Dec 10, 2024 Board of Supervisors Regular Meeting

OH, SUPERVISOR PE.

OH, I FORGOT TO MENTION, PLEASE FORGIVE ME.

SUPERVISOR PEKA.

SUPERVISOR PEKA IS WITH US, BUT VIRTUALLY ONLINE.

AND I THINK WE JUST HEARD HIM SECOND.

IS THAT CORRECT? THANK YOU.

AND SORRY FOR NOT RECOGNIZING YOU SOONER.

SUPERVISOR .

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, NAVAJO COUNTY JAIL DISTRICT.

THE CONSENT AGENDA HAS BEEN APPROVED.

[a. CONSENT AGENDA: The following item(s) are considered to be of a routine or administrative in nature and will be approved as a group unless a member of the Board wishes to discuss a particular item: ]

WE'LL NEED A MOTION TO MOVE INTO THE NAVAJO COUNTY JAIL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTOR SESSION.

UM, WE ARE NOW IN NAVAJO COUNTY JAIL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS SESSION.

WE HAVE BEFORE US A CONSENT AGENDA FOR OUR APPROVAL.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? MOTION THERE? NONE.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL TO HEAR MOTION VICE CHAIR MOTIONS FOR APPROVAL.

I SECOND IT.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR VOTE.

INTO THE NAVAJO COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTOR SESSION.

WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO LEAVE THE NAVAJO COUNTY.

SO MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, OR WE WILL HERE SHORTLY.

WE NEED A MOTION TO LEAVE THE NAVAJO COUNTY JAIL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTOR SESSION AND ENTER

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SO MOVE, I'LL GET WE HAVE MOTION A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR VOTE.

WE ARE NOW IN THE NAVAJO COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS SESSION.

HEARING NONE.

THE AYES HAVE IT.

[1. CONSENT AGENDA: The following item(s) are considered to be of a routine or administrative in nature and will be approved as a group unless a member of the Board wishes to discuss a particular item: ]

WE HAVE BEFORE US THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I HEARING NONE.

CHAIR TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

CHAIRMAN, I MOTION FOR APPROVAL ON THE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? I HEARING NONE.

CONSENT AGENDA HAS BEEN APPROVED.

WE NEED A MOTION TO RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION.

SO MOVED.

WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO RETURN TO RAIDER SESSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF VOTE? AYE.

EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION PRESENTATION FOR NAV.

AND NONE.

THE AYES

[a. Presentation: Navajo County recognizes the following employees for their excellence in personal performance, far exceeding organization expectations for the month of November: Julius Ohlson (Facilities Management) and Brandon Andrews (Public Works)]

HAVE IT.

WE NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THE AGENDA.

NAVILLE COUNTY RECOGNIZES THE FOLLOWING EMPLOYEES FOR THEIR EXCELLENCE AND PERFORMANCE, FAR EXCEEDING ORGANIZATIONAL EXPECTATIONS FOR THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER.

JULIUS OLSON AND BRANDON ANDREWS.

LEAH, I PROBABLY DIDN'T SAY THAT NAME RIGHT.

WELL, YOU DID IT AS WELL AS I COULD.

GOOD MORNING.

UH, CHAIRMAN AND BOARD.

I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE, UM, TWO OUTSTANDING EMPLOYEES FOR THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER.

THE FIRST ONE WILL BE JULIUS OLSON IF YOU SAID, COME UP.

HE CONSISTENTLY STRIVES TO IMPROVE THINGS.

FIRST TO LEAVE ANYWHERE YOU WANT UP THERE.

AND NEXT IS BRANDON ANDREWS FROM PUBLIC WORKS.

BRANDON HERE.

I GUESS NOT.

UM, HOPE I DO THIS RIGHT.

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS, BUT WE DO HAVE A POWERPOINT FOR YOU.

OH, I GUESS I'M TALKING.

SO JULIUS OSEN, UM, WAS NOMINATED ANOM.

ANOMALOUSLY.

THERE YOU GO.

UM, UH, WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY ABOUT HIM WAS, I ALWAYS SEE HIM WORKING ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS WITH ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE MAINTENANCE CREW, AND THEY SEEM TO SHOW OTHERS WHAT HE KNOWS AND IS WILLING TO LEARN FROM OTHERS AS WELL.

CREATING A TEAM THAT IS COHESIVE AND CAN WORK TOGETHER ON ANYTHING.

ACCOUNTABILITY.

HE TAKES A LOT OF PRIDE IN HIS WORK, AND I HAVE HEARD HIM SAY A FEW ON A FEW OCCASIONS THAT IT BOTHERS HIM WHEN OTHERS TAKE SHORTCUTS BECAUSE IT COMPROMISES THE INTEGRITY OF THE WORK.

INTEGRITY.

I DO NOT SEE HIM BEING FOLLOWED BY OR WATCHED BY A SUPERVISOR, WHICH IS ME.

MEANS THAT HE IS TRUSTED, THAT HE CAN BE RELIED ON AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT WHEN NOBODY IS LOOKING TO ME.

IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT AN EMPLOYEE'S INTEGRITY TO HAVE SUCH FREE REIGN FROM YOUR BOSS.

EXCELLENT.

HE IS ALWAYS WILLING AND TO HELP WIN THE JOB WITH THE JOB AT HAND THAT NONE OF US WANT TO DO.

HE OFTEN GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND AND STAYS PAST REGULAR WORK HOURS TO FINISH THE TASK HE IS WORKING ON RATHER THAN LEAVING IT TO THE NEXT PERSON.

INNOVATION.

HE IS A REAL PROBLEM SOLVER WHEN IT COMES TO PROJECTS.

HE AND IS VERY COUNTY BUDGET FRIENDLY WITH HIS THRIFTINESS AND RESOURCEFULNESS TO PROPOSE THINGS.

GOOD JOB.

BRANDON ANDREWS WAS, UH, NOMINATED BY CRYSTAL CASTILLO.

UM, BRANDON IS THE ESSENCE OF A TEAM PLAYER.

IN EVERY INTERACTION I'VE HAD WITH HIM,

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HE POSSESSES A KEEN EYE FOR DETAIL AND READILY OFFERS ASSISTANCE WITHOUT NEEDING TO BE PROMPTED.

REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, I AM CONFIDENT THAT HE WILL STEP IN AND LEAD LINDA HAND WHENEVER ASKED BRANDON.

ACCOUNTABILITY, UH, BRANDON MAINTAINS A STRONG SENSE OF COUNT ACCOUNTABILITY, ENSURING THAT EVERY TASK IS COMPLETED ACCURATELY AND TO PERFECTION REGARDLESS OF ITS NATURE.

INTEGRITY.

BRANDON DE DEMONSTRATES INTEGRITY THROUGH HIS RESPECT OF OTHERS, SINCERE CONCERN FOR THEIR WELLBEING.

AND BY KEEPING HIS COMMITMENTS EXCELLENCE, BRANDON EXCELS IN EVERY TASK THAT HE UNDERTAKES.

FOR INSTANCE, AT THE BOARD, AT THE BROADBAND BREAKING, BREAKING CEREMONY, HE ARRIVED AT THE FAIRGROUNDS READY TO ASSIST.

HE STEAMED TABLECLOTHS AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE DECORATIONS OF THE VENUE.

HE CLEANED TABLES AND CHAIRS, ARRANGING THEM METICULOUSLY.

ADDITIONALLY, HE HELPED TRANSPORT ICE AND TROUBLESHOOT THE SOUND SYSTEM.

HIS BEHIND THE SCENES CONTRIBUTION PLAYED A VITAL ROLE IN THE SUCCESS OF THE BROADBAND BREAKING CEREMONY.

INNOVATION.

BRANDON IS A VALUABLE ASSET TO THE COUNTY IN EVERYTHING HE UNDERTAKES.

I CAN SAY FOR CERTAIN THAT HE IS CONSISTENTLY LEADING A LENDING, A HELPING HAND TO OTHERS IN VARIOUS WAYS FOR BRANDON ANDREWS.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? I HAVE A COMMENT.

GO AHEAD.

VICE CHAIR.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

UM, I'VE WORKED WITH BRANDON, UM, MANY A TIMES BECAUSE I DRIVE A COUNTY VEHICLE.

SO, UM, HE ALWAYS GIVES ME GUIDANCE AND, UM, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, WAYS THAT I CAN DO CERTAIN THINGS AND, UM, AND REMINDS ME OF TIMES THAT I NEED TO BRING MY VEHICLE IN.

AND HE SPEAKS WITH THE MECHANIC TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, UM, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT A MECHANIC, I HEAR THINGS SO .

SO, SO I LET 'EM KNOW AND THEY SEARCH IT OUT AND THEY USUALLY FIND, UM, WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE HIM FOR BEING, UM, THE GO IN BETWEEN, UM, THE FRONT DESK AND, AND THE BACK MECHANIC AREA.

UH, OVER, ACROSS THE WAY AT, UM, PUBLIC WORKS.

UH, I JUST TOOK A TRIP TO CALIFORNIA FOR A CONFERENCE AND HE DID ON, ON THE DAY THAT I WANTED MY VEHICLE TO HAVE A SAFETY CHECK OFFERED TO, UM, HAVE ME TAKE A, A DIFFERENT VEHICLE SO THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH MY, UM, REGULAR VEHICLE.

SO I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE HIM, UM, IN DOING THOSE THINGS AND HELPING OUT IN ANY WAY HE DOES.

AS DOES, UM, WHAT CRYSTAL DID, UM, SHARE WITH THE WRITEUP.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND FOR THE OTHER GENTLEMAN AS WELL, UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF THE TEAM AND, UM, MAKING, UM, NAVAJO COUNTY A GREAT PLACE TO WORK.

MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

VICE CHAIR.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY, HEARING NONE.

UM, WE'LL

[a. Recognition and Presentation to our outgoing elected officials]

EXCUSE ME, ALL IF YOU WANNA COME UP, THAT'D BE GREAT.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE BEFORE US HERE TODAY, BOARD JUDGE, UH, DELL NELSON, AND WE HAVE MIKE SAMPLE, UM, WHO BOTH WILL BE, UM, WE WANNA HONOR THEM TODAY AS THEY GO ON TO THE NEXT PHASE OF THEIR LIFE.

THEY BOTH HAVE BEEN IN PUBLIC SERVICE.

UH, JUDGE NELSON HAS, UH, SERVED AS THE PRESIDING JUDGE.

HE SERVED AS THE JUDGE FOR THE DRUG COURT, THE VETERANS COURT, AND HAS SERVED IN SEVERAL COMMUNITIES, UM, THROUGH VARIOUS DIFFERENT CAPACITIES.

UM, MIKE SAMPLE HAS SERVED MOST RECENTLY AS THE, UH, RECORDER, THE COUNTY RECORDER, BUT PREVIOUS TO

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THAT, SERVED IN THE OFFICE OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT, UM, SERVED AS PRESIDENT OF THE NAVAJO COUNTY FAIR BOARD.

UM, BUT BOTH OF 'EM WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THEM TODAY AS THEY GO TO THIS NEXT PHASE OF LIFE AND HONOR THEM FOR THEIR PUBLIC, UH, SERVICE.

UM, ALBERT EINSTEIN SAID, ONLY A LIFE LIVED FOR OTHERS IS A LIFE WORTHWHILE.

AND OUR SAVIOR SAID, UM, WHEN YOU'RE IN THE SERVICE OF YOUR FELLOW BEINGS, YOU'RE IN THEIR SERVICE OF YOUR GOD.

AND THESE TWO GENTLEMEN HAVE ABSOLUTELY GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO SERVE THE PEOPLE THAT THEY REPRESENT, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT THEY ARE ENTRUSTED IN THEIR CARE, CUSTODY AND CONTROL.

UM, THEY'VE BEEN GOOD LEADERS, THEY'VE BEEN OUTSTANDING COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND IT'S AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THEM TODAY.

WHAT I THOUGHT WE COULD DO IS GIVE THEM EACH A CHANCE JUST TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE.

AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE FINISHED WITH THEIR COMMENTS, WE HAVE TWO PENDLETON BLANKETS, UM, THAT WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO THEM.

UM, AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD DO IS WE PRESENT IT UP HERE, WE'LL DO THE PICTURE, WE'LL PRESENT IT TO 'EM, WE'LL PLACE IT OVER THEIR RIGHT SHOULDER AS IS APPROPRIATE.

UM, THE MEANING OF THE PEN AND BLANKETS IS BESTOWING, UH, PROTECTION, COMFORT, INSECURITY AS THEY GO ONTO THIS NEXT PHASE OF LIFE.

AND SO THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL BLANKETS.

WE'LL SHOW 'EM UP HERE, BUT THOUGHT WE'D GIVE YOU EACH AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF JUST SAY A FEW WORDS AND THEN WE WILL TAKE A PICTURE UP THERE AND GIVE YOU YOUR BLANKETS.

WOULD THAT BE ALL RIGHT? WE CAN.

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

UM, LOOKING UP THERE AT THOSE PICTURES, AND I GO WAY BACK WITH THOSE SUPERVISORS BACK IN 1985 IS WHEN I FIRST STARTED WITH THE COUNTY.

UH, ALWAYS BEEN GRATEFUL FOR THE BOARD, FOR THE SUPPORT YOU'VE SHOWN THE COURT SYSTEM ALWAYS, UH, BEEN WILLING TO HELP US TRY TO GET THROUGH WITH SOME OF OUR ISSUES.

SO I REALLY, I WANT TO APPRECIATE OR THANK YOU EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO THE BOARD AND I GO BACK TO ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, UM, THAT WERE HERE ALL THOSE YEARS.

UM, I HAVE APPRECIATED VERY MUCH THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SERVE IN THE COUNTY, BOTH AS A JUDGE, AS A PROSECUTOR, AS A DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AS A PROBATION OFFICER.

I'VE DONE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING.

BUT, UH, I'VE WORKED WITH SOME WONDERFUL PEOPLE.

I WORK WITH WONDERFUL PEOPLE.

TODAY.

WE HAVE AN OUTSTANDING JUDICIARY.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW GOING FORWARD THAT WE WOULD HAVE OUTSTANDING JUDGES ADMINISTRATION.

WE HAVE CLERK'S OFFICE THAT'S DOING GREAT WORK.

AND SO PROBATION OFFICE THAT'S FUNCTIONING REALLY WELL.

SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW GOING FORWARD, UH, WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD TEAM IN THE JUDICIARY THAT I, I BELIEVE WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS WELL.

BUT THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

GOOD MORNING BOARD MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

THANK YOU FOR THIS HONOR.

IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE AND AN HONOR BEING ABLE TO WORK FOR NAVAJO COUNTY AND SERVE THE CONSTITUENTS, UM, IN THE RECORDER'S OFFICE FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, AND ALSO IN THE CLERK OF THE COURT'S OFFICE FOR 10 YEARS PRIOR TO THAT.

UM, IT'S, I, YOU PROBABLY HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, BUT, BUT MY FIRST PROFESSIONAL JOB OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL WAS IN THE RECORDER'S OFFICE JUST A FEW YEARS AGO, NOT THAT LONG AGO, BUT .

UM, SO IT WAS AN HONOR BEING ABLE TO GO BACK AND, AND WORK IN THE RECORDER'S OFFICE.

IT'S SAD TO LEAVE.

IT'S KIND OF HEARTBREAKING.

UH, WE HAVE A WONDERFUL AND AMAZING STAFF THERE AND THEY'RE SURELY GONNA BE MISSED.

I'M GONNA MISS 'EM VERY, VERY MUCH.

AND I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE TO MAKE THE RECORDER'S OFFICE A GREAT SUCCESS.

AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH YOU AND THE, UM, OTHER DEPARTMENTS, MELISSA AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND HER STAFF, AS WELL AS WORKING WITH THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AND ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT.

WE ALL WORK AS A GREAT TEAM, AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR THE, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THAT I HAD TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THE CONSTITUENTS AND EVERYBODY IN NAVAJO COUNTY.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THIS JUSTICE SYSTEM BECAUSE YOU PROVE THAT IT DOES WORK.

DOES ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WISH TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE WE COME UP INTO OUR PICTURE? SUPERVISORS, HEY, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK EACH OF THESE MEN IN THEIR SERVICE THAT THEY'VE GIVEN TO NAVAJO COUNTY AND THEY WILL BE MISSED.

AND I THINK IT'S INVALUABLE TO REPLACE GREAT STARS AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A HALL OF FAME, YOU'D BOTH BE IN IT.

AND SO IT'S JUST, UH, A WONDERFUL TO BE ABLE TO HAVE KNOWN EACH OF YOU, SOME OF YOU ON A PERSONAL BASIS, SOME OF YOU, UH, IN A DIFFERENT BASIS.

BUT MICHAEL, YOU'VE DONE SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB JUST WITH YOUR JOB, BUT ALSO WITH THE FAIR.

AND I HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO WORK SOME SORT IN THAT CAPACITY GOING FORWARD.

BUT IT'S BEEN THERE.

AND JUDGE, THANK YOU FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE IN

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YOU PROVE THAT WE CAN CHANGE PEOPLE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO HELP THOSE ALONG THE WAY.

BE BETTER.

AND SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, SUPERVISOR WEINGER.

HE'S CONTRIBUTED TO COMMUNITIES.

UM, I SAYING THANK YOU SEEMS SO SMALL.

I MEAN, YOU'VE CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH TO OUR COMMUNITIES AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES AND THE ORGANIZATION AND BEING ABLE TO BE AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S RESPECTED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

AND I'M SO GRATEFUL.

I KNOW THAT, UM, JUDGE NIELSEN, WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME TOGETHER, BUT MY SON IS PROBABLY ONE OF YOUR NUMBER ONE FANS.

AND SO FOR ME THAT SAYS A LOT.

AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE TAKEN TO, UM, SPEND TIME WITH HIM AND JUDGE HIGGINS AND KIND OF, UM, JUST ENCOURAGING HIM, UM, THAT KIND OF SPEAKS TO JUDGE AND HIS WORK AND OUR COMMUNITY AND BEING ABLE JUST TO BE MINDFUL OF PEOPLE AND BEING GENEROUS WITH YOUR TIME.

I AM GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY IN YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE THAT YOU HAVE SERVED IN GREAT WAYS AND, UM, YOU WILL BE MISSED HERE.

AND, UM, THE LEADERSHIP IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND I THINK THAT WE'VE ALL FELT THAT LEADERSHIP AND IT'S BEEN, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE RELIED ON FOR OUR COURT SYSTEM.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP THERE, MIKE.

IT'S, UM, MIKE IS REALLY, UM, HE'S ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE ADMIRED HERE.

I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR HIS EXAMPLE AND I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ON SOME OF THOSE TRAITS ONE DAY AS, UM, MIKE IS NOT ONLY JUST THE COUNTY RECORDER, BUT HE HAS, UM, CONTRIBUTED TO OUR ORGANIZATION.

UM, HE'S WORKED ON THE NAVAJO COUNTY FAIR FOR NUMEROUS YEARS.

UM, AND REALLY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT SERVICE.

IT'S ABOUT, UM, MAKING SURE THAT YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF THE FAIR, TO BE ABLE TO, UM, SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND, UM, THE LAST TIME WE, WE WERE ABLE TO DRESS A COW, SO WE'RE ADDRESS A CALF.

WE RAN AROUND A RODEO GROUND AND, UM, DRESSED A CALF.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S MEMORABLE.

BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU, MIKE.

UM, YOU HAVE BEEN REALLY A TRUE EXAMPLE OF LEADERSHIP TO ME AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR NAVAJO COUNTY.

THANK YOU, UM, TO BOTH OF YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION, SERVICE TO THE COUNTY AS WELL AS YOUR LEADERSHIP.

IT MEANS A LOT TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE, UM, SURROUNDING YOU AND THOSE WHO HAVE SUPPORT YOU ALONG THE WAY, AS WE HAVE.

AND THANK YOU THAT YOU'VE GIVEN THIS TIME TO THE PEOPLE, TO YOUR PEOPLE.

AND, AND I DON FAYE JUST REMINDED ME OF DRESSING THE CALF.

I WAS LIKE THE LAST ONE RUNNING AROUND TRYING TO HELP OUT WITH THAT CALF.

I DON'T THINK I HELPED OUT, BUT I WAS MORE HINDRANCE THAN, UH, HELPING OUT THAT DAY WHEN WE DRESSED THE CALF.

HOWEVER, UM, MIKE DID TRAVEL THE SAME OR BUMPY DIRT ROADS.

UM, THANK YOU, UM, FOR GOING OUT TO, UM, THE NATIVE LANDS TO, UM, HELP OUT WITH, UM, ELECTIONS AND, UM, TRYING TO FIX, UH, SOME OF THE PRECINCT VOTERS, UM, INFORMATION.

REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

AND JUST COMING OUT TO KETA, UM, ALL THE WAY UP THERE, UH, TO BE PART OF EVENTS THAT WE HAVE HAD.

AND I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, BOTH OF YOU FOR, FOR THE SERVICE THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED TO THE PEOPLE.

AGAIN, THANK YOU.

IF YOU BOTH WILL COME UP, WE'RE GONNA DO A PICTURE HERE IN THE COUNTY STILL.

CONGRATULATIONS.

THE RIGHT SHOULDER, RIGHT?

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1, 2, 3.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.

MIKE.

IF YOU WANT THE BOX, YOU MAY WANT TO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO.

THAT'S UP HERE.

ALRIGHT,

[a. Recognition and Presentation to the Honorable Dale Nielson, Navajo County Superior Court Presiding Judge, on his retirement. ]

WE'RE GONNA TURN THE TIME OVER TO ERIC.

UM, ERIC'S GONNA HAVE A CHANCE RECOGNITION AND PRESENTATION TO THE HONORABLE, UM, DALE NELSON, AL COUNTY PRESIDING, UH, JUDGE ON HIS RETIREMENT.

