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          [1. REVIEW OF AGENDA BY COMMISSIONERS: ]
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          ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, WE ARE GOING TO START THIS MEETING. 
          UM, IT'S NOVEMBER 21ST, 2024. 
          WELCOME, UH, IT'S GLAD TO SEE SO MANY. 
          I'M GLAD TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE. 
          SHOULD BE A GOOD NIGHT. 
          UM, WILL YOU GUYS JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE REAL QUICK? HI, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERT I JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO, UM, KIND OF ALREADY MENTIONED A COUPLE THINGS EARLIER. 
          UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THE ITEMS HERE ON THE AGENDA AND, UH, I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF HOUSEKEEPING DETAILS HERE IN A MINUTE. 
          UH, SO FIRST ITEM, WE HAVE THE REVIEW OF THE AGENDA BY THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, KRISTEN, WHAT, WHAT MEETING WAS THAT THAT WE'RE REVIEWING? LAST MONTH'S? OH, THIS MONTH'S? NO, THIS MONTH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT. 
          WE'RE JUST REVIEWING IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UNLESS WE MAKE A CHANGE, I DON'T SEE ANY CHANGES. 
          DID ANYONE ELSE SEE ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE? OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          [2. CALL TO PUBLIC FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA: Individuals may address the Commission on any relevant issue for up to 3 minutes. At the close of the call to the public, Commission members may not respond to any comments but may respond to criticism, ask staff to review a matter or ask that a matter be placed on a future agenda.]
ITEM NUMBER TWO, CALL TO THE PUBLIC FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          UM, THIS IS A TIME WHEN INDIVIDUALS CAN STAND UP HERE. 
          YOU CAN TALK FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES ABOUT ANY ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO US TODAY ABOUT THAT? OKAY, SEEING NONE. 
          UH, WE'LL MOVE 
          [3.  CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE COMMISSION HEARING OF: October 17th, 2024.]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE COMMISSION HEARING OF OCTOBER 17TH, 2024. 
          DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE MINUTES THERE? ARE THERE ANY ISSUES? IF THERE IS NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 17TH, 2024. 
          SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY OBJECTION? OH, UH, WE'LL MOVE TO A VOTE. 
          UM, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, HEARING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS SUP 
          [4.  SUP 24-008 WHITE WHALE PROPERTIES LLC EVENT VENUE SUP, DISTRICT IV: Consideration of request by Zachary Markham to allow for the construction of an event barn, and operation as an event venue for groups up to 125 people on approximately 5.02 acres in the Pinedale area. APN#: 409-01-008C, T10N, R20E, S20 of the GSRM. Owner: White Whale Properties, LLC. Agent: Zachary Markham.]
2 4 0 0 8 WHITE WALL PROPERTIES, LLC, EVENT VENUE, UM, SUP DISTRICT FOUR. 
          UM, CONSIDERATION OF REQUEST BY ZACHARY MARKHAM TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN EVENT BARN AND OPERATION OF AN EVENT VENUE FOR GROUPS OF UP TO 125 PEOPLE ON APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRE, 5.02 ACRES IN THE PINEDALE AREA. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT, I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL THAT STUFF. 
           WHITE. 
          WELL PROPERTIES. 
          LLC AGENT IS ZACHARY MORGAN, AND WE ARE GONNA HAVE THE PRESENTATION BY TYLER RICHARDS. 
          OH, OR CODY. 
          I SAID CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA TAKE OVER FOR TYLER RICHARDS, WHO'S UNABLE TO ATTEND, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          UM, SO AS YOU JUST MENTIONED HERE, THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST WITHIN THE PINEDALE AREA. 
          JUST MAKE SURE I GET THIS WORKING. 
          SO WE'VE HAD A FEW ISSUES WITH THIS IN OUR, OUR HEARINGS HERE. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO AS FAR AS THE PROJECT SUMMARY, THIS IS LOCATED ON A PN 4 0 9 0 1 0 0 8 C. 
          AS YOU'VE NOTED, THIS IS JUST OVER FIVE ACRES IN SIZE. 
          IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED A GENERAL, AND AS FAR AS THE GENERAL PROJECT DESCRIPTION, IT WOULD BE TO ALLOW FOR EVENTS TO BE HELD ON THE FRONT LAWN OF THE RESIDENCE THAT EXISTS HERE ON THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN EVENT BARN LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE PUT IN THERE FOR INDOOR EVENTS, AS WELL AS PARKING FOR GROUPS OF UP TO 125 PEOPLE IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY IN FRONT OF THAT RESIDENCE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT'S APPROXIMATELY RIGHT AROUND FOUR MILES FROM PINEDALE ON THE, THE HIGHWAY PINEDALE PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS QUITE A WAYS SOUTH, UM, JUST ACROSS FROM PINEDALE ESTATES. 
          THIS IS A PARCEL VIEW, UH, AN OVERVIEW OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE. 
          THERE'S ALSO AN EXISTING GUEST HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY, AND THIS IS A SITE PLAN, SO THAT SHOWS WHAT'S EXISTING AND IT SHOWS TWO POTENTIAL LOCATIONS FOR THE EVENT BARN. 
          UM, THE, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING FOR WHICH ONE WILL BE MOST VIABLE FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, SO IT EITHER WOULD BE ACCEPTED IF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WERE APPROVED ONLY WITHIN THOSE TWO SITES. 
          HOWEVER, SO WITH THIS, I APOLOGIZE, I JUST LOST MY PAPER THERE. 
          AS OF PREPARING THE STAFF REPORT, WE HAD 61 INDIVIDUALS THAT COMMENTED AGAINST THIS ITEM AND EIGHT INDIVIDUALS THAT COMMENTED IN FAVOR. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED A FEW OTHER COMMENTS FOLLOWING THIS AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TABULATE, BUT AS THIS WILL GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WE WILL ADD THOSE UP IN THAT REPORT AS WELL. 
          IN REVIEWING THIS 
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PROPOSAL, THIS MEETS THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF NAVAJO COUNTY. 
          THIS ALSO MEETS ALL RELEVANT GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS LOCATED WITHIN THE RECREATION CHARACTER AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THAT AREA CALLS OUT SPECIFICALLY NOTING FOR USES OF RECREATION FOR GUEST LODGINGS, RESORTS, HOTELS, AND TOURIST ORIENTED COMMERCIAL USES. 
          BASED UPON THOSE FACTORS OF THIS MEETING, THE ORDINANCE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT SUBJECT TO THOSE 14 CONDITIONS LISTED ON THE SCREEN. 
          UM, I KNOW THEY'RE QUITE LENGTHY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M WILLING TO ANSWER THOSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CODY. 
          UM, IS THE AGENT AVAILABLE? IS YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT? GO AHEAD. 
          I DID PREPARE A POWERPOINT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          YES, ZACHARY MARKHAM. 
          AND, UH, ADDRESS HERE IS 5 5 5 7 A WAY SHOW LOW ARIZONA 8 5 9 0 1. 
          OKAY. 
          AM I GOOD TO GO THEN? OKAY, APPRECIATE IT. 
          UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY HAVING ME HERE. 
          UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW I'M REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR OUR PROPERTY OUT HERE. 
          AND DO I NEED TO TURN THIS ON? OH, THERE WE GO. 
          HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T SKIP LIKE FIVE NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, CODY ALREADY DID A GOOD JOB, UH, PRESENTING THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT, UM, I JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT, UM, I'M NOT A GO AGAINST THE GRAIN TYPE OF GUY WHEN LOOKING AT THIS PRO PROPOSAL, UM, AND TALKING TO THE STAFF HERE WITHIN THE COUNTY. 
          UM, THEY, WHEN WE DID READ THE EMPLOYEE REPORT AND IT MENTIONED THAT WE ARE IN AN AREA THAT THIS WOULD BE ALLOWABLE. 
          AND NOT ONLY THAT IT IS, UM, WITHIN THE GOALS OF WHAT THE COUNTY'S TRYING TO APPROVE, UM, WE FELT LIKE, UM, THAT GAVE US THE CONFIDENCE TO MOVE FORWARD AND REQUEST THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THIS DOES MEET THE COUNTY GOALS, UM, AND WE ARE A SPECIAL ENTERPRISE, UM, WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWABLE FOR THIS EVENT VENUE IN THAT AREA. 
          OH, YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          GEORGE, JOHN HAS JOINED. 
          SHOULD BE WORKING AGAIN. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE TO POINT IT DOWN, DOWN. 
          OH, THERE WE GO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WORKS. 
          SO, UM, UPON DOING MY RESEARCH, UM, HONESTLY, I I'M NOT, I'M NOT A PROPERTY DEVELOPER NOR A BIG CORPORATION, SO I HAD TO LEARN A LOT ABOUT, UM, WHAT IT MEANT, WHERE I WAS ZONED. 
          AND, UM, AS CODY MENTIONED, UH, THIS IS A GENERAL ZONING, WHICH I FOUND OUT WHERE OUR PROPERTY IS ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF FLEXIBLE USES. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, I WAS KIND OF SHOCKED AT HOW MANY THINGS WE CAN DO ON THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY AS IT'S ZONED FOR. 
          I HIGHLIGHTED A COUPLE, UM, THAT I THINK, UH, MANY WOULD AGREE FARMS GOLF COURSES, WHICH INCLUDE CLUBHOUSES FOR GOLF COURSE PARKS AND CHURCHES ARE VERY COMMON USES ALREADY FOR EVENTS. 
          UM, AND WEDDINGS AS WELL, WHICH WOULD BE THE PRIMARY TYPE OF EVENT THAT WOULD BE REQUESTED TO DO AT OUR PROPERTY. 
          NOW, I DID RESEARCH INTO OTHER COMPARABLE VENUES IN NAVAJO COUNTY. 
          WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT UP HERE. 
          UM, AND THE TWO I COULD FIND ONLINE WERE BOTH IN THE PINETOP LAKESIDE AREA AND I DID A QUICK SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON. 
          UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE AND PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UM, SO YOU CAN SEE OURS, UM, IN THOSE TWO METRICS OF DISTANCE TO RESIDENTIAL WERE ROUGHLY OVER 420 FEET, UM, FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WHEREAS YOU COMPARE IT TO THESE OTHER VENUES AND THEY'RE WITHIN 130 TO 240 FEET. 
          AND ONCE AGAIN, OUR PROPERTY IS 5.02 ACRES. 
          THESE OTHER VENUES ARE ALMOST HALF THE SIZE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE WENT, WHAT WE FELT WAS A MODEST PROPOSAL OF 125 GUESTS WHEN COMPARED TO THESE VENUES WITH 125 COMPARED TO ONE 20 AND 1 75. 
          UM, THERE WE GO. 
          I JUST PULLED A QUICK, UM, AERIAL VIEW FROM THE COUNTY ASSESSOR PAGE OF FIRST THE GREENHOUSE ON WOODLAND TO GIVE AN ILLUSTRATION. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT'S LIKE SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF A TON OF HOUSES, UM, WITH THAT BEING UNDER 200 FEET TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL 
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USE HOUSES, UM, FROM WHERE THEY PUT ON THE EVENTS. 
          UM, AND THEN NEXT THE GATHERING PLACE, ONCE AGAIN, 200 TO 370 FEET TO THE NEAREST HOUSES. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE OUR PROPERTY IS ROUGHLY 420 FEET WHEN LOOKING WESTWARD TOWARDS THE PINE DELLA ESTATES AREA. 
          UM, NOW THIS IS A VIEW OF OUR FRONT LAWN WHEN YOU LOOK WEST TOWARDS THE PINEDALE ESTATES. 
          UM, I THINK, UH, THIS IS IMPORTANT TO SEE BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF FOLIAGE, A LOT OF TREES, A LOT OF BRUSH. 
          IT PROVIDES BOTH A VISIBLE, NATURAL, NATURAL BARRIER, UM, AS WELL AS HELPS DAMPEN SOUND, UM, AND HELPS PROVIDE THE PRIVACY. 
          I KNOW, I, I KNOW IT, IT'S FUNNY 'CAUSE WE HAVE HAD, UM, IT IS A VACATION RENTAL AND I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED THAT ALREADY, UM, CURRENTLY, BUT THERE HAS BEEN ONE OR TWO GUESTS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN LOUDER THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE. 
          AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE'VE TAKEN EVERY EFFORT TO ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE ISSUES. 
          SO, UM, I TOOK A LOOK AT BOTH IN OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, THAT WE HELD AND ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UM, AND SUMMARIZED THEM INTO WHAT I FELT LIKE WERE THE FOREMOST, OR NOT FOUR, BUT THE MOST COMMON ISSUES THAT WE SAW. 
          AND ONCE AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          I REALLY WANT TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. 
          I'M NOT JUST HERE SAYING, OKAY, I WANT THIS AND LET'S RAM IT DOWN EVERYBODY'S THROATS. 
          UM, I TOOK THEM AND I REALLY DID TRY TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO BEST MITIGATE THESE ISSUES. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, NOISE, I KNOW THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING, UM, THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE DO CURRENTLY AS A VACATION RENTAL. 
          WE DO AUTOMATE MESSAGING PRIOR TO ANYBODY ARRIVING. 
          WE DO HAVE SIGNAGE AS SHOWN IN THAT PICTURE RIGHT BELOW BY ALL OF THE DOORS LEADING TO THE OUTSIDE REQUESTING ANY GUESTS THERE TO KEEP NOISE AT A RESPECTABLE LEVEL. 
          AND THEN I HAVE GIVEN UP MY PHONE, PHONE NUMBER, MY PERSONAL CELL PHONE NUMBER TO A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS ASKING IF THEY FEEL LIKE NOISE IS NOT RESPECTABLE TO PLEASE TEXT ME AND I WILL SHUT IT DOWN AS QUICKLY AS I CAN. 
          UM, NOW AS FAR AS THIS EVENT VENUE, OF COURSE, AS MENTIONED, WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD AN INDOOR BARN VENUE, WHICH WE FEEL LIKE WILL COMPLETELY MITIGATE THE NOISE CONCERN, UM, WHICH ONCE AGAIN WOULD BE LIMITED TO 125 GUESTS, UH, OUT OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES WOULD HAVE TO END BY 10 O'CLOCK. 
          AND THEN WE DO PLAN ON HAVING AN EVENT MANAGER ON SITE TO MAKE SURE THAT COMPLIANCE IS BEING FOLLOWED DURING ANY EVENT. 
          UH, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I KNOW ROAD USAGE IS ANOTHER CONCERN. 
          THIS IS A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD, UH, ON RIM ROAD GETTING TO OUR PROPERTY. 
          WE DID PAY A SUB, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR A, UH, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING FIRM, IRONSIDE ENGINEERING AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, TO CONDUCT A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          I BOLDED AND UNDERLINED THEIR MAIN POINT HERE THAT THEY DO SEE, UM, OUR PROPOSAL AS HAVING A MINIMAL IMPACT ON RIM DRIVE . 
          UM, I KNOW ANOTHER CONCERN IS WATER. 
          YEAH, YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S THIS, UH, GENTLEMAN'S TURN TO SPEAK. 
          IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS, YOU GUYS WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THIS IS TIME FOR HIM TO SPEAK. 
          EVERYONE WILL HAVE THEIR TIME AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE THIS OUT. 
          BUT LET'S PLEASE, LET'S PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AS I WAS SAYING, UH, WATER, I KNOW THAT THIS IS ANOTHER CONCERN THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP. 
