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GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.[ NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING AND AGENDA Tuesday, November 12, 2024 NAVAJO COUNTY GOVERNMENTAL COMPLEX BOARD OF SUPERVISORS' CHAMBERS 100 EAST CODE TALKERS DRIVE HOLBROOK, AZ 86025 One or more supervisors may attend telephonically Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02(H), the public body will have physical access to the meeting place one (1) hour prior to the start of the meeting. The Board may vote to meet in a closed executive session to discuss certain matters and for legal advice on any item as indicated on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. § 38-431.03(A)(3). Items on the agenda may be considered out of order at the Chairperson's discretion. A copy of the agenda background material provided to the Board, except items to be considered in the executive session, is available for public inspection at the Navajo County website, www.navajocountyaz.gov WATCH THE MEETING LIVE AT: www.navajocountyaz.gov/660 All public comments will need to be made in person or in writing. Written comments will be received by the Clerk of the Board's office twenty-four (24) hours prior to the Board meeting, at melissa.buckley@navajocountyaz.gov. If further accommodation is needed, please contact the Clerk of the Board's office, at (928) 524-4053 twenty-four (24) hours prior to the Board Meeting, so accommodation can be arranged. Persons with disabilities who need accommodation to attend or participate in the meeting may contact the Clerk of the Board’s office at least forty-eight (48) hours prior to the meeting, so accommodation can be arranged. “NOTICE TO PARENTS AND LEGAL GUARDIANS: Parents and legal guardians have the right to consent before Navajo County makes a video or voice recording of a minor child, pursuant to A.R.S. § 1-602(A)(9). The Navajo County Board of Supervisors' regular meetings are recorded and may be viewed on Navajo County’s website and social media pages. If you permit your child to attend/participate in a televised Navajo County Board of Supervisors meeting, a recording will be made, and your child’s picture may be posted on Navajo County’s social media pages. You may exercise your right not to consent by not allowing your child to attend/participate in the meeting.” 9:00 a.m. Call To Order: Invocation and Pledge of Allegiance ]
AND GET STARTED.WE WILL HAVE THE OTHER TWO SUPERVISORS WITH US.
THEY HAVE ANOTHER COMMITMENT, UM, EACH DIFFERENT COMMITMENT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'LL BE HERE, UM, IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THE MEETING.
WE'RE GONNA START OUR MEETING WITH A INVOCATION AND P ALLEGIANCE LED BY SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR.
WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY WHICH WE HAVE TOGETHER TODAY AS CITIZENS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS IN NAVAJO COUNTY.
FATHER, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE FAVORABLE CONDITIONS THAT WE FIND OURSELF IN AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE OUR OPINIONS AND TO BE ABLE TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY IN THE PUBLIC SIDE.
FATHER, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THIS GREAT COUNTRY WHICH WE LIVE IN FOR THE FREEDOMS AND FOR THIS PAST VETERAN'S DAY.
TO REMEMBER THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE GIVEN THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE AS WELL AS ANYONE WHO HAS SERVED IN OUR ARMED FORCES.
FATHER, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THEIR DILIGENCE, THEIR WILLINGNESS, AND THEIR SACRIFICES OF BOTH THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILY.
WE PRAY TODAY THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE THY SPIRIT AND GUIDANCE AS WE ARE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT WE MIGHT DO SO FAVORABLY, THAT WE MIGHT DO SO IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING ABLE TO GET ALONG AND TO BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS.
WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THE MOISTURE THAT THOU HAS GIVEN TO US AND WE PRAY THAT IT MAY CONTINUE.
WE PRAY THAT WE MIGHT CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD AND TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE WILL GO FORWARD AND SUPPORT AND REMEMBER THAT IT IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, FATHER.
AND MAY WE BE KIND TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT WE COME IN CONTACT WITH, THAT WE MAY HAVE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION, THAT WE MAY SETTLE THEM IN THE BEST INTEREST OF KINDNESS.
NOW WE ASK FOR THY GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION TODAY.