SO THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD JUST WANT TO ECHO THE THOUGHTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHARED ABOUT JUDGE NIELSEN AND INVITE JUDGE RIGGLE UP TO, TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

JUDGE NIELSEN IS A GREAT, GREAT PUBLIC SERVANT THAT HAS SERVED FOR YEARS FOR THE RESIDENTS OF NAVAJO COUNTY.

ONE OF THE, WE, WE ALL GET TO MAKE AN IMPACT IN OUR LIVES IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND ONE OF THE GREATEST WAYS WE CAN DO THAT IS THROUGH OUR, OUR CHILDREN AND HR HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE JUDGE NIELSEN'S SON JEN'S WORK IN HR FOR A WHILE.

AND JEN'S WAS A, A VERY UPSTANDING MAN.

AND I'VE SEEN THE SAME THING FROM JUDGE NIELSEN AS WELL.

VERY KIND BEING A JUDGE HAS GOTTA BE A DIFFICULT POSITION TO BE IN.

AND HE, HE'S ALWAYS ONE OF THE MOST KIND PEOPLE I'VE DEALT WITH.

SO APPRECIATE HIS SERVICE.

WANT TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUDGE RICKER TO SAY A FEW WORDS AS WELL.

ETHICAL, COMPASSIONATE, CONSIDERATE, HUMBLE, FAIR-MINDED, COURTEOUS, CLEVER, RESERVED, INTUITIVE, AMICABLE, INTELLIGENT, CONSIDERATE, QUIET,

AN ATTORNEY IN A FEW WORDS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA START BY, UM, GIVING A QUOTE FROM SOCRATES.

UM, AND HE SAID, FOUR THINGS BELONG TO, UH, BELONG TO A JUDGE, TO HEAR COURTEOUSLY, TO ANSWER WISELY, TO CONSIDER SOBERLY AND TO DECIDE IMPARTIALLY.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, IF I COULD BE SO BOLD AS TO ADD TO SOCRATES, UM, TO CARE DEEPLY FOR BOTH PEOPLE AND JUSTICE.

DALE NIELSEN WAS BORN IN WINSLOW.

HE SPENT HIS EARLY YEARS RESIDING IN THE HOPI AND, UH, NAVAJO NATIONS.

AT THE AGE OF FIVE, HE BEGAN LIVING HERE IN HOLBROOK.

HE ATTENDED BYU FOR HIS UNDERGRADUATE, UH, CAME BACK TO HIS ROOTS, UM, AS A PROBATION OFFICER, THEN WENT TO LAW SCHOOL AT CREIGHTON UNIVERSITY AND U OF A.

HE THEN AGAIN, RETURNED TO HIS ROOTS IN NAVAJO COUNTY WHERE HE STARTED SERVING AGAIN.

START, BEGAN SERVING THE PEOPLE FOR 36 YEARS AS A DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY, LEGAL DEFENDER, PRIVATE ATTORNEY AND JUDGE.

HE'S ALSO THE CURRENT PRESIDING JUDGE.

HE MET AND MARRIED HIS WONDERFUL WIFE, GIGI, WHO'S SEATED HERE WITH HIM AND RAISED WONDERFUL CHILDREN HERE IN NAVAJO COUNTY, MANY OF WHICH HAVE GONE ON TO ALSO DO PUBLIC SERVICE.

DURING HIS TIME, HE HAS DEDICATED HIMSELF TO HELPING OTHERS, IMPROVING THE COURT SYSTEM, BOTH LOCALLY AND STATEWIDE.

HE HAS FOUND WAYS TO MAKE COURTS MORE EFFICIENT AND TO SAVE RESOURCES.

HE LEADS BY EXAMPLE.

I BELIEVE THAT TO UNDERSTAND A PERSON, UM, YOU ASK OTHERS HOW TO DESCRIBE HIM.

SO I DID THAT.

AND HERE ARE SOME OF THE, UM, WORDS THAT WERE USED TO DESCRIBE HIM.

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SERIOUS, BUT SMILING, FUNNY, SOFT-SPOKEN, AWESOME, WISE, EFFICIENT, COMPASSIONATE, SMART, KNOWLEDGEABLE, HARDWORKING, LOYAL, DEDICATED TO BOTH THE COURTS AND THE, AND THE COUNTY.

HE'S A MASTER MEDIATOR.

STRONG-WILLED WHEN NEEDED, AND COMPASSIONATE WHEN WARRANTED.

AND THEN ON A MORE PERSONAL NOTE, UM, SOME PEOPLE MENTION LOVER OF SALT WATER, TAFFY AND OCCASIONALLY FEISTY .

SO I ALSO WANT TO ADD A NOTE FROM HIS STAFF.

UM, THEY, THEY ASKED ME TO READ THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO MISS HIM TOO MUCH TO DO IT THEMSELVES, BUT THIS IS FROM KAITLYN AND KELLY, WHO ARE HIS JUDICIAL ASSISTANT AND HIS COURT REPORTER.

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR MANY YEARS OF DEDICATION TO THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

YOUR CALM ENERGY AND THOUGHTFUL NATURE HAVE MADE YOU AN IRREPLACEABLE ASSET TO NAVAJO COUNTY.

WE CONSIDER OURSELVES MORE THAN LUCKY TO HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE YOU DURING A PIECE OF YOUR TIME HERE AND ARE VERY GRATEFUL TO CONSIDER YOU AS EVEN MORE THAN JUST OUR BOSS.

CONGRATULATIONS FROM KAITLYN KELLY.

IF YOU ADD ALL THE WORDS THAT PEOPLE HAVE USED TO DESCRIBE JUDGE NIELSEN, YOU FIND THE MAKINGS OF A GREAT JUDGE, PUBLIC SERVANT, HUSBAND, FATHER, AND HUMAN BEING.

HE TRULY EMBODIES ALL SOCRATES WORDS FOR WHAT A JUDGE SHOULD BE.

WHETHER HE IS ON A PERSONAL NOTE, HE HAS BEEN BOTH AN INSPIRATION LEADER AND FRIEND.

AND I WILL MISS HIM GREATLY.

AND I'VE SAID THIS TO HIM BEFORE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF HE REMEMBERS.

BUT THE SIMPLE FACT IS WHETHER HE'S ON THE BENCH OR NOT, WHETHER HE IS A PUBLIC SERVANT OR NOT, HE IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE HONORABLE DALE NIELSEN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND WHAT AN HONOR.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? PROBABLY.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

I JUST WANNA ADD THAT THANK YOU, UM, FOR YOUR SERVICE, NOT ONLY TO THE NAVAJO COUNTY, BUT ALSO THE HOPI AND NAVAJO NATION.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT.

REALLY, REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

THANK YOU VICE CHAIR.

ALL RIGHT.

WANT TO THANK THEM BOTH, BUT THANK JUDGE NELSON.

AND THEN ALSO THANK MIKE.

UM, SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL HEAR, YOU HEARD ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES EARLIER.

YOU HEARD ABOUT THESE TWO LEADERS AND THESE WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PEOPLE RECOGNIZED HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE IS WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT LOOK AT WHAT DOES THE JOB ASKED FOR AND HOW DO I GET IT DONE.

AT A MINIMUM, THEY LOOK FOR WAYS TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO SERVE THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'VE BEEN ENTRUSTED.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I APPRECIATE YOUR EXAMPLES, I APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP AND APPRECIATE THE INFLUENCE THAT YOU'VE HAD ON THOSE THAT YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO SERVE, UM, AND WORK WITH.

SO THANK YOU SINCERELY, FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEART.

LET'S GIVE HIM A HAND HERE REAL QUICK AND THEN WE'LL LET HIM, YOU'RE SURE.

WELCOME TO STAY IF YOU'D LIKE TO, BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND YOU MAY HAVE OTHER THINGS YOU NEED TO GET TO.

SO , THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

TO ITEM SIX C, PERSONNEL SERVICE AWARDS.

IS IT APPROPRIATE TO SAY THERE GOES THE JUDGE.

ITEM B SIX B HAS BEEN TABLED.

WE'LL MOVE

[c. Personnel Service Awards: Congratulations to the following employees for their continued service to Navajo County: Clark Edwards (Superior Court) 5 years; Jeremy Young (Planning and Zoning) 5 years; Donald Plunkett (Clerk of Superior Court) 5 years; Natalie Johnson (Jail Operations) 5 years; Jerald Whipple (Public Works) 5 years; Sonni Maestas (Clerk of Superior Court) 5 years; Randy McNeil (Public Works) 5 years; Robin Tutterrow-Wong (Probation) 5 years; Daryl Seymore (BOS/Administration) 5 years; Tiffany Hendrickson-Mellor (Superior Court) 5 years; Brooke Richards (County Attorney) 5 years; Leah Thomas (BOS/Administration) 10 years; Robert Ober (Public Works) 10 years; Bogusz Zajac (Sheriff) 10 years; Tonlynn Wiles (Jail Operations) 10 years; Rae Lynn Atencio (Show Low Justice Court) 10 years; Jason Whiting (BOS/Administration) 10 years; and Rhonda Hatch (Assessor) 20 years.]

UH, WE WILL TURN THE TIME OVER TO ERIC SCOTT.

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

THIS MORNING WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE A NUMBER OF OUR EMPLOYEES FOR THEIR YEARS OF SERVICE TO COUNTY.

WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY EARLIER TO, TO HAVE A LITTLE GET TOGETHER AND, AND RECOGNIZE THOSE EMPLOYEES FOR THEIR YEARS OF SERVICE.

THEY GOT TO EACH PICK A, A GIFT BASKET, UH, GRAB A SPECIAL CUPCAKE.

AND IT'S JUST A SMALL TOKEN OF OUR APPRECIATION FOR THE SERVICE THAT THEY RENDER TO THE, THE RESIDENTS OF NAVAJO COUNTY.

SO MANY OF THEM ARE HERE THIS MORNING.

AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE CALL YOUR NAME, IF YOU COULD COME ON UP, WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR, YOUR SIGN AND A SHIRT AND THEN WE'LL GET A PICTURE AS WELL.

SO FIRST WE

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HAVE CLARK EDWARDS.

CLARK CLARK IS WITH THE SUPERIOR COURT AND BEEN WITH NAVAJO COUNTY FOR FIVE YEARS.

NEXT WE HAVE JEREMY YOUNG WITH PLANNING AND ZONING.

I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S HERE THIS MORNING.

DONALD PLUNKETT WITH THE CLERK OF SUPERIOR COURT.

NATALIE JOHNSON IN THE JAIL.

GERALD WHIPPLE WITH PUBLIC WORKS, BEEN WITH NAVAJO COUNTY FOR FIVE YEARS AS WELL.

SONNY MEUS WITH THE CLERK OF THIS SUPERIOR COURT.

UH, RANDY MCNEIL WITH PUBLIC WORKS.

RANDY ALSO BEEN WITH NAVAJO COUNTY FOR FIVE YEARS.

ROBIN WONG WITH PROBATION, ALSO BEEN WITH NAVAJO COUNTY FIVE YEARS.

SO SUPERVISOR DARRELL SEYMOUR CELEBRATING FIVE YEARS AS WELL.

CHAIR BEFORE YOU.

TIFFANY HENDRICKSON MILLER TIFFANY'S WITH THE SUPERIOR COURT AND ALSO BEEN WITH NAVILLE COUNTY FIVE YEARS.

BROOKE RICHARDS IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OFFICE, ALSO BEEN WITH US FIVE YEARS.

LEAH THOMAS.

BEEN WITH NAVAJO COUNTY 10 YEARS IN ADMINISTRATION.

WHERE IS LEAH? WE KNOW SHE'S HERE SOMEWHERE.

GIVE HER A HAND.

LET'S GIVE HER A HAND.

BOB OBER WITH PUBLIC WORKS.

BEEN WITH NAVAJO COUNTY 10 YEARS.

BOB, DID YOU MAKE US, IS THIS THE SIGN MAKER? YES.

YES.

BOB MAKES ALL THE, THE SIGNS FOR US.

SO WE GOTTA MAKE IT GOING.

BOGO JACK, I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S HERE.

UH, THIS MORNING.

HE'S IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

BEEN WITH US 10 YEARS.

TOMLIN WILES IN THE JAIL.

TOMLIN.

AND SHE'S BEEN WITH US FOR 10 YEARS.

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RAY ATENCIO.

KNOW RAY'S HERE.

SHE WORKS IN THE SHOW, JUSTICE COURT AND BEEN WITH NAVAJO COUNTY FOR 10 YEARS AS WELL.

AND THEN CHAIRMAN JASON WHITING ON UP.

AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE HAVE RHONDA HATCH IN THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE WHO'S BEEN WITH NAMO COUNTY FOR 20 YEARS.

AND ACTUALLY THAT'S, SHE'S ACTUALLY BEEN WITH NAVAJO COUNTY FOR, FOR LONGER THAN 20 YEARS.

HE SAID ALMOST 30.

BUT THERE WAS A, A, A YEAH, .

AND THEN IF WE COULD GET ALL THOSE WITH HER SIGNS TO COME ON UP TO THE, THE FRONT AND WE'LL GET A, A GROUP PHOTO WITH THE BOARD.

GOOD MORNING.

YEAH, WE NEED INSTRUCTIONS.

YES, .

WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE BOTH.

UM, WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME UP HERE AND SOME DOWN HERE.

SO IF WE COULD SPLIT AND HAVE EMPLOYEES AND SUPERVISORS, HALF OF THE SUPERVISORS HAVE AND BALANCE IT OUT.

WE HAVE UM, SUPERVISOR AL YOU CAN COME DOWN HERE AND WE'LL HAVE, UM, SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR AND WEISINGER STAY UP AND CHAIRMAN AND SUPERVISOR.

, YOU WANT ME ALL THIS? YEAH.

OH, LOOK AT YOU.

JUST FOR THE PICTURE.

YOU'RE AWESOME.

I GOT THAT RIGHT NOW.

I SENT PEOPLE, LET ME WALK AROUND MY NOSE.

SO WHAT, WHERE DO YOU NEED US TO BE INSIDE OF? CAN YOU GUYS COME UP THIS WAY? YEAH.

DO WE NEED TO SCOOT TWO OF THE SIGNS UP? UM, YES.

MOVING THIS WAY.

I KIND OF LIKE HOW TO DO SCOOT OUT OF THE PICTURE.

SO WHY DON'T WE SCOOT DOWN THIS WAY EVERYBODY JUST A LITTLE BIT.

IF WE COULD HAVE LIKE THIS CR LINE BE ON THIS SIDE OR BARRIER.

YEAH, I CAN SCOOT.

AND IF YOU GUYS ALL TURN THAT WAY, THEN LET YOU IN.

DO WE SEE LONGEVITY, WE SEE SONS DOING WHAT THEIR FATHERS DID AS WELL.

AND JUST TURN TO THIS SLIDE.

THERE IT GOES.

LEMME BACK UP.

THERE IS NO WAY.

WE'RE GONNA PUT EVERYBODY UP.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE.

NOW WE GOTTA HAVE A THUMB PICTURE.

THE FRONT ROW CAN'T BE AS ENTHUSIASTIC AS YOU CAN'T SEE .

YOU KNOW, IF I COULD JUST MAKE A COMMENT REAL QUICK WHILE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, BUT IT'S INTERESTING.

AND GERALD, I WANT YOU TO JUST WHIP WE'LL JUST HANG ON A MINUTE.

IT'S INTERESTING WHEN WE SEE LONGEVITY, BUT NOT ONLY

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WINKY WHIPPLE WAS MY UNCLE AND HE IS ON A BLADE MOST OF LIFE.

HE KNEW EVERYBODY PERSONALLY STOPPED.

HE WOULD DO THINGS THAT YOU GUYS CAN'T DO NOWADAYS, BUT HE, HE WAS THERE AND IT'S NEAT TO SEE A TRADITION FOLLOWED FROM HIS SON TO HIS FATHER.

SO I THINK IT'S JUST GREAT TO SEE AND THAT'S NAVAJO COUNTY OPPORTUNITIES TO GROW AND TO LEARN AND TO DO SO.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON ON THE AGENDA.

APPRECIATE IT.

I, I APPRECIATE SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU A LITTLE FUNNY THING ON HIM AS WE GROWED UP.

HIS PARENTS HAD A ROOM ABOUT THIS SIZE AND WE USED TO PLAY TACKLE FOOTBALL, BUT YOU COULDN'T GET OFF YOUR KNEES IN A ROOM LIKE THIS WITH ABOUT 20 COUSINS GROWING UP, BUT IT WAS NEAT AND FUN.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

NAVAJO COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTOR SESSION CHAIR WOULD NEED A MOTION TO ENTER INTO THE NAVAJO COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE DISTRICT CHAIR SOLE MOVE.

I SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND.

NONE.

THE AYES HAVE IT.

WE NOW WE'RE IN ITEM SEVEN.

WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA BEFORE US.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? AND IF NOT, CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

CHAIRMAN I MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE NAVAJO COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES DISTRICT.

PERFECT.

SECOND, WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? VOTE.

SO WE HAVE ITEM B, UM, PRESENTATION RECOGNIZING THE 2024 PUBLIC HEALTH EMPLOYEE OF THE YEAR.

MOTION IS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY WE'LL NEED A MOTION TO RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION.

THERE'S ONE MORE ITEM ON THAT.

YEAH, THERE IS.

SORRY.

UH,

[1. Presentation recognizing the 2024 Public Health Employee of the Year, Cheryl Waters.]

CHERYL, CHERYL HERE.

WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR FOR SEEING THAT.

GOOD MORNING CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

UM, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE BEFORE YOU TODAY.

IN OUR DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH, WE CHOOSE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE YEAR AND, UM, WE LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THEM BEFORE THE BOARD SO PEOPLE, UM, KNOW THE GREAT THINGS THEY DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, OUR EMPLOYEE FOR 2024, CHERYL WATERS, SHE'S AN ACCOUNT SPECIALIST IN PUBLIC HEALTH.

AND, UM, SHE WAS SELECTED, UH, FOR HER EXEMPLARY TEAMWORK, LEADERSHIP, EXTRAORDINARY PERFORMANCE, AND THEN UNWAVERING POSITIVE ATTITUDE.

UM, SHE IS AN EMPLOYEE WHO GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND, UM, EXPECTATIONS OF HER POSITION CONSISTENTLY.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT SHE ELEVATES THE SUCCESS OF OUR DEPARTMENT, OUR COMMUNITY, AND HER TEAM.

UM, INSPIRING THOSE AROUND HER.

UM, SHE'S COMMITTED TO COLLABORATION, CONSISTENT PURSUIT OF EXCELLENCE, AND SETS A STANDARD THAT IS AN EXAMPLE FOR ALL OF US TO FOLLOW.

UM, SHE HAS MADE A LASTING IMPACT ON OUR WORKPLACE WITH HER EXCEPTIONAL CONTRIBUTION AND HER UPLIFTING SPIRIT AND WE CONGRATULATE HER ON THIS WELL DESERVED AWARD.

SO THANK YOU CHERYL.

BEN IS HER SUPERVISOR, SO I JUST, IF BENCIA HAS ANYTHING TO ADD, GO FOR IT.

UM, I JUST WANNA CONGRATULATE CHERYL, SHE'S A GREAT EMPLOYEE AND UM, A VALUE TO OUR DEPARTMENT AND A GREAT ASSETS, SO I JUST WANNA APPRECIATE THAT AND RECOGNIZE HER FOR THAT AND HER HARD WORK.

THANK YOU JANELLE.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO RECOGNIZE HER.

APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? OKAY, THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN ON YOUR AWARD.

CHAIR WOULD NEED A MOTION TO RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION.

SO MOVED.

WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

OPPOSED? VOTE.

MOVE ON TO ITEM AND WE'RE NOW BACK IN THE REGULAR SESSION.

WE'LL

[a. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration and possible adoption of Resolution Number 47-2024, approving/denying a Special Use Permit to allow for the construction and operation of a 199’self-support lattice tower and associated facilities, located north of Winslow.]

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM A PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 47 DASH 20 0 2 4 APPROVING OR DENYING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF 199

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FOOT SELF SUPPORT LETTUCE TOWER LATEST TOWER ASSOCIATED FACILITIES LOCATED NORTH OF WINSLOW.

KEVIN, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING.

BOARD, UM, BEFORE YOU IS SUP UH, 24 DASH 0 0 9 HENLEY WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITY.

THIS IS A REQUEST BY PINNACLE CONSULTING INC.

FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF A 199 FOOT SELF-SUPPORT LATTICE COMMUNICATION TOWER AND ASSOCIATED FACILITIES LOCATED NORTH OF WINSLOW.

THE OWNER IS JEAN HANCOCK AND THE AGENT IS JOHN KE.

THIS IS LOCATED ON A PN 1 0 3 DASH 22 DASH 0 2 7, WHICH IS 372.64 ACRES IN SIZE AND ZONED A GENERAL AS I MENTIONED, THE OWNER IS JEAN HANCOCK.

THIS WILL HAVE A 199 FOOT SELF-SUPPORT LATTICE COMMUNICATION TOWER AND ASSOCIATED FACILITIES HENLEY TOWER WILL BE AT LEAST 199 FEET FROM ALL PROPERTY BOUNDARIES WITHIN A 50 BY 50 FOOT LEASE AREA, SURROUNDED BY AN EIGHT FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE.

THE GENERAL VICINITY IS TWO MILES NORTH OF WINSLOW.

NEXT IS AN AERIAL OF THE SITE ADJOINING THIS PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS THE WINSLOW WASTEWATER PLANT AND VACANT MUNICIPAL LAND TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY IS VACANT, RU FIVE LAND.

AND TO THE EAST OF THIS PARCEL IS A GENERAL ZONE PROPERTY WITH TWO HOMES.