          AND TO BE HONEST, I KNOW IN THIS AREA, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ON A COMMUNITY. 
          WELL, AS AM I, UM, AND THERE HAS BEEN WATER PRESSURE ISSUES, UM, IN THE PAST. 
          SO I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH, UM, TALKING TO THE, UM, WATER AUTHORITY THERE. 
          SORRY, THAT'S KIND OF POINT TOWARDS, THERE WE GO. 
          THAT'S THE TRICK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT IS ON A COMMUNITY, WELL, AS I MENTIONED, UM, AND SO I, I AM AWARE THAT AT TIMES WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF WATER USAGE, THERE IS WATER PRESSURE ISSUES. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF HAVING AN EVENT VENUE THAT THAT COULD EXACERBATE THAT ISSUE. 
          UM, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, IN MY RESEARCH, TALKING TO THE WATER AUTHORITY, THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE IS A NEW PERMIT THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED AND NEW WELLS HAVE BEEN DRILLED. 
          UM, AND IN TALKING TO THEM, THEY HAVE TOLD ME THAT PARTIAL COMPLETION WILL BE DONE BY SPRING OF 2025, AND THEY BELIEVE THIS WILL SOLVE THE MAJORITY OF ANY WATER PRESSURE ISSUE. 
          AND THEN BY THE END OF 2025, THEY WILL BE INSTALLING, UM, A 62,000 GALLON HOLDING TANK, WHICH THEY SAY WILL ABSOLUTELY A HUNDRED PERCENT SOLVE THIS WATER ISSUE AND THIS SHOULD NOT BE A CONCERN ANYMORE. 
          AND I DID ASK TO CLARIFY IF WATER VOLUME WAS A A PROBLEM, AND THEY SAID, NO, IT IS REALLY TRULY THE WATER, UH, PRESSURE ISSUE. 
          NOW, I DID JUST TO TAKE PROACTIVE AND PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES TO, UM, COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS FOR THIS. 
          SO THIS WAS ACTUALLY AN IDEA FROM THE WATER COMPANY. 
          THEY MENTIONED WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU TO INSTALL 
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A HOLDING TANK WITH BOOSTER PUMPS THAT WOULD FILL OFF, FILL UP DURING OFF PEAK HOURS THAT YOU WOULD USE DURING AN EVENT, AND IT WOULD NOT AFFECT THE COMMUNITY'S WATER PRESSURE PRESSURE. 
          UH, AND THEN SECONDLY, IF WE FELT THE NEED THERE WOULD BE WE, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BRING IN A PORTA-POTTY TYPE SETUP. 
          SO THERE WOULD NOT BE WATER USAGE FROM, UH, A BATHROOM. 
          UM, ONCE AGAIN, BY THE TIME THIS WERE TO BE CONSTRUCTED, I THINK THESE WATER PRESSURE ISSUES WOULD ALL BE, UM, RESOLVED. 
          AND, UH, AS I MENTIONED FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE WATER AUTHORITY THERE. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, DURING CONSTRUCTION, WE UNDERSTAND WE'RE IN ARIZONA, WE WANNA CONSERVE AS MUCH WATER AS POSSIBLE. 
          WE CAN ASSURE YOU WE WOULD INSTALL AS MUCH LOW WATER USAGE AMENITIES AS POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY, SO LASTLY, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, COMMENTS IN REGARD TO OFF-ROAD VEHICLES AND FIRE CONCERNS. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS ALREADY A VACATION RENTAL. 
          I PUT THESE TWO KIND OF TOGETHER BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE BY GETTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, I DON'T SEE ALL OF A SUDDEN A HUGE INCREASE, UH, OF THIS BEING A CONCERN, UM, OFF-ROAD VEHICLES. 
          IN FACT, I WOULD ASSUME PEOPLE COMING TO A WEDDING AREN'T BRINGING IN QUADS AND SIDE BYSIDE. 
          UM, NOR, UH, DO I FEEL LIKE, WELL, LET ME GO BACK. 
          I WANNA SAY WE DO TRY TO BE PROACTIVE, TRY TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? UM, WE DO COMMUNICATE REGARDLESS TO OUR GUESTS IF THEY COME IN AS TO OUR VACATION RENTAL PROPERTY, THAT THEY MUST FOLLOW ALL APPLICABLE LAWS IF THEY WANT TO USE THEIR OFF-ROAD VEHICLES. 
          WE DO NOT RENT OUT VEHICLES. 
          UM, AND THE GUESTS, AS THEY ARE ADULTS, ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE LAWS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ARE. 
          AND THEN SECONDLY, FIRE. 
          WE ARE VERY SERIOUS ABOUT FIRE ALREADY AS OUR PROPERTY IS AS A VACATION RENTAL. 
          UM, AND WE RE COMMUNICATE ANYTIME THERE'S A FIRE RESTRICTION. 
          WE ONLY HAVE ONE OUTDOOR FIRE PIT, AND THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE GUESTS CAN HAVE A FIRE OUTSIDE WITH US. 
          UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE VERY STRICT ABOUT THAT AND WE WOULD NOT CHANGE THAT WITH HAVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS. 
          UM, AND WE DID GET A WILL SERVE LETTER FROM THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, STATING THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO SERVE, UM, FOR FIRE NEEDS DURING THESE EVENTS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, WE ARE TRYING IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE TO ANSWER ANY CONCERNS THAT THERE MAY BE. 
          UM, AND WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBORS IN THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE THIS A REALITY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MARKHAM. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          OKAY, WE ARE GONNA OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, THIS IS WHERE I WANT TO KIND OF LET EVERYBODY KNOW HOW WE DO THIS AND MAKE SURE THERE'S A PROPER ORDER TO EVERYTHING. 
          EVERYONE WILL HAVE A VOICE, BUT LET'S BE RESPECTFUL. 
          LET, UH, WE'RE GOING TO FIRST OF ALL START WITH THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          UH, I HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN FAVOR, AND SO EVERYONE'S GONNA HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, EITHER IN FAVOR OR AGAINST, UH, THIS ITEM. 
          AND WE'LL DO ALL THE IN FAVORS FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL DO ALL THE, UH, NOT IN FAVOR. 
          SECOND, PLEASE AVOID REPEATING THE SAME PROBLEM OR, OR SOLUTION. 
          UM, IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, WE'LL TAKE NOTE OF IT, BUT, UM, LET'S NOT JUST HASH OUT THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE TIMOTHY SHOCKEY AND THEN JOANNE SHOCKEY, YOU'LL BE SECOND. 
          SO GO AHEAD TIMOTHY. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          UM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          OH, TIMOTHY SHOCKEY, UH, 55 71 ARU A ELL. 
          I AM A DIRECT BORDERING NEIGHBOR WITH, UH, ZACH. 
          AND ERICA. 
          WHEN I, UH, FIRST MET THOSE TWO, UH, I WENT OVER TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AS A NEIGHBOR. 
          UM, IT WAS A VERY POSITIVE CONVERSATION WE HAD. 
          IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, YOU GET ONE CHANCE TO MAKE A FIRST IMPRESSION. 
          AND I WAS, UH, IMPRESSED BY BOTH OF THEM. 
          UM, THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, AS NEIGHBORS WOULD TALK ABOUT NEW PEOPLE, MEETING NEW PEOPLE. 
          AND AT THE END OF IT, MY COMMENT TO BOTH OF THEM WAS, UH, IT'S GONNA BE GOOD TO HAVE A A A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          IT'S NICE TO HAVE A GOOD NEIGHBORS, AND LEFT IT AT THAT. 
          AND SO WE'VE DEVELOPED A RELATIONSHIP THROUGH, UH, IT'S A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AND A HALF THAT, UM, THAT I'VE KNOWN THEM. 
          AND, UH, AS, AS THEIR, AS FAR AS THEIR SHORT TERM, UH, RENTAL GOES, UM, I HAVE, UH, PLAYED A, A, A PART IN IT WITH THEM. 
          UH, ONE THING, UH, AND AND I HAVE A, A LINE OF COMMUNICATION WITH ZACH ON THE GUESTS, UH, THAT, THAT COME THERE, UH, I WOULD, I'M GONNA SAY THIS IS A VERY UPSCALE PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          UH, ZACH AND ERICA HAVE DONE, UM, 
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EVERYTHING TO KEEP IT UPSCALE. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THAT IT ATTRACTS, UH, A A AN UPSCALE CROWD. 
          UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE, AND, AND YOU JUST HOPE FOR THE BEST. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, A PARABLE HERE IS YOU CAN PUT UP STOP SIGNS AND SPEED LIMIT SIGNS. 
          AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE ARE GONNA AVOID OR NOT STOP AT THE SIGN, OR, OR THAT'S NOT GONNA MEAN PEOPLE ARE GONNA STOP AT THE SIGN AND THEY'RE GONNA OBEY THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN. 
          SO ZACH DOES EVERYTHING HE CAN, I BELIEVE IN HIS ONLINE RENTAL AGREEMENT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT, UH, AFTER EVERY GUEST, THERE'S COMMUNICATION AS TO HOW THEY WERE, WAS THERE A NOISE PROBLEM? UH, WHEN NOISE PROBLEMS WERE, UH, I THINK THAT, UH, ZACH HAS DONE EVERYTHING HE CAN TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, TO ELIMINATE, UH, TO KEEP IN CHECK. 
          UM, THAT'S IT. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          UH, JANINE. 
          THEN WE'LL HAVE MICHAEL, UH, WAL DRIFT AFTER THAT. 
          MY NAME IS JANINE SHOCKEY, AND, UM, I LIVE MY HUSBAND TIM. 
          SO I LIVE 5, 5, 7, 1 WAY. 
          WE'RE DIRECTLY BORDER THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, IT'S HARD TO NOT REPEAT SOMETHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID POSITIVELY TOWARDS THIS. 
          UM, I KNOW NOISE IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE, AND THERE WAS A WEDDING THERE THAT WAS REALLY LOUD AND GOT EVERYBODY UPSET. 
          IT WAS A LEARNING CURVE FOR ALL OF US, IS HOW TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION. 
          AND SINCE THEN, NOTHING HAS BEEN THAT LOUD. 
          I MEAN, ZACH REALLY TOOK, YOU KNOW, UM, CHOICES, YOU KNOW, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, WE FIGURED OUT HOW TO KEEP THE QUIET DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, PUTTING UP THIS BUILDING. 
          OF COURSE IT HAS PROS AND CONS FOR EVERYBODY, BUT I THINK THAT WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT IS THAT THEY, IT'LL BE INSIDE AND THE NOISE WILL PRETTY MUCH SIMMER RIGHT DOWN. 
          I MEAN, ANYTIME YOU GET A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE, THERE'S GONNA BE NOISE AND IT'S ALL OVER THE AREA, NOT JUST THERE, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK THE BUILDING WOULD HELP WITH THE NOISE AND KEEPING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, QUIETER. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, STEPS ARE TAKEN TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY FOLLOWS THE RULES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY, MICHAEL. 
          AND THEN WE'LL HAVE REY AFTER THAT. 
          HELLO, I'M MIKE REIFF, 52 91, PINEDALE WASH ROAD, PINEDALE, ARIZONA. 
          UH, I'VE DONE MULTIPLE. 
          I'M A HANDYMAN, UH, PART-TIME. 
          I DO JOBS FOR ZACH. 
          I THINK HE'S A VERY GOOD GUY. 
          UH, I THINK IT'S GONNA HELP, UM, UH, CREATE MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME TO GET JOBS IN THE AREA. 
          THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF JOBS OUT THERE, UM, AS FAR AS HANDYMAN STUFF. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S ABOUT IT. 
          I'LL MAKE IT SHORT AND SWEET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          RE AND THEN ERICA, I, HI, MY NAME IS SHARAY ELLSWORTH. 
          UM, MY ADDRESS IS 4 71 EAST WHIPPLE STREET IN SHOW LOW. 
          SO I GREW UP ON THE MOUNTAIN, LIVED HERE MOST OF MY LIFE, AND I'VE BEEN TO A COUPLE OF SMALL PARTIES AT ZACH AND ERICA'S HOME IN PINEDALE. 
          AND THEY HAVE, THEY ARE GREAT PEOPLE AND HAVE A BEAUTIFUL FAMILY AND A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. 
          AND I'M SO EXCITED THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO JUST CREATE ANOTHER VENUE ON THE MOUNTAIN WHERE THERE AREN'T A LOT OF OPTIONS FOR A BEAUTIFUL, INTIMATE, SMALL, BEAUTIFUL WEDDING. 
          AND I THINK THAT, ESPECIALLY THE LENGTHS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, TO KEEP IT CONFINED AND QUIET, IT'S SO STUNNING. 
          AND I LOVE THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO SHARE THAT WITH EVERYBODY. 
          I THINK IT IS VERY NEEDED, AND WE HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY ON THE MOUNTAIN THAT I THINK WOULD LOVE TO UTILIZE IT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, ERICA. 
          AND THEN WE'LL DO LISTEN TO, UH, PACING AFTER THAT. 
          HI, MY NAME IS ERICA MARKHAM, AND I'M ZACHARY MARKHAM'S WIFE. 
          UM, MY ADDRESS IS 3 3 7 4 EAST FA COURT, AND I'M OBVIOUSLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS, UH, PROPOSAL. 
          UM, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, WE WANTED IT TO JUST BE OUR, YOU KNOW, HOME FOR, TO BRING OUR FAMILY, OUR CABIN, OUR BELOVED CABIN THAT WE LOVE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, MY, MY DAD'S SIDE OF THE FAMILY ALL GREW UP IN SNOWFLAKE. 
          HE HAS FAMILY LIVES IN SHALLOW. 
          UM, SO PINEDALE IS A VERY SPECIAL PLACE 
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FOR US. 
          AND WHEN WE TURNED IT INTO A VACATION RENTAL FOR THE TIMES THAT WE WEREN'T THERE, WE WERE NOT EXPECTING TO HAVE THE ENDLESS AMOUNT OF REQUESTS TO HAVE AN INTIMATE, BEAUTIFUL, PEACEFUL WEDDING IN THE WOODS. 
          AND WE GOT THOSE REQUESTS FOR OVER A YEAR. 
          I MEAN, ENDLESS. 
          LIKE EVERY SINGLE WEEK WE WERE GETTING REQUESTS FROM COUPLES TO GET MARRIED THERE. 
          AND SO THAT WAS NOT ON OUR RADAR WHEN, WHEN WE BROUGHT THE PRO, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS WHY WE'RE, WE WANNA MAKE THIS HAPPEN, IS WE JUST KEEP GETTING THESE REQUESTS. 
          WE'VE HAD PEOPLE TRY TO SNEAK A WEDDING WHEN THEY STAY AT OUR PROPERTY. 
          AND SO THERE IS SUCH A NEED FOR THAT OUT THERE. 
          WE'VE REALIZED, AND THAT IS WHY WE WANNA MAKE THAT A REALITY. 
          WE'VE LEARNED FROM, YOU KNOW, ONE WEDDING WAS A MISTAKE. 
          THEY HAD A LOUD MUSIC. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW BETTER. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE MUSIC WAS GONNA ECHO. 
          AND WE HAVE TAKEN EVERY MEASURE THAT WE CAN ON BUILDING AN INFRASTRUCTURE TO CONTAIN THAT MUSIC AND STILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE WONDERFUL COUPLES THAT ARE BEGGING TO HAVE A WEDDING IN PINEDALE. 