IN THIS MEETING, WE PRAY IN THE NAME OF THY SON, JESUS CHRIST.
PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE IN ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR THANK YOU SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR.
[1. CONSENT AGENDA: These items are considered to be routine or administrative in nature and will be approved in a single motion. A Board member may request for any item to be removed from the consent agenda and considered on the regular agenda:]
WE HAPPY FOR US TODAY.CONSENT AGENDA'S UP ON THE SCREEN AS WELL.
UM, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS WISH TO BE DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD? IF NOT, CHAIR TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
CHAIRMAN I MOTION FOR APPROVAL ON THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
HEARING NONE, THE AYES HAVE IT.
[a. CONSENT AGENDA: The following item(s) are considered to be of a routine or administrative in nature and will be approved as a group unless a member of the Board wishes to discuss a particular item: ]
UN UNANIMITY.WE'RE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, NAVAJO COUNTY JAIL DISTRICT.
MOTION TO ENTER INTO THE NAVAJO COUNTY JAIL.
DISTRICT DIRECTOR, UH, UH, DIRECTOR SESSION CHAIR.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM A, THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? NO.
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS LISTED.
UM, WE'LL NOW NEED A MOTION TO LEAD THE NAVAJO COUNTY JAIL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTOR SESSION AND ENTER INTO THE NAVAJO COUNTY HEALTH SERVICES BOARD OF DIRECTOR SESSION.
[a. CONSENT AGENDA: The following item(s) are considered to be of a routine or administrative in nature and will be approved as a group unless a member of the Board wishes to discuss a particular item: ]
ALL RIGHT.WE HAVE BEFORE THE CONSENT AGENDA ON THE NAVAJO COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES DISTRICT.
ANY QUESTIONS? UH, CHAIR TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION CHAIRMAN I MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
MOTION PASSES YOU UNANIMOUSLY.
MOTION TO RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION.
WE'RE NOW BACK IN REGULAR SESSION
[a. Presentation to Jalyn Gerlich on her Retirement from Navajo County after 9 Years of Service]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.ITEM FOUR, A PRESENTATION TO JAYLENE, GCH, GERLICH FOR THE RETIREMENT OF THE NAVAJO COUNTY AFTER NINE YEARS OF VALUE SERVICE.
WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO ERIC AND BRIAN.
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GOOD MORNING CHAIRMAN.THIS MORNING WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE A, A COUPLE OF OUR EMPLOYEES FOR THEIR YEARS OF SERVICE TO NAVAJO COUNTY.
AND FIRST IS, UH, MISS JAYLEN ICK.
BEEN THE SUPERINTENDENT FOR NAVAJO COUNTY FOR OVER NINE YEARS, AND JUST A TRUE PUBLIC SERVANT.
I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO VISIT WITH HER MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE YEARS, AND SHE, SHE ALWAYS TAKES THE TIME TO, TO ASK ME HOW I'M DOING.
SHE'S ALWAYS THINKING OF HER EMPLOYEES AND JUST A, A GREAT INDIVIDUAL.
UH, WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE HER WITH, WITH A COUPLE TOKENS OF OUR APPRECIATION.
BUT FIRST, BRIAN, IF YOU HAVE A FEW WORDS TO SAY AND THEN JAYLEN, WE'LL SEE.
UM, CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR OF SUPERVISORS.
UH, WE APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY.
WHEN I FIRST GOT TO THE COUNTY, UM, WE SAT DOWN WITH JAYLEN AND I STARTED LOOKING, OBVIOUSLY I CAME FROM A BUDGET BACKGROUND AND WE WERE LOOKING DURING, HE WAS IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AND WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND HE SAID, BRIAN, JUST CALM DOWN.
'CAUSE THIS IS SCHOOL FINANCE AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA UNDERSTAND IT,
UH, UH, SCHOOL FINANCE IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN, UH, THE FINANCE THAT WE TYPICALLY USE IN, IN GOVERNMENT.