HERE'S A SITE PLAN SHOWING THAT THE TOWER WILL BE IN THE UPPER NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY AND ALSO SHOWS THE ACCESS POINT TO THE TOWER OFF OF MORMON TRAIL.

THERE IS A 199 FOOT SETBACK FOR THE TOWER.

THIS IS A ZOOMED IN IMAGE OF THE ENCLOSED 50 BY 50 FOOT LEASE AREA.

HERE YOU CAN SEE A SIDE VIEW OF THE 199 FOOT SELF-SUPPORT TOWER SHOWING THE GENERAL DESIGN AND HEIGHT OF THE TOWER.

THERE IS SPACE FOR CO-LOCATION BEFORE YOU AS A PHOTO SIMULATION OF THE PROPOSED SUNSTATE SELF-SUPPORT TOWER.

THIS IS FROM THE ACCESS POINT OFF MORMON TRAIL AND NAVAJO COUNTY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR HENLEY WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITY SUBJECT TO THE 13 CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

AND ALSO BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

UM, NINE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE MAILED NOTIFICATION FOR A MEETING REGARDING THE NEW PROPOSED WIRELESS FACILITY BY PINNACLE CONSULTING INC.

LETTERS WERE DATED AUGUST 6TH, UM, 2024 AND THE MEETING ITSELF WAS HELD ONLINE VIA ZOOM ON AUGUST 22ND, 2024 FROM SIX TO 7:00 PM ONLY ONE INDIVIDUAL PARTICIPATED THE WINSLOW TOWN MANAGER DAVID COOLIDGE.

NO QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS WERE RAISED AND HE WAS EXCITED TO GET NEW INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT AREA.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.

UM, SHOULD YOU PREFER TO ACQUIRE ABOUT ANY OTHER SPECIFICS.

THANK YOU CATHERINE.

UM, IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WISH TO SPEAK AT THIS? DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK IF YOU GUYS WISH? UH, IF NOT YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO ADD, NO BIG DEAL.

BUT IF YOU THAT WAS GREAT.

HONESTLY I'M GONNA LEAVE IT .

THEY DO A WONDERFUL JOB.

PERFECT, THANK YOU.

SO WE'RE GONNA NOW OPEN IT UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK? NO.

SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AND NOW GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT.

SO ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS FOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

DO WE HAVE A, DID WE HAVE A RESTRICTION FOR THE HEIGHT OF CELL COMMUNICATION TOWERS? I THOUGHT WE WERE 80 FEET THEN WE COULD GO UP TO 120 FEET.

199 FEET IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE BASE ELEVATION OF 17 FEET BASE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THERE'S NO MORE, NO MORE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 47 DASH 2 0 2 4 APPROVING SPECIAL ABUSE PERMIT FOR PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR CONSTRUCTION OPERATION OF A 199 FOOT SELF SUPPORT LATEST TOWER AND ASSOCIATED FACILITIES LOCATED NORTH OF WINSLOW.

PERFECT.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION?

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NONE.

ON TO ITEM B, PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 48 DASH 2024 APPROVING OR DENYING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN EVENT BARN, AN OPERATION AS AN EVENT VENUE FOR GROUPS OF UP TO 125 PEOPLE ON APPROXIMATELY 5.02 ACRES IN THE PINEDALE AREA.

[b. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration and possible adoption of Resolution Number 48-2024, approving/denying a Special Use Permit to allow for the construction of an event barn, and operation as an event venue for groups of up to 125 people on approximately 5.02 acres in the Pinedale area. ]

TYLER, GOOD MORNING SUPERVISORS CHAIR, VICE CHAIR.

THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.

TODAY WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, LOCATED A LITTLE BIT SOUTH OF PINEDALE, ARIZONA.

IF I CAN GET MY CLICKER ACTIVATED.

ALRIGHTY.

SO WE ARE SITTING ON AN APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRE PARCEL, ABOUT FOUR MILES OR SO.

UM, TO THE SOUTH OF PINEDALE, ARIZONA IS CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED AS A RENTAL PROPERTY OWNED BY WHITE WHALE PROPERTIES.

LLC.

THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY THEY'RE REQUESTING TO CONSTRUCT A, IT'S ABOUT A 4,500 OR SO FOOT SQUARE FOOT EVENT BARN, UM, IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THEIR PARCEL.

UM, THAT WAS TO BE USED FOR EVENTS, WEDDINGS, UM, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS AS WELL AS PARKING FOR GROUPS OF UP TO 125 PEOPLE.

AND THAT IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THE EVENT BARN IS ALSO SUPPOSED TO ACCOMMODATE.

HERE'S OUR VICINITY MAP SHOWING APPROXIMATELY WHERE WE ARE HERE IN THE COUNTY.

LIKE I SAID, ABOUT 3.7 MILES OR SO FROM THE HEART OF PINEDALE, ARIZONA.

HERE IS AN IMAGE OF THE PARCEL ITSELF, LIKE I SAID, DOWN IN THAT UH, BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER IS WHERE THE EVENT, UH, BARN IS TO BE CONSTRUCTED AS INDICATED IN THEIR NARRATIVE.

UM, TO THE EAST THERE, UH, VACANT LAND, UM, TO THE WEST THERE IS A SUBDIVISION KNOWN AS THE PINEDALE ESTATES.

THERE IS ADDITIONAL RESIDENCES TO THE NORTH AND THEN TO THE SOUTH IT IS VACANT AS WELL AS FOREST SERVICE LAND.

IT'S FINICKY THIS MORNING.

LET'S SEE.

OKAY, THERE WE GO.

SO HERE'S AN IMAGE OF THE SITE PLAN.

THEY DO HAVE TWO POSSIBLE LOCATIONS FOR THE BARN INDICATED ON HERE.

UM, ONE BEING KIND OF MORE TO THE LEFT, MORE TO THE NORTH, AND THEN ONE IN THE UH, SOUTHEAST CORNER THERE.

THAT IS THE LOCATION THAT THEY INDICATED IN THEIR NARRATIVE THAT THE BARN WILL GO, LIKE I SAID, SITTING JUST UNDER 4,200 SQUARE FOOT.

UH, THEY WILL HAVE RESTROOMS AND LIKE I SAID, THERE WILL BE PARKING FOR GROUPS OF 125 INDIVIDUALS VISUALS.

SO COMING TO OUR ANALYSIS HERE, WE HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT IN PLANNING.

IT DOES MEET SEVERAL OF THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UM, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES ENCOURAGE SMALL SPECIALTY ENTERPRISES THAT SUPPORT TOURISM NEAR THE NATIONAL FOREST, WHICH THIS PROJECT WOULD PROVIDE.

IT HAS APPROPRIATE ACCESS LOCATED OFF OF A WAY AND ALONG RIM DRIVE AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED A TRAFFIC IMPACT STATEMENT INDICATING THERE WOULD BE MINIMAL IMPACTS TO RIM DRIVE.

THE CLAY SPRINGS FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THIS PROPOSAL AS WELL AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED A WILL SERVE FOR THIS PROJECT.

AS OF TODAY, WE'VE RECEIVED AROU, UH, COMMENTS FROM AROUND 63 ISH INDIVIDUALS, UM, WITH EIGHT OF THOSE IN SUPPORT.

THE REMAINDER ARE IN OPPOSITION.

YOU DO HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH THAT COMMENT PACKAGE.

UM, THERE MAY BE DUPLICATES IN THERE.

UM, THE CONCERNS, UH, REGARDING THE AGAINST FOR THIS PROJECT, THEY MAINLY ARO MAINLY REVOLVE AROUND ISSUES SUCH AS NOISE POLLUTION, LIGHT POLLUTION, UM, PEOPLE HAVING FIRES, RECKLESS DRIVING A ALONG RIM ROAD, UM, IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, AS WELL AS THINGS LIKE TRESPASSING THE PROPONENTS FOR THIS COMMUNITY OR FOR THIS PROJECT.

THEY CITE THE LOCATION, THE REPUTATION OF THE APPLICANT AND THEY SEE THIS PROJECT AS HAVING A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONCERNS FOR THIS PROJECT, PLANNING HAS REVIEWED THE CONCERNS FOR THE PUBLIC, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND TRIED TO CONDITION, UM, CONCERNS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CONDITION.

UM, SO THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE LIGHT POLLUTION, NOISE POLLUTION.

WE HAVE CONDITIONS IN THERE FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THIS EVENT VENUE.

UM, THE NUMBER OF MONTHS THAT THEY CAN HOLD EVENTS, IF THERE ARE EVENTS PRODUCING LOUD NOISE, THOSE WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE HELD IN THE EVENT BARN.

WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE RECKLESS DRIVING, TRESPASSING FIRES, THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THINGS THAT PLANNING CAN CONDITION AND THERE MAY BE OTHER RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS THAT CAN HANDLE THOSE ISSUES.

UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE REVIEWED IT AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT SUBJECT TO THE 14 CONDITIONS IN THIS REPORT.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

I'M HERE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AND I DO BELIEVE OUR APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.

UH, GOOD MORNING SUPERVISORS.

THANK YOU TYLER.

MM-HMM DOES THE APPLICANT WISHING TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES.

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I DID PROVIDE A POWERPOINT.

IS WAS THAT GIVEN? I NEVER RECEIVED A POWERPOINT.

UH, I DO NOT HAVE IT.

OH, IT WAS GIVEN TO CODY YOU SAID HE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE IT, IT SEEMS LIKE.

UM, ALRIGHT, WELL, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO STATE, UM, FIRST OF ALL, MY NAME'S ZACH MARKHAM, UM, OWNER OF WHITE WELL PROPERTIES AND OF THE PROPERTY HERE.

AND, UM, WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY CONDUCTED ALL OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE, UM, FOR THIS PROPERTY.

UM, I'M NOT A BIG DEVELOPER OR CORPORATION.

WE'VE BEEN USING THIS AS MENTIONED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND UM, WE'VE BEEN GETTING AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF REQUESTS FOR INDIVIDUALS TO WANT TO DO WEDDINGS AT THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND UH, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING AS WE LEARNED MORE ABOUT OUR ZONING BEING A GENERAL AND THAT IT MET THE GOALS OF THE COUNTY, UM, TO PROVIDE TOURISM NEAR THE NATIONAL FOREST.

WE FELT LIKE IT WAS A GOOD THING TO PURSUE.

UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THERE ARE THOSE IN OPPOSITION.

UM, A LOT OF THOSE ARE DUE TO NOISE CONCERNS AS I UNDERSTAND.

UM, AND WE'VE DONE OUR BEST, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A VACATION RENTAL, SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME GUESTS THAT HAVE BECOME, UH, ROWDY AND PROBABLY LOUDER THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

AND WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN IN OUR POWER TO MITIGATE THOSE EFFORTS.

UM, WE PUT SIGNAGE ALL AROUND OUR PROPERTY.

WE, UM, SEND AUTOMATED MESSAGES TO GUESTS COMING IN TO, UH, TO TAKE THE NOISE DOWN AND THEN WE UNDERSTOOD AS COMING INTO THIS REQUEST THAT UM, WE NEEDED TO MITIGATE THE NOISE.

SO THAT IS WHY WE PRO PROPOSED TO BUILD THE EVENT BARN TO KEEP ANY SORT OF LOUD ACTIVITY INDOORS, UM, AND NOT DISTURBING THE COMMUNITY.

UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, UM, AS MENTIONED BY TYLER, I KNOW A LOT OF THE CONCERNS WERE, UH, ABOUT THE ROAD.

UM, AND WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE A, UM, NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND APART FROM THAT, UM, WE JUST WANNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

I THINK THAT'S THE BIG SUMMARY THAT I'M TRYING TO TO SAY HERE IS WE ARE TRYING EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER.

IF THERE'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO THIS, WE'RE, WE'RE MORE THAN OPEN FOR IT.

WE'RE NOT HERE JUST TO RAM THIS DOWN ANYBODY'S THROAT.

WE ARE HERE TO SAY WHAT CAN WE DO TO FULFILL WHAT GOALS THE COUNTY HAS SET FORTH AND, AND ALSO, UM, UTILIZE OUR PROPERTY HOW WE, UM, BOUGHT IT AND FEEL LIKE IT COULD BE USED TO ITS BEST ABILITY AND ALSO NOT IMPACT NEGATIVELY THOSE AROUND US.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE WITH THAT.

WE'RE NOW GONNA OPEN IT UP TO THE, UH, PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT.

SO WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW SLIPS HERE.

UM, EACH OF THE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE GIVEN UP TO THREE MINUTES TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR THE BOARD.

UH, THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE BEVERLY BEVERLY VAN HORN.

GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS BEVERLY VAN HORN AND I LIVE AT 55 22 BLUE GATE DRIVE IN PINE DELLA STATES.

IN MR. MARKHAMS P PRESENTATION, HE CLAIMED THAT THERE ARE NOT MANY VENUES AROUND AND THEY ARE FAR AWAY.

THE TWO HE MENTIONED WERE THE GATHERING PLACE IN PINETOP AND THE GREENHOUSE IN LAKESIDE.

AND HERE'S A FEW MORE.

IVORY AND GRACE IS IN LAKESIDE WILDERNESS RANCH IN LAKESIDE STONEHAVEN LODGE IN SHOW LOW FULLS HOLLOW LAKE, BEAUTIFUL PAVILIONS ON THE LAKE CAP CAMP SHADOW PINES OUTSIDE OF HEBER LEWIS CANYON GROUP AREA.

FIVE MINUTES AWAY.

FARNSWORTH RANCH ROAD, A NEW VENUE.

TAYLOR RANCH FIVE MILES AWAY, LARGE FAMILY EVENTS.

CABO CREEK PRIVATE BARN FOR EVENTS 10 MINUTES AWAY.

BISON RANCH LODGE AND ALL SEASONS BARN OVER GUARD AND THAT'S 30 MILE MINUTES AWAY.

OUR OWN PINEDALE COMMUNITY CENTER.

DO I NEED TO SAY MORE? WHERE IS THE GREAT NEED TO HAVE ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM

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OUR RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, CINDY HUGHES.

OH CINDY, GOOD MORNING.

MORNING.

MY NAME IS CINDY HUGHES.

I ALSO LIVE IN PINEDALE ESTATES.

WE HAVE FOR FIVE YEARS IN THE COUNTY SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATION.

INSTRUCTIONS MR. MARKHAM IS REQUIRED TO SHOW HIS PROJECT WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO OUR AREA.

IT'S PAGE TWO, PARAGRAPH FOUR.

HE HAS SHOWN US NO BENEFITS ONLY PARTY NOISE, DISTURBING THE PEACE IN CONSIDERATE DANGEROUS DRIVERS AND OFF-ROAD VEHICLES SPEEDING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AS FOR THE BENEFITS, IT WILL BENEFIT HIM FINANCIALLY, BUT HE DOESN'T LIVE IN OUR AREA.

IT'LL BENEFIT THE RENTERS WHO COME TO USE THE PROPERTY BUT THEY DON'T LIVE IN OUR AREA.

IT IS NOT OF ANY BENEFIT TO THOSE OF US THAT LIVE IN PINEDALE ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S A HUGE DETERMINANT.

AT THE COMMISSIONER HEARING CODY COOPER EXPLAINED THAT THIS AREA WAS DESIGNATED AS A RECREATION AREA.

HOWEVER, THE WHITE WALL PROPERTY DOES NOT APPEAR TO MEET THAT CRITERIA IN THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE COUNTY'S PLAN CALLS FOR RECREATION AREA PROPERTY TO BE SURROUNDED BY AN ADJACENT TO NATIONAL FOREST.

THE WHITE WELL PROPERTY IS NOT ADJACENT TO THE NATIONAL FOREST, SO HE CANNOT PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE UNITED STATES FOREST SERVICE FROM HIS PROPERTY.

HOWEVER, HE ADVERTISES ON HIS TRAVEL PLATFORM WEBSITE FOR YOU TO BRING YOUR DIRT BIKES QUADS BECAUSE HIS PROPERTY IS SECONDS FROM THE FOREST SERVICE.

SINCE HE CANNOT PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE FOREST SERVICE FROM HIS PROPERTY, THE DIRT BIKES AND QUADS MUST TRAVEL ON A COUNTY ROAD THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET OUT TO THE FOREST IN THE COUNTY STAFF REPORT FOR THIS PERMIT.

GOAL FOUR, PAGE FOUR PROVIDE FOR SAFE TRAVEL AND ACCESS TO PROPERTY.

THE ACCESS AURELIA WAY IS SOMETIMES IMPACTED BY FLASH FLOODS AND EVEN A LIGHT WATER FLOW WILL LEAVE IT RUTTED AND IMPASSABLE FOR CARS.

GOAL EIGHT, REDUCE THE DANGER FROM FIRE FOR ALL RESIDENTS LIVE IN WILD LAND URBAN INTERFACE OR NEAR A NATIONAL FOREST BOUNDARY.

THE WEDDING EVENT BARN WITH 125 GUESTS WITH A MIX OF ALCOHOL SMOKING IS CONTRADICTORY TO THIS GOAL.

NOT TO MENTION OPEN FIRE PITS ON THE PROPERTY.

POLICY EIGHT C DISCOURAGE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS WHERE FIRE PROTECTION AND OTHER EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE READILY AVAILABLE.

THE WEDDING EVENT BARN WITH 125 GUESTS WITH MIX OF ALCOHOL AND SMOKING IS CONTRADICTORY TO THIS GOAL.

IF THIS EVENT BARN WAS GOING TO BE RIGHT UP IN YOUR FAMILY'S HOME, WOULD YOU APPROVE IT? THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, MICHELLE HARRELL.

HI AM MICHELLE HARRELL, UH, RESIDENT PINEDALE STATE AND A HALF YEARS.

UM, IN HIS APPLICATION HE DID NOT ADDRESS OTHER SERIOUS CONCERNS WE HAD REGARDING THE ROAD.

UM, HEAVY TRAFFIC EVENT TIMES WOULD BE STARTING IN TIMES 50 CARS ON THIS DIRT ROAD CONGESTION HE DIDN'T MENTION.

THERE'S A ONE LANE BRIDGE THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN PINEDALE CONGESTION.

UM, DAMAGE TO THE ROAD, WHICH IS NOT GRAVEL SAID IN THE REPORT BUT IS DIRT.

UM, IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE WITH ALL THAT TRAFFIC.

UM, AND THEN, UH, AS FAR AS THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOES, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE CONSIDERATION OF AIR QUALITY WITH ALL THE EXTRA VEHICLES TRAVELING TOGETHER AT A CERTAIN TIMES THAT WOULD INCREASE THE DUST POLLUTION CONSIDERABLY.

UM, ALSO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TO PREDICT THE MIS AND PRIVATE PROPERTY.

OUR PROPERTY VALUES, I BELIEVE WOULD HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT AND WOULD GO DOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE MOVE OUT THERE FURTHER QUIET AND NOT TO HAVE, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN THE AREA.

ALSO, UM, BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE CRIME AND ACCIDENTS WOULD INCREASE, UM, AS JUST A GIVEN WITHIN MORE PEOPLE YOU HAVE, THE MORE THAT WOULD INCREASE, I'M SORRY, INSURANCE RATES WOULD GO UP, TAXES WOULD GO UP WITH HAVING TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD MORE.

ALSO, TAXES WOULD GO UP, UM, FOR HAVING, UM, THE MORE, UM, EMERGENCY SERVICES TO COME OUT.

ALSO, UM, NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH STATES THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL RESPECT THE TRADITIONS AND CUSTOMS OF LONGTIME RESIDENTS.

MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON QUALITY OF LIFE AND CHARACTER OF THE AREA.

BUSINESSES ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT, UH, ARE NOT TO SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE PEOPLE ALREADY IN THE VICINITY AND TO MAINTAIN COMPATIBLE LAND USE PATTERNS THAT IS AGAINST WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO.

THEIR STATE, THE OWNER'S STATEMENT SAYS, UM, THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE A MAXIMUM OF 40 PARKING SPACES.

UM, THAT WOULD BE, UM, BASED ON THEIR OWN REPORT FOR 125

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PEOPLE, THEY WOULD NEED AT LEAST 60, UM, 50 FOR GUESTS PLUS AT LEAST 10 FOR VENDORS MANAGEMENT, ET CETERA.

THE OWNERS SAY THEY'RE GONNA STILL PLAN TO USE IT AS A PRIMARY USE FOR A VACATION RENTAL.

WHY WOULD THEY BUILD A 4,300 SQUARE FOOT EVENT BARN FOR SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR? THEY SAY TWO WEDDINGS A MONTH.

THAT JUST DOESN'T SOUND, UM, LIKE SOMETHING THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO.

HE'S LIED TO US BEFORE ABOUT THINGS AND, UM, ONCE A PERMIT WOULD BE APPROVED THAT COULD BE CHANGED.

UM, IT COULD GO YEAR ROUND.

SO THERE'S JUST, UM, OBVIOUSLY I'M STRONGLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS AND I HOPE YOU ALL READ MY EMAIL AND OR OTHER EMAILS AND CONSIDER THOSE STATEMENTS AS WELL 'CAUSE WE CAN'T FIT IT ALL IN THREE MINUTES.

, THANK YOU.

HAVE PHOTOS OF THE WASH, UH, IN SEVERAL HIGH WATER CONDITIONS, AS YOU CAN SEE.

UH, CHARLES MEAD.

I'M JUST TIMING MYSELF TO KIND OF KNOW HOW I'M DOING.

IT'S HARD TO FIT IT ALL IN THREE MINUTES.

UM, MY NAME IS PAT MEAD.

CHARLES MEAD, UH, AT 55 40 FOREST DRIVE IN PINEVILLE ESTATES, WE HAVE PROVIDED THE LEGAL BRIEF FROM OUR HOA LAW FIRM.

IN AN EFFORT TO SAVE TIME, I WILL JUST READ AN EXCERPT FROM IT.