          WHETHER THEY HAVE FAMILY OR FRIENDS THAT LIVE THERE, THEY WANT TO HAVE A WEDDING IN PINEDALE. 
          AND SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT. 
          BUT WE ALSO WANNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. 
          WE LOVE OUR HOME THERE AND WE LOVE THE PEACEFUL NATURE OF PINEDALE. 
          AND WE DO NOT WANNA RUIN THAT. 
          THAT IS NOT OUR INTENTION AT ALL. 
          IT IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY. 
          WE WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR HOME THERE, PROVIDE SOMETHING FOR OTHER PEOPLE, AND NOT JUST HAVE IT BE A VACATION RENTAL WHERE PEOPLE CAN KIND OF DO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY WANT. 
          WE WANT TO CONTROL IT. 
          AND WE THINK THAT HAVING THIS EVENT VENUE GO THROUGH GIVES US ALL THE ACCESS THAT WE CAN TO CONTROL EVERY EVENT THAT GOES ON THERE. 
          WE CAN HAVE A MANAGER THERE, CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF IT, VET OUT THE PEOPLE, VET OUT THE EVENT AND EVERYTHING. 
          SO THAT'S OUR INTENTION. 
          AND I REALLY WOULD LOVE FOR THIS TO GO THROUGH AND I'D LOVE FOR IT TO GO THROUGH PEACEFULLY AND RESPECTFULLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, PAYSON. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS PAYSON WAL DRIFT. 
          I LIVE AT 52 91 PINEDALE WASH ROAD. 
          UM, I BELIEVE, UH, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE VENUE THAT, UM, ZACH IS PROPO, UH, PROPOSING. 
          I BELIEVE THIS CAN GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THE YOUTH IN TERMS OF CREATING MORE JOB OPPORTUNITIES. 
          THERE'S NOT A LOT OF JOB OPPORTUNITIES OUT HERE IN HEBREW OR SHOW LOW. 
          UM, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE, UH, MY AGE WHO HAVE STRUGGLED TO FIND JOBS OUT HERE. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE THESE THINGS THAT ZACH IS PROPOSING CAN HELP CREATE THESE JOB OPPORTUNITIES. 
          I HAVE WORKED FOR ZACH, UM, CREATING THESE WEDDING VENUES, UM, AND THEY'RE VERY, UM, ORGANIZED AND, UM, I LOVE DOING IT. 
          AND YEAH, THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, LEONA BRYANT, LEONA BRYANT, 55, 23 BLUE J DRIVE, PINEDALE, UM, I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT THINGS ABOUT THE NOISE, BUT THERE WAS TWO OCCASIONS WHERE THE NOISE LEVEL WAS I THINK, UNBEARABLE TO ALMOST EVERYBODY IN PINEDALE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY HOUSES ARE THERE. 
          I THINK THERE'S MAYBE 200. 
          NOT EVERYBODY IS THERE FULL TIME. 
          UM, I WAS OUT FEEDING THE HORSES WHEN ONE OF THEIR SOUND SYSTEM KARAOKE, WHATEVER. 
          I ALMOST GOT TRAMPLED. 
          IT JUST STARTLED THE HORSES 'CAUSE IT JUST COME OUTTA NOWHERE. 
          UM, THE OTHER TIME IT WAS QUITE, ALMOST MIDNIGHT BEFORE THE NOISE STOPPED, BEFORE WE COULD GO TO SLEEP. 
          UH, AND THE ROADS, WHEN THEY DO HAVE THEIR QUADS IN THEIR SIDE BY SIDES OUT THERE, THEY GO UP AND DOWN THE ROADS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THIS IS ON THE ESTATE SIDE, IT'S NOT IN THE FOREST. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I COULD MENTION, BUT I'M NOT A VERY GOOD SPEAKER. 
          SO I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT AND GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE SOME TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHARLES, UM, MEAD AND THEN I THINK IT'S KAYLA KENNEDY AFTER THAT. 
          MY NAME'S CHARLES MEAD. 
          I OF 55 40 FOREST DRIVE THAT IS JUST UP ABOVE THIS, UH, THE VENUE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          AND IT'S, UH, THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT CAN KILL THE SOUND. 
          IT'S KIND OF A AMPHITHEATER THAT HEADS UP THE HILL TOWARDS ALL OF US. 
          AND IT'S BLAZING LOUD. 
          AND BECAUSE I'M A HOA BOARD MEMBER THERE, I, AND I'VE LIVED THERE 30 YEARS, I GET A LOT OF CALLS AND FEEDBACK ON EVERYTHING GOING ON IN THE AREA. 
          SO I HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE ATTITUDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          EVERYONE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I HAVE CONTACT WITH IS TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THIS PERMIT APPLICATION. 
          EVERYONE I'VE SPOKEN TO OUT HERE FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS IS HERE FOR THE PEACE AND QUIET AND SOLITUDE. 
          WE TOLERATE THE BAD ROAD BEING 30 MINUTES FROM ALL CONVENIENCES, LIKE RESTAURANTS, THEATERS, GROCERY 
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STORES, GAS STATIONS, ALL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THE NOISE AND ACTIVITY OF TOWN. 
          SO IF YOU APPROVE THIS EVENT BARN SO THAT ZACHARY CAN COMMERCIALIZE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'LL BE VIOLATING EVERY REASON WE MOVE THERE. 
          THAT DOES NOT SEEM FAIR. 
          QUESTION TO THE BOARD. 
          IF HE WERE PROPOSING TO DO THIS UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY YOU AND YOUR FAMILY LIVE ON, WOULD YOU APPROVE IT? AT THIS ORIGINAL, AT HIS ORIGINAL MEETING HE HELD ON HIS PATIO, ZACHARY SAID HE WANTED TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          HE IS AN AWFUL NEIGHBOR. 
          HE PROMISED US RULES OF NO OUTSIDE DANCE FLOOR OR SPEAKERS OR PA SYSTEM, BUT HE ADVERTISES THAT BOTH OF THESE ARE AVAILABLE WHEN YOU RENT HIS PROPERTY. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOUD, OBNOXIOUS MUSIC ON AND LOTS OF STUFF ON WEEKENDS, WE CAN HEAR EVERYTHING THEY SAY THAT WILL NOT CHANGE WHEN HE GETS A PERMIT BECAUSE HE STATES HE WILL HAVE OUTDOOR EVENTS ON HIS LAWN IN THE FUTURE. 
          THROUGH ALL THE LETTERS AND EMAILS YOU RECEIVED, IT MUST BE CLEAR THAT THIS ONE PROPERTY WISHING TO INCREASE ITS PROFIT MARGIN BY RENTING OUT TO LARGER EVENTS, IS GONNA HAVE A MASSIVE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SMALL COMMUNITY WHICH EXISTS THERE PRESENTLY. 
          IF THE COUNTY GOES AHEAD AND APPROVES THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH SUCH AN OVERWHELMING OPPOSITION TO ITS COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF US GOING THROUGH ALL THE TROUBLE OF WRITING LETTERS AND COMING TO HEARINGS IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, HE'S MANAGED TO ORCHESTRATE A FEW LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR HIS PROPOSAL, MOSTLY FROM PAID EMPLOYEES. 
          I THINK. 
          TIM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU GET PAID FOR DOING SOME WORK ON HIS PROPERTY AT THAT MEETING. 
          UM, ANYWAY, BUT IN APPROX WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 90 HOMES ON 200 LOTS ADJACENT TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THIS PERMIT IF IT'S GRANTED TO WHITE WELL PROPERTIES. 
          THERE'S BEEN MANY WEDDINGS ALREADY. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT HE NEEDED A PERMIT FOR 'EM, BUT HE'S ALREADY HAD A BUNCH OF THEM. 
          'CAUSE WE CAN HEAR EVERYTHING THEY'RE DOING OVER THERE. 
          WE HEAR 'EM AT DO MAKE ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          WE HEAR THE MUSIC AND THE BARN WILL NOT KEEP ITS DOORS CLOSED ON NICE SUMMER EVENINGS OR IT'S WINDOWS. 
          SO THAT WILL NOT CURE THE PROBLEM. 
          IN CLOSING, WE'VE EXPRESSED THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THIS PROPOSAL HAS HAD ON OUR COMMUNITY VALUES, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, OUR QUALITY OF LIFE IS BEING DEGRADED. 
          IT SEEMS A LITTLE UNDERHANDED TO, TO CANCEL THE LAST MEETING AT THE LAST MOMENT THAT PEOPLE CAME UP TO PINEDALE ESTATES TO COME TO THE MEETING ON. 
          SO THEY WASTED THE TRIP FROM PHOENIX AND THEN HE REINITIATE THE PROPOSAL AGAIN. 
          MATTER OF TIME. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU CHARLES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, KAYLA KENNEDY AND THEY'LL HAVE, UH, DANA MEAD. 
          CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MY NAME IS KAYLA. 
          UM, I'M A RESIDENT OF PINEDALE ESTATES. 
          I LIVE AT 5 8 8 RIM ROAD. 
          I'M DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, UM, FROM ZACHARY. 
          UM, I'M HERE TODAY TO OPPOSE AN EVENT CENTER BEING PERMITTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, I'M SORRY IF I REPEAT ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT I MOVED HERE IN JULY IN HOPES OF BEING IN A QUIET, SERENE FOREST SETTING AND VERY QUICKLY LEARNED THAT IS NOT THE CASE. 
          THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MANY OCCURRENCES OF BLARING MUSIC AND COMMOTION COMING FROM ZACHARY'S PROPERTY. 
          ONE INSTANCE, I WAS SITTING ON MY PORCH TRYING TO UNWIND FROM A LONG DAY. 
          AND ALL I COULD HEAR WAS ABSOLUTELY OBSCENE RAP MUSIC BOOMING FROM THE SPEAKERS, IT OVERTOOK THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND ANOTHER INSTANCE, I HAD FAMILY VISITING FROM OUT OF TOWN AND ALL THEY COULD HEAR THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND NIGHT WAS BOISTEROUS PEOPLE AND LOUD MUSIC. 
          JUST LAST NIGHT WHEN MY BOYFRIEND AND I WERE SITTING ON OUR PORCH, ALL WE COULD HEAR WAS A WEDDING, WHICH WE SIT ON OUR PORCH TO RELAX, TO TALK TO EACH OTHER AND HEAR THE WILDLIFE. 
          WE DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT TWO PEOPLE GETTING MARRIED. 
          THAT'S THEIR PERSONAL BUSINESS AND WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE THE LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE RENTING THIS PROPERTY ARE AWARE OF THE EXTENT WHICH WE CAN HEAR THEM. 
          AND NOT ONLY THAT THEY DON'T CARE ON ZACHARY'S BOOKING WEBSITE TRAVEL WHITE WHALE.COM, HE STATES IT IS EXTREMELY QUIET HERE AT NIGHT. 
          BUT THE ONLY THING THAT IS CAUSING THIS CABIN NEIGHBORHOOD NOT TO BE QUIET IS HIS PROPERTY ALONE. 
          EVEN IF A BARN WAS BUILT FOR THESE EVENTS, THERE IS NO WAY TO MASK THE NOISE THAT WILL FOLLOW IT'S INEVITABLE IN THIS KIND OF ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND I WOULD KNOW TOO MANY PEOPLE LIVE CLOSE BY AND THE NOISE DISTURBANCES ARE ALREADY SUBSTANTIAL AND FREQUENT. 
          IT JUST HAPPENED YESTERDAY. 
          THIS COMMUNITY HOLDS ITS VALUE FOR BEING IN THE FOREST, BEING PEACEFUL AND HAVING THE ESSENCE OF NATURE ALL AROUND YOU. 
          NOT ONE PERSON WANTS TO HEAR A SOUND SYSTEM AND PARTYING. 
          UM, LIKE THE OTHER PERSON HAS SAID, ZACHARY STATES HE WANTS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, BUT THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT. 
          THERE ARE MANY OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE AN EVENT CENTER IS APPROPRIATE, BUT NOT IN THIS SMALL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY DON'T DESERVE THE DISRESPECT RIGHT OUTSIDE THEIR DOOR. 
          SO IN CONCLUSION, I'M OPPOSED TO THIS EVENT CENTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, DANA, ME AGAIN. 
          WE'D LIKE TO REITERATE IF IT HAS TO DO WITH SOUND. 
          I THINK WE'VE KIND OF HEARD THAT. 
          SO LET'S TRY TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE IF YOU'RE ABLE TO. 
          DANA MEAD 5, 5 4 OH FOREST DRIVE. 
          IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ROAD 
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FROM PINEDALE TO THE WHITE WELL PROPERTY IS A US FOREST SERVICE ROAD, WHICH THE COUNTY HAS CONTRACTED TO MAINTAIN. 
          HAS THE US FOREST SERVICE APPROVED OF THIS TRAFFIC INCREASE? AND WHO'S GOING TO PAY THE ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE COST? OR IS THE ROAD GOING TO BE FAR LESS MAINTAINED AND UNSAFE? OR WILL THE COUNTY BE IN BREACH OF CONTRACT IF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS APPROVED? NUMBER TWO, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH TWO FOREST FIRES AND ONE RECENT HOME FIRE IN OUR AREA. 
          PINEDALE STATES, WE'VE BEEN EVACUATED. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE DIRT ROAD TO EVACUATE AND ESCAPE A FIRE HERE. 
          OUR COMMUNITY HAS A DEED RESTRICTION AGAINST ALL OPEN FIRES. 
          WE DO NOT ALLOW ANY IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THE MOST RECENT FIRE CREDITED TO A CIGARETTE BUTT REQUIRED NOT ONLY THE LOCAL PEOPLE TO HELP CONTAIN IT UNTIL OUR SMALL FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD GET THERE, BUT REQUIRED ASSISTANCE OF SEVERAL OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO ASSIST AND BRING IN WATER TO ASSIST OUR SMALL FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          THE HOME WAS DESTROYED, BUT DUE TO A SUDDEN WIND CHANGE, THE ESTATES WAS SAVED. 
          CURRENTLY WE HAVE ONLY TWO 5,000 STORAGE, 5,000 GALLON STORAGE TANKS, AND WE HAVE NO FIRE HYDRANTS. 
          YES, I'VE, I'VE HEARD THAT WE ARE DRILLING A WELL. 
          WE'VE BEEN THERE 30 YEARS AND BEEN WORKING ON THIS FIRE, THIS WATER PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE. 
          WE'VE BEEN WITHOUT WATER AT LEAST THREE TIMES THIS YEAR ON THE TOP OF THE ESTATES, 125 MORE PEOPLE. 
          WE ARE GOING TO NOT BE ABLE TO FLUSH TOILETS. 
          UM, WHO'S GONNA MONITOR THIS, UM, THESE LARGER WEDDINGS? IS IT FAIR OF US FOR US WHO LIVE RESPONSIBLY IN THIS SUBDIVISION AND UNDERSTAND THAT ONE CIGARETTE BUTT IN THE DRY GRASS COULD NOT ONLY MEAN THE LOSS OF MANY HOMES, BUT THE POSSIBLE LOSS OF LIFE. 
          IT'S A HUGE SAFETY CONCERN FOR ALL OF US THERE IN THE EVENT OF AN ACCIDENTAL FIRE. 
          HOW WOULD WE EVACUATE 125 EXTRA PEOPLE FROM THIS AREA IN THE EVENT OF ANOTHER CATASTROPHIC FIRE? WOULD NAVAJO COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING BE LIABLE FOR THE TRAGIC EVENTS? WE ALSO HAVE SEVERAL FAMILIES WITH LOVED ONES BATTLING AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE AND PARKINSON DISEASES, PARKINSON'S DISEASES. 