AND, BUT SHE'S BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH ME, UH, OVER THE YEARS TO HELP ME OUT.
UM, AND SHE'S, I THINK, VERY EFFECTIVELY STRADDLED AT THE SCHOOL FINANCE, MERGING IT WITH THE COUNTY FINANCE, WORKING WITH THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, AND JUST MANAGING THAT WHOLE PROCESS.
UM, AND HER WILLINGNESS TO PARTNER AND TRY NEW IDEAS HAS BEEN VERY, VERY APPRECIATED.
UM, ON THE PROBATION SIDE, WE'VE DONE SOME JUST FANTASTIC THINGS WITH JUVENILES AND WITH THE HUB AND THE, ONE OF THE KEY KEY PARTS OF THAT IS THE ACCOMMODATION SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO, UM, KEEPING THOSE KIDS ENROLLED IN SCHOOL, KEEPING THEM CAUGHT UP ON THEIR ACADEMIC PROGRESS, AND THEN ALLOWING THEM.
SO SHE TAKES THEM IN THE MORNINGS AND THEN TURNS THEM OVER TO PROBATION, THEN PROBATION WORKS ON THE LIFE SKILLS, THE COUNSELING, AND MORE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE KIDS.
AND SO BOTH PIECES LIKE SUPER, SUPER NEEDED.
AND SO JAYLEN'S, UM, UH, CONSISTENT PARTNERSHIP AND CONSISTENT EFFORTS IN CARING FOR THOSE KIDS HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS.
AND JAYLEN, THANK YOU FOR JUST BEING A GREAT PARTNER.
THE FIRST GROUP I WANT TO THANK IS OUR VETERANS.
I COME FROM A FAMILY OF VETERANS AND MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY IS A FAMILY OF VETERANS.
I NEED TO THANK ON THE COUNTY SIDE, MARGUERITA MIKE, MY CHIEF DEPUTY AND MY STAFF.
THEY HOLD IT TOGETHER, FOLKS THROUGH THICK AND THIN.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH MANY, MANY JOURNEYS AND MANY, MANY, UH, CHALLENGES AND CELEBRATIONS.
I'D LIKE TO THANK LANNY GILLESPIE, WHO'S THE ASSOCIATE SUPERINTENDENT.
MY OFFICE ALSO OFFERS SPEECH SERVICES, PT SERVICES, OCCUPATIONAL SERVICES ACROSS THE TWO COUNTIES.
AND THAT STARTED WITH BILL BENNETT AND BILL BENNETT RECENTLY PASSED AWAY.
AND WE WANNA THANK HIM ALSO FOR WHAT HE WAS ABLE TO LAY, LAY DOWN THE GROUNDWORK FOR, AND TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT.
SHE ALSO HELPS TREMENDOUSLY WITH THAT SCHOOL SIDE.
THEY'VE HAD TO PUT UP WITH ME AND MY LITTLE DABBLINGS IN EDUCATION FOR THE PAST 39 YEARS.
UM, I'VE BEEN THROUGH MANY, MANY ITERATIONS OF DABBLING IN SCHOOL STUFF AND, UM, THROUGH NAU.
SO I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY AND PRIVILEGE AND HONOR OF WORKING WITH THREE YEAR OLDS THROUGH ADULTS.
AND IT'S BEEN, UM, QUITE THE TRAVELS.
SO, UM, I NEED TO GIVE MY QUOTE THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP HOW I FEEL.
HAS, UH, THERE GO MY PEOPLE, I MUST HURRY TO CATCH UP WITH THEM FOR I AM THEIR LEADER.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AMAZED HOW FAST EVERYONE MOVES.
AND I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE I'M CATCHING UP TO EVERYBODY WITH THE COUNTY ANTICIPATING THE NEEDS OF WHAT HAS NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH MY STAFF WHO NEED, ANTICIPATE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
AND THAT TO ME IS WHAT SUMS UP MY JOB.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO ALWAYS LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY.
AND IF YOU'VE DONE THAT, YOU'VE HAD A GOOD DAY IN MY VIEW.