CURRENTLY, WHITE WELL PROPERTIES REFERRED TO AS WHITE WELL IS OPERATING A VACATION SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTY ON THE PROPERTY RENTAL ON THE PROPERTY UNDER ARIZONA LAW A RS 11 DASH 2 69 SECTION K.

CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS APPLY TO THESE TYPES OF S THE STATUTE CLEARLY STATES THAT A VACATION RENTAL OR SHORT-TERM RENTAL MAY NOT BE USED FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, INCLUDING FOR A SPECIAL EVENT THAT WOULD OTHERWISE REQUIRE A PERMIT OR LICENSE PURSUANT TO A COUNTY ORDINANCE OR A STATE LAW OR RULE FOR A RETAIL RESTAURANT BANQUET SPACE OR OTHER SIMILAR USE BASED ON THE FOREGOING, WHITE WHALE IS ALREADY IN VIOLATION OF ARIZONA LAW BY OPERATING A VACATION RENTAL AS AN EVENT VENUE ON THE PROPERTY PERMITTING EVENT PER PERMITTING ADDITIONAL EVENT SPACE ON THE PROPERTY WOULD EFFECTIVELY ENDORSE WHITE WELL'S ONGOING VIOLATIONS OF STATE LAW.

THE STATUTORY LANGUAGE IS UNEQUIVOCAL IN PROHIBITING VACATION RENTALS FROM BEING USED AS A EVENT VENUES REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WHITE WELL OBTAINS A SPECIAL USE PER FROM NAVAJO COUNTY.

THEREFORE, BY APPROVING THE CONTINUED OPERATION OF WHITE WELLS RENTAL AS AN EVENT VENUE, OR BY PERMITTING THE INSTALLATION OF EVENT BARN ON THE PROPERTY, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD BE COMPLICIT IN ENABLING WHITE WELLS VIOLATION OF THE ARIZONA OF REVISED STATUTES.

IN SIMPLE TERMS TERMS, EVEN IF THE COUNTY ISSUES THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHITE WELL WOULD STILL BE IN VIOLATION OF ARIZONA STATE LAW.

STATE LAW SUPERSEDES COUNTY LAW.

ON A MORE PERSONAL NOTE, ZONING REGULATIONS ARE TO ENSURE WE KNOW WHAT WE, WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE INJECTED INTO OUR COMMUNITY.

WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR OR BUILT OUR HOMES IN PINEAL ESTATES, WE KNEW THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES WERE ZONED A GENERAL.

THIS WAS OUR PROTECTION AGAINST SOME UNWANTED BUSINESS BEING BUILT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

THIS WEDDING VENUE IS NOT ALLOWED ON PROPERTIES ZONED A GENERAL, AND THERE ARE NO OTHER BUSINESSES WITHIN MILES OF US.

ZACHARY KNOWINGLY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, ZONED A GENERAL, BUT WANTS TO CHANGE ITS USE.

SO HOW CAN A WEALTHY MAN JUST HAVE A ZONING ADJUSTED TO ALLOW HIM TO TRAMPLE ON OUR RIGHTS SO HE CAN MAKE A PROFIT? WOULD THE COUNTY REALLY HELP HIM DO THAT? HE HAS NO RIGHT TO BYPASS THE EXISTING ZONING RULES AND DEASE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

WITH THE OBJECTIONS HEARD HERE TONIGHT AND THE 50 PLUS LETTERS AND OBJECTION, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THIS LOCATION IS JUST NOT APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THIS WEDDING EVENT.

BARN, PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING, DENY THIS PROPERTY AND SAVE OUR PEACEFUL COMMUNITY.

I ALSO LIVE IN PINEDALE ESTATES WITH MY BOYS.

UM, I HAVE, UH, SAFETY CONCERNS RELATED TO THIS PROPERTY.

ONE SAFETY ISSUE IS THE MORTENSON WASH THAT MUST BE CROSSED TO GET TO AND FROM THE WHITE WHALE PROPERTY.

THERE ARE TIMES WHEN IT IS A RAGING RIVER DURING HEAVY MONSOON SEASON AND ALSO THE SPRING THAW.

AT TIMES LIKE THESE, THE WASH IS IMPASSABLE EVEN FOR FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES, EVEN A MODERATE FLOW, THE WASH IS IMPASSABLE FOR THE SMALLER CARS OF MANY PEOPLE COMING UP FROM THE CITY TO ATTEND.

EVENTS.

PEOPLE NOT ACQUAINTED WITH OUR WASH WOULD LIKELY ATTEMPT TO CROSS IT AND BE STRANDED IN THE MIDDLE AND POSSIBLY NEED RESCUED OR JUST BE STRANDED ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE WASH WITH NO WAY TO EXIT THE WHITE WHALE PROPERTY.

IN THE PAST WE HAVE STOPPED DRIVERS FROM ATTEMPTING TO CROSS THE FLOODED WASH.

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SECONDLY, THE FIRE DANGER WILL BE GREATLY EXACERBATED IF THE PERMIT ALLOWING AN EVENT VENUE IS GRANTED.

WITH THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF 125 PEOPLE, SOME WILL BE SMOKING OUTSIDE.

FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PAST SUMMER, THERE WAS A GUEST FROM WHITE WHALE PROPERTY TRESPASSING ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, SMOKING A CIGARETTE IN THEIR DRY GRASS.

AT MANY WEDDINGS, ALCOHOL IS INVOLVED AND WITH THE LIKELY MIX OF ALCOHOL AND SMOKING OUTDOORS, THERE IS PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR A CIGARETTE TO START A WILDFIRE NO MATTER HOW A WILDFIRE IS STARTED.

THIS NORTH END OF THE SUBDIVISION IS THE ONLY EXIT FOR ALL 125 GUSTS AND EVERY RESIDENT OF PINEDALE ESTATES A FIRE ORIGINATING ON THAT PROPERTY CARRIED BY THE WIND.

WE CUT OFF EVERYONE'S EXIT VERY QUICKLY, UM, BOTH FOR WEDDING GUESTS AND FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

WE ONLY HAVE THIS ONE USABLE EXIT OUT OF PINEDALE ESTATES AS THE RIM ROAD AT THE SOUTH END OF THE COMMUNITY IS ONLY USABLE BY HIGH CLEARANCE VEHICLES.

IN ADDITION TO THIS, WE HAVE NO FIRE HYDRANTS, AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 20 MINUTES AWAY DEPENDING ON THE ROAD CONDITIONS.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE RESPONSE TIME FOR THE VOLUNTEER FIREMEN TO GET TO THE FIRE STATION AND GET EQUIPPED AND TURNED OUT THIS COMBINATION COULD RESULT IN A GREAT DEAL OF LOSS OF PROPERTY AND THE LOSS OF LIFE.

WE HAVE BEEN SEEKING LEGAL COUNSEL ON OUR RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES AT THE COUNTY.

LEGAL COUNSEL HAS ADVISED US THAT IT IS PLAUSIBLE THAT THE COUNTY, BY HAVING THIS INFORMATION AND GRANTING THIS PERMIT, COULD BE CULPABLE FOR THE LOSS OF LIFE.

IF SUCH A CATASTROPHE WERE TO OCCUR, WE URGE THE BOARD FOR SAFETY'S SAKE TO DENY THIS PERMIT.

ALSO, MY BOYS AND I FREQUENTLY WALK THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITH MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE PEOPLE AND, UM, THE SPEEDING AND THE DUSTING OF THE A TV VEHICLES, WE NO LONGER WOULD FEEL SAFE WALKING IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY.

UH, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM OUR FAMILY.

IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THERE.

UH, DENNIS STINSON.

MY NAME IS DENNIS STINSON.

I OWN THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO, UH, MR. MARKHAM.

UH, WE SHARE A DRIVE, LIO DRIVE.

ONE SIDE'S HIS ONE, THIS SIDE'S MINE.

UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE THE, UH, AUTHORITY TO, UH, GRANT THIS PERMIT OR TURN IT DOWN.

THERE'S PROBABLY 60 SOME ODD PEOPLE THAT LIVE UP THERE, AND ALMOST EVERYBODY IS IN A POSITION AT THIS PLACE.

IT'S JUST WE MOVED THERE TO GET AWAY FROM EVERYTHING.

WE'VE COME DOWN A FOUR MILE DIRT ROAD TO BE WHERE WE WANT TO BE, AND THEN SOMEBODY MOVES IN AND THEY WANT TO HAVE PARTIES EVERY WEEK.

IT'S JUST NOT FOR US.

IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT HE CAN COME IN AND JUST DISRUPT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

JUST THINK IF YOU LIVE THERE OR IF YOUR PARENTS LIVED THERE, WOULD YOU WANT TO GRANT THIS ANYWAY? UH, MR. MARKHAM'S GONNA HAVE A, A NEW BARN BUILT AND HE'S GONNA NEED A PERMIT FOR A SEPTIC SYSTEM TO ADD ONTO THE ONE HE HAS.

THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S A 50 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE WASH TO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.

I, LIKE I SAY, I OWN THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO HIS, I HAVE THE FULL LENGTH OF MY PROPERTY IS THE, UH, MORTENSON WASH.

I'VE LOST PROBABLY 30 TO 40 FEET OF EROSION, SO 50 FEET OF HIS PROPERTY.

HE ONLY HAS A REAL SMALL PIECE.

I PROBABLY HAVE 200 YARDS OF WASH FRONT AND 50 FEET.

TODAY IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE 50 FEET IN THREE YEARS, HE, UH, HAS, SAYS HE HAS FIVE AND A 0.2 ACRES.

A LARGE PORTION OF THAT IS WASH.

SO WHEN YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON HIS PROPERTY ALREADY, THE BIG CIRCLE DRIVEWAY, THE OUT BUILDINGS, AND NOW HE WANTS TO PUT UP A BARN.

AND THEN HE SAYS THAT THEY NEED 25 SPACES.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER ATTENDED A WEDDING.

HOW DO YOU GET 25 CARS TO BRING 125 PEOPLE? UH, THEN HE WANTS TO PUT 25, 5 SPACES OF CARS PLUS THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE PLACE.

THERE'S JUST NOT ROOM FOR THAT.

AND IT'S JUST A, A, LIKE THE LADY SAID, IT'S JUST A SAFETY HAZARD.

THERE'S JUST NO WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET, THERE'S PEOPLE WHO LIVE BEYOND HIM.

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THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.

AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE MAIN ROAD, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVE.

THERE'S PEOPLE WHO LIVE BEYOND THEM THAT COME DOWN A PROBABLY A 30 FOOT, MAYBE 20 FOOT ROAD DRIVEWAY THAT HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THERE AND THERE'S NO OTHER WAY OUT.

WE'VE REACHED THE THREE MINUTES, SIR.

CATHERINE, TENSION GETTING OLD.

THANK YOU, CATHERINE.

I'M CATHERINE STINSON, LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US TODAY.

UM, WHEN MR. MARKHAM WAS ASKED BY ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU SELL LIQUOR? HE, HE WAS ADAMANT I WOULD NEVER SELL LIQUOR AT MY PROPERTY, BUT I CAN'T CONTROL WHAT PEOPLE BRING INTO THE PROPERTY.

AGAIN, MR. MARKHAM NEVER MENTIONED AT THE MEETING THAT A MOBILE BAR IS INCLUDED IN HIS RENTAL PACKAGE.

AS A, UM, SIDE NOTE, THERE ARE WEDDING AND CORPORATE VENUES THAT DO NOT ALLOW ANY ALCOHOL ON THEIR PROPERTY.

AFTER A LARGE CELEBRATE EVENT SUCH AS A WEDDING, IT IS SAFE TO, SORRY, I NEEDED YOUR GLASSES SAFE TO SAY THAT MANY PEOPLE, UH, WILL BE LEAVING THIS, UH, VENUE INEBRIATED.

PEOPLE WHO VISIT OUR SMALL COMMUNITY FROM OUT OF TOWN ALREADY DRIVE RIM DRIVE AGGRESSIVELY.

ALLOWING THE PARTY BARN TO BE BUILT WILL ONLY EXASPERATE THIS PROBLEM, ADDING ANOTHER DANGER TO OUR AREA.

DRUNK DRIVERS STATISTICS ARE CLEAR THAT ANY EVENT OR GATHERING IS MORE THAN 100 PEOPLE.

THERE WILL BE ACCIDENTS ADDING THE ELEMENT OF ALCOHOL USE AND SMOKING, AND YOU ARE RAISING THE RISK OF THE SCALE OF RAISING THE RISK OFF THE SCALE OF THE MEMBERS OF THIS RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

SOME OF MR. MARKHAM'S FORMER EMPLOYEES WERE SO DISGUSTED TO SEE THE ICE CHEST FILLED WITH ALCOHOL BEING HAULED INTO THE WEDDING VENUE THEY WERE SETTING UP.

THEY QUIT AND NEVER WENT BACK.

EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE, THEY NEEDED THE EXTRA MONEY.

THE ROWDY, UH, WEDDINGS THIS PAST SUMMER HAD BEEN BAD ENOUGH.

THE OUTDOOR AFTER PARTIES IN THE LATE EVENINGS BY EITHER THE FAMILY OR WEDDING STAFF, HAVE KEPT THE NEIGHBORS UP UNTIL ALMOST MIDNIGHT WITH THE SQUEALING AND RUCKUS LAUGHTER UP DRUNK REVEALERS, UH, THE MARKHAMS ARE TRYING TO TURN THIS NORMAL RESIDENTIAL HOME INTO A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE HAS, HAS AFFECTED AND WILL AFFECT THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS MORE WITH A LARGE GROUP.

THEY DO NOT LIVE HERE, AND THEY DO NOT INTEND TO LIVE HERE.

THEY HAVE NO SKIN IN THE GAME.

PLEASE SAVE US FROM THIS EVENTUAL CONSEQUENCE OF SOMEONE DRINKING AND DRIVING.

SAY NO TO THE WHITE WHALE PROPERTIES PERMIT AND EXPANSION.

SORRY, I NEEDED MY GLASSES.

THE RE THE, UM, THE RESIDENTS AND SURROUNDING FAMILIES HAVE EXPERIENCED THE FIRST FULL SEASON OF WHITE WELL PROPERTIES.

UH, DANA NEED HI, I AM DANA MEAD AND I LIVE 5 5 4 OH FOREST DRIVE, PINEVILLE STATES THANK YOU BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR LISTENING TO US TODAY.

UM, I WANNA SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ON, ON ONE, UM, INCONSISTENCY.

MR. MARKHAM CLAIMS THAT HE IS NOT A DEVELOPER.

UM, TODAY, HE SAID HE'S NOT A BIG DEVELOPER.

WELL, IF YOU PERUSE THE INTERNET FOR A FEW MINUTES, YOU'LL FIND EXACTLY THAT.

HE IS A DEVELOPER OF MANY THINGS.

CO-PRESIDENT OF FIDELIS INSURANCE CONSULTANTS MANAGING PARTNER AND INTEGRITY MARKETING, HE OWNS A KENAI SALMON FISHING COMPANY.

GRIZZLY LODGE AT LAKE SOLDOTNA, ALASKA, THE PEACEFUL PENINSULA ON SPORTS LAKE SOLD ALASKA, A VENUE IN PORT OF PENASCO.

AND ACCORDING TO HIS APPLICATION LETTER, UM, IN THE FILE, HE HAS PROPERTY IN FLORIDA AS WELL.

THERE'S GOOD AND THERE'S BAD ALTOGETHER.

IT MAKES OUR HISTORY.

IF WE FORGET OUR HISTORY, WE ARE BOUND TO REPEAT THE WORST ELEMENTS OF IT.

THE PINEDALE ESTATES AND SURROUNDING AREA HAVE A RICH AND DIVERSE HISTORY FROM OUR INDIGENOUS NATIVE PEOPLE THAT ROAMED THE SURROUNDING FORESTS TO THE PIONEER FAMILIES TAMING THE WILDERNESS.

IT'S A HISTORY WORTH PRESERVING FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO SEE AND EXPERIENCE.

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WITH THE SPECIAL EVENTS INCLUDED.

THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY CHANGES IN OUR TREASURED AREA.

WE PICK UP THEIR TRASH, PUT ON, PUT UP WITH THEIR EXCESSES, LIVE WITH THE ADDED DANGERS.

GIVE A LISTENING EAR TO OUR ELDERLY NEIGHBORS WHO ARE AFRAID TO APPROACH THE GROUP OF TEENAGE BOYS TRESPASSING ON THEIR PROPERTY.

FEEL SAD WHEN OUR BEAUTIFUL WILDLIFE OR AFRAID TO RETURN HERE AFTER A WILD WEEKEND OF EVENT PARTIES.

AND OUR HEARTS BREAK BECAUSE ONE COMMERCIAL EVENT VENUE HAS MADE OUR HABITAT LESS ENJOYABLE FOR ALL.

AND NOW WE ARE EXPECTED TO SIT BY WHILE THIS DEVELOPER DOUBLES OR TRIPLES THE AMOUNT OF DESTRUCTION IN THIS BEAUTIFUL RURAL AREA.

SO WHITE WHALE PROPERTIES CAN BRING IN MORE FINANCES.

THIS DIVERSE COMMUNITY OF MANY BACKGROUNDS, AGES, AND ETHNICITIES, HAS DONE WHAT FEW COMMUNITIES EVER ACHIEVE.

THEY HELP AND WATCH OUT FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS.

THEY RESPECT THE LAND AND WILDLIFE.

WE TREASURE THE DEER LIVING SAFELY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THE OCCASIONAL ELK, WILD TURKEYS A BEAR NOW, AND THEN A FUNNY RACCOON AND A FEW STINKY SKUNKS ARE ALL PART OF THE BALANCE OF NATURE THERE.

WE INHABIT MODEST HOMES AND HAVE SMALL PROPERTIES LEAVING A VERY LIGHT FOOTPRINT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

AND WE REMEMBER THE PAST AND DO OUR BEST TO PASS THESE VALUES ONTO OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN.

SO THE WORST IN HISTORY NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

WHITE WHALES, UPSCALE GUESTS COME TO ENJOY PARTIES AS ONE OF THEIR WITNESSES SHARED AT THE COMMISSIONER'S MEETING.

THEIR PROPERTY WAS BUILT AS A LARGE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND SHOULD BE ENJOYED BY LARGE FAMILY GROUPS.

WE APPEAL TO YOU TO CONSIDER THE RESIDENCE OF THIS COMMUNITY AND DENY THIS PERMIT AND ANY FURTHER PERMITS OR CHANGES TO THIS PROPERTY.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, KAYLA KENNEDY? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD MORNING TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, MY NAME IS KAYLA AND I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ZACHARY MARKHAM.

I AM HERE TODAY TO OPPOSE THE WEDDING EVENT BARN.

UM, I'M ALSO HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR THE PEACE, SAFETY, AND COMFORT IN OUR SMALL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

ACCORDING TO THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, EVENTS WILL OCCUR FROM NOON INTO THE NIGHT FOR SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR.

EVERY RESIDENT IN PINEDALE WILL SUFFER THESE CONSEQUENCES WE ALREADY HAVE SINCE SUMMER FROM NOISE THAT ROCKS OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO RECKLESS DRIVING, TRESPASSING, AND SO MUCH MORE.

OUR COMMUNITY IS NOT IN NEED OF WEDDING VENUES, ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM A RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE ARE MANY OTHER BEAUTIFUL WEDDING VENUES AROUND WHERE NOISE AND DISRUPTION IS NOT A CONCERN.

AND I, UM, PROVIDED A LIST FOR YOU AS WELL.

ON ZACHARY'S WEBSITE, HE STATES THAT HE WILL OFFER A PA SYSTEM AND A MOBILE BAR TO HIS WEDDING GUESTS.

ZACHARY STATED AT HIS ORIGINAL MEETING ON HIS DRIVEWAY THAT GOING FORWARD, THERE WOULD BE NO MORE OUTSIDE SPEAKERS, BUT HE STILL ADVERTISES A PA SYSTEM INCLUDED IN THE RENTAL.

AND THERE HAS BEEN PLENTY MORE LOUD MUSIC UTILIZING THE PA SYSTEM.

REALISTICALLY SPEAKING, ONE EVENT MANAGER IS NOT GOING TO CONTROL THE NOISE OF 125 PEOPLE AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA STAY INSIDE OF A BARN.

AND IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, CAN I PLAY A CLIP OF NOISE? UM, OKAY, SO I'M GONNA PLAY THIS FOR YOU GUYS VERY QUICKLY.

SO THIS WAS AFTER A LEARNING CURVE TOOK PLACE.

THIS WAS AFTER I HAVE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO HIM PERSONALLY.

AND THIS WAS MUCH LESS THAN 125 PEOPLE A WEEK AFTER THIS.

THERE WAS A WEDDING AND WE COULD CLEARLY HEAR TWO PEOPLE BEING PRONOUNCED AS HUSBAND AND WIFE.

THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MULTIPLE WEDDINGS HERE.

IT APPEARS THAT ACCOMMODATING STRANGERS ONLINE FOR MONEY MEANS MORE THAN PROTECTING THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.

WE ALL CAME TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO LIVE A PEACEFUL LIFE IN THE FOREST, TO GET AWAY FROM THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE AND NOISE OF LIVING IN TOWN.

THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT WILL DESTROY ALL OF THAT.

WE CAN'T SIT ON OUR PORCH IN THE EVENINGS BECAUSE OF THE NOISE AND THE CHAOS.

IF THIS IS GOING TO BE RIGHT UP AGAINST YOUR FAMILY'S HOUSE, WOULD YOU APPROVE THIS? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

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I'M ERICA MARKHAM, ZACHARY MARKHAM'S WIFE AND CO-OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY.