          THEY'VE MOVED HERE TO BE IN THE QUIET STRESS-FREE AREA AND ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND OUR HEALTH IS BEING PUT AT RISK DUE TO THE RAUCOUS ACTIVITY OCCURRING ON WHITE WELL PROPERTIES. 
          IT'S ALREADY EXCEEDING THE 12 EVENT DAYS PER YEAR THAT IS LISTED IN THEIR TRAFFIC MEMO. 
          AS WELL AS THE PLACE HAS BEEN RENTED SEVERAL TIMES IN NOVEMBER ALREADY, IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE NO PEACE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE EXTRA TRAFFIC AND INCREASED A TV USAGE WILL CERTAINLY INCREASE ACCIDENTS. 
          A FEW YEARS AGO A MAN WAS HIT BY A SPEEDING VEHICLE WHILE RIDING HIS BICYCLE AND RENDERED UNCONSCIOUS. 
          THE ATVS FROM WHITE WELL PROPERTIES SPEED AROUND SO FAST ON THE CORNERS THAT THIS PAST SUMMER WE WERE NOT ABLE TO EVEN TAKE OUR GRANDCHILD GRANDCHILDREN OUT ON A WALK OR OUR LEASED PETS, YOUR HONOR. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU AMID, UH, MR. AND MRS. IT ADAM? I CAN'T READ THE FIRST NAME ADAMS. IT'S JUST ME. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, I WAS LISTENING TO THE RESEARCH AND OH, KIM AND ADAMS 5 89 RIDGE DRIVE EAST. 
          I WAS LISTENING TO THE RESEARCH AND UH, THERE IS ANOTHER VENUE GOING IN ABOUT FOUR MILES AWAY. 
          IT'S UP ON, UH, FARNSWORTH RANCH ROAD AND IT IS ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          SO THERE IS ONE THERE. 
          UM, WE'RE ABOUT 200 YARDS AWAY FROM THEM AND WE HEAR EVERYTHING AND IT'S CONSTANT. 
          UM, THERE'S NO PEACE. 
          UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          IT'S ALREADY BAD ENOUGH. 
          THEY'RE PROFITING ON OUR DISCOMFORT AND IF THEY DO THIS, IT'S GONNA AMP UP EVEN WORSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, STEVE. 
          MARLO. 
          MARLO THAT BE ME. 
          YEAH. 
          MY NAME IS, UH, MY NAME IS STEVE MARLO. 
          I LIVE AT 5 5 2 3 DEER RUN ROAD IN PINEDALE. 
          UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT THE ROAD. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THAT ROAD. 
          UM, THE WASHBOARD ON THAT ROAD DEVELOPS, UH, THE COUNTY COMES OUT, GRADES THE ROAD. 
          IT'S NICE AND SMOOTH FOR ABOUT A WEEK. 
          AND JUST THE NORMAL TRAFFIC THAT COMES IN THERE, UH, ASIDE, IN ADDITION TO HUNTERS AND WOOD CUTTERS, CAUSES THAT ROAD TO BE HORRIBLE. 
          I MEAN, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE SPEED LIMIT IS 25 AND IF YOU'RE DOING 25, YOU'RE BOUNCING ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          AND YET, UH, I SEE PEOPLE DOING 45, 50 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THAT ROAD, WHICH CAUSES THAT WASHBOARD TO BE EVEN WORSE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, 
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ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT. 
          UH, I THINK ZACHARY AND ERIC HAVE MISREPRESENTED THEMSELVES AS BEING RESIDENTS OF PINEDALE. 
          UH, WHEN WE HAD A MEETING AT THEIR PLACE THAT WHEN THEY FIRST PRESENTED THIS TO THE COMMUNITY, THEY STATED THEY LIVE IN ALASKA. 
          SO THEY DON'T EVEN LIVE IN PINEDALE. 
          THEY MAY COME THERE FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT THEIR RESIDENCE IS NOT PINEDALE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          CINDY HUGHES. 
          HI, MY NAME IS CINDY HUGHES. 
          I LIVE AT 5 5 2 3 QUAIL RUN. 
          WE'VE BEEN HERE FIVE YEARS. 
          COME JANUARY. 
          LEFT LAS VEGAS TO GET AWAY FROM THE NOISE. 
          . 
          UM, YOU KNOW ABOUT THE NOISE, YOU KNOW ABOUT THE ROADS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE AN AIR CONDITIONER FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS AND I DON'T HAVE TO PAY AN AIR CONDITIONING BILL, BUT I CAN'T KEEP WINDOWS OPEN SOMETIMES EVEN DURING THE DAY IF IT'S LOUD. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I HAVE OWNED TWO BUSINESSES IN MY TIME AND I APPRECIATE A NEW TOWN BEING BUILT AND NEW FAMILIES COMING IN AND MOVING. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS. 
          THIS IS RETIREMENT TOWN. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TEENAGERS TO GET A JOB. 
          I ACTUALLY KNOW PEOPLE THAT LIVE BY US THAT ARE LOOKING FOR HANDYMEN AND PEOPLE TO COME HELP. 
          CAN'T FIND ANY. 
          I HAVE NOTICED MORE TRASH ALONG THE HIGHWAY. 
          WE STOP AND PICK IT UP. 
          AND AGAIN IN FIVE YEARS. 
          JUST NOTICED IT RECENTLY, THE PAST SUMMER. 
          UM, ALSO ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAD ALL THEIR WOOD STOLEN. 
          THAT WAS THE FIRST, THEY'VE BEEN THERE 20 YEARS. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED. 
          MORE PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT COME OUT, THEY DON'T LIVE THERE, THEY DON'T CARE, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST, THEY COME OUT. 
          YES, THEY'RE PAYING MONEY, THEY HAVE A BEAUTIFUL WEDDING OR WHATEVER. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S BEAUTIFUL PLACES EVERYWHERE. 
          GET MARRIED HERE, BUT GO PARTY SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, CATHERINE SEN SEN SEN, GO AHEAD THEN WE'LL HAVE WADE WARDEN AFTER THAT. 
          HI, I'M CATHERINE STINSON. 
          WE LIVE AT SIX 10 PETERSON LANE. 
          OUR PROPERTY IS A TRI, UH, RECTANGLE. 
          IT'S 12 ACRES AND PROBABLY THE BACK, HOWEVER MANY IS AGAINST THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, TO KEEP THIS SHORT, UM, SINCE THIS SPRING, I HAVE HORSES. 
          MY BACK GATES ARE OPEN AND I'VE WATCHED THE PEOPLE COME AND THEY WALK RIGHT BACK OVER TO WHEN THEY SEE SOMEONE COMING, THEY HEAD BACK OVER TO THIS AUREL HOUSE. 
          UM, I LOOKED OUT MY KITCHEN WINDOW ONE DAY AND THERE'S A MAN AND A WOMAN WITH A 2-YEAR-OLD BABY. 
          AND THEY WERE UP IN MY MIDDLE PASTURES AND I WENT RUNNING OUT THERE AND THE MAN SAYS, OH, HI, YOUR HORSES ARE BEAUTIFUL. 
          AND I SAID, HE IS A STALLION AND ANYTHING STARTLES SOME, YOUR BABY'S GONNA BE FUN. 
          OH. 
          BUT THE BABY WANTED TO MEET HIM. 
          HE TELLS ME AND I SAYS, YOU KNOW, HE TAPES OUT AT 1700 POUNDS. 
          AND THE MAN WAS VERY NICE AND HE APOLOGIZED AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE STAYING AT THE REALLY HOUSE. 
          UM, WE, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD AND THE WATER. 
          AND, AND IT ISN'T JUST WATER PRESSURE. 
          OUR WATER TURNS TO MUD WHEN IT, THE PRE, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT GOES LOW BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE END OF THAT WATER LINE. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          BUT, UM, WE HAVE PUT UP NO TRESPASSING SIGNS NOW AND KEEP THE GATE SHUT, KEEP OUT. 
          WE DON'T WANNA LIVE BEHIND THOSE KIND OF SIGNS. 
          I HAVE, THEY'VE HAD WEDDINGS THERE AND I'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH MY PASTURES AND PICK UP PAPER PLATES AND THOSE MYLAR BALLOONS WITH THE LITTLE RIBBONS TIED ON THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE BLOWN OVER. 
          AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW, WE HAD A YOUNG GIRL BRING A, A LAWN CHAIR AND SIT OUT IN THE DRY, DRY GRASS. 
          AND I WENT OUT AND I SAID, DO YOU KNOW THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY? AND SHE SAID, NO, IT'S NOT. 
          AND I SAID, IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          AND SHE WAS ABOUT 16, 17. 
          AND SHE PULLS UP HER HAND AND SHE SAID, WHAT DO YOU THINK I'M GONNA CATCH IT ON FIRE? 'CAUSE SHE'S SITTING OUT THERE SMOKING. 
          BUT SHE HAD A YOUNGER SISTER WHO ARE ENTICING THE HORSES TO COME EAT OVER THE FENCE. 
          AND, BUT THIS HAS BEEN QUITE A PROBLEM ALL SUMMER. 
          AND WE'VE MET REALLY NICE PEOPLE TOO. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA COME SEE THE HORSES, BUT THEY ASKED PERMISSION TO. 
          BUT ANYWAYS, THAT'S UH, MY CONCERN THAT WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE COME, WHEN YOU TURN INTO THEIR PROPERTY, IF YOU TURN RIGHT 
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OFF OF THAT RIM ROAD, YOU GO INTO THEIR PROPERTY, TURN LEFT, YOU GO INTO OURS AND THEY JUST, EVERYBODY FEELS LIKE THEY CAN JUST COME. 
          AND I JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY, OH, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS, THIS HAPPENED TO MY PARENTS. 
          THEY LEASED SOME PROPERTY. 
          PEOPLE HAD A HORSE, SOMEONE LET IT OUT, A GIRL HID IT, PARALYZED HER FROM THE NECK DOWN, KILLED THE HORSE. 
          AND MY AND MY PARENTS DIDN'T LIVE THERE, BUT THEY WERE SUED FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS 'CAUSE THEY OWNED THE PROPERTY. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY HURT AND I DON'T WANT MY HORSES HURT AND I DON'T WANNA BE SUED. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, WADE AND THEN DENNIS STINSON A LOT OF WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, I'M WE WARDEN. 
          I LIVE AT 5 51 ELK DRIVE, PINEDALE ESTATES FULL-TIME RESIDENT. 
          WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE, UH, LATE 2017. 
          MY WIFE AND I, BARBARA MOVED UP HERE, TOOK US THREE YEARS TO FIND A PLACE UP HERE. 
          WE REALLY LIKED, WE MOVED UP HERE TO GET AWAY FROM THE NOISE. 
          WE CAME FROM GREEN VALLEY, ARIZONA WHERE THE NOISE JUST KEPT COMING UP FROM SOUTH OF THE BORDER. 
          SO WE CAME UP HERE FOR THE SAME REASON THAT MOST FOLKS LIVE UP HERE. 
          FOR THE PEACE OF QUIET, FOR CLEAN AIR. 
          THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. 
          THIS IS GONNA HAVE WITH 125 PEOPLE UP AND DOWN OUR ROAD. 
          YEAH, IT'S GONNA DESTROY THE ROAD. 
          BUT WHAT ABOUT THE AIR QUALITY? WHAT ABOUT THE AIR THAT WE BREATHE EVERY DAY AND HOW LONG THAT TAKES TO SETTLE DOWN? THEN THERE'S 125 PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN AT A WEDDING, AT A RECEPTION, DRINKING, DRIVING 3.7 MILES OF DIRT ROAD WITH NO LIGHTS, CATTLE, ELK, DEER, TURKEYS, MOUNTAIN LIONS, BEARS, ALL THE WILDLIFE. 
          WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE WILDLIFE WHEN THEY HAVE A PARTY? NOW IT'S FOUR TO FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE WILDLIFE RETURNS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT SCARES 'EM AWAY. 
          BUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF THOSE DRUNK PEOPLE TAKE OUT SOME OF THOSE COWS, THE L SEVEN RANCH, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? IT'S GONNA DESTROY CARS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO GET HELP TO THOSE PEOPLE RIGHT AWAY, DOWN THAT ROAD. 
          AND AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE'S ALSO THE FIRE POSSIBILITIES REALLY. 
          THAT'S A LOT THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT I HAD TO SAY, BUT IT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED. 
          UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO RILED UP AND THAT'S JUST HOW I GET, THAT'S HOW I AM. 
          BUT HE HAS STATED, AND HE STATED IT AT HIS MEETING, THAT THEY WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. 
          WELL, IF YOU WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, TAKE YOUR RESORT AND GET IT OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA JUST 'CAUSE YOU WANNA MAKE A BUCK. 
          THANKS WADE. 
          UH, DENNIS STINSON FROM ME, BUT I TRIED. 
          HI, MY NAME IS DENNIS STINSON. 
          I LIVE AT SIX 10 PETERSON LANE. 
          MY PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THEIRS. 
          MY WIFE SPOKE. 
          YOU TURN TO RIGHT. 
          YOU GO INTO THEIR PROPERTY, YOU TURN LEFT, YOU COME INTO MINE. 
          UH, WE'VE HAD, LIKE MY WIFE SAID, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE JUST COME IN. 
          WE'VE HAD TO PUT UP SIGNS, YOU KNOW, NO TRESPASSING. 
          UH, THE MAN SAYS HE WANTS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          I LIVE, WE SHARE A DRIVEWAY. 
          I'VE NEVER MET THE GUY, NEVER COME OVER, NEVER SAID NOTHING, NEVER GAVE ME HIS PHONE NUMBER, NEVER ASKED ME WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          UH, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE TALKED TO HIM. 
          THEM THE ROAD. 
          I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD ROAD, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY. 
          YOU PUT 125 CARS OR, UH, NOT 120. 
          LET'S JUST SAY YOU PUT 70 CARS FROM PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, DOUBLE UP. 
          THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK THOSE CARS THERE. 
          THEY CAN SAY THEY HAVE FIVE ACRES, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE FIVE ACRES TO PARK CARS. 
          THEY WOULD BE ON MY PROPERTY. 
          THEY WOULD BE ON THE ROAD IF SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN. 
          THERE'S A LADY THAT LIVES IN THE VERY BACK, BACK THERE. 
          WE ALL SHARE THE SAME DRIVEWAY. 
          SHE COULD NEVER GET OUT OF THERE. 
          SHOCKEY. 
          HE LIVES THERE. 
          HE COULDN'T GET OUT OF THERE. 
          HE LIKES IT BECAUSE THEY PAY HIM. 
          UH, THE THE 14 PART PLAN THAT HE HAD THAT YOU COULDN'T READ, I NEVER SAW IT BEFORE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE SAW IT. 
          DID THEY, COULD ANYBODY READ THAT? NOPE. 
          NOPE. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT. 
          UH, THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT THOSE, THAT MANY CARS THERE, AND WE HAD A FIRE TO, TO SAY NOTHING OF. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER VRBO THAT'S JUST BEHIND 
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HIM AND MY NEIGHBOR AND THEY HAVE HUGE BONFIRES OVER THERE. 
          SCARES THE HELL OUT OF US. 
          WE DON'T EVEN, WE DON'T EVEN LET PEOPLE SMOKE ON OUR PROPERTY. 