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ANY COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD.I JUST WANNA WISH YOU, UM, THE VERY BEST IN YOUR RETIREMENT.
UM, I KNOW THAT I'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM YOU IN YOUR, UM, PROFESSIONAL CAREER.
I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE, UM, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, UM, AND YOU WERE QUICK TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND.
AND I THINK, AND I, I REMEMBER THE DAY WHERE THERE WAS A SHOOTING HERE MM-HMM.
UM, AND YOU WERE SO STEADY, YOU WERE SO, UM, YOU WERE SUCH A LEADER FOR YOUR, THE PEOPLE WITHIN YOUR OFFICE, AND I REALLY ADMIRED THAT.
AND SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
I KNOW THAT, UM, ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS HAVE BENEFITED WITH THE CONSORTIUM.
IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IN KNOWING ABOUT EDUCATION IS THAT WE LIVE IN SUCH A RURAL COMMUNITY, THAT THE RURAL COMMUNITY CAUSES ISOLATION.
WHERE WE DON'T GET THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY IN MARICOPA OR, UM, FLAGSTAFF OR OTHER COMMUNITIES MIGHT GET.
AND THOSE MIGHT BE SPEECH SERVICES OR OTHER SERVICES.
SO WHEN WE HAVE A CONSORTIUM THAT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO LOOK FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN COME TO OUR CAMPUS AND PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES TO OUR CHILDREN, IT IS SO IMPORTANT.
AND SO I I'M REALLY GRATEFUL THAT WE HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU AND THAT YOU'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO PROTECT THOSE SERVICES IS, ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR CHILDREN AND TO OUR CHILDREN'S FAMILIES.
AND I WISH YOU THE VERY BEST IN YOUR RETIREMENT.
I ECHO THOSE COMMENTS, UH, FROM SUPERVISOR WEINGER.
JAYLEN DOES A GREAT JOB WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE DON'T REALIZE HER ROLE WITH A NEW BUSINESS MANAGER GOES INTO A NEW SCHOOL DISTRICT AND SOME OF THEM DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AS FAR AS FINANCES AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT SHE HAS TO DO.
AND JUST BEING ABLE TO GET PAYROLL OUT AND TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT IN OUR RURAL AREA IS HUGE.
AND SHE'S DONE A FANTASTIC JOB.
AND VERY RARELY DO WE EVER HEAR THAT SOMETHING DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE, JAYLEN, I APPRECIATE IT.
SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD CHAIR? GO AHEAD.
SUPERVISOR OR VICE CHAIR? UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING THE SUPERINTENDENT FOR NINE YEARS AND LIKE EVERYONE HAS SAID, UM, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, GIVEN GUIDANCE TO THE RURAL AREA AND THE STUDENTS, UM, WHICH ARE, WHO ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR FUTURE AT THIS TIME.
AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR NINE YEARS OF SERVICE.
APPRECIATED THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE.
YOU'VE EARNED THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND BE WITH YOUR FAMILY, ENJOY THIS NEXT PHASE OF LIFE, BUT WE'LL MISS YOU HERE IN NAVAJO COUNTY.
DONE A GREAT JOB AND BEEN A GOOD LEADER.
SO I'M GLAD WE GOT A CHANCE TO HONOR YOU TODAY AND THE SERVICE YOU'VE RENDERED.
MELISSA, MELISSA SAID I HAD TO COME
WHERE, JUST REAL QUICK, CHAIRMAN, WE, WE DO HAVE A TOKEN OF OUR APPRECIATION OVER HERE, AND THEN RIGHT HERE WE HAVE A PENDLETON BLANKET THAT IS FROM MARGARITA FOR YOU.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE THAT TO YOU TOO.
PRETTY WASN'T OVER YOUR ARM HERE.
I DON'T WANNA HOLD IT IN YOUR WAY.