I FEEL LIKE I'M IN THE HOT SEAT RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, UM, I NEVER THOUGHT I'D HAVE TO FEEL SO GUILTY AND EMBARRASSED THAT WE HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES.

WE, UM, ARE ENTREPRENEURS AND WE DO HAVE OTHER BUSINESSES IN OTHER STATES, AND WE HAVE OTHER AIRBNBS AND VACATION RENTALS AND ALL OF THEM.

I MEAN, OUR OTHER VACATION RENTALS HAVE ALL RUN WITH NO PROBLEMS AT ALL.

WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES.

WE ONLY HAVE A FEW OTHER ONES.

UM, WE BOUGHT THIS CABIN BECAUSE WE'RE FROM ARIZONA.

WE WERE RAISED IN ARIZONA.

WE HAVE FAMILY IN ARIZONA.

MY DAD GREW UP IN SNOWFLAKE.

WE HAVE LOTS OF TIES TO PINEDALE SHOW LOW, THIS WHOLE AREA.

I MEAN, OUR HEART IS OUT HERE.

UM, BUT WE WANTED A PLACE FOR OUR KIDS TO GO AND OUR, AND TO TAKE OUR FAMILY.

AND SO WE BOUGHT THIS CABIN KNOWING, OKAY, WE, WE WANT SOMEWHERE THAT WE CAN COME WITH OUR FAMILY AND OUR KIDS AND ALSO RENT IT OUT WHEN WE'RE NOT THERE.

SAME WITH OUR BUSINESS IN ALASKA.

WE HAVE A, WE RUN A SALMON FISHING COMPANY OUT THERE.

SAME THING WITH OUR CABINS OUT THERE.

YOU WE GO THERE, WE STAY THERE, AND THEN WE RENT IT OUT.

UM, TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT HERE IS WE BOUGHT THIS NOT PLANNING ON HAVING A WEDDING EVENT VENUE OR AN EVENT VENUE.

WE DID NOT PLAN THAT.

WE BOUGHT IT AS A CABIN FOR OUR FAMILY.

UM, WE, I'M A REAL ESTATE AGENT.

BEEN A REAL ESTATE AGENT FOR 12 YEARS IN ARIZONA.

AND SO THE ZONING WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME.

AND I KNEW, OKAY, WE HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING WITH THE RIGHT ZONING.

THIS WAS THE RIGHT ZONING.

UM, WHEN WE HAD OVER A HUNDRED REQUESTS IN THE FIRST YEAR FOR COUPLES TO GET MARRIED IN OUR PROPERTY, UM, WE SAID NO FOR A YEAR AND WE DIDN'T DO IT.

AND THEN FINALLY WE STARTED TO BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, OUR ZONING IS REALLY CLOSE TO WHAT LIKE A EVENT VENUE WOULD BE.

WHY DON'T WE JUST LIKE LOOK INTO IT AND MAYBE TRY IT? AND I'M SO SAD MY HUSBAND COULDN'T DO HIS POWERPOINT.

HE HAD ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS WOULD PROBABLY NEED FOR ALL THIS.

BUT, UM, WE DID A COUPLE THAT DIDN'T END UP GOING WELL, WE WEREN'T READY.

WE AREN'T, WE WEREN'T READY FOR IT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS THE CORRECT WAY IS WE, LIKE, WE'RE RULE FOLLOWERS.

WE LIKE TO FOLLOW THE RULES.

ALL OF OUR AIRBNBS, WE HAVE LOTS OF RULES, LOTS OF REGULATIONS, A LOT OF THEIR COMPLAINTS, HONESTLY PROBABLY AREN'T EVEN FROM OUR VACATION RENTAL.

WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS IN PLACE AND IF SOMEONE DOES CALL US OR TELL US RIGHT AWAY, WE IMMEDIATELY CONTACT THE RENTERS.

LIKE WE'RE GOOD VACATION RENTAL OWNERS.

UM, AND THERE ARE MANY VACATION RENTALS IN PINEDALE.

AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST TAKING THE BRUNT OF ALL OF THEIR COMPLAINTS BECAUSE WE WANNA HAVE AN EVENT VENUE FOR THESE COUPLES, THE HUNDREDS OF COUPLES THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO US TO HAVE A WEDDING.

AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BUILD A BARN THAT THESE COUPLES CAN GET MARRIED AND HAVE THEIR MOMENT, THEIR SPECIAL, I MEAN, PINEDALE IS SPECIAL FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

AND SO WE JUST WANNA BUILD SOMETHING FOR THEM TO COME TO.

AND WE DON'T WANNA MAKE IT HUGE.

WE DON'T PLAN ON 125 PEOPLE BEING IN AND OUT EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR SIX MONTHS STRAIGHT.

I MEAN, WE'RE JUST HOPING FOR A COUPLE WEDDINGS ON WEEKENDS AND WE SAW THE NEED AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FULFILL THAT NEED FOR PINEDALE AND FOR NAVAJO COUNTY.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THE NAVAJO COUNTY WOULD LIKE.

WE'VE DONE OUR RESEARCH, WE WOULDN'T BE PUSHING THIS AND SPENDING OUR MONEY AND TIME ON THIS IF THERE WASN'T A NEED FOR IT.

AND I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER WEDDING VENUES, WE KNOW THAT.

BUT WHY ARE THEY STILL REACHING OUT TO US SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR OUR PROPERTY? UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I HOPE THAT HELP.

YOU'LL NEED TO UNLOCK YOUR IPHONE FIRST.

UM, JAMIE SHOCKEY.

HOPE I'M NOT SAYING THAT RIGHT.

I APOLOGIZE.

OH GOD.

THIS ECHO CHAMBER, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HEAR PEOPLE TALKING, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE 300 YARDS AWAY.

FIRST OFF, WE LIVE RIGHT BEHIND IT AND MOST OF OUR PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THEIRS.

WE DO HELP CARE, TAKE THE AIRBNBS.

UH, WE'VE BE LIVED BACK THERE FOR 25 YEARS.

THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE WITH THE ROAD.

THE SCHOOL BUS QUIT COMING BECAUSE THE ROAD WAS TEARING UP THE SCHOOL BUS.

SO I HAD DRIVE THE KIDS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE HIGHWAY.

I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN ISSUES WITH NOISE.

THERE'S OTHER AIRBNBS AROUND.

UM, I REALLY FEEL THAT, UM, ZACH AND ERICA ARE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THE NOISE PROBLEM.

THERE WAS ISSUES ALL LAST, YOU KNOW, WITH CERTAIN WEDDINGS, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE RIGHT THERE.

WE HEAR EVERYTHING.

AND THEY'RE IN A CANYON.

WE'RE IN A CANYON.

SO EVERYTHING ECHOES UP.

AND, UM, WE GET CALLS FROM NEIGHBORS AND WE SAY, NO, IT'S NOT THEM, IT'S THE OTHER ONE.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S HAPPENED MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THAT THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT CALLED US DIRECTLY WEREN'T FROM ROCK CREEK IS THE, IS THE NAME OF THEIR AIRBNB.

IT WAS FROM OTHER AIRBNBS.

UM, I JUST THINK THAT THEY'RE JUST, I EMPATHIZE WITH EVERYBODY WITH THEIR, THEIR, THEY'RE UPSET, YOU KNOW? I GET IT.

WE LIVED THERE, WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

THE IMPACT ON THE FOREST, EVERYTHING.

BUT I DO FEEL THAT ZACH AND ERICA ARE REALLY TRYING TO KEEP THE NOISE DOWN TO WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE GET TOGETHER, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN

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AND SO THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT BY HAVING THIS BARN SO THAT THE LOUD NOISE IN THE MUSIC IS IN THE BARN, YOU KNOW? SO I'M FOR IT.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

OH, AND THE ROAD THING, THE EASEMENT, THE EASEMENT TO THEIR PROPERTY IS PRIVATE.

THE MARKHAMS US, THE SHOCKEY'S, UM, SUSAN MELTON AND A PROPERTY THAT NO ONE LIVES ON THE ACOSTA ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE ALLOWED ON THAT EASEMENT.

THAT'S OUR PRIVATE EASEMENT.

IT DOESN'T BELONG TO ANYONE ELSE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY, CLEAR THAT UP.

AND AS FOR THE ROAD, THE WASH IS COMING THROUGH.

SURE.

WE'VE SEEN IT.

WE'VE NEVER BEEN TRAPPED BECAUSE OF THE FLOODS FOR MORE THAN A DAY, THE WHOLE TIME.

WE'VE LIVED THERE IN 25 YEARS, SO, AND THAT WASH IS ON THE EASEMENT, THE PRIVATE EASEMENT.

SO THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY.

UH, MONICA JOHNSTON.

HELLO.

SO, UM, MY NAME'S MONICA JOHNSTON.

UM, I'M A SIXTH GENERATION ARIZONAN.

MY FAMILY'S FROM ALL AROUND UP HERE.

UM, MY GRANDMA HERSELF WAS BORN IN PINEDALE.

AND I MEAN, THEY, MY FAMILY HELPED ESTABLISH THESE COMMUNITIES UP HERE.

UM, I WANTED TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE MARKHAMS BECAUSE I'VE KNOWN ZACH AND ERICA FOR OVER 10 YEARS.

UH, THEY ARE FAMILY CENTERED.

UM, THEY CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THEIR FAMILY AND THEIR COMMUNITY.

UM, THEY LOOK FOR MULTIPLE WAYS TO HELP IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY LIVE IN.

UM, THEY ARE KIND TO THEIR NEIGHBORS.

THEY'RE KIND TO EVERYBODY.

UM, AND THEY LIVE THEIR LIFE ETHICALLY.

THEY WANNA DO THE RIGHT THING.

THEY WANNA DO THE RIGHT STEPS AND TO DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY.

UM, AND IF YOU WANT YOUR COMMUNITY TO IMPROVE, IF YOU WANT BETTER ROADS, IF YOU WANT, UM, IMPROVEMENT, THEN THERE'S NO BETTER FAMILY THAN THE MARKHAMS TO HAVE IN YOUR CORNER TO IMPROVE THAT AREA.

UM, AND MY HOPE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'LL APPROVE THEIR PERMIT.

UM, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE BACK WHEN MY GRANDMA WAS BORN IN PINEDALE AND LIVED THERE, I DOUBT THAT THE PINEDALE ESTATES WAS THERE.

I DOUBT THEIR HOMES WERE THERE.

THINGS IMPROVE HOMES AND THINGS GET BUILT.

AND THAT'S HOW COMMUNITIES GROW, ESPECIALLY IN ARIZONA RIGHT NOW.

IT'S A STATE THAT'S GROWING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HOME.

I HOPE THAT MAY BE SOMEDAY WITH THE, WITH THE VENUE THERE THAT MY CHILDREN CAN GET MARRIED AND THEY CAN HAVE THEIR WEDDING UP THERE, WHERE THEIR ANCESTORS ARE FROM, AND WE CAN ENJOY THAT AREA.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

AND THEN TIMOTHY SHOCKEY.

HI, I, UH, MY NAME'S TIMOTHY SHOCKEY AND UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYTHING'S BEEN SAID.

IT'S, IT'S, I'M GONNA END UP MAYBE BEING REDUNDANT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, I, I, I HAVE EMPATHY ON EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, IN THE PINEDALE ESTATES.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.

UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T ARGUE ANY OF THAT.

UH, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T RESEARCH LEGAL WORK AT, AND, AND THE ONLY TIME I DID THAT IS WHEN I BOUGHT, WHEN MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT PROPERTY THERE IN 2000, WE BOUGHT IT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE WAY IT WAS ZONED.

UH, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE HORSES, WE HAVE EQUINE.

UM, OUR, OUR PARADE GOT RAINED ON, UH, A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH THINGS THAT HAPPEN.

AND IT'S JUST A SIGN OF PROGRESS.

UH, I, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT WASH THAT, THAT IS IN, IN QUESTION AND THAT WE CROSS.

I PERSONALLY MAINTAIN AND TAKE CARE OF THAT WASH.

IT IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

THERE HAVE BEEN MAYBE A HANDFUL OF TIMES OVER 20 YEARS THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO COME OR GO FOR A VERY SHORT TIME.

24 TO 48 HOURS.

UH, ONE TIME THE COUNTY ACTUALLY HELPED ME.

IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY SEVERE AND THE COUNTY WAS THERE GRADING THE ROAD.

THEY HELPED ME ON THAT, UH,

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ON THAT, ON THAT ACCESS.

UH, AND THAT IS A, THAT IS AN LEGAL INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE PROPERTIES DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THERE, NOT TO THE NORTH.

UH, ABOUT ZACH AND ERICA, UH, I MET THEM ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

UM, WE HAD A CONVERSATION.

I FELT REALLY GOOD.

I THOUGHT, THESE ARE GONNA BE GREAT NEIGHBORS.

I THINK THAT THEY ARE STILL GOOD NEIGHBORS.

UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE NEXT DOOR FULL TIME TO BE A TO GOOD NEIGHBOR.

AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE VERY CONSCIOUS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND DOING, GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO ACCOMMODATE THE DOWNSIDES OF WHAT, UM, WHAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT, THE NOISES AND THE, AND THE TRAFFIC.

BUT, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT.

IT, I I'M FOR IT.

UH, I, IT'S ZONED, I BELIEVE NOW.

I DIDN'T LOOK INTO THE LEGALS.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE COMMENTED ON IT.

UM, IF IT'S ZONED FOR IT, THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE ZONING.

I, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S IT, THAT'S ALL I'D LIKE TO SAY.

MELISSA, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER? NO.

SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR, EXCUSE ME.

SO THAT'S ALL THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THAT AND COME NOW BACK BEFORE THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? I, YEAH, I GOT A WHOLE LOT.

I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA GO THROUGH, I WONDERED IF YOU'D HAVE A FEW.

I GUESS THE FIRST THING I'M GONNA DO IS THEY, THEY SENT A LETTER FROM THEIR ATTORNEY, AND I'M GONNA ASK OUR LEGAL COUNSEL IF THEY WOULD RESPOND A LITTLE BIT ON, I GUESS THE PARAGRAPH WHERE CURRENTLY A VACATION RAILROAD SHORT TERM FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT, UH, LICENSE TO GO FORWARD.

AND SO TECHNICALLY FOR THEM HAVING THE EVENTS CURRENTLY, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE AIRBNB CODE OR WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

SO MY QUESTION, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, I GUESS, FOR THE APPLICANT.

WAS THAT YOUR WIFE THAT WAS UP HERE EARLIER? UH, YES.

THAT OKAY.

I COULDN'T GOT CONFUSED BECAUSE SHE SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT RATHER THAN CALLED THE PUBLIC, BUT GOTCHA.

AND SO MY QUESTION, YOU KNOW, SHE SHARED THAT YOU GUYS BOUGHT THIS PLACE ORIGINALLY FOR SOME PLACE TO COME AND TO BE WITH YOUR FAMILY YEP.

AND THAT YOU RESEARCHED THE ZONING AND YOU KNOW THAT IT'S A GENERAL, BUT YET THE PRIOR PEOPLE BUILD A HOUSE, DID THE PROPERTY, BUILD IT AND PUT A RESIDENTIAL UNIT THERE ON IT, THEN THEY CAN'T CONTROL THAT ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY SELL IT TO YOU.

YOU RESEARCHED IT AS SHE SAID, BECAUSE IT'S A PLACE THAT YOU WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO JUST ENJOY.

BUT THEN AT THE SAME WORDS SHE'S SAYING NOW WE WANT TO EXPAND IT INTO HAVING MORE VENUES AND MORE EVENTS, AND WE DECIDED TO TURN IT INTO AN AIRBNB.

SO YOUR INTENT NOW HAS CHANGED FROM JUST A PLACE TO, A PLACE TO MAKE REVENUE? WELL, IT WAS BOTH ALL ALONG.

I MEAN, WE KNEW WE WEREN'T GONNA BE THERE FULL TIME, SO WE KNEW THAT WHEN WE WEREN'T THERE, IT WAS GONNA BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

UM, AND IT WASN'T THE SOLE REASON BECAUSE IT WAS A GENERAL TO BUY IT, IT WAS ONE OF MANY FACTORS THAT WE FELT IT HAD VERY FLEXIBLE ZONING, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO DO MORE THINGS, POTENTIALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY FLEXIBLE ZONING.

AS FLEXIBILITY AS SUCH, BUT NOT A FLEXIBLE ZONING WITHOUT GETTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

CORRECT.

ZONING IS SET, CORRECT? YES.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE ZONING.

UM, JUST WITH THE LIST FROM A GENERAL, THAT LIST, UM, QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT CAN BE BUILT ON A GENERAL, WE FELT LIKE IT DID PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, PROPERTIES IN THE FUTURE OR USES.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, UM, THIS IS A LEARNING CURVE FOR US.

AND WE DIDN'T KNOW.

AND HONESTLY, IT'S WHAT SHE SAID.

WE DIDN'T EVER BUY THIS, UM, FROM DAY ONE SAYING, OH, WE'RE GOING TO CONVERT IT TO A WEDDING VENUE IN TWO YEARS.

IT WAS JUST THAT THE DEMAND WAS SO INCREDIBLE.

UM, EVERYTHING SHE SAID WAS ACCURATE.

I MEAN, THE FIRST YEAR WE TURNED 'EM DOWN WEEK AFTER WEEK AFTER WEEK, AND THEN WE JUST FINALLY REALIZED, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS COULD BE SOMETHING MORE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

WE'VE, UM, LISTED IN OUR PROPOSAL THAT IT WOULD GO FROM, I BELIEVE IT'S APRIL THROUGH OCTOBER.

HOW MANY WEDDINGS DO YOU PLAN ON HAVING?

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UM, AND, UH, IT WOULD JUST BE BASED ON DEMAND AND, UM, THE REQUEST THAT WE GET FOR, IN THE PARAMETERS THAT WE'VE SET.

BUT IN YOUR APPLICATION, YOU TOLD FOR THE, FOR THE PARKING AND FOR THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT THAT YOU'D BE LIMITED TO TWO PER MONTH FROM APRIL TO OCTOBER OR 12 PER YEAR.

AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS SOMETHING IN TALKS FROM THE BEGINNING.

UM, WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOU STATED AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR, UH, TRAFFIC STUDIES BASED UPON.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT WAS A STARTING POINT FOR US.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'LL GO WITH.

AND I MEAN, WE'RE RIGHT NOW, WE WOULDN'T PLAN ON DOING MORE THAN THAT POTENTIALLY.

WE JUST, I KNOW THE DEMAND THAT NOT POTENTIALLY, IF WE LIMIT, IF WE WERE TO PROVE THIS, IF I WERE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, I'D BE LIMITING IT TO A SIX MONTH PROPOSAL FROM APRIL TO THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

AND NO MORE THAN 12 EVENTS AND NO MORE THAN TWO PER MONTH.

WELL, AND WE WILL LIVE BY THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE SET.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GO OUTSIDE OF THAT.

I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, GOING OFF OF THAT BECAUSE, JUST WANNA SHARE ON PAGE, IT'S ON PAGE, UH, MAYBE ONCE 1 27 OF 186 THAT IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, ANOTHER PERSON WHO IS A, WORKS WITH ANOTHER COMMUNITY, A MUNICIPALITY IN THE VALLEY WHO IS A TRAFFIC STUDY ENGINEER, THAT THE EXISTING TRAFFIC COUNT SHOULD HAVE BEEN OBTAINED ON REM ROAD AND TRIP GENERATIONS COMPARED TO EXISTING VOLUMES.

TO SEE THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE TO SAY THERE'S MINIMAL IMPACT WITHOUT THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS IRRESPONSIBLE AT BEST.

IF A LAND USE IS NOT ON THE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, THEN NOTHING IN THE APPLICATION OTHER THAN TRAFFIC MEMO TO INDICATE THE EVENTS WOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO PER MONTH.

SO THE FACT IS THAT THE TRIP GENERATION IS FAIRLY USELESS WITHOUT CONTEXT.

SO, AND THEIR ADVICE WAS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE TODAY, WAS THAT THEY HAVE A STIPULATION OF THE NUMBER BASED UPON WHAT YOU HAVE APPLIED FOR IN THAT STUDY.

SO, OKAY.

LET'S SEE, ANOTHER QUESTION THEN.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO IMPROVE ON BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR? I GUESS THAT'S A CONCERN.

I HEAR, I'VE HEARD QUITE A LOT ABOUT NOISE, ABOUT TRAFFIC.

YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN IN VIOLATION OF THE AIRBNB AND, AND WHAT THE PROPERTY'S POTENTIAL USE IS.

AND SO WHAT I SEE IS BECAUSE YOU'VE VIOLATED THAT AND YOU DON'T WANT TO BE UNDER VIOLATION ANYMORE, YOU'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND.

SO NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT, I'VE GOTTA GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THAT'S NOT EXACTLY HOW IT WENT DOWN.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I HIRED ADVICE FROM AN ATTORNEY THAT LOOKED INTO MY PROPERTY.

AND WHEN IT FIRST WAS AN INITIAL THOUGHT, UM, OF, OF AFTER THE FIRST YEAR WITH ALL THESE REQUESTS, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, I DO BELIEVE YOU CAN, AND WE ONLY ALLOWED FIVE NOW I WANNA POINT OUT IT IS A VACATION RENTAL.

AND WE, THAT FIRST YEAR, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE TURNED DOWN, EVERYBODY THAT ASKED, THERE WAS PEOPLE, THERE WERE GROUPS THAT CAME AND THEY WOULD NOT TELL US THEIR INTENT AND THEY WOULD THROW A WEDDING AND TRY TO DO IT SECRETLY.

UM, AND SO WE DID A COUPLE, WE REALIZED THE FIRST TWO WEDDINGS THAT WERE DONE, IT WAS TOO LOUD.

AND I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO SAY, OKAY, NO MORE PA SYSTEM.

UM, IF THAT'S STILL ADVERTISED, I DO NOT ALLOW IT.