          LIKE MY WIFE WAS SAYING, THEY COME OVER THERE AND THEY SMOKE AND YOU KNOW, ANYTHING. 
          JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE HAD A TERRIBLE FIRE. 
          IT, IT HIT HIS PLACE. 
          UH, ZACHARY'S IT HIT OURS. 
          IT HIT IT TOOK OUT A WHOLE HOUSE AND THAT WAS NOTHING. 
          AND WE, WHAT HAPPENED WAS, IT WAS JUST, I GUESS SHE SAID IT WAS A CIGARETTE BUTT, BUT THE WIND CAME UP AND IT, IT WENT FOR ACRES AND ACRES. 
          AND IF THAT WAS TO HAPPEN, THOSE PEOPLE COULD NEVER GET OUT OF THERE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          I'M A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN EVERYBODY ELSE HERE. 
          THE NOISE I, YOU KNOW, I CAN PUT UP WITH THE NOISE. 
          BUT IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE IF HE WOULD'VE COME OVER AND SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO. 
          WHAT DO YOU, WHAT'S YOUR INPUT? WELL, HE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO TALK. 
          THANK YOU, DENNIS. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE WE'RE GONNA OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE, THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THIS, UH, BUT I WANTED TO THANK EVERYONE THAT CAME UP AND, AND SPOKE THEIR OPINION. 
          UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES. 
          WE ARE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          IF THIS PASSES, IT GOES OR FAILS, IT GOES ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          AND SO WE'RE KIND OF THE INITIAL HEARING. 
          UH, WE MAKE OUR JUDGMENT AND THEN IT GOES ON TO THEM. 
          SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE FINAL DECISION. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES AND DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH THE ZONING, WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAPPEN WITH, UH, NAVAJO COUNTY AND THE PUBLIC AS WELL. 
          SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL UH, KIND OF OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS TO EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT, UH, REGARDING THIS MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR MR. MARK. 
          AND IF WE COULD COME BACK UP, SIR, WHAT'S THE, IF THIS PASSES, UH, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF YOUR VENUE? SO WE WOULD, UH, EXPECT, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'D HAVE ABOUT A MONTH TO GET THROUGH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT WE WOULD EXPECT THE PLANNING PART OF THIS WITH ARCHITECTURE AND ALL THE PLANNING GOES IN TO TAKE TWO TO THREE MONTHS AT LEAST. 
          UM, THEN WE WOULD EXPECT CONSTRUCTION TO PROBABLY LAST ANOTHER FIVE TO SIX MONTHS. 
          SO PROBABLY A TOTAL OF, UM, ANYWHERE FROM SEVEN TO NINE MONTHS IN TOTAL. 
          AND, AND THESE EVENTS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE ON YOUR PROPERTY, DO YOU ALLOW ALCOHOL OR SELL ALCOHOL AT THESE EVENTS? UH, NO. 
          WE WOULD NEVER FACILITATE SELLING ALCOHOL. 
          NOW IF GUESTS BRING ALCOHOL, UM, THEY CAN CURRENTLY, UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE REGULATE AS IT IS A VACATION RENTAL AND THEY CAN CHOOSE TO BRING ALCOHOL IF THEY'D LIKE. 
          AND IS LIVE MUSIC A ALLOWED ON, ON YOUR PROPERTY FOR THESE EVENTS OR IS IT JUST A DJ? SO, UH, I WILL SAY, UM, LIVE MUSIC, UH, WE HAVEN'T REALLY ADDRESSED THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD LIVE MUSIC TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          BUT, UM, AS, AS MENTIONED, UH, WE HAD A LEARNING CURVE TO BE HONEST. 
          WE HAD SOMEBODY COME AND PLAY SOME LOUD MUSIC, WHICH WE FOUND OUT AFTER, WHICH I DO APOLOGIZE FOR. 
          THAT REALLY WAS NEVER MY INTENTION. 
          UM, WE HAVE SINCE STARTED A POLICY OF IF THERE'S GOING TO BE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE MUSIC THAT'S CEREMONIAL IN NATURE, SOFT TYPE MUSIC. 
          UM, AND I WOULD HOPE IF ANY NEIGHBOR OR ANYBODY HEARS OTHERWISE THAT THEY WOULD LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I LET EVERY GUEST KNOW AHEAD OF TIME THAT THAT IS NOT ALLOWED GOING FORWARD. 
          AND HOW MANY EVENTS DO YOU ANTICIPATE HAVING ANNUALLY? WELL, OUR CURRENT PROPOSAL, UM, IS TO ALLOW IT DURING THE MONTHS OF APRIL THROUGH OCTOBER. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, TO BE QUITE HONEST, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. 
          WE KNOW WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS AND, UH, TO BE HONEST, WE TURN A LOT DOWN RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND, UH, DURING THOSE MONTHS, I, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SAY I, I JUST DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , DO YOU ACTUALLY LIVE THERE OR PART-TIME OR WHAT, WHAT IS THE NO, I DON'T, I DON'T LIVE THERE AND I, I I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD'VE COME FROM. 
          I WOULD NEVER HAVE CLAIMED TO HAVE LIVED UP HERE. 
          UM, I LIVE THE MAJORITY OF THE YEAR HERE, UH, DOWN IN THE VALLEY IN GILBERT. 
          UM, AND I DO LIVE IN THE, THE SUMMERS IN ALASKA. 
          UM, JUST SOMETHING I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO AND BEEN FORTUNATE TO DO SINCE I WAS YOUNG. 
          BUT, UH, NO, I DON'T LIVE UP, UH, IN PINEDALE FULL TIME. 
          MR. CHAIR, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION WITH CODY, IF WE COULD GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU, CODY. 
          JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO I'M CLEAR THE, IF IF THE, 
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IF THE PERMIT IS DENIED TONIGHT, EVENTS WILL STILL OCCUR ON THIS PROPERTY AND MR. MARKHAM WOULD BE WITHIN HIS LEGAL RIGHT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE EVENTS EVEN WITHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE VENUE. 
          COMMISSIONER BOER ON THAT SIDE? I, I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE SCOPE OF THE EVENT, BUT IF THIS WERE TO BE DENIED AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR STAGE, THIS WOULD'VE NO IMPACT ON THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          UM, I GUESS FOR EXAMPLE, IF A, A RENTER CHOSE TO BRING THEIR FRIENDS AND PARTY, WE, WE HAVE NO WAY OF LIMITING THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT SOMETHING CODIFIED BY ORDINANCE. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT WITH THIS PERMIT WAS THOSE FORMAL WEDDING EVENTS. 
          UM, WE HAVE NO REAL PURVIEW OVER INFORMAL EVENTS RELATED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WHICH ARE NOT REGULATED IN NAVAJO COUNTY, BUT OTHER WEDDING EVENTS COULD STILL HAPPEN. 
          THEY'VE, THERE'VE BEEN OTHER EVENTS POTENTIALLY WITH SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS OR OTHERWISE FOR THAT. 
          UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY REPORTS ON THEM AND I, I CAN'T LOOK BACKWARDS ON THAT. 
          BUT, UM, IN A, A FORMAL CAPACITY, NO, BASED ON ORDINANCE, IT WOULD NEED SOME TYPE OF APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, GO AHEAD CODY. 
          UM, I MOVED UP HERE IN EARLY NINETIES AND I LIVED IN PINEDALE. 
          WE HAD WEDDINGS, I BELIEVE IT, LEWIS CANYON PARK, UH, OUT THERE EVERY WEEKEND, LOUD MUSIC, EVERYTHING. 
          I WAS ON THE CLAY SPRINGS PINEDALE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS AN EMT, AND I SPENT, I DON'T 90, UH, 3 94 TO PINEDALE ESTATES FIRE. 
          I PUT THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF WATER DOWN ON CABINS AND STUFF IN PINEDALE ESTATES AND NOBODY COMPLAINED ABOUT NOISE INN AND IT WAS TOTALLY UNREGULATED COMING OUT OF THE LEWIS CANYON PARK. 
          UM, AND JUST AN OBSERVATION, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY STILL HAVE WEDDINGS PRACTICALLY EVERY WEEKEND THERE OR NOT. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION? NO, NOT YET. 
          UM, DO, DO YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT'S BEFORE MY TIME PERSONALLY HERE WITH THE COUNTY. 
          UM, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU OVERALL FOR THE COUNTY CURRENTLY AND HISTORICALLY WE DO NOT HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE, WE HAVE NEVER HAD A NOISE OR SOUND ORDINANCE WITHIN NAVAJO COUNTY. 
          UM, WE DID LOOK AT THE SITE ITSELF WITH THE CONCERNS OVER THE SOUND. 
          SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EVENT BARN IS HOPEFULLY SUPPOSED TO COVER SOME OF THIS, BUT ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE PUT CONDITIONS REGARDING OUTDOOR EVENTS NOT OCCURRING BEYOND THE HOURS OF 12:00 PM SO NOON TILL 10:00 PM AND THEN ANY EVENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE OUTDOORS AND PRODUCING LOUD MUSIC NEED TO BE MOVED INDOORS TO EITHER THE EXISTING HOMES OR THE PROPOSED EVENT VENUE. 
          UM, SO WHILE WE DON'T HAVE A A NOISE ORDINANCE, WE HAVE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS TO TRY TO MITIGATE THAT NOISE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          WHAT WERE THOSE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AGAIN? SO THOSE RECOMMENDED CONDI, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ 'EM VERBATIM? DETERMINE, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO CONDITION EIGHT IS, SORRY, CONDITION SEVEN WE'LL START WITH IS OUTDOOR EVENTS SHALL OCCUR, ONLY OCCUR BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 12:00 PM AND 10:00 PM AND THEN CONDITION EIGHT IS THAT ANY EVENTS THAT PRODUCE LOUD MUSIC SHALL OCCUR ONLY WITHIN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS OR PROPOSED EVENT BARN. 
          THOSE EVENTS PRODUCING LOUD MUSIC SHALL NOT OCCUR OUTDOORS AND ARE FAIRLY NEW LIGHT, UH, LIGHT ORDINANCE WOULD THAT AFFECT THAT AREA. 
          SO ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, TO CONFORM WITH THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE. 
          ALSO ON THIS, THIS IS A TYPICAL CONDITION THAT WE PUT THROUGH FOR ANY COMMERCIAL OR SEMI-COMMERCIAL USAGE, WHICH IS CONDITION THREE, WHICH IS THAT ALL LIGHTING ON THE PROPERTY SHALL BE SHIELDED TO REFLECT DOWNWARD, BE MOTION ACTIVATED, BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE NAVAJO COUNTY LIGHTING ORDINANCE. 
          NOW OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE RELATED TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION RELATED TO THE BARN. 
          UH, WE AREN'T ABLE TO GOVERN ANY EXISTING STRUCTURES OR EXISTING LIGHTING BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE CONSIDERED LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING. 
          OKAY. 
          CODY? I HAVE, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE LAWS ARE HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE WE CAN ALL HAVE PREFERENCES, BUT THERE'S LAWS THAT GOVERN WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO. 
          SO CURRENTLY I COULD LIVE IN PINEDALE ESTATES AND I COULD BLARE MY MUSIC TILL 12 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 
          THERE'S NO LAW SAYS I CAN'T DO THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AS FAR AS THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THERE'S NOTHING REGULATED THERE. 
          THERE, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING REGARDING DISTURBING THE PIECE WITH, WITH, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          YEAH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY TO THE LEVEL OF NOISE, SO I COULDN'T COMMENT IF THERE WOULDN'T BE OTHER, YOU KNOW, RELATED CHARGES TO THAT. 
          UM, BUT AS FAR AS NOISE SPECIFICALLY, THERE'S NOTHING REGULATING THE DECIBELS OF ANY NOISE PRODUCED ON A PROPERTY IN NAVAJO COUNTY. 
          SO IF THIS PASSES, THEN THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THERE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RUN MUSIC PAST 10:00 PM ESSENTIALLY. 
          YEAH, NO OUTDOOR EVENTS 
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PAST 10:00 PM AND ANY, ANY LOUD EVENTS WOULD NEED TO BE INDOORS REGARDLESS OF THE TIMING. 
          SO THIS IS ACTUALLY PUTTING MORE RESTRICTIONS ON THIS PROPERTY AND HELPING TO THEM TO HAVE TO FOLLOW A RULE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE A RULE. 
          THEY COULD STAY AS AN AIRBNB VRBO FOREVER DOING LOUD EVENTS AND NAVAJO CAN AND CAN'T DO ANYTHING. 
          BUT WITH THIS SUP NOW THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S SOME RULES. 
          YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THESE RULES. 
          IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IT WOULD BE RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO THE EVENTS AND THOSE EVENTS HOSTED HERE. 
          SO ANYTHING WHERE THERE WOULD STILL BE SHORT-TERM RENTAL GUESTS, WE WOULD HAVE NO, NO REAL PURVIEW. 
          IF IT'S NOT SCHEDULED AROUND AN EVENT, BUT RELATED TO THE EVENTS, THIS WOULD EFFECTIVELY PUT GUARDRAILS AND, UH, SOME TYPES OF CONDITIONS FOR REGULATION ON THE PROPERTY AND THE USAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I WANNA KIND OF ADJUST SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES. 
          THE ROAD, I MEAN, THE ROAD, IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THE BLAME IS GETTING PUT ON MR. MARKHAM'S PROPERTY. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, WHAT, WHAT'S NAVAJO COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY ON THE ROAD? I WILL, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE, THE COUNTY ENGINEER. 
          UM, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU AS FAR AS WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED RIGHT NOW AND WHAT'S CONDITIONED IS WE DID RECEIVE THAT, UH, PRELIMINARY TRAFFIC, UH, STUDY. 
          AND WE HAVE REQUIRED AS A CONDITION THAT A FINAL TRAFFIC STUDY SHALL BE APPROVED BY PUBLIC WORKS, UH, WHICH WOULD BE OUR, OUR COUNTY ENGINEER AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR PRIOR TO ANY CONSTRUCTION OR UTILIZE UTILIZATION OF THE SPECIAL PRIVILEGES GRANTED BY THE PERMIT. 
          UM, AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE AND RESPONSIBILITY, THOUGH, I'D HAVE TO LEAVE THAT TO THE COUNTY ENGINEER WILL FLAKE, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF MY DEPARTMENT, WILL, IS PRESENT HERE. 
          IF YOU NEED TO RUN IT BY HIM, WELCOME TO THE HOT SEAT. 
          WILL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN, DO YOU WANNA REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, I JUST WANNA ADDRESS EVERYONE'S CONCERNS. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY SEEM TO SAY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THAT, WHETHER IT'S ANIMALS OR DRINKING, DRIVING. 
          I MEAN, THAT COULD BE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, AIRBNB WISE, BUT JUST WHAT, WHAT'S NAVAJO COUNT COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY WITH THE ROAD AND DO YOU SEE AN ISSUE WITH THIS? SO, NAVAJO COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY, WE, WE PROVIDE REGULAR MAINTENANCE ON THE ROAD. 
          UM, WE DO REQUIRE A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT CODY, UM, REFERENCED ALREADY AND WHAT, WHAT THAT WILL ADDRESS. 
          CARS GOING UP AND DOWN A ROAD THAT WON'T REALLY, EXCUSE ME, THAT WON'T REALLY ADDRESS THAT. 
          CARS GO UP AND DOWN ROADS ALL THE TIME. 
          WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL ADDRESS IS, UM, KEEPING TRAFFIC MOVING, UM, TURN LANES, STAYING, CARS BACKING UP TO TURN FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT AS FAR AS, BUT CARS GOING UP AND DOWN A ROAD, A TRAFFIC STUDY DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS THAT. 
          SO YOU DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS EVENT AS FAR AS THE ROADS ARE CONCERNED? CORRECT. 
          BASED, IT'S, IT'S BASED ON A TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL ADDRESS THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC AND IF THE, IF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THERE CAN HANDLE THE, THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. 
          LET ME JUST BACK UP A LITTLE BIT TOO. 
          WHAT, WHAT WILL TYPICALLY HAPPEN IS WHEN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IS PUT ON A ROAD, THEN THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL LOOK AT MITIGATING ANY PROBLEMS THAT, THAT MIGHT CAUSE. 
          TYPICALLY CARS GOING UP AND DOWN A ROAD ISN'T AN ISSUE. 
          UM, IT'S LIKE I MENTIONED, IT'S MORE, UM, WAITING, QUEUING IN LINES FOR TURNING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO IT'LL ADDRESS THAT. 
          UM, WHICH COULD BE ADDING A TURN LANE SO CARS CAN TURN RIGHT AND LEFT. 
          SO THERE'S NOT AS MUCH, UM, QUEUING AND STACKING THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT AS FAR AS JUST DRIVING UP AND DOWN A ROAD, IT WON'T TYPICALLY ADDRESS THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          , UM, JUST KIND OF, I, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED THEY MIGHT WANT TO TALK. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THE, THE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THIS IS NOW CLOSED. 
          AND SO, UH, ESSENTIALLY THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE RULES OF HOW IT WORKS AROUND HERE. 
          THERE ARE, ARE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE TO SPEAK AND BECAUSE NOW THAT TIME'S PASSED, IT'S CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE ZONING, CODY. 
          SO IT SAYS A GENERAL, UM, AND IT SAID, I THINK YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING IN THE FIRST PART ABOUT NAVAJO COUNTY'S PLANNING FOR THIS AREA. 
          THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE THING. 
          YEAH, SO THE, THIS IS PART OF THE, THE NAVAJO COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          IT HAS A LAND USE MAP THAT EXISTS ON THIS, UM, THIS PORTION, PINEDALE IN GENERAL IS PART OF THE RECREATION CHARACTER AREA. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE REFINED 
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CHARACTER AREAS. 
          WE HAVE ITEMS LIKE RURAL RESIDENTIAL, WHERE IT'S VERY RURAL, VERY SPREAD OUT. 
          RURAL RANCH WHERE IT CAN BE LARGER AS WELL. 
          THIS IS A PART OF THE RECREATIONAL CHARACTER AREA, THE ENTIRETY OF PINEDALE HERE. 
          AND SO THAT RECREATIONAL AREA ENCOURAGES THINGS LIKE FIRST HOMES, SECOND HOMES, GUEST RESORTS, LODGINGS, ANYTHING THAT WOULD ENHANCE TOURISM. 
          AND THAT'S DUE TO THE ADJACENCY TO THE, THE FOREST AROUND HERE. 
          UM, SO IT, IT DOES ENCOURAGE SOME OF THOSE COMMERCIAL AND SEMI-COMMERCIAL USES AS WELL AS VACATION HOMES AND SECOND HOMES WITHIN THAT CHARACTER AREA. 
          SO THIS AREA IS JUST TO KIND OF MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR, IS YOU SAID REFINED AS RECREATIONAL? LIKE IT'S, THAT'S, IT'S DEFINED AS THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO THAT, THAT IS IT, IT'S NOT REGULATORY AS FAR AS THAT. 
          THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS NOT REGULATORY, BUT IT MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS OUR LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND BREAKDOWNS OF POTENTIAL USES. 
          AND THIS AREA WAS DESIGNATED ON THE LAND USE MAP WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A RECREATION AREA. 
          AND WITH THAT, IT THEN MEANS THAT THE COUNTY WITH DECISION MAKING WOULD RECOMMEND THOSE RECREATIONAL USES OR THOSE THAT COULD ENHANCE OR TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RECREATION AND TOURISM IN THE REGION. 
          SO THE COUNTY WANTS STUFF LIKE THIS. 
          IT WAS WHAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT WENT THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF. 
          THAT'S NOT TO SAY THE COUNTY IS AN ORGANIZATION, BUT THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS THAT ADOPTED DOCUMENT HAS INDICATED WHEN WE REVIEW THESE PROJECTS THAT WE RECOMMEND THOSE THAT ARE IN HARMONY WITH THE CHARACTER AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. MARKHAM. 
          I, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I'VE GOT SMALL KIDS, I WOULDN'T WANT, YOU KNOW, NOISE BLARING AT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT. 
          LIKE, IS THERE ANYTHING, LIKE, WHAT DO YOU SPECIFICALLY DO TO BE ABLE TO REGULATE? BECAUSE I, I FEEL LIKE THE MAIN CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ROAD WATER. 
          UM, I GUESS ALCOHOL USE A LITTLE BIT AND, AND THEN THE NOISE. 
          AND MOST OF THOSE DON'T REALLY HAVE, I MEAN, THAT COULD BE AN AIR AIRBNB, THAT COULD BE A VACATION, ANY TYPE OF VACATION. 
          IT COULD JUST BE A BIG FAMILY LIKE THAT, THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE WEDDING, REALLY. 
          THE, THE MAIN ONES, THE NOISE AND, AND I UNDERSTAND. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU DO TO BE ABLE TO REGULATE THAT MOVING FORWARD? WHAT CAN YOU DO TO BETTER REGULATE THAT FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS? YEAH. 
          UM, I THINK IT WAS WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY SOME EVENTS DID HAPPEN AT OUR PROPERTY AND THAT WAS A LEARNING CURVE FOR US. 
          AND WE WERE ALREADY ADOPTING A LOT OF THINGS. 
          LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I SHOWED THE PICTURE BY EVERY DOOR IN OUR PROPERTY THAT'S REMINDING PEOPLE AS THEY GO OUTSIDE, UM, TO PLEASE KEEP THE NOISE TO RESPECTABLE LEVELS. 
          UM, AND I WOULD SAY, UH, ANOTHER PART TO THAT IS, UM, I HAVE BEEN VERY VIGILANT WITH OUR MESSAGING TO GUESTS WHERE WE ASK THEM MULTIPLE TIMES LEADING UP TO IT, THEY GET AUTOMATED MESSAGES SAYING, PLEASE RESPECT THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND, UM, THE NOISE LEVELS WHEN YOU ARE OUTSIDE. 
          AND WE EVEN TOOK IT UPON OURSELVES. 
          UM, AS MENTIONED, WE KNOW THERE'S NO NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT WE'VE ASKED ALL GUESTS, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR VACATION RENTAL USE CURRENTLY, UM, THAT THEY DON'T EVEN USE SPEAKERS OUTSIDE AFTER SIX O'CLOCK. 
          UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE ACTIONS, UM, REGULARLY. 
          IF WE HEAR FEEDBACK FROM NEIGHBORS LIKE, HEY, THERE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T WORKING BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. 
          I DON'T JUST SIT THERE AND SAY, WELL, WHATEVER, THERE'S NO NOISE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, LIVE WITH IT. 
          I CAN TRULY TELL YOU, LIKE I, I GO BACK EVERY TIME AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO. 
          UM, AND ON TOP OF IT, I KNOW, UM, THERE'S BEEN A BIT OF, UM, I DON'T KNOW, NEGATIVITY SAYING MY NEIGHBOR GETS PAID. 
          I, I TRULY ASK HIM BECAUSE HE'S SO CLOSE TO MY PROPERTY, UM, TO JUST TELL ME IF PEOPLE ARE BEING LOUD OR DISRESPECTFUL. 
          'CAUSE I WANT TO KNOW IMMEDIATELY. 
          AND I DON'T WANT HIM SITTING THERE ALL, ALL DAYS OF THE HOUR ACTING LIKE HE'S GOTTA TALK TO ME. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER STEP I'VE TAKEN WHERE HE DOES LET ME KNOW RIGHT AWAY IF HE FEELS LIKE NOISE LEVELS ARE NOT RESPECTABLE. 
          AND I IMMEDIATELY MESSAGED THE GUEST, UM, IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW WHO IT WAS. 
          I HAD A NEIGHBOR I GAVE MY NUMBER TO PROBABLY ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO. 
          UM, AFTER THE COMMUNITY MEETING, I, I GAVE EVERYBODY MY CELL PHONE NUMBER THAT WAS THERE. 
          UM, AND SHE HAD TEXTED ME SAYING, HEY, NOISE IS GETTING LOUD. 
          SHE EVEN SENT ME A VIDEO AND I AGREED. 
          AND I, AND IT WAS JUST A VACATION RENTAL GUEST, NOT AN EVENT, IMMEDIATELY TEXTED THE GUEST. 
          I SAID, YOU GUYS ARE BEEN WAY TOO LOUD. 
          NEIGHBORS WERE TEXTING ME AND THEY IMMEDIATELY SHUT IT OFF. 
          UM, AND, UM, AND THEY WERE RESPECTFUL OF THE REST OF THEIR STAY THERE. 
          AND THAT NEIGHBOR THANKED ME AFTER FOR JUMPING ON IT SO QUICKLY. 
          SO I CAN TELL YOU I'M BEING PROACTIVE AND AS VIGILANT AS I, AS I CAN, AND 
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I'M WILLING TO TAKE MORE RECOMMENDATIONS AND CHANGE, UM, APPROPRIATELY. 
          WELL, OH YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          CAN I ASK ONE? YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, MR. MARKHAM, UH, PARKING, SOMEONE BROUGHT UP PARKING. 
          I, EARLIER THIS YEAR, UH, MY FAMILY RENTED A VACATION RENTAL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , NOT, NOT IN THIS COMMUNITY, IN ANOTHER ONE. 
          VERY SIMILAR SITUATION IN A, IN A VERY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY ALSO HAD SIGNS ABOUT THE NOISE. 
          BUT IN REGARD TO THE PARKING, THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC. 
          NEVER EVER PARKED A CAR ON THE STREET. 
          I'M, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS I DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION ENOUGH. 
          WHAT DID YOU HAVE FOR PARKING? SO, AS PART OF OUR PACKET WE SUBMITTED, UM, WHEN IT'S SPECIFICALLY IN RELATION TO THIS PERMIT, WE DID SUBMIT A, UM, A MAP OF PARKING THAT WE'VE DESIGNATED TO HANDLE ENOUGH PARKING. 
          AND I COORDINATED THAT WITH, UH, CODY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IT WAS SUFFICIENT FOR THE AMOUNT, AMOUNT OF CARS FOR THE AMOUNT OF ATTENDANCE WE COULD EXPECT UP TO 125. 
          UM, AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF LAND THAT IS OPEN RIGHT NOW ON OUR PROPERTY. 
          AND HONESTLY, WE, WE DESIGNATED I THINK 25 OR 30 PARKING SPOTS, BUT QUITE HONESTLY, WE COULD MAKE A LOT MORE IF WE REALLY WANTED TO. 
          UM, AND TO ADD TO THAT, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME SAYING THAT, UM, GUESTS MAY PARK OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY BOUNDARIES. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW AS A VACATION RENTAL SPECIFICALLY THAT IS ON THE MESSAGING FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE SEND BEFOREHAND, IS THAT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY NOT ALLOWED TO PARK OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY. 
          UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, FOR ANYBODY HERE THAT'S SAYING THAT'S HAPPENING, I WOULD BE GLAD TO TAKE THAT MESSAGE AND I WILL GET ON OUR RENTERS AND LET 'EM KNOW YOU GOTTA GET THAT CAR OUT OF THERE. 
          UM, THAT'S PART OF US BEING RESPECTFUL AND I APOLOGIZE IF THAT'S HAPPENED. 
          UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA BE AVAILABLE EVERY TIME THERE'S AN EVENT FOR MESSAGING, BUT YOU HAD MENTIONED HAVING AN EVENT MANAGER. 
          WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK OUT? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, IN THE REAL WORLD, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY BEING TIED TO THEIR PHONE, YOU KNOW, EVERY SECOND WHEN, BECAUSE THERE'S AN EVENT HAPPENING AND YOU'RE UP IN ALASKA AND THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENING DOWN IN, IN PINEDALE. 
          SO IT DOESN'T GIVE ME A REAL STRONG CONFIDENCE LEVEL THAT THERE'S, I'M, I'M NOT SEEING HOW THAT'S PUT TOGETHER. 
          WHERE IF THERE'S AN IMMEDIATE ISSUE THAT'S REALLY OFFENSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT? YOU DEAL WITH IT AFTER THE FACT, OR IS THERE A WAY OF PUTTING A STOP TO THAT WITHIN WITH A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. 
          SO, AS PART OF WHAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, YOU'RE RIGHT, I'M NOT GONNA BE AVAILABLE 24 7, UM, AND THAT THAT IS TRUE. 
          AND SO WHEN WE'RE CHARGING FOR SOMEBODY TO DO AN EVENT, HOW I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT IS I'M GOING TO BAKE IN THE COST FOR SOMEBODY TO BE THERE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN EVENT MANAGER ONE FOR PARKING. 
          'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE GET IN, THEY'RE NOT PARKING ON THE ROAD. 
          AND THEN TWO, TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES THAT'S BEEN DESIGNATED. 
          BECAUSE IF I GET THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE LAST THING I WANNA DO IS LOSE IT BY SOME, YOU KNOW, GUESTS THAT'S NOT THINKING AND DOES SOMETHING AGAINST WHAT'S ALLOWABLE. 
          SO, UM, CURRENTLY I FEEL FORTUNATE THAT, UM, I HAVE SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN BEING THAT EVENT MANAGER THAT WOULD BE THERE. 
          AND OF COURSE I'D PAY THEM TO BE THERE DURING THE DURATION OF THE EVENT TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING'S BEING FOLLOWED. 
          UM, AND IF I REALLY NEEDED TO, I I, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE FINDING AN EVENT MANAGER THAT WOULD BE THERE FOR EVERY EVENT. 
          WE'D MAKE SURE THE PAY WOULD, UH, INCENTIVIZE SOMEONE TO WANT TO BE THERE AND HELP US MAKE SURE THE RULES ARE BEING FOLLOWED. 
          OKAY. 
          ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WITH THE PARKING, UM, AT ANY GIVEN POINT I 125 YES. 
          HOW MANY, HOW MANY MAXIMUM VEHICLES WOULD YOU SEE THAT, THAT EQUATING TO? SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION TOO, BECAUSE WHEN I STARTED THIS, I WAS LIKE, I, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M NOT A, AN ENGINEER. 
          AND, UH, LUCKILY I WAS ABLE TO, TO TALK TO, UM, CODY AND, UH, SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES AT THE, UM, COUNTY OFFICE HERE, AND THEY TOLD ME I NEEDED TO DESIGNATE AT LEAST 25, UM, WHICH WAS THE ALLOWABLE AMOUNT FOR THAT AMOUNT OF ATTENDANCE. 
          UM, WHICH WAS FAIRLY EASY TO ILLUSTRATE ON MY PROPERTY WITH THAT PARKING MAP I PROVIDED. 
          UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, I, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO MAKE A LOT MORE THAN THAT. 
          UH, THERE IS A LOT OF OPEN PROPERTY AND ON TOP OF THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF SHEDS AND DIFFERENT THINGS ON MY PROPERTY THAT I DO NOT USE AND I COULD EASILY MOVE THEM AND MAKE MORE PARKING WHERE THOSE ITEMS ARE. 