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AND AGAIN, THIS IS ME.[b. Presentation to Donna Hurstrom on her Retirement from Navajo County after 17+ Years of Service]
DON.THE, UH, WE NOW HAVE ITEM B PRESENTATION TO DONNA STROM FOR HER RETIREMENT FROM NAVAJO COUNTY AFTER 17 PLUS YEARS OF SERVICE.
ERIC, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE DONNA STROM NOW FOR HER 17 PLUS YEARS AT NAVAJO COUNTY.
DONNA AND MICHAEL SAMPLE IF YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THAT'D BE GREAT.
SO AGAIN, JUST LIKE JAYLEN, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AROUND DONNA FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND ALWAYS BEEN IMPRESSED WITH MY INTERACTIONS WITH HER.
ONE OF THE THE THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED IS DONNA IS A GREAT LISTENER WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE VISITING WITH DONNA, SHE GIVES YOU HER FULL ATTENTION.
SHE LISTENS TO EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING AND THEN PROVIDES A VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND CONFIDENT RESPONSE.
AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN REALLY IMPRESSED WITH, WITH HER.
AND WE'RE GONNA WISH HER THE BEST IN HER RETIREMENT.
UH, MR. SAMPLE, YOU GOT A FEW WORDS TO SAY TOO.
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, I GOT TO KNOW DONNA MANY YEARS AGO WHEN I STARTED AT THE CLERK OF THE SUPERIOR COURT'S OFFICE.
DONNA WAS A COURTROOM CLERK AND I WAS A DOCKET CLERK.
DONNA BECAME THE COURTROOM CLERK SUPERVISOR, AND I BECAME THE DOCKET CLERK SUPERVISOR.
AND WE WORKED HAND IN HAND TOGETHER FOR MANY YEARS.
DONNA THEN CAME UP TO WORK WITH MELISSA AND THE CLERK OF THE BOARD'S OFFICE FOR A FEW YEARS.
AND WHEN I GOT APPOINTED, UM, AS THE COUNTY RECORDER AND MY CHIEF DEPUTY AT THAT TIME RETIRED, I APPROACHED DONNA AND ASKED DONNA WOULD SHE LIKE TO BE MY CHIEF DEPUTY.
IT WAS THE BEST MOVES THAT I EVER DID BECAUSE DONNA CAME AND WORKED FOR FOR US.
AND SHE'S AN AMAZING, HARDWORKING PERSON AND SHE'S A GREAT TEAM LEADER.
SHE WORKS WELL WITH OUR STAFF AND WITH THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE TREASURERS AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
SO, UM, I WAS, I'M GRATEFUL THAT I GOT TO CHOOSE DONNA AND DONNA AND WORKED WITH DONNA FOR, FOR MANY YEARS.
IT'S, SHE'S GONNA BE VERY WELL MISSED AND, UM, I KNOW SHE'S GONNA HAVE A GREAT TIME ENJOYING HER, WORKING WITH HER GRANDKIDS AND HER FAMILY AND STUFF.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, DONNA, FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU'VE DONE.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REALLY PREPARED, BUT
UM, WE MOVED FROM CALIFORNIA IN 2007 AND HAVE BEEN IN HOE COUNTY SINCE THEN.
AND, UM, UH, MY PERSPECTIVE, NAVAJO COUNTY IS A FABULOUS EMPLOYER AND I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR MY EXPERIENCE AND I'VE WORKED IN THREE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND WORKED WITH SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS.
AND IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, NAVAJO COUNTY IS, UM, STAFFED WITH GREAT, GREAT PEOPLE EVERYWHERE WHO JUST COME TO WORK EACH DAY AND WORK THEIR HARDEST AND DO THEIR VERY BEST.
I'M GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE FRIENDSHIPS I'VE MADE, GRATEFUL FOR OUR STAFF.
UM, THEY WORK TIRELESSLY AND I'M JUST SO THANKFUL FOR ALL THAT THEY DO.
AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT CHAPTER.
AND I'VE GOT GRANDKIDS THAT I CAN HANG OUT WITH AND HAVE A LOT OF FUN WITH.