AND YOU COULD, I COULD EVEN SHOW YOU MESSAGES THAT I DO NOT ALLOW ANYBODY TO HAVE ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE ANYMORE, NOR DANCE FLOORS OUTSIDE.

UM, THAT'S WHERE I CAME UP WITH THE PROPOSAL TO JUST THIS GOTTA, THIS HAS TO GO INDOORS, UH, IF THIS IS GONNA BE A LONG-TERM THING.

UM, I WAS NEVER CITED, I WAS NEVER TOLD, YOU'VE GOTTA GO DO THIS.

UM, YOU'RE A BAD PERSON FOR THIS.

I, I, YOU KNOW, WITH HOW IT WAS GOING AND THE REQUESTS WERE STARTING TO REALLY SNOWBALL, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GONNA LOOK INTO THIS AGAIN.

I ACTUALLY CONSULTED A DIFFERENT ATTORNEY AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK YOU SHOULD CALL THE COUNTY IN WHICH I GOT IN CONTACT WITH, I BELIEVE IT WAS CODY, AND HE SAID, YOU SHOULD APPLY FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SO I'VE BEEN DOING THIS ALL, UM, ON MY OWN WILL AND FRUITION AT THIS POINT.

WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A VERY STRONG STUDY ON THE, ON THE SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE PUT IN.

I'LL PROBABLY COME BACK WITH A FEW MORE QUESTIONS HERE, BUT THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING, JUST AS I READ THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND SOME OF THE FACTS, AND ONE THING THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY IS THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.

I THINK ONE PERSON SHARED THAT THE CODE REQUIRES IT TO BE 50 FEET FROM, UH, THE DRAINAGE THAT'S THERE OR THE MORTIS MOR MORTIS, MORSON WASH, I THINK.

AND I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT EROSION IS GONNA CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS DOWNSTREAM IS THE WATER SUPPLY FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT'S ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.

AND SO I THINK IT'S VERY,

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AND IT'D HAVE TO BE SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT, THAT IF IT WAS CAUSING AN ISSUE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TERMINATED.

YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE THINGS THERE.

SO THAT, THAT'S SOME THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, HASH OUT A LITTLE BIT, GET SOME MORE DIRECTION ON.

UH, SEE, I I, I WAS HUMORED A LITTLE, NOT HUMORED, BUT, UH, IT WAS INTERESTING THAT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE APPLICANTS SAID, I'M SUPPOSED TO CONFRONT 20 TEENAGERS WHO PICK FRUIT FROM MY TREES BECAUSE THEY'RE TRESPASSING.

I'M SUPPOSED TO CONFRONT THEM AT 4:00 AM BECAUSE OF THE LOUD MUSIC.

125 PEOPLE ATTENDING A WEDDING PROBABLY EQUALS SIX 60 PARKING SPACES.

125 PEOPLE AT A WEDDING EQUALS AT LEAST 125 FLUSHES.

AND THEY TALK ABOUT THEIR WATER BEING LIMITED AND THAT THERE'S REALLY NOBODY THERE TO FOLLOW UP.

AND SO I KNOW THAT OUR CODE SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE 25 PARKING SPACES BECAUSE THAT'S A COMMON GO TYPE OF THING.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE COMING, YOU'RE NOT COMING AND GOING AND RUNNING INTO WALMART OR BUYING A STORE AND THEN LEAVING.

SO THAT 25 SPACES CAN'T ACCOMMODATE 125 PEOPLE, BUT AT A WEDDING VENUE THAT THEY'RE COMING AND THEY'RE STAYING.

I THINK THAT WE'RE VERY SHORTSIGHTED IF WE THINK THAT THEY'RE GONNA ACCOMMODATE 125 GUESTS WITH 25 PARKING SPACES.

SO, AND I'LL ASK OUR, UH, ACCOUNTING ATTORNEY AGAIN, UH, THIS FILLING IN DATE, CAN WE STIPULATE HIGHER THAN THAT CODE FOR, UH, PARKING SPACES? YES.

UH, SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR, YOU CAN STIPULATE HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE BUILDING AND THE TYPE OF VENUE THAT IT WOULD BE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UH, THE OTHER THING'S BROUGHT UP BY A PERSON WHO USED TO BE A POLICE OFFICER.

HE SAID, WHEN I WAS CALLED OUT TO DO THESE, MOST OF MY CALLS WERE HIGHER THREAT, HIGHER RISK, WHENEVER THERE WAS A WEDDING BECAUSE THERE WAS ALCOHOL, THERE WAS DISTURBANCES, THERE BECAME A CONTENTIOUS SITUATION.

AND HE SAYS, SOME OF MY HIGHEST THINGS THAT I RESPONDED TO WERE WEDDINGS THAT THAT INVOLVED ALCOHOL.

OTHER CONSTITUENTS HAVE SHARED WITH US, PEOPLE COME IN FROM THE VALLEY, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

THEY DRIVE FOUR AND A HALF MILES ON A DIRT ROAD, AND THEN THEY GET ALCOHOL, THEY'RE CONSUMED, THEY GO, OH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM TAKING ANOTHER ONE.

I DROVE IN ON A DIRT ROAD.

I'M NOT GONNA HURT ANYBODY JUST GOING OUT ON DIRT ROAD.

BUT ONCE THEY HIT THE DIRT ROAD, THEY'D EITHER GOTTA GO 25, 20 MILES TO SHALLOW OR 20 MILES TO HE OVER GUARD BEFORE THEY'D HAVE THAT.

SO WE'VE ADDED TO THE RISK OF HIGHWAY SAFETY AND SAFETY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO THOSE ARE SOME RISKS AND SOME CONCERNS THAT I HAD JUST BY LOOKING AT IT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT WOULD AGREE OR NOT AGREE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ALCOHOL ALLOWED ON THE PREMISES FOR THESE VENUES.

DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER? I MEAN, HAVE I SEEN IT IS IT'S A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

CURRENTLY.

PEOPLE CAN BRING ALCOHOL.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, A VACATION AND IF IT'S A WEDDING, UM, I'VE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S UP TO THEIR DISCRETION IF THEY WANT TO HAVE ALCOHOL AT THE WEDDING.

UM, I HAVE NOT PROPOSED BANNING ALCOHOL.

UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I WOULD FORESEE DOING.

NO, BUT THAT'S A STIPULATION THAT WE COULD PROPOSE OR IT COULD BE, UM, SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR.

SO YOU COULD PUT A STIPULATION THAT THERE COULD NOT BE ANY OF THE CELL OF ALCOHOL AND THAT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SPECIFICALLY BAN ALL ALCOHOL ON THE PREMISES OF IT.

IT WOULD SEEM LIKE, UM, THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE, THE AUTHORITY OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO REGULATE, UM, INDIVIDUAL, UM, UH, INDIVIDUAL BEHAVIOR.

BUT AS FAR AS THE APPLICANT AND THE WEDDING VENUE ITSELF, THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD PROHIBIT THE, THE SALE OR USE OF ALCOHOL ON THE WEDDING VENUE.

IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THAT THAT WOULD BE, I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD ALMOST RECOMMEND JUST DENIAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS OPPOSED TO GOING THAT DOWN THAT AVENUE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE CUMBERSOME IN OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DETERMINE HOW ALCOHOL WAS SUPPLIED OR BROUGHT ONTO THE PROPERTY IF THERE, IF IT WAS IN A, IN A WEDDING TYPE OF SITUATION.

UM, MORE THAN, UM, THAT WE, THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ENFORCE.

UM, OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS INDIVIDUALS WHO INDICATED THAT THAT, THAT THEY ARE ADVERTISING A, UM, AN ALCOHOL TRAILER AND ALSO, UH, BARTENDING SERVICES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

YOU COULD PUT STIPULATIONS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THOSE TYPES OF, UM,

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OF SERVICES BEING, UH, PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

BUT I I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD REGULATE, UM, YOU KNOW, UNCLE JIM BRINGING A FLASK TO HIS GRAND TO, YOU KNOW, TO HIS NIECE'S WEDDING KIND OF THING.

THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT.

APPRECIATE THAT.

WHAT DO YOU PUT UP INSIDE THE BUILDINGS TO TALK TO YOU? I WENT TO YOUR REVIEWS, BY THE WAY.

YOU HAVE A VERY LOVELY PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT'S GORGEOUS.

APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU KNOW, I KNEW JERRY HUNTER WHO, WHO BUILT IT, AND IT'S A VERY, VERY LOVELY LED PLACE.

BUT EVEN NEIGHBORS COMPLAINED TO HIM BECAUSE HIS KIDS WERE TOO LOUD PLAYING ON THE GRASS.

AND, AND YET, AND YET WE'RE, WE'RE GOING, UH, YOU KNOW, IN A WHOLE NOTHER DIRECTION HERE, BUT WHAT DO YOU HAVE POSTED? YOU SAID YOU HAVE SIGNS POSTED.

I DIDN'T SEE ANY WHEN I DROVE OUT THERE, BUT ABOUT BEING FRIENDLY TO THE COMMUNITY, ABOUT BEING RESPECTFUL OF THE COMMUNITY PEOPLE.

IS IT IN YOUR BROCHURES YOU GIVE PEOPLE, DO YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF A CURFEW THAT SAYS, HEY GUYS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AROUND HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU, IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE AIRBNBS GET THE BAD RAP BECAUSE THEY TURN INTO ALMOST A FRAT HOUSE AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, YES.

UM, RESIDENTIAL PLACE.

AND IT'S REALLY A SHAME I COULDN'T SHOW MY POWERPOINT BECAUSE I DO HAVE PICTURES OF ALL OF THIS.

BUT YES, WE DO HAVE, UM, FLYERS BY OUR, A LAMINATED, UH, SIGN BY EVERY DOOR AS THEY EXIT OUT.

UM, AND IT, IT ASKS ALL GUESTS TO KEEP NOISE TO A MINIMUM AND TO RESPECT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.

UM, AND IT EVEN SAYS ON IT, UH, NO SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED, ALLOWED OUTSIDE AFTER 6:00 PM UM, AND WHEN I DID MY COMMUNITY MEETING, I GAVE MY NUMBER TO EVERYBODY THERE AND SAID, LOOK, IF SOMEBODY'S LOUD, LET ME KNOW.

I'M NOT HERE JUST TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY PROPERTY AND I'LL DO IT WITH WHAT I WANT.

THAT'S NOT IT.

AND WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, I THINK AT LEAST A COUPLE TIMES WHERE SOMEBODY MESSAGED ME AND SAID, IT'S TOO LOUD.

TIM SHOCKEY LIVES NEXT DOOR.

I MESSAGED HIM, I'M LIKE, IS IT LOUD? AND HE SAYS, YES.

I IMMEDIATELY MESSAGE THE GUESTS AND SAY, YOU GUYS GOTTA TAKE IT INDOORS, OR YOU GOTTA TAKE THE NOISE LEVEL DOWN A LOT.

AND LUCKILY THE GUESTS HAVE BEEN VERY RESPECTFUL TO THAT, UM, EVERY TIME I'VE REQUESTED IT FROM THEM.

IT WAS INTERESTING.

SOME OF YOUR REVIEWS WERE, THIS IS A VERY PEACEFUL AND SERENE PLACE.

THERE ARE THESE EVENTS, THOSE ARE THE TIMES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE THERE.

WE LIKE TO COME HERE FOR THE PEACE AND FOR THE QUIET, YOU KNOW, IS WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PUT IN THE REVIEWS OF IT.

I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE PEOPLE OF, UH, PINEDALE ESTATES THAT ARE RIGHT THERE.

IF YOU GUYS DON'T UNDERSTAND, THIS IS VERY LOW WHERE THIS, UH, HOUSE IS AND EVERYTHING COMES UP AND WE KNOW THAT NOISE GOES UP AND NOT DOWN.

AND THAT'S WHEN IT, SO IT ACTS AS ALMOST A NATURAL AMPHITHEATER, UH, FOR THE PEOPLE THERE YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE DEED RESTRICTIONS.

THEY'RE AN HOA, THEY HAVE DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

MOST OF ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORS ALONG THE OTHER SIDE HAVE CONFORMED AS GOING IN, BUILDING A HOUSE AND BEING THERE.

AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE PINEDALE, I APPRECIATE THIS AND, AND I CAN'T SUMMARIZE THIS, UH, BUT IT'S THERE, THE CALVARY SET UP SHOP YEARS AGO IN, IN, IN TO HELP WITH DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN THERE WAS UNREST IN THE, THE GOVERNMENT AND, AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO SETTLE THIS AREA, YOU'VE GOT A COMMUNITY OF 487 PEOPLE FOR OVER SIX YEARS.

WE HAVE WORKED TO TRY TO GET THE CEMETERY MOVED TWO ACRES SO WE CAN BURY PEOPLE, BUT YET IN A MEETING OF AN HOUR, WE'RE GONNA DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE DESTROY THE PEACE AND TRANQUILITY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD BY ALLOWING A WEDDING VENUE OF, IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAS A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT COULD ALLOW WEDDING VENUES.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WEDDINGS ARE HELD THERE, BUT THE COUNTY JUST JUST SPENT A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF RESTORING AND MAKING THAT A BETTER VENUE.

YOU SAY YOU GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU GIVE BACK TO THINGS THERE.

HAVE YOU, AND, AND IT'S A PERSONAL QUESTION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT, BUT HOW ACTIVE HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY IN HELPING OUT THERE IN PI IN PIONEER DAYS THAT THEY HAVE HELPING OUT IN CONTRIBUTING TO, I KNOW THEY HAVE A GREAT, UH, ST.

PATRICK'S DAY, THEY HAVE A GREAT CHILI COOK OFF.

THEY HAVE, UH, SOME GREAT EVENTS THAT ARE HELPING OR YOU'VE HELPED OUT IN THOSE EVENTS? UH, NO, NOT I HAVE NOT YET.

UM, ONE THING THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED TO DO, AND I KNOW THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WHEN IN CONSULTING WITH THE, UH, COUNTY PLANNING, I CAN'T MAKE IT A QUID PRO QUO AND I DON'T INTEND IT TO BE SO, BUT I KNOW THAT THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT THERE IS WHAT IT IS, IT'S VOLUNTEERS.

UM, AND WE WOULD BE MORE THAN THANKFUL FOR THEM THAN ANYBODY IF THERE WAS EVER A NEED FOR THEIR SERVICES AT OUR PROPERTY.

SO ONE OF OUR IDEAS HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR MANY REVENUE WE RECEIVE FROM AN ACTUAL EVENT, WE WOULD USE THAT AS PARTIAL DONATION, UM, TO HELP FUND THAT SINCE WE KNOW WE MAY NEED THEIR SERVICES AT SOME POINT.

UM, BUT NO, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, I, IT'S A RENTAL RIGHT NOW.

SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN

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AND WE USUALLY AS A FAMILY END UP TAKING THE DATES THAT WE'LL BE THERE FOR A WEEK OR TWO WHEN IT'S JUST REALLY SLOW AND CALM OUT THERE.

I WILL DEFER TO ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT MS. SPEAR, I'M SORRY I'VE TAKEN SO LONG ON THAT, BUT IT'S BEEN TRYING TO DEEP THEIR ALL THROUGHOUT.

I RECEIVED, UM, HIS POWERPOINT FROM THE SECRETARY.

UM, AND THEN I KNOW THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT FIRE AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN'T STATE IT FOR CERTAIN YET, BUT ONCE THIS IS ALL IN BY THE END OF 2025, THEY CAN TEST IT.

SO YOU HAVE THAT.

I DO.

UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, THE REST OF THE BOARD, LIKE TO SEE HIS POWERPOINT, WHAT THAT IS.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO THAT? OKAY.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, SO WE ALL KNOW THIS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS THAT WE'RE IN AT LEAST THE PLAN GOAL ALIGNMENT.

UM, AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO REFER TO EARLIER, THAT WE UNDERSTOOD WHEN WE READ AT LEAST, UM, IN GENERAL WHAT, UH, IS ALLOWED IN A GENERAL ZONING, WHICH THERE WAS A LOT OF USES AND THIS IS WHERE OUR FIRST ATTORNEY CAME FROM WHEN HE IS LIKE, LOOK, THESE HIGHLIGHTED ONES ARE ALL VERY COMMON, UH, USES FOR EVENTS SLASH WEDDINGS.

UM, AND THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.

SO I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AT VENUES THAT ARE IN NAVAJO COUNTY CURRENTLY, AND I KNOW THERE'S MORE THAN THIS, BUT THESE ARE THE TWO MOST EASILY FOUND ON IF YOU JUST GOOGLE WEDDING VENUE, UH, NAVAJO COUNTY OR SHOW LOW OR ANYWHERE AROUND THE AREA.

SO THESE ARE PROBABLY THE MOST POPULAR, AT LEAST FROM GOOGLE SEARCH TERMS. AND SO YOU HAVE THE COMPARISONS HERE, GREENHOUSE AND WOODLAND AND THE GATHERING PLACE.

AND THEN MY PROPERTY LAST.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW, UH, I, I, I'VE ILLUSTRATED A COUPLE KEY POINTS HERE OF DISTANCE TO RESIDENTIAL.

UM, WE'RE ROUGHLY ALMOST DOUBLE TO, UH, THE OTHER TWO.

THEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL ACREAGE.

WE ARE ABOUT DOUBLE THE OTHER TWO VENUES THAT ARE VERY POPULAR UP HERE.

UM, AND THEN THE TOTAL GUESS MAXIMUM, MAXIMUM ATTENDANCE ALLOWED, UM, IN THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES.

UM, AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A, A MODEST PROPOSAL COMPARED TO WHAT THE OTHER ONES WERE ALLOWING.

I DID TAKE A SCREENSHOT FROM THE COUNTY ASSESSOR PAGE.

THERE'S THE GREENHOUSE ON WOODLAND, YOU CAN SEE IT'S SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF RESIDENTIAL AREA, VERY CLOSE TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AS WELL.

UM, SAME THING WITH THE G GATHERING PLACE.

AND THEN YOU HAVE OURS, UH, WHICH I'VE MEASURED OUT THERE AS WELL AS I MENTIONED BEFORE.

AND HERE'S A VIEW FROM OUR LAWN.

AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE STOPPED ANY USE OF LOUD MUSIC OUTDOORS.

UM, AND UH, EVEN WITH OUR GUESTS THAT JUST COME TO STAY, I, UH, WHAT WE TELL THEM NOW IS SOFT CEREMONIAL TYPE STYLE MUSIC.

NOTHING CRAZY.

THIS ISN'T A DANCE PARTY PLACE TO COME OUT AND HAVE FUN OUTDOORS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A MOB OUT THERE.

SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK WESTWARD TOWARDS THE PINE PINEDALE ESTATES AREA, THERE IS A LOT OF FOLIAGE THAT BLOCKS THE VIEW, WHICH PROVIDES A NATURAL BARRIER, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THAT TIME OF YEAR, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO IT FROM APRIL THROUGH OCTOBER AS IT'S PROPOSED NOW.

UM, SO THESE ARE THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP A LOT, OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THE COMMUNITY MEETING.

UM, AND THEN SINCE WE'VE HEARD THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENTS AFTER, SO THERE'S A PICTURE OF THAT SIGN THAT'S BY EVERY SINGLE DOOR ON THE PROPERTY AS YOU EXIT OUT, REMINDING GUESTS TO PLEASE KEEP THE NOISE TO A MINIMUM AND RESPECT, UM, THOSE NEIGHBORS AROUND US.

I DO AUTOMATE A MESSAGE TO EVERY GUEST THAT STAYS THERE, UM, THAT, THAT ASKS THEM TO PLEASE NOT HAVE LOUD NOISE EMITTING DEVICES AND TO KEEP NOISE TO A MINIMUM ON THE PROPERTY WHEN THEY'RE, AND THEN AS I MENTIONED, WE ASK ANYBODY NEARBY TO TEXT ME IF YOU DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S A NOISE ISSUE AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE CARE OF IT AS, AS PART OF THIS EVENT REQUEST, WE WOULD BUILD THAT IN INDOOR BARN VENUE.

SO ANY SORT OF LOUD NOISES WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED INSIDE OF IT.

UM, OUT OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES WOULD HAVE TO END BY 10 O'CLOCK.

AND BECAUSE THIS IS A LIABILITY ON US, WE UNDERSTAND BY UM, HAVING THIS, WE WOULD WANT AN EVENT MANAGER ON SITE TO MAKE SURE THERE IS COMPLIANCE WITH NOISE AND WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

SO AS MENTIONED, UM, WE ALREADY KNOW THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT IT'S A LOCAL FIRM HERE, IRONSIDE ENGINEERING AND DEVELOPMENT, THAT THEY ESTIMATED THIS TO HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT ON RIM DRIVE AS AS THEY, UM, REVIEWED IT.

SO WATER, I KNOW THIS IS ANOTHER BIG CONCERN AND I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH TALKING TO, UH, THE PINEDALE WATER AUTHORITY.

SO THEY DO HAVE A NEW WELL PERMIT, UM, AND IT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE PARTIAL COMPLETION BY SPRING OF 25.

AND THEN BY THE END OF 2025 THEY WILL HAVE THE HOLDING TANK, WHICH WILL RESOLVE ANY OF THE ONGOING, UM, WATER PRESSURE ISSUES THAT PINEDALE THE STATES AND ANYBODY ON THIS COMMUNITY WELL EXPERIENCES CURRENTLY.

I ACTUALLY EVEN JUST DID HAD A CALL LAST WEEK WITH THE, UH, CHAIRMAN OF THE AUTHORITY, UM, MIKE ECKER, AND HE HAD MENTIONED THAT THIS IS ALL ACCURATE.

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AND THAT THEY DO FEEL VERY HOPEFUL THAT THEY'LL HAVE AT LEAST ONE TO TWO FIRE HYDRANTS, UM, WITH THAT, UM, BEING INSTALLED.

SO IF THERE WAS A NEED TO HAVE ANY FURTHER CONCERN ABOUT WATER ISSUES, UM, AND I THINK THIS KIND OF DOUBLES AS ONE OF THE SEPTIC CONCERNS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.

UM, WELL I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND.

BUT WE, UH, ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO PUT A HOLDING TANK WITH A BOOSTER PUMP SO WE'RE NOT, UM, DRAINING THE WATER PRESSURE ISSUE THAT, UH, BECOMES PRESENT AT TIMES.

AND THEN TO GO TO THAT, UH, POTENTIAL SEPTIC UM, SLASH WATER ISSUE.

ACTUALLY ONE OF THE VENUES, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT IS, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.

THEY HAVE ONE OF THOSE NICER LOOKING ROLL ON, UM, PORTA POTTY TYPE SETUPS.

UM, SO THAT, UH, WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO TAP ON TAP INTO THE WATER SYSTEM ESSENTIALLY.

AND THAT COULD BE ANOTHER REMEDY FOR, UH, SEPTIC CONCERNS.

AND THEN OF COURSE, BUILDING THE PROPERTY, WE'VE ALL LOW WATER USAGE AMENITIES.

SO I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A LOT.

WE DO COMMUNICATE WITH ALL OF OUR GUESTS CURRENTLY THAT THEY NEED TO FOLLOW OUT ALL APPLICABLE LAWS.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO OFF-ROAD VEHICLES, WE DO NOT RENT OUT VEHICLES NOR DO WE EVER INTEND TO.

UM, AND FIRE, I KNOW THERE WAS SOMEBODY MENTIONING ABOUT, UH, FIRE PITS OUTSIDE.

WE HAVE ONE FIRE PIT ON THE PROPERTY.

IT'S IN GROUND, IT'S SURROUNDED BY A CEMENT AREA AND IT'S VERY CLEAR IN OUR RULES THAT IS THE ONLY DESIGNATED FIRE FIRE SPACE OUTSIDE FOR OUR GUESTS TO USE.

AND IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING WITH EVENTS.

WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THEM TO COME OUT AND BRING FIRE PITS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

UM, FOR US AND OUR PROPERTY, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT WANT THAT AS A, AS A CONCERN AS WELL.

UM, SO THE ONLY THING THAT WE MAY ALLOW WOULD BE THOSE TYPE OF, UM, PROPANE TYPE HEATERS, WHICH WOULD NOT BE AN OPEN TYPE FIRE PIT.

UM, THAT IS MY POWERPOINT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR POWERPOINT.

UM, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION ON THE FIRE PIT.

ONE OF THE THINGS, AND YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE OF THIS, BUT JUST IN CASE NOT, IT'S IMPORTANT WE TALK ABOUT IT.

SO, UM, THE FIRE PIT CONCERNS ME, BUT IT DOESN'T CONCERN ME AS MUCH.

IF YOU HAVE PROPER COMMUNICATION TO YOUR PEOPLE ABOUT WE MOVE INTO TIMES OF THE YEAR WHERE THERE CAN'T BE, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU HAVE IT ON YOUR PROPERTY OR NOT, THERE CAN'T BE ANY OPEN FIRES IN THOSE THINGS.

HOW DO YOU OR WILL YOU COMMUNICATE TO PEOPLE TO ALLOW THEM TO KNOW? 'CAUSE THAT PART, THAT TYPE OF PARTNERSHIP WE WOULD APPRECIATE.

WE TRY TO DO ALL WE CAN TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHEN, WHEN IT'S A RED FLAG WARNING, WHICH MEANS NO FIRES AND THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS THAT EACH OF THE DIFFERENT STAGES MEAN.

DO YOU, ARE YOU AWARE OF THOSE? YES.

AND HOW DO YOU COMMUNICATE 'EM? SO THAT IS ONE OF THE, THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT GO OUT IS WHERE THE FIRES ARE ALLOWED.

SO WE HAVE TWO INDOOR FIREPLACES AND THEN THE ONE OUTDOOR FIRE PIT.

SO IT'S VERY CLEAR TO ANY GUEST THAT COMES NOW.

AND WE ALSO MENTION IN THAT IF THERE IS A FIRE RESTRICTION, WE WILL LET YOU KNOW IMMEDIATELY THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE FIRES DURING YOUR STAY.

AND DEPENDING ON HOW SEVERE THESE RESTRICTION IS, UM, THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ALLOWED BOTH INDOOR OR OUTDOORS.

AND LUCKILY FOR US, UM, OUR NEIGHBOR, TIM SHOCKEY, WHO MENTIONED HELPS, UM, OVERSEE OUR PROPERTY BEING SO CLOSE TO US.

HE, UH, IS A FORMER VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, A FIREFIGHTER AS WELL.

AND SO HE'S VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THIS AND HE LETS ME KNOW IN A SECOND IF THERE IS ANY SORT OF RELEASE OF, OF NEWS OF A RESTRICTION, BUT I ALSO HAVE ALERTS THAT I GET AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE GO OUT TO GUESTS.

BUT YES, WE'RE VERY VIGILANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS NOT A CONCERN.

WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE AND WE WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT.

UH, THAT'S WHY I SAY, I MEAN THERE'S CERTAIN RULES ALREADY IN PLACE THAT PROHIBIT FIRES DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR AND THAT SHOULD APPLY EVERYWHERE, BUT OKAY.

UH, WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE? I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF 'EM REAL QUICK AND THEY'RE JUST CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR ME.

UM, SO REAL QUICK ON THE A HOA WHAT I FEEL LIKE THE CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENED WITH YOU WAS THAT IT'S YOUR OPINION THAT IT IS THAT CURRENTLY IT IS IN VIOLATION OF THE HOA RIGHT? UH, NOT THE HOA, BUT THE, UM, THE ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES THAT REGULATE, UM, UM, AIRBNBS AND SHORT TERM RENTALS.

SO ON THAT WOULD, OBVIOUSLY THAT CHANGES THING THEN.

'CAUSE IF IT IS THAT THEN WE DO HAVE SOME AUTHORITY THERE AND RESPONSIBILITY AROUND MAKING SURE THEY FOLLOW THAT.

YEAH, SO IF THEY'RE, IF IF IT'S JUST A RESIDENTIAL USE, SORRY, CHAIRMAN, IF, IF IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE, THEY, UM, WE ARE UNABLE TO REGULATE THE, THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES.

BUT BECAUSE THE, WHEN THEY HOST A WEDDING VENUE, IT FALLS OUTSIDE THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, NATURE OF THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN ORDER TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THAT.

SHORT TERM, OR EXCUSE ME, IF THEY HAD, UM, A WEDDING OR WERE USING IT AT FOR A COMMERCIAL VENUE, THEN THEY WOULD, UH, BE IN VIOLATION OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT, UH, REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ACCORDING TO OUR CODE.

AND SO IF THEY'RE, IF THEY ARE HAVING, OR HAVE HAD THEM IN THE PAST WHERE THEY HAD, UM,

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THAT ANSWERS THAT.

THIS OTHERS FIRST STAFF, THE QUESTION, PARKING SPACES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP NUMEROUS TIMES, INCLUDING BY SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF SPACES.

UM, THE NUMBER IS 25 THAT'S BEING USED.

I THINK SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR, UM, WAS TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR MAYBE EVEN MORE 'CAUSE OF THE, DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS AROUND THE PARKING SPACES AND WHY OR WHY NOT? UH, AT THIS TIME WE WOULDN'T HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE PARKING SPACES THEMSELVES.

OUR PARKING SPACES ARE BASED ON OUR ORDINANCE AS WELL AS THE IBC.

IT WILL TAKE THE STRICTER OF THE TWO WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE BUILDING PERMITS.

SO IT'S TYPICAL FOR ANY PLACE OF GATHERING THAT IT'S ONE FOR EVERY FIVE GUESTS ACCOMMODATED.

HOWEVER WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE WANT FOR AN INCREASE IF YOU'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT POTENTIALLY CATERERS OR OTHERWISE.

UM, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT PLACES OF ASSEMBLY, THAT WILL COVER, UM, CHURCHES, UH, LARGE VENUES LIKE BINGO HALLS AND OTHERWISE, AND IT, UH, WE'VE YET TO SEE TOO MANY PARKING SPACES THERE.

TYPICALLY OUR PARKING IS SLIGHTLY MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN IT MIGHT NEED TO BE.

UH, IT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT OUTDATED, BUT WITH THIS HERE, WE COULD SEE THIS AS BEING THE, THE PROPER THRESHOLD, BUT AN INCREASE WOULDN'T BE UNWELCOME FOR SURE.

THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

DID YOU, OH, GO AHEAD.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

IN, IN THIS THERE ARE 13 I GUESS CONDITIONS OR 14 CONDITIONS.

ONE OF THAT IS A TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, THAT WOULD BE CONDUCTED IF THE GRANTED OR IS THE SPECIAL PERMIT IS GRANTED.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CURRENT TRAFFIC STUDY NOW, DO, DID WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT IS? YEAH, SO WE DID HAVE THAT REVIEWED AND THAT WAS REVIEWED BY OURSELVES AS WELL AS PUBLIC WORKS.

UM, THIS IS TYPICAL OF ANY SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT UPON THE GRANTING THERE NEEDS TO BE A FINALIZED TRAFFIC STUDY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, UM, AS SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR HAD BROUGHT UP IF THERE WAS A LIMITATION ON THE AMOUNT OF EVENTS OR OTHERWISE.

UM, SO WE HAVE RECEIVED, AND THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED FOR THE PRELIMINARY, BUT THERE WOULD'VE TO BE A FINAL ACCEPTED STUDY BEFORE MOVING TO ANY CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROPERTY.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

SORRY.

THE BARN IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 4,200 SQUARE FEET, CORRECT? YES.

AND DESCRIBE THAT BARN A LITTLE BIT.

ARE YOU INTENDING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, HOW'S IT GONNA BE BUILT AND YEAH, SO, UM, THEY HAVE THESE KITS THAT THEY MAKE THESE OUT OF AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS AN EASILY, UH, ATTAINABLE DIMENSION FOR US.

SO THEY COME IN, UH, THESE BIG LOGS BASICALLY, AND THEY'RE BASICALLY LIKE PUTTING A LINCOLN LOG SET TOGETHER.

UM, AND THEY'RE MEANT FOR THINGS LIKE THIS FOR EVENT BARNS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UM, AND UH, IT WOULD BE BASICALLY A BIG OPEN HALL, UM, THAT, UH, AS WE HAVE IT PROPOSED NOW, THE BATHROOMS WOULD ACTUALLY JUST BE ON THE OUTSIDE OF, UM, I THINK IT'S THE WEST SIDE OF THE, THE BUILDING.

SO THERE'D BE KIND OF A, AN EXIT TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO OUTSIDE AND USE THE RESTROOM.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'D JUST BE A, A LARGE OPEN WILL BE AIR CONDITIONED AND HEATED, CORRECT? YES.

SO YEAH, I WAS ONE MY CONCERNS, YOU GET IN THERE, GET HOT AND START OPENING THE DOORS AND THINGS.

NO.

SO JUST BE, YOU KNOW, A PROVISION THERE.

ABSOLUTELY.

BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA, THEY LIKE TO SLEEP WITH THEIR WINDOWS OPEN SO THEY CAN GET THE COOL AIR AND AND THINGS THAT WAY.

TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD.

AND TO ADD TO THAT, UM, I'M NO GENERAL CONTRACTOR, BUT UH, IN THE LITTLE RESEARCH I'VE DONE AND TALKING TO A COUPLE, I'VE SAID I WANNA NOISE PROOF AS MUCH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE INTO THAT.

AND UH, THEY HAVE THROWN SOME IDEAS OUT OF HOW TO FURTHER NOISE PROOF IT YET, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CONCRETE YET.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THIS, UH, IF I COULD, I, THERE'S, AND I'D LIKE TO OPEN THIS UP FOR A LITTLE DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD, BUT WE'RE STILL, I'LL WAIT TILL YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WE, WE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

CLOSED.

A WEDDING, BEING A CORPORATE, ANY, ANY VENUE THAT A SPECIAL USE WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR, THE MAXIMUM THEY CAN HAVE IS 12 DURING THAT SIX MONTH PERIOD.

I GUESS MY QUESTION HERE, HERE WOULD BE SOME OF THE CONDITIONS, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, SOME OF THE CONDITIONS, I KNOW WE GOT 14 LISTED HERE, BUT I'M GONNA BE A REAL STICKLER THAT SAYS IF PERMITTED JUICE IS NOT UTILIZED, THAT THAT A STICKLER, THAT IT'S LIMITED TO 12 EVENTS DURING, FROM APRIL 1ST TO SEPTEMBER 30TH.

AND THAT'S WHETHER IT BE

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TO ME, THAT GIVES THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA KNOWING THAT THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE 12 EVENTS OR 12 NIGHTS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SLEEP VERY WELL, AS OPPOSED TO A POTENTIAL.

AND I, AS I UNDERSTAND, THESE CONDITIONS DON'T APPLY, WOULDN'T APPLY TO THE RESIDENTIAL IF IT'S JUST BEING RENTED OUT.

IT'D ONLY BE WHEN IT'S A VENUE, UH, TYPE THING.

UH, I APPRECIATE WHAT HE'S DOING TO TRY TO LIMIT THE NOISE DOWN, BUT I ALSO, I WOULD CHANGE CONDITION ON NUMBER 14 HERE, THAT YES, I'M NOT GONNA GIVE THIS GUY A FIVE YEAR, UH, AND MAYBE WE CAN'T, BUT I THINK A ONE YEAR EVERY YEAR THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK IN TO, TO BE, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROVED, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN COMPLIANT.

AND INSTEAD OF FIVE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GOING IN, IF WE WAS GOING INTO THIS WITH A CLEAN BILL AND NO COMPLAINTS, BUT WHEN WE HAVE 65 TO 70 RESIDENTS THAT AROUND THERE HAVE ALREADY HAD ISSUES, THEN THAT'S THE CONCERN.

SO I REALLY FEEL THAT, THAT WE WANT TO CONTROL THAT AND THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND AT WHAT POINT DO WE PULL THIS CONDITIONAL USE? IS IT ONE, IS IT TWO, IS IT THREE? IS IT FOUR COMPLAINTS? BUT, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO EITHER DECIDE OR KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS, PUTS IT IN NON-COMPLIANCE, HOW MANY COMPLAINTS DOES IT HAVE TO TAKE OR, OR VIOLATIONS OF HAVING TOO MANY EVENTS.

BUT I THINK IT'S JUST, WE HOLD TO THAT.

ANY SUGGESTIONS THERE? YEAH.

SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD, UM, RECOMMEND AGAINST PUTTING IN THERE THE NUMBER OF STIPULATIONS.

I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE THE REVIEW EVERY YEAR ANNUALLY, UH, WOULD BE ENOUGH.

AND THEN YOU WOULD THAT, THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD HAVE WITHIN THEIR PURVIEW.

'CAUSE SOMETIMES THERE MIGHT BE AN EGREGIOUS ONE, ONE THAT WOULD CAUSE IT TO, UH, YOU, YOU NOT TO WANNA RENEW IT.

OR THERE COULD BE 10 THAT ARE, UM, INSIGNIFICANT THAT YOU MAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COULD BE DEALT WITH.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND AGAINST PUTTING A SPECIFIC NUMBER IN THERE, BUT I WOULD, IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT THIS, TO BE RENEWED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THAT'S COMPLETELY WITHIN YOUR AUTHORITY.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, WHETHER IT'S IN COMPLIANCE AND, AND THE OVERALL STANDARD FOR THIS IS JUST IF IT'S IN THE, IF IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.

SO, UM, IT WOULD STILL FALL BACK ON THAT.

AND THEN I'M GONNA PUT, UH, RESTRICTIONS OF THE PARKING.

THAT THE PARKING, THERE'LL BE NO PARKING ON THE, THE HIGHWAY, OR NOT THE HIGHWAY, BUT THE, THE MAIN ACCESS ROAD THERE.

AND THERE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 40 PARKING SPACES DESIGNATED.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY AND HAVE THINGS THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE PROBABLY ANOTHER 20 SPACES OR SO THERE.

12 EVENTS TO A MONTH, BECAUSE THE MATH, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GOT YOUR MATH, THEY TALKED ABOUT WHAT MONTHS THEY'D BE OPEN AND THAT ALLOWED 12, SO SIX MONTHS.

AND THEN THAT YOUR CURFEW AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY AN EVENT NEEDS TO LAST FROM 12:00 PM TO TO 10:00 PM BUT I KNOW THEY START AND STOP AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

SO I THINK 10:00 PM IS, IS ADEQUATE.

UH, BUT ALSO THE LOUD MUSIC, ANY LOUD MUSIC NEEDS TO BE PRODUCED CANNOT BE OUTDOORS.

AND I LIKE THAT STIPULATION THAT WE HAVE.

BUT THAT'S WHAT I DON'T SEE HERE.

AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE IT A PART OF THE CONDITION IS THAT WE, THAT THE SEWER, AND I'M NOT GONNA BE IN FAVOR OF, UH, PORTA-POTTIES BEING USED.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD HEALTH MESSAGE TO SEND.

AND MY LAST THING HERE IS TO THE BOARD, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL 'CAUSE THIS IS SETTING A PRECEDENCE.

AND THERE COULD BE SOMEBODY TOMORROW THAT WANTS TO PUT ONE OF THESE AND LINDEN WANTS TO PUT ONE OF THESE AND HEBREW WANTS TO PUT ONE HERE OR THERE.

IT DOESN'T FIT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY, JUST TO ME, IT DOESN'T MEET WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE EITHER.

BUT TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE IT FIT WOULD REQUIRE A WHOLE LOT OF CONDITIONS TO STIPULATIONS.

AND THEN IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO REGULATE, UH, THE SIDE OF IT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I, I FEEL WITH IT.

UM, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

SO THOSE STIPULATIONS, THE NEW, THE NEW, BECAUSE YOU WERE HIGHLIGHTING SEVERAL OF 'EM, AND I'M LOOKING AT THOSE NOW.

SO THEY WERE JUST HIGHLIGHTING THEM, BUT THERE'S ALSO SEVERAL NEW ONES.

IF I HEARD CORRECTLY, THE NEW ONES BEING, UM, THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NO PARKING.

I'M GONNA SIMPLIFY WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD, BUT NO PARKING OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY.

IT CAN'T BE ON THE ROADWAY, IT CAN'T BE OFF THEIR PROPERTY.

UM, THAT IT'S AN ANNUAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHERE THEY COME BACK ANNUALLY, UM, THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT BASED ON THE INITIAL STUDY.

THE NEW STUDY COULD SHOW MORE, BUT, BUT BASED ON THE INITIAL STUDY, ONLY

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AND THEN YOU TALKED ABOUT 40 PARKING SPACES VERSUS WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.

IT NEEDS TO BE SET UP FOR 40.

YEAH, WE, WE HAD, UH, PREVIOUSLY HAD 25, AND SO THIS TAKES IT TO 40.

SO 40 AND THEN THAT IT NEEDS TO BE COMPLIANT, WHICH I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD HAVE TO ANYWAYS.

BUT AS FAR AS FOR SEWER OR THE SEPTIC SYSTEM WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT FOR IT.

THAT THE, WHICH THIS IS NOW A QUESTION.

USING PORTA POTTIES WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED BY YOU A SOLUTION FOR OUR REQUIREMENTS, CORRECT? NOT TYPICALLY.

NO CHAIRMAN, UH, IN THAT CASE, WE TYPICALLY WILL ALLOW THOSE IF REVIEWED BY PUBLIC HEALTH FOR SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS FOR ONETIME EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHERE THERE MIGHT NOT BE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND MEANS.

BUT FOR THE LONG TERM, THE PREFERRED IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE TO HAVE THE, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM OR THE SEWER CONNECTION THERE.

UM, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT IF, IF THAT BUILDING CONTAINS ANY FIXTURES, WE DO HAVE A DELEGATION WITH A DEQ THAT REQUIRES THAT THERE WILL BE A SEPTIC ACCORDING TO THE, THE LAYOUT AND WHAT'S WITHIN THAT BUILDING.

SO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM HAS TO BE COMPLIANT FOR WHAT IT'S BEING USED FOR.

AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING CONTEMPLATED, IF THEY CHOSE TO USE, UM, PORTA POTTIES OR WHATNOT, IT WOULD SIMPLY BE AT THEIR DISCRETION AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF WHATEVER'S GOING ON THERE BUT NOT REQUIRED OR, OR A SOLUTION ON OUR SIDE OF IT.

CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THE BOARD CAN ALWAYS MANDATE THAT THERE NOT BE THE USAGE OF PORTA JOHNS ON SITE, BUT ANY FACILITY BUILT ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY WITH OUR DELEGATION DOES REQUIRE AN ADEQUATE SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR THAT FACILITY SUPERVISOR.

SEYMOUR, DID I MISS ANY OF THE NO.

AND JUST THAT IT IS GONNA BE LIMITED TO FROM APRIL TO SEPTEMBER, NO MORE THAN 12, TWO PER MONTH, TOTAL OF 12 FOR THE YEAR MAXIMUM VENUE EVENTS.

WITH THOSE NEW PROPOSED ONES, DO YOU HAVE ANY, DOES STAFF HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE NEW PROPOSED ADDITIONS? STAFF WOULD NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THOSE ADDITIONS TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

THOSE ARE ALL ENFORCEABLE THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR US.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, CHAIRMAN, DID, UH, SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR, WOULD YOU WANT THIS TO BE THE, UM, UH, THE, THE ANNUAL REVIEW TO BE DONE BY STAFF OR TO BE, OR AT EVERY TIME IT HAS TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? SO IF IT COMES BEFORE, IF THERE'S NO COMPLAINT AND THERE'S NOT ANY ISSUES, OUTSTANDING ISSUES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE JUST AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED AND UM, OR HOW WOULD YOU LIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE EVERY YEAR FOR THEM THAT TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? I'D LIKE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE PARKING.

UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THERE'S JUST A SUGGESTION THAT WE SAY A MINIMUM OF 40 AND HAVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY ALSO ADDRESS THAT TO DETERMINE, UM, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES NEED TO BE PROVIDED.

THAT'S A SUGGESTION.

IF, IF THERE WAS COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS, UM, AND THEY ARE, AND THE BOARD WAS GOING TO, UM, TO LOOK AT THE REVOCATION OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD.

AS PART OF THAT, THANK YOU.

IS YOUR INTENT JUST BASICALLY NOT TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY? SO WE'RE SAYING AT A MINIMUM, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THAT TRAFFIC STUDY ADDRESSES AND NEEDS MORE NEEDS, THEN WE'RE GONNA GO TO THAT MORE.

WE'RE NOT GONNA GO TO THE LESSER.

UM, SO LEGAL, NOTHING ELSE FROM YOU ON CONCERNS ON THOSE STAFF? DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS? SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR, DO YOU MIND IF WE ASK THE APPLICANT, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THE APPLICANT HAS CONCERNS WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS AND WHY? IF THEY DO, I AM NOT OVERLY CONCERNED WITH THE STIPULATIONS.

I'M HAPPY TO ABIDE BY 'EM.

I WILL DO MY BEST TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE IF IT IS SOME SORT OF FINITE, UM, COMPLAINT OR WHAT, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE THERE'S QUITE A FEW IN OPPOSITION.

MY CONCERN WOULD BE THERE'D BE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FOR ANYTHING NO MATTER WHAT.

IF THERE'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, A DECIBEL ABOVE NOISE THAT SHOULDN'T BE MADE, I, IT'S GONNA JUST MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO NAVIGATE IF IT GETS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THERE'S A COMPLAINT THAT MAY NOT BE FOUNDED.

ULTIMATELY.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

SO THERE, BUT THE YOU'RE FINE WITH EVERYTHING OTHER THAN THAT.

I, I CAN LIVE WITH ALL OF THAT.

I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO.

UM, I JUST DON'T WANT A SET A PRECEDENCE OF, YOU KNOW, JUST PEOPLE MAKING COMPLAINTS TO MAKE COMPLAINTS AND SHUTTING ME DOWN EVERY YEAR.

YEAH, UNDERSTOOD.

I THINK THAT'S WHY LEGAL CITED NUMBER, THE NUMBER OF THEM TO ME WOULD WEAPONIZE THAT MM-HMM .

AND CAUSE IT TO BE LIKE, HEY, THAT'S HOW WE CAUSE IT.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY YOU CITED PROBABLY NOT THE NUMBER, BUT HOW EGREGIOUS THE COMPLAINTS ARE AND THAT THEY'RE VALID, THAT THE COMPLAINTS ARE VALID.

UM, DID THAT SEEM TO ALIGN FOR YOUR CONCERN? YEAH, YEAH.

AS LONG AS THAT'S IN PLACE, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ABIDE BY EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID.

WOULD YOU CLARIFY CHAIRMAN? SURE, PLEASE.

SO, SO JUST, UM,

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SO THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S HONESTLY, IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE, THAT, THAT THE BOARD IS DOING ANYTHING, UM, ABOVE AND BEYOND, UM, WHAT WOULD, WHAT OUR CODE ALREADY ALLOWS US TO DO.

UH, BECAUSE IF THERE WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS THAT WENT TO OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT AND THEY SAID THAT YOU'RE OUT OF VIOLATION OF ONE THROUGH 14 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN WE COULD INSTIGATE THE REVOCATION PROCESS.

AND THEN THE BOARD AT THAT POINT WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE VALIDITY OF THOSE COMPLAINTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND ALL THIS DOES IS THERE'S JUST AN AUTOMATIC, UM, YOU KNOW, TRIGGERING MECHANISM THAT ONCE A YEAR IN DECEMBER THAT THE BOARD'S GONNA LOOK AT THAT AND WEIGH THOSE.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PUTTING ANY KIND OF UNDUE BURDENSOME ON YOU OR YOUR PROPERTY 'CAUSE THAT THAT REMEDY'S ALREADY AVAILABLE TO THE, UH, TO THE, THE, UH, RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA.

IT'S JUST THAT WHAT SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR'S ASKING IS THAT THAT ACTUALLY COMES BEFORE US SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT, UM, WITHOUT THAT BEING A COMPLAINT DRIVEN OR THE REVOCATION PROCESS HAVE TO BE INSTIGATED BY THOSE COUNTY.

SO YEAH.

YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT AND I WANT TO ADD MAYBE ONE REQUEST TO THAT BECAUSE IT IS GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD THIS BARN.

UM, AND IF EVERY YEAR I'M SITTING ON PINS AND NEEDLES THAT IT'S GONNA GET REVOKED, UH, THAT'S A HEFTY INVESTMENT TO MAKE, TO GET TAKEN AWAY IN A YEAR OR TWO.

UM, IS THERE ANY WAY TO SAY THE FIRST YEAR, ONE YEAR AND THEN AFTER THAT CAN GO TO THE FIVE NORMAL FIVE YEAR TYPE THAT'S WITHIN THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD, BUT WOULD IT HAVE TO BE AT THE NEXT? YEAH, AND I, AND I THINK I I I KNOW THAT YOU INDICATE THAT IT WOULD BE A VERY EXPENSIVE, I THINK IT, THE BOARD LOOKS AT IT AS, AS A VERY EXPENSIVE INCENTIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT, THAT YOU'RE COMPLIANT.

SO, OKAY.

AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, SORRY.

OH, I THINK THAT'S, UH, THE WHOLE REASON WE WANT YOU TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE DIFFICULT, BUT I'VE GOT A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE I'M TRYING TO COMPROMISE SITUATION.

AND JUST TO SPEAK TO THEM FOR A MINUTE, I THINK THIS IS HOPEFULLY A BEST INTEREST OF HOW TO CONTROL THE THINGS THAT GO ON THERE, THAT WE HAVE A PLACEMENT IN MEASURE THAT HE DOESN'T BECOME IN VIOLATION OF.

BUT THROUGH WORKING TOGETHER, WE CAN BE HOPEFULLY WORK TOGETHER AND IT CAN BE A, I DON'T KNOW, IT CAN BE HABITABLE TOGETHER.

IT'S NOT AN IDEAL THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

BUT AT THE SAME THING, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT, I'M GONNA HOLD YOU TO THE, TO THE LINE TO MAKE IT AS ENJOYABLE FOR THE CITIZENS THAT ARE THERE.

BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY AM I PERCEIVE IT TO BE A LITTLE, A FAR REACH.

AND, AND JUST ONE LAST CONCERN THEN IS OBVIOUSLY IT'S KIND OF BEING USED SIMULTANEOUSLY AS VACATION RENTALS AND AN EVENT .

I CAN SEE THAT GETTING MIXED UP A LOT WITH COMPLAINTS.

UM, I I GUESS THAT WOULD JUST BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE NEXT BOARD MEETING TO CLARIFY THAT THAT WASN'T AN ACTUAL EVENT.

THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A RENTER THAT WAS THE ONE BEING LOUD OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

I MEAN, IS THAT HOW I UNDERSTAND THAT? I WOULD, I WOULD, ONE THING I WOULD SUGGEST, AND I, I APPRECIATE THE SITUATION THAT YOU'RE IN, BUT IT, IT REALLY WOULD PUT THE WEIGHT OF IT BACK ON YOU MM-HMM .

TO LIMIT THAT AND FIND WAYS TO MITIGATE AND MANAGE THAT SO THAT THE CONFUSION, IT'S, YEAH.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM THAT YOU ARE GONNA HAVE AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH ARE COMPLIANT AND CAN COHABIT TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BOTH OF THOSE, NOT JUST THE ONE.

AND SO THIS GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE BEING, THAT THOSE, THE EXPERIE IS GOOD.

YOU OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE TO TRY TO CITE AND SHOW, HEY, THIS IS THE, THE, UH, THE RENTER, NOT THE, NOT THE EVENT, BUT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, JUST AS MUCH CONSIDERATION ON THE ONE SIDE TO BE CONSIDERATE ON THE OTHER ONE WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

UM, WHICH IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE, BOTH YOU AND YOUR WIFE, AT LEAST WHAT YOU'RE VERBALIZING HERE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S YOUR INTENT.

ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, THE, THE, THE THING IS EVENTS ARE A LOT EASIER 'CAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY HIRED TO STAND THERE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE.

I CAN'T BE THERE EVERY SECOND, YOU KNOW, WITH A MANAGER FOR A RENTER.

SO THAT JUST MAY, YOU KNOW, TIME, LIKE I SAID, FROM TIME TO TIME THERE MAY BE SOME THAT'S JUST LOUD AND I GOTTA, YOU KNOW, TELL 'EM TO BE QUIET AND I JUST DON'T WANT THAT TO, TO DING ME.

'CAUSE IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFORT TO, TO JUST MAKE SURE THEY'RE STAYING IN COMPLIANCE AS A RENTER.

I GUESS YOU BETTER HAVE A NOISE DEPOSIT , RIGHT? BE REFUNDABLE.

THEY'RE NOT, YOU'RE RIGHT.

ASSURE YOU THAT THAT WILL BE DONE.

SO THAT SIDE OF IT.

BUT, BUT YES, I WILL DO EVERYTHING IN MY, MY POWER AND I CAN

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ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO, NOT HEARING SUPERVISOR WEISINGER, ARE YOU ABOUT TO SAY? SO? NO.

WELL, I GUESS IN COMMENT, AND I, I, I GET A FEELING OF WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO ON THIS, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANNA SAY, CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU, IS THAT, UM, I KNOW OFTENTIMES I, I APPRECIATE WHEN THE PUBLIC COMES AND SHARES YOUR CONCERNS.

UM, TO ME THAT'S VALID AND IMPORTANT.

AND I THINK THAT I APPRECIATE WHERE SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR IS COMING FROM BECAUSE HE HEARS THOSE CONCERNS.

AND IT REALLY IS ABOUT HOW DO WE CREATE, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHO OWNS THEIR PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT PROPERTY, UM, THE WAY THAT THEY WOULD, BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST THE SAME, THE SAME THING.

AND I UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE IN A SENSE OF, WE AS PROPERTY OWNERS, THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE OUR PROPERTIES HOWEVER WE CHOOSE TO USE THAT LAND.

AND SO WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL, UM, WHO HAS THAT SAME DESIRE.

AND SO TRYING TO CREATE, MEET IN THE MIDDLE AND BE ABLE TO VALIDATE BOTH THE, THE CONCERNS WE HAVE HEARD YOU, UM, AND YOUR CONCERNS ARE IMPORTANT.

AND SO IN THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE STIPULATIONS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD, THAT THOSE CHANGES HAVE COME BECAUSE OF YOUR VOCALIZATION AND THE TIME THAT YOU TOOK TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH US WHY, WHY THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.

UM, SO I, I WANT TO EXTEND, I GUESS MY APPRECIATION TO YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WHY ONE PINEDALE IS SO IMPORTANT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION AND ONE, YOUR COMMUNITIES.

UM, I KNOW THAT YOU, WE ALL CHOOSE TO LIVE IN RURAL NAVAJO COUNTY FOR A REASON.

AND UM, SO IF WE CAN BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND HELP ONE ANOTHER, UM, TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE.

AND SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND UM, I APPRECIATE, UM, SUPERVISOR SEYMOURS LEADERSHIP AND BEING ABLE TO HEAR THAT AND TRY TO COME TO CONSENSUS.

SO THANK YOU.

LIKE IT'S JUST RUBBER STAMPED AND PUT THROUGH.

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU SUPERVISOR WEINGER.

I'LL ECHO KIND OF SOME OF HER COMMENTS.

I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, I HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU REALIZE, UM, WHAT A GOOD SUPERVISOR YOU HAVE.

THE FACT THAT HE WENT OUT, LOOKED AT IT PERSONALLY, SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY READING THROUGH ALL THE MATERIALS AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT HE TRULY UNDERSTOOD WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND THEN HOW BEST TO BE ABLE TO, UM, FIND A WAY FORWARD.

AND AS SUPERVISOR WEISINGER STATED, UH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF PUT TOGETHER.

THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR TRYING TO FIND STIPULATIONS THAT WOULD MAKE IT WORK BETWEEN EVERYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THIS.

I KNOW THAT'S PART OF YOUR GOAL, UM, AS WELL AS TRYING TO MAKE SURE TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL ONES BASED ON YOUR CONCERNS.

ALSO, THE FACT THAT, THAT HE WANTS TO DO AN ANNUAL, UM, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH GIVES US SOME TEETH TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE INTENT THAT I WILL BE VERY CLEAR.

IT'S MY EXPERIENCE FROM EVERYBODY THAT'S ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS.

THE INTENT IS THAT PEOPLE JUST WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND WANT THIS TO BE A GOOD EXPERIENCE.

THE FEAR IS THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE THAT HOPEFULLY YOU'RE SEEING THAT THE BOARD IS IS, OR AT LEAST IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALIGNED TOWARDS THE DIRECTION OF CREATING A PATH THAT THAT CAN BE TESTED.

AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT THAT THERE CAN BE RESOLUTION IN THE END.

UM, BUT THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GIVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO WORK INSIDE OF THAT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AS WELL AS WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AS WELL.

WE LIVE IN A GREAT AREA.

WE HAVE WONDERFUL PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA.

I ENJOYED HEARING FROM EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

YOU CARE DEEPLY ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY, YOU CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER.

UH, I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE OUT IN YOUR AREA.

MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS SIMILAR.

I LOVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S PRETTY CLOSE KNIT.

UM, BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

THANK YOU SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.

THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT.

AND THANK YOU BRENT, FOR SOME OF YOUR, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO US.

THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF MY THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS.

THE CHAIR, I FAILED TO MENTION THAT I DID DISCUSS, UH, SOME THINGS WITH SOME, SOME OF THE, NOT WITH THE CANADA, BUT WITH, UH, SOME CONSTITUENTS, YOU KNOW, JUST SO THAT THEY KNOW.

AND I WANT TO THANK THE CONSTITUENTS TODAY WHO, THIS IS PROBABLY AS ORGANIZED GROUP AND NOT REPEATING YOURSELVES AND YOUR POINTS THAT YOU SHARED TODAY WAS AWESOME.

AND AS SUPERVISOR WHITE SINGER SAID, WE DO HEAR YOU, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO TRY TO FIND THE COMPROMISE OF WHERE WE CAN'T.

IT WAS SAID, WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE THIS PROCESS? WHY DO WE EVEN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS? IT GOES TO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, IT'S POSTED THAT WE HAVE PLANNING AND ZONING.

IT'S POSTED THEN THAT WE COME BEFORE THE BOARD.

AND IT SOUNDS

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THERE ARE TIMES THAT WE DO PUT THINGS THROUGH.

THERE ARE TIMES THAT WE REJECT, BUT TODAY'S ONE WHERE WE'RE APPROVING WITH VERY STRONG CONDITIONS.

AND I THINK THOSE CONDITIONS ARE TRYING TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE.

AND AS SUPERVI AS CHAIRMAN SAID, THEY'RE ON A TRIAL PERIOD.

AND SO LET'S SEE IF THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY SAID THEY CAN DO.

AND, AND I THINK IF THAT'S THE POSSIBLE THEN I THINK THERE CAN BE HARMONY.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANY MORE COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO A VOTE? CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME.

CHAIR.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED BY THE STAFF.

THE 14 CONDITIONS WITH THE CHANGE ON ITEM NUMBER 14 TO BE A ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND BE REVIEWED WHETHER OR NOT, UH, IT WOULD GO FORWARD ALSO THAT THE TIME PERIOD ON NUMBER SIX BE CHANGED TO APRIL 1ST TO SEPTEMBER 30TH.

AND THAT THERE BE NO MORE THAN 12 VENUE EVENTS, WHETHER THEY BE WEDDING, CORPORATE OR LARGER GATHERING EVENTS ONLY CAN HAVE 12 DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

NOT THE CALENDAR YEAR, BUT FROM APRIL TO SEPTEMBER THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY BE COMPLETED.

THAT ALSO A STUDY ON THE PERMITTING OF THE SEPTIC TANK, WHICH IS GONNA BE PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS, I'M SURE.

BUT THAT, THAT IT IS IN COMPLIANCE AND I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT THE SETBACK BE SUFFICIENT.

I'M NOT GONNA TELL THEM HOW TO DO IT, BUT 50 FEET IS WHAT WE HAVE.

BUT WE'VE HEARD TODAY THAT MAY NOT BE SUFFICIENT AND THAT THE PARKING, UH, HAVE A MINIMUM OF 40 SPACES AND ALSO BE LIMITED IN WITH THE TRAFFIC, UH, STUDY AND BE PLATTED OUT TO SHOW THAT.

AND I GUESS THE ONE THING THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED, AND, AND I GUESS WITH IN HERE, AND I I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BRINGING THIS UP, AND I GUESS THAT WE'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE APPLICANT, WHETHER IT BE SITE ONE OR SITE TWO, THAT HE'S PROPOSED TWO SITES AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH WOULD BE MORE FAVORABLE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO THE RESIDENTS OR PEOPLE UP THERE.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE SITE ONE OR SITE TWO, YOU KNOW, BOTH OF THOSE SITE TWO MOVES IT FURTHER AWAY TO THE EAST AWAY FROM THEIR PROPERTIES WHERE SITE ONE BRINGS IT CLOSER TO THE HIGHWAY.

AND SO I GUESS IF WE COULD TAKE A VOTE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, THAT'S AN ORDER, BUT, BUT SHOW OF HANDS, YOU KNOW, WHICH SITE AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT, BUT IT'D PROBABLY BE SITE LOCATION TWO WOULD BE THE PREFERRED SITE AND ON THAT.

SO I'LL JUST PUT THAT IN MY, IN MY CONDITION THAT THAT, THAT WE ACCEPT IT TO BE LOCATION NUMBER TWO.

DO YOU MIND IF I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? SURE.

WE'LL GET A SECOND, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT.

UM, IS, IS SITE TWO AN ISSUE FOR YOU? I MEAN, YOU HAVE TWO SITES LOCATED AS OPTIONS.

I MEAN, WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE THE OPTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD FIT.

'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T OBVIOUSLY GONE BEYOND JUST A SIMPLE, UH, DIMENSION IN, IN BOTH THOSE AREAS.

UM, SO WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT TALKING TO SURVEYORS AND ARCHITECTS AND SO FORTH, IF WHICH ONE IS THE MORE SUITABLE YET? UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN, IS WE, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO AT LEAST HAVE AN OPTION IF WE GOT THIS APPROVED AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN SITE TWO IS LIKE, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ALLOWABLE FOR WHATEVER REASON.

WE AT LEAST HAVE ANOTHER OPTION TO, TO LOOK AT.

WE, OKAY, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL ADJUST THAT TO WE PREFER THAT IT BE SITE TWO, BUT NOT MANDATORY.

WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE.

THANK YOU SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR.

WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? OKAY, HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? VOTE.

ON FROM ITEM B TO ITEM NINE, COUNTY BUSINESS UPDATE.

MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY WITH THE NEW STIPULATIONS.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE

[9. COUNTY BUSINESS UPDATE: Report from County Manager, County Attorney and Board members.]

UM, MR. CLARK, DO YOU HAVE ANY? I DON'T, CHAIRMAN.

SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUT BEING CHRISTMAS SEASON AND THINGS THAT'S COMING UP, I JUST WANT TO THANK OUR, UH, STAFF, UH, PUBLIC WORKS.

MR. LEIGHTON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, SIR.

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THEY PUT A, A FLOAT IN FOR SHALLOW SHINES AND TOOK THIRD PLACE.

SO I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS OF THE PEOPLE THAT THEY DID THAT WAY.

BUT I JUST WANNA SHARE WITH JUST A, A MESSAGE HERE THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT ALONG THE LINES OF, OF CHRISTMAS IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

AND THIS IS FROM THOMAS MONSON.

HE SAID, GOD LEFT THE WORLD UNFINISHED FOR MEN AND WOMEN TO WORK THEIR SKILL UPON.

HE LEFT THE ELECTRICITY IN THE CLOUD, THE OIL AND THE EARTH.

HE LEFT THE RIVERS UN BRIDGED AND THE FOREST UNVEILED AND THE CITIES UNBUILT.

AND GOD GIVES US THE CHALLENGE OF RAW MATERIALS, NOT THE EASE OF FINISHED THINGS.

HE LEAVES THE PICTURES UNPAINTED, THE MUSIC UNSUNG AND THE PROBLEMS UNSOLVED, THAT WE MIGHT KNOW THE JOYS AND GLORIES OF CREATION.

AND WE CAN DESTROY BUILDINGS AND WE CAN DESTROY BRIDGES AND WE CAN TEAR 'EM DOWN.

BUT HE ALSO SENT US A GREAT GIFT, AND THAT WAS HIS SON, THAT WHEN WE FAIL AND WE HAVE PROBLEMS THAT WE CAN CHANGE AND BECOME BETTER BECAUSE OF THAT GREAT ATONEMENT.

AND I'M JUST THANKFUL FOR CHRISTMAS.

I'M THANKFUL FOR MY SAVIOR.

I'M THANKFUL FOR MY FRIENDS, MY COLLEAGUES, STAFF, AND FOR LIFE.

AND MAYBE REMEMBER THE GREAT BLESSINGS THAT COME THIS HOLIDAY SEASON.

AND MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL OF YOU.