          UM, SO IF I REALLY NEEDED TO, I THINK I COULD GO EVEN MORE TO DOUBLE 25 UP TO 50 PARKING SPOTS IF I REALLY, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO, IF IT'S GONNA BE AN EVENT FOR 125 PEOPLE. 
          UM, AND, AND I DON'T, AND I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT, UM, NO, THAT'S OKAY. 
          THE, THE 25 PARKING SPOTS 
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AS WELL, THAT'S ALL ON THE BACK OF OUR, UM, PROPERTY. 
          UM, WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF OPEN, UM, UH, OPEN LAND, UH, THAT DOESN'T EVEN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE A HUGE ROUNDABOUT IN THE FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY WITH COVERED PARKING AND MULTIPLE SPOTS WHERE THERE'S A GARAGE AREA. 
          UH, SO AS I MENTIONED, I COULD MAKE A MAP THAT WOULD FIND A LOT MORE PARKING IF NEEDED AS WELL. 
          AND THIS IS GONNA BE SIGNIFICANTLY DESIGNATED, RIGHT? NOT JUST THERE'S ROOM THERE, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE ACTUAL PARKING SPACES THAT WILL BE DE WHERE I'M GETTING AT WITH THIS IS YOU GET 25 TO 50 VEHICLES IN THERE AND HOW IS THAT GONNA PLAY OUT FOR EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT TO GET IN THERE, AN AMBULANCE TO GET IN THERE, WHICH I'S ALWAYS FOLLOWED BY A FIRE TRUCK WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY EVENT AND SOMEBODY GETS HURT, SOMEBODY HAS A HEART ATTACK, SOMEBODY HAS A FALL MM-HMM. 
          , IS THERE GONNA BE ADEQUATE PROMPT ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AT ALL OF THESE EVENTS TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE IN THE EVENT SOMEBODY NEEDS EMERGENCY CARE? UH, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY CONSULT, UM, WITH AN ENGINEER AS I BUILD THIS PROPERTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS THE CASE. 
          UH, I WOULD NEVER WANT TO RISK SAFETY, UM, ESPECIALLY TO TRY TO MAKE A DOLLAR. 
          I MEAN, BELIEVE ME, I'M IN, I DO NOT WANNA HAVE ANY LIABILITY OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO CREATING, UM, A REAL, UM, FINALIZED PARKING LOT, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY MAKE SURE THERE'S DESIGNATED SPOTS. 
          UM, AND I WOULD ALSO WANT TO ENSURE, AS PART OF THAT EVENT MANAGER I SPOKE TO EARLIER, IS HELPING MAKE SURE NOBODY'S JUST PARKING ON THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE THAT WOULD, UM, CAUSE A RISK OF EMERGENCY VEHICLES BEING ABLE TO ARRIVE. 
          UM, BUT YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I I'D WANNA ENSURE THAT WAS, THAT WAS SET UP CORRECTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW THE, THE PINEDALE AND CLAY SPRINGS FIRE DEPARTMENT ARE GETTING SPREAD THINNER AND THINNER ALL THE TIME, STILL BEING, UM, PARTLY IF NOT FULLY, WELL, I THINK STILL PARTLY SUBSIDIZED BY VOLUNTEERS. 
          AND ALL I KNOW IS A MEMBER OF THE HEBREW GUARD FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE MADE A LOT OF CALLS OUT THERE FOR EMS TO COVER WHEN THEY COULDN'T OR THEY WERE ON ANOTHER CALL OR THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PERSONNEL. 
          AND SO FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, THAT REALLY DOES CONCERN ME IN THESE OUTLYING RURAL AREAS. 
          PEOPLE DON'T GIVE THAT A LOT OF THOUGHT TILL THE, THE INCIDENT HAPPENS AND HEBREW REGARD FIRE DEPARTMENT'S WELL STAFFED JUST AS TIMBER MESA IS, BUT THAT'S A LONG WAY AWAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IF YOU'VE HAD A HEART ATTACK, THAT'S A LONG WAY FOR RESPONSE PEOPLE TO COME. 
          SO I JUST, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, MAY MADE AWARE YOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING THERE ARE, ARE GONNA BE AWARE THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A REMOTE AREA AND SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE THOSE IMMEDIATE SERVICES AVAILABLE OR MAY NOT POSSIBLY BE AVAILABLE AT ANY GIVEN TIME FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING UP HERE WITH HEALTH, HEALTH CONCERNS TO CON, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANNA DISCOURAGE THEM FROM COMING TO A WEDDING MM-HMM, , BUT I ALSO THINK THEY OUGHT, THEY OUGHT TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A, A, A LITTLE ELEMENT OF, OF NOT NECESSARILY RISK, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT SAFETY NET THAT YOU HAVE IN A, IN A LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA OR IN SNOWFLAKE OR IN SHOW LOW OR IN, YOU KNOW, LAKESIDE OR PINETOP. 
          AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO BE AWARE OF THAT. 
          I, I, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO INCLUDE WITH MY MESSAGING, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH PUTTING A CONTRACT TOGETHER FOR SOMEBODY WANTING TO PUT ON A WEDDING OR AN EVENT THERE JUST TO ALLEVIATE YOU OF RESPONSIBILITY, IF NOTHING OR LIABILITY TO GET IT OUT THERE WOULD BE, I AGREE. 
          I DON'T WANNA TAKE MORE LIABILITY ON THAN I NEED TO, AND I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WOULD BE SIGNING UP FOR OUT THERE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CODY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING HONOR, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU'D, UH, ENTERTAIN IT? I JUST HAVE SOME CLARITY AS FAR AS THE PARKING, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS ON IT. 
          THERE IS CONDITION NINE REGARDING THE ADEQUATE PARKING BEING REQUIRED ON SITE AND THAT NONE WOULD BE OFF OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          ALSO, THAT PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY ARE OPEN AND TRAVERSABLE AT ALL TIMES. 
          UM, THAT THERE WOULD BE NO INTERFERENCE, NO PARKING THE RIGHT OF WAY, KEEPING IT WITHIN THE PROPERTY. 
          THAT IS TYPICAL OF SPECIAL EVENTS AS FAR AS PERMITS THAT WE GRANT, AS WELL AS ANY TYPE OF EVENT CENTER BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND IT COULD BE LARGER GROUPS OF PEOPLE AND WE DO NEED EMERGENCY ACCESS WITH REGARD TO THE MINIMUM PARKING SPACES, IT IS CODIFIED AS 25. 
          THE APPLICANT, OF COURSE IS ABLE TO TO BRING IN MORE TO SUIT THEIR NEEDS. 
          AND THEN REGARDING THE, THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP AS FAR AS DESIGNATING THE PARKING THERE. 
          UM, SO, AND THIS COVERS FIRE AS WELL. 
          DURING OUR BUILDING PERMITTING PHASE, WE DO FULL PARKING REVIEW AS FAR AS ADEQUATE SIZE AND LOCATION OF PARKING SPACES. 
          SO THAT'S A MINIMUM OF NINE BY 18 FEET AS FAR AS THOSE STALLS THAT COMES THROUGH THE BUILDING REVIEW. 
          AND AS A PART OF THIS, WE ALSO SEND THROUGH FOR FIRE REVIEW AS A PART OF OUR BUILDING PERMIT STAGE, SO THE, THE LOCAL AUTHORITY HAVING JURISDICTION FOR FIRE WOULD BE ABLE TO REVIEW AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT MEETS THEIR SAFETY NEEDS AS WELL FOR ACCESS TO THE SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE OTHER THING, CODY, AND IF I MISSED IT IN THE, IN THE REPORT, I APOLOGIZE, BUT WAS, IS THERE ANY REFERENCE MADE TO, OR ANY REGULATIONS, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE COMING UP FOR AN EVENT AND IT'S REASONABLE 
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TO THINK PEOPLE ARE, ARE GONNA BE STAYING OVER. 
          SO IN THE, IN, IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO STAY IN THE, THE RESIDENCES THAT ARE, THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM, IS THERE PROVISION IN THERE FOR PEOPLE TO BRING UP THEIR CAMP TRAILERS TO CAR CAMP, YOU KNOW, CAMP ON THIS PROPERTY FOR, UH, A WEEKEND EVENT WHERE THEY'LL BE CAMPING OUT THERE? UH, IS THERE ANY KIND OF, HAS THAT EVEN BEEN DISCUSSED OR IS THERE SO I HAVE SEEN NOTHING WITH THAT WITH REGARD TO THIS APPLICATION. 
          IF THE APPLICANT WERE LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, THEY WOULD EITHER NEED TO COME FORWARD WITH A, A DIFFERING SPECIAL USE PERMIT EXPANDING UPON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR SPECIFIC SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS FOR THAT SPECIFIC EVENT IN WHICH WE WOULD REVIEW THE LOCATION OF THE RVS. 
          UM, AGAIN, DURING THOSE SPECIAL EVENT MEETINGS THAT GOES OUT TO PUBLIC HEALTH TO FIRE, TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, ALL OF THE TYPICAL INVOLVED PARTIES. 
          UM, SO IF THAT WASN'T A PART OF AN AMENDED SPECIAL USE PERMIT PACKAGE, IT WOULD STILL BE REVIEWED BY ALL AGENCIES AS FAR AS SAFETY FOR THINGS LIKE WASTE, PARKING, SPACING, ET CETERA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'LL DIDN'T OBTAIN A MOTION, MR. CHAIR. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION IN REFERENCE TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT 24 DASH 0 0 8 WHITE WHALE PROPERTIES LLC EVENT VENUE. 
          I MAKE THE MOTION THAT THE NAVAJO COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO THE NAVAJO COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STEP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND COMMISSIONER? HAVE A SECOND. 
          THEY'RE ON LINE. 
          UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WE HAVE A COMMISSION ONLINE. 
          IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONS ONLINE THAT WERE OPPOSED TO THAT? OKAY, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S IN FAVOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK 
          [5.  SUP 24-009 HENLEY WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITY, DISTRICT II: Consideration of a request by Pinnacle Consulting Inc. for a Special Use Permit to allow for the construction and operation of a 199’self-support lattice tower and associated facilities, located north of Winslow. APN#: 103-22-027, T19N, R16E, S07 of the GSRM. Owner: Gene Hancock. Agent: John Katsiris.]
YOU. 
          OKAY, SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS SEP 2 4 0 0 9 SUGGEST YOU TAKE A RIDE DOWN TO THAT PROPERTY BEFORE YOU MAKE THE DECISION. 
          JUST CHECK OUT THE ROAD OUT GO. 
          WE WILL GIVE IT A MINUTE OR TWO. 
          THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO BE HERE FOR THE SECOND ITEM CAN VACATE IF THEY WOULD LIKE. 
          IT'S TRICKY. 
          IT'S, IT RESTRICTS 'EM MORE TO DO IT AND THEY HAVE NO RULES CURRENTLY. 
          IT'S JUST HARDLY THAT MANY PEOPLE THAT BY. 
          AND THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T EVEN MOVE THERE DOESN'T MAKE ME FEEL WARM AND FUZZY, BUT YEAH, BUT IT, HE'S MENTAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS SUP 2 4 0 0 9 HENLEY WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS FACILITY DISTRICT TWO. 
          UM, CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST BY PINNACLE CONSULTING INC. 
          FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF 199 FOOT SELF-SUPPORTED LATTICE TOWER AND ASSOCIATED FACILITIES LOCATED NORTH OF WINSLOW. 
          UM, OWNER IS JEAN HANCOCK AND THE AGENT IS JOHN KA AND PRESENTED BY CATHERINE WRIGHT, GOOD EVENING BOARD. 
          UM, BEFORE YOU AS SUP 24 DASH ZERO NINE HENLEY WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITY. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST BY A PINNACLE CONSULTING INCORPORATED FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF A 1 199 FOOT SELF-SUPPORT LATTICE COMMUNICATION TOWER AND ASSOCIATED FACILITIES LOCATED NORTH OF WINSLOW. 
          THE OWNER IS JEAN HANCOCK AND THE AGENT IS JOHN S. 
          THIS IS LOCATED ON A PN 1 0 3 22 0 2 7, WHICH IS 374.64 ACRES IN SIZE AND ZONED A GENERAL AS I MENTIONED, THE OWNER IS JEAN HANCOCK. 
          THIS WILL HAVE A 199 FOOT SELF-SUPPORT LATTICE COMMUNICATION TOWER AND ASSOCIATED FACILITIES HENLEY TOWER WILL BE AT LEAST 100, UM, 99 FEET FROM ALL PROPERTY BOUNDARIES WITHIN A 50 BY 50 FOOT LEASE AREA, SURROUNDED BY AN EIGHT FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE. 
          THE GENERAL VICINITY IS TWO MILES NORTH OF WINSLOW. 
          UM, NEXT IS AN AERIAL OF THE SITE ADJOINING THIS PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS THE WINSLOW WASTEWATER PLANT AND VACANT MUNICIPAL LAND TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY IS A VACANT RU FIVE LAND. 
          TO THE EAST OF THIS PARCEL IS A GENERAL ZONE PROPERTY WITH TWO HOMES. 
          HERE IS THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THAT THE TOWER WILL BE IN THE UPPER NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY AND ALSO SHOWS THE ACCESS POINT TO THE TOWER OFF OF MORMON TRAIL. 
          THERE IS A 
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199 FOOT SETBACK FOR THIS TOWER. 
          UM, THIS IS A ZOOMED IN IMAGE OF THE ENCLOSED 50 BY 50 FOOT LEASE AREA. 
          HERE YOU CAN SEE A SIDE VIEW OF THE 199 FOOT SELF-SUPPORT TOWER SHOWING THE GENERAL DESIGN AND HEIGHT OF THE TOWER. 
          THERE IS SPACE FOR CO-LOCATION BEFORE YOU WAS A PHOTO SIMULATION OF THE PROPOSED SUN STATE SELF-SUPPORT TOWER. 
          THIS IS FROM THE ACCESS POINT OFF MORMON TRAIL. 
          NAVAJO COUNTY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR HENLEY WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITY SUBJECT TO THE 13 CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          AND ALSO BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          NINE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE MAILED NOTIFICATION FOR A MEETING REGARDING THE NEW PROPOSED WIRELESS FACILITY BY PINNACLE CONSULTING INC. 
          LETTERS WERE DATED AUGUST 6TH, 2024 AND THE MEETING ITSELF WAS HELD ONLINE VIA ZOOM ON AUGUST 22ND, 2024 FROM SIX TO 7:00 PM ONLY ONE INDIVIDUAL PARTICIPATED THE WINSLOW TOWN MANAGER DAVID COOLIDGE. 
          NO QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS WERE RAISED. 
          HOWEVER, HE WAS EXCITED TO GET NEW INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT AREA OF WINSLOW. 
          SO I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL, SHOULD YOU PREFER TO INQUIRE ABOUT ANY MORE SPECIFICS. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OH, I GUESS WE GOTTA DO THE WHOLE, UM, UH, I'M ASSUMING YOU GUYS ARE THE APPLICANTS. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          DO YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO, YOU CAN PRESENT TO US AS WELL. 
          SURE. 
          JUST REAL QUICK, I'LL, YOU GUYS HAVE HAD QUITE A NIGHT, SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT QUICK. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UH, I'M JOHN CAT WITH PINNACLE CONSULTING. 