ANY COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? NO, I THINK YOU SUMMED IT UP RIGHT? VERY WELL, DONNA AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, MICHAEL AS WELL.
THAT YOU'RE A TEAM PLAYER AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE GREAT POSITIVE THINGS.
I KNOW YOU WERE ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT, THAT I HAD ENGAGEMENTS WITH WHEN, UH, I FIRST BECAME A SUPERVISOR HERE.
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AND I APPRECIATE YOU STEERING ME IN THE WAY THAT YOU DID AS WELL.BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE IN YOUR 17 YEARS, YOU WILL BE MISSED.
THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR WEISINGER.
YOU'RE JUST SO KINDHEARTED AND SUCH A GENUINE PERSON.
UM, THANK YOU FOR DECIDING TO BE WITH US SO LONG AND, UM, SHARING YOUR LIGHT.
THANK YOU DONNA, FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE NAVAJO COUNTY.
AND, UM, I WISH YOU WELL ON YOUR RETIREMENT AND, UM, THINGS GO WELL.
AND I KNOW YOU MADE A, A, AN EFFECTIVE, UM, AND POSITIVE, UM, INFLUENCE ON THE NAVAJO COUNTY, SO WE APPRECIATE YOU.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU AND THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE WORKING WITH MIKE, BUT ALSO WE GOTTA ENJOY YOU FOR A SEASON WORKING WITH THE BOARD AND, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE MISSED, BUT FORTUNATELY I GET A CHANCE TO SEE YOU OFTEN, SO LOOK FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SEE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND WISH YOU THE BEST IN THIS NEXT SEASON.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE SERVICE THAT YOU'VE RENDERED.
THANK YOU AND THE GREAT WAY THAT YOU'VE DONE IT.
DO YOU HAVE MORE, ERIC, THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO? UH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.
WE NEED A MOTION TO ENTER INTO THE NAVAJO COUNTY FLOOD CONTROLLED DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS SESSION.
ANY OPPOSED? VOTE NAY OR NONE? THE AYES HAVE IT.
WE'RE NOW IN THE NAVAJO COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT, REGULAR AGENDA, PUBLIC
[a. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration and Adoption of the Amended Flood Damage Prevention Ordinance, Ordinance Number FCD 01-16.]
HEARING, CONSIDERATION OF ADOPTION OF AMENDED FLOOD DAMAGE PREVENTION ORDINANCE, ORDINANCE NUMBER FCD 0 1 16, MR. PERKINS.CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND EVERYBODY ELSE AND THE PUBLIC HERE.
NAVAJO COUNTY IS PART OF A, A, UM, NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM.
IT'S A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM AND IT'S, UH, REFERRED TO AS NFIP.
IT ALLOWS THE CITIZENS TO PURCHASE FLOOD INSURANCE THAT IS UNDERWRITTEN BY THE NFIP.
AND BECAUSE NAVAJO COUNTY PARTICIPATES IN THE NFIP PROGRAM, IT IS REQUIRED TO ADOPT A FLOOD DAMAGE PREVENTION ORDINANCE.
AND THAT ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE UPDATED PERIODICALLY TO BE IN ALIGNMENT AND WITH AND COMPLY WITH CURRENT FEDERAL, WHICH IS FEMA AND STATE KNOWN AS THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES.
THEY, UH, ARE REQUIRED TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THEM AND MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
THE NAVAJO COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL TEAM HAS MADE THE NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO UPDATE AND MODERNIZE IT SO THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THOSE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.
THESE CHANGES ARE NOW READY AND ARE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND UPON APPROVAL IT WILL BE SUBMITTED TO A DWR, WHICH WE CALL ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF RESOURCES.
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BE THE LIAISE BETWEEN THE STATE AND FEMA.WELL NEXT GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF IT.
MELISSA, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT IT WE DO NOT.
SO WE'RE NOW IN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANY SLIPS TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN AND MOVE TO DISCUSSION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ON THIS ITEM? I'LL MAKE A COMMENT.
I WANNA TELL YOU THANK