          UM, IT'S A BASIC REQUEST. 
          UM, THE AREA, YOU KNOW, REALLY NEEDS THE ADDITIONAL COVERAGE AND CAPACITY. 
          UH, THIS PROJECT WILL PROVIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, BY THE LEAST INTRUSIVE MEANS THE FACILITY IS LOCATABLE AS YOU SAW ON THOSE, UM, ON THAT DOCUMENT, UH, HAS ROOM FOR ANOTHER THREE CARRIERS ON IT. 
          SO MORE, UM, TOWERS WILL NOT HAVE TO GO UP. 
          AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE LIKE TO KEEP IT, OBVIOUSLY THE WAY YOU GUYS WANT IT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE MEET ALL THE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, I, I DID BRING A, A THIRD PARTY RF ENGINEER WITH YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. 
          HE'S AVAILABLE TO EXPLAIN THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF IT IF YOU GUYS ARE SO INCLINED. 
          UM, I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AGAIN. 
          WE'LL HEAR FROM THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          AND THEN SECOND OF ALL, FROM THOSE THAT ARE NOT IN FAVOR, AND SINCE I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THESE, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NO ONE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THIS, I'M ASSUMING CORRECTLY IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THIS. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          EVERYONE WANTS TO GO HOME. 
          WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF CELL TOWER DISCUSSIONS. 
          ? YES, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER ME, NOT HERE TO ASK HOW LONG IT'S GONNA BE UP OR WHEN THEY'RE GONNA TAKE IT DOWN. 
          POWER APPROACH AND BATTERIES. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MR. CHAIR REFERENCE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT 24 DASH ZERO NINE HENLEY WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITY. 
          I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE, THAT THE NAVAJO COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO THE NAVAJO COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STEP. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          GREAT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          UM, WE'LL MOVE TO A VOTE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT ONE WAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. 
          OKAY. 
          [6. COMMISSIONER’S COMMENTS AND/OR DIRECTIONS TO STAFF:  Commissioners may use this time to offer additional comments regarding any item on this agenda, or any other topic; and the Commission may direct staff to study or provide additional information on topics of the Commissions’ choosing.]
UH, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AND OR DIRECTION TO STAFF? SO, UH, CODY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? SO I'LL, I'LL WAIT IF THERE'S ANYTHING FROM THE COMMISSION AND MYSELF AND THEN I CAN CERTAINLY REPORT BACK TO THE COMMISSION HERE. 
          I DO. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE OUR LITTLE, AND I'M HAPPY FOR THAT. 
          TABLETS. 
          THE DOWNSIDE OF THAT IS THIS HAS GOT VERY LITTLE INFORMATION ON IT. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE TO EITHER HAVE A PACKET WITH THE, THE MINUTES. 
          UH, I TRIED WHEN I FIRST CAME ON, I PRINTED ONE OUT. 
          IT WAS LIKE 200 PAGES. 
          I HADN'T DONE THAT AGAIN, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO, TO GO ALONG WHILE SOMEBODY'S TALKING. 
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IF I NEED TO LOOK UP AT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, I CAN DO IT MYSELF. 
          SO I, I KNOW KIRSTEN SAID THAT IN WORKS OF GETTING AN UPDATED PRO OR DEAL THAT WORKS. 
          YES. 
          I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER LATHAM, I I THINK WE RAN INTO A FEW TECHNICAL ISSUES AND THEN JUST DUE TO THE, THE LENGTH OF OUR PACKAGES, WE RAN INTO PRINTER TIMING ISSUES. 
          UM, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE TO, UH, TAKE THOSE INTO ACCOUNT IN THE FUTURE TO ACCOMMODATE SO THAT THOSE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE. 
          UM, WE KNOW THAT WE PUT THOSE OUT AHEAD OF TIME, BUT IT IS VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE YOU ABLE TO REVIEW THOSE. 
          SO WE WILL, UH, WE'LL TRY TO, TO BAKE THOSE IN. 
          THOSE ARE SOME OLDER TABLETS, SO WE MIGHT NEED TO LOOK AT SOME UPDATES ON THOSE ON OUR SIDE. 
          AND POINT NUMBER TWO, OUR MEETING IN DECEMBER FOR DECEMBER THE 12TH, UH, I WILL BE PROBABLY BE UNAVAILABLE AND NOT AVAILABLE BY OUTSIDE KIND OR PHONE OR WHATEVER DIGITAL. 
          UH, ALSO, SO WE WE'RE GOING HAVE TO THANK YOU FOR THE NOTICE. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. 
          CODY, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION A MONTH OR TWO BACK OF SOME ADDITIONAL COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          ANY MOVEMENT ON THAT? I, UH, I JUST MENTIONED THIS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          WE, WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING FOR SOME COMMISSION MEMBERS HERE AND SOME BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AS WELL. 
          UM, WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES CURRENTLY ON THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING WITH THE, THE SUPERVISORS. 
          UM, I KNOW THERE WAS JUST ELECTION SEASON, SO WE WILL, WE'LL HOPEFULLY GET EVERYTHING CALMED DOWN TO WHERE WE CAN GET SOME APPOINTEES HERE TO, TO HELP FILL OUT THIS COMMISSION ONCE AGAIN, UM, WITH THOSE RESIGNATIONS WE RECEIVED PREVIOUSLY. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          [7. REPORT FROM STAFF TO THE COMMISSION:]
REPORT FROM STAFF TO THE COMMISSION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, AS MENTIONED BY COMMISSIONER LATHAM THERE NEXT MONTH, WE DO HAVE OUR HEARING SCHEDULED ON THE 12TH, NOT THE 19TH. 
          UH, WE DID CALENDAR THAT LAST YEAR TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE HOLIDAYS. 
          TRY NOT TO KEEP ANYONE FROM THEIR FAMILIES CLOSER TO, UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL BE REACHING OUT VERY SOON. 
          UM, JUST TO CHECK AND MAKE SURE. 
          AS FAR AS ATTENDANCE AND AVAILABILITY, UH, WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE THREE HEARING ITEMS RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. UH, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, UH, WE WILL HAVE THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE OUT. 
          UM, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SEND ANYTHING TO THE COMMISSION AS OF YET JUST BECAUSE THE 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD CLOSES TOMORROW. 
          UM, SO FOLLOWING THAT CLOSING OF THE REVIEW PERIOD, WE WILL CONGLOMERATE ALL COMMENTS, MAKE ANY EDITS AS REQUIRED THROUGH THAT. 
          AND THEN WE WILL DISTRIBUTE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO COMMISSIONERS. 
          'CAUSE THERE ARE A, A FAIR FEW PAGES. 
          UM, THE MEAT OF THAT DOCUMENT'S ABOUT 60 PAGES, LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED PAGES. 
          THE REST ARE JUST DOCUMENTING OUR, OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH AND KIND OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS STAGE. 
          BUT, UH, AS SOON AS WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE THOSE COMMENTS TOGETHER AND HAVE EVERYTHING FIXED, WE WILL GET THOSE OUT AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S A, A DECENT AMOUNT OF INFORMATION AND WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE A FULL PRESENTATION TO TRY TO BREAK THAT DOWN INTO A MORE BITE-SIZED APPROACH AS WELL. 
          SO AS OF NOW, WE ARE PLANNING FOR THAT HEARING ON THE 12TH. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES FOR AVAILABILITY, PLEASE LET MYSELF OR KRISTEN KNOW. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TONIGHT AND THANK YOU CODY. 
          I'M, I'M LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR. 
          I WON'T BE AVAILABLE ON THE 12TH EITHER. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH OH. 
          SAY I ALREADY HAVE TROUBLE. 
          APPRECIATE THE NOTIFICATION. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL START DOING OUR WORK HERE REAL QUICK ON THIS ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ESTABLISH A QUORUM. 
          IS THERE, WOULD IT TO EITHER ONE OF YOU, WOULD IT BE BENEFIT MOVING IT BACK TO THE 19TH? YOU CAN'T DO IT. 
          THAT, OR, OR I GUESS CAN, YOU CAN CHANGE IS THE TIMEFRAME WHERE YOU COULD MOVE IT OR NO, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT, BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE. 
          CERTAINLY IF IT, IF IT ENDS UP BECOMING AN ISSUE RELATED TO QUORUM, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO A, A SPECIAL CALL RELATED TO THE MEETING, RELATED TO THE BYLAWS. 
          UM, SO IF WE, I, I GUESS WHAT WE'LL LOOK FOR IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ESTABLISH A QUORUM AND IF NOT, WE MIGHT, UH, BRING IN SOME OF THE, THE PROTOCOLS WITHIN THE BYLAWS TO LOOK AT A SHIFT. 
          IF AGAIN, THE COMMISSION IS AMENABLE TO THAT SOLUTION. 
          IN CASE, WORST CASE SCENARIO, I MOVED WHAT I HAD TO DO ON THE 19TH TO DO TO THE 12TH. 
          SO I MAKE THE MEETING ON THE 19TH. 
          I KNOW WE, THE CALENDARS, IT'S 12 MONTHS AHEAD OF COURSE, OF WHERE WE SHIFTED. 
          SO IT ALWAYS THROWS THAT. 
          YEAH, IT'S JUST LIFE HAPPENS AND WE, WE WILL HAVE THE, THE CALENDAR FOR NEXT YEAR OF COURSE, UM, NEXT MONTH. 
          SO WE'LL, WE WILL BRING FORWARD SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS LOOKING AT THE HOLIDAYS AND OTHERWISE, UM, TO BRING IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO SEE WHAT'LL IDEALLY NEXT YEAR WE'LL WE'LL SEE IN PRACTICE WORK BEST FOR THE SCHEDULES. 
          CODY, DON'T WE STILL HAVE SOMETHING TO DO ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO THAT, THAT'LL BE THAT NEXT HEARING THERE. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE THE RECOMMENDATION AS GAR AS FAR AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          UM, SO AT THAT HEARING, THE COMMISSION WILL EITHER BE ABLE TO RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT THEY APPROVE, UM, OR THEY COULD RECOMMEND DENIAL OR THEY COULD RECOMMEND SOME AMENDMENTS, WHICH WE WOULD THEN BRING BACK TO THE COMMISSION AT A LATER DATE 
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BASED ON STATUTE. 
          SO THERE'LL BE A FEW OPTIONS, BUT WE'LL BE BRINGING IT FORWARD, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION ONCE WE GET ALL OF OUR 60 DAY REVIEW PACKED UP. 
          AND WE, WE GOT A GOOD AMOUNT OF COMMENTS. 
          SO WE WILL, WE'LL BE BUSY BEFORE THESE HOLIDAYS MAKING SURE WE, WE GET 'EM OUT TO YOU IF WE HAVE TO MOVE IT. 
          ARE WE LOCKED INTO A THURSDAY? NOT NECESSARILY THAT, THAT'S AT THE, THAT'S THE ONLY, I SAY THAT ONLY THAT WEEK AND I CANNOT DO THAT. 
          I SAY THAT IS AT THE, THE PURVIEW OF THE COMMISSION. 
          WE HAVE REGULARLY SCHEDULED ON THE THIRD THURSDAY. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE TO CALL, UH, ANOTHER DATE, WHETHER IT'S ON THE CALENDAR FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR, UH, SPECIFIC, I'LL CHECK THE BYLAWS AGAIN TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT SPEAKING OUT OF TURN HERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT ANYTIME YOU CALL A, A SPECIAL DATE, IT'S WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW. 
          UM, WE'LL JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ADVERTISE ADEQUATELY WITH THE NEWSPAPER AND WE'RE ENCLOSED CONTACT SO WE CAN GET THAT COORDINATED. 
          WELL, IT'D BE GOOD IF WE COULD GET SOME OF THAT KNOCKED OUT IN DECEMBER. 
          IT'S JUST GONNA SNOWBALL . 
          YES. 
          AND THEN US TOO. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME LONG BITES. 
          I BE HERE VERY COMPREHENSIVE. 
          YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          IF WE COULD DO IT WEDNESDAY THE 11TH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M VERY OPEN ON THAT DAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? WELL, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO CHECK AND SEE WHAT, IF YOU CAN GET YOUR PART DONE. 
          OKAY, SO WE'LL, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A FEW OF THOSE OPTIONS. 
          UM, WE, WE MAY REACH OUT INDIVIDUALLY JUST TO, WOULDN'T HAVE A VOTE THAT WE HAVE TO DO NOW OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN JUST CALL US AND SAY IT NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'D HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER THE LOGISTICS ON IT TO HAVE A VOTE BECAUSE IT WASN'T IZED TONIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT WE, WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS. 
          WE CAN REACH OUT SO AS TO PREVENT ANY ROLLING QUORUMS OR OTHERWISE ON INDIVIDUAL BASIS TO SEE WHAT'LL WORK FOR COMMISSIONERS AND UH, SEE IF WE CAN WORK OUT AN ADEQUATE DATE. 
          UM, I DID JUST ON THE CHAT THERE, COMMISSIONER JOHN, I DID SEE YOUR COMMENT AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          IT WAS JUST REGARDING ONLINE MEETINGS, SO WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT WITH YOU AS WELL. 
          I'M NOT IGNORING YOU. 
          I CAUGHT THAT UP THERE. 
          CODY. 
          ONE, ONE, UM, MAN REFERENCE TONIGHT. 
          THEY MUST HAVE BEEN IN THE MEETING THAT GOT, THAT GOT CANCELED, UH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM. 
          WAS THAT IN SEPTEMBER? SO WHAT IS, WAS THAT WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT OR DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT? THAT THAT WAS NOT THE, THE CASE THIS EVENING? UM, THAT, THAT ONE WAS NOT SCHEDULED FOR THE, THE HEARING THAT WAS RELATED TO THE QUORUM. 
          I CAN'T GO INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THE CASE BECAUSE IT'S PASSED ON THE AGENDA. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, IF AN ITEM IS AGENDIZED, UM, THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT'S POLLED IS THROUGH WITHDRAWAL OR EMERGENCY. 
          UM, WITHIN OUR PACKET. 
          IF, IF ANYONE WANTS TO CHECK AND IT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, WE PUT IT OUT THERE AS WELL BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE CAN BE SKEPTICAL. 
          UM, THERE ARE EMAILS THAT, THAT DETAIL THE REASONING THAT THE, THE APPLICANT HAD TO WITHDRAW AT THAT POINT IN TIME FROM A HEARING. 
          AND ANYTIME THAT TO KEEP THIS GENERALIZED, ANYTIME THAT WE HAVE THAT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, WE WILL PUT THAT INFORMATION OUT. 
          UM, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT PEOPLE THINKING THERE'S SOME FORM OF COLLUSION OR A GRAND OR CONSPIRACY HERE. 
          THERE ARE VERY FINITE AND LIMITED, UM, OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, A, A CANCELLATION DUE TO LACK OF QUORUM REASONS THAT AN ITEM CAN BE PULLED FROM AN AGENDA. 
          BUT, UM, NONE OF THOSE ITEMS FROM THE, THE HEARING THAT WERE CANCELED DUE TO LACK OF QUORUM. 
          WE'RE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. 
          ONE QUICK LAST COMMENT. 
          I WANT TO THANK OUR DEPUTY FOR THE ACTION SHE HELPED WITH. 
          THEY WERE LEAVING. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR THANK YOU. 
          YOU WELCOME SERVICE TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OR CHAIR. 
          READY? LET'S GO. 
          HOME. 
          DONE ADJOURNED MEETING. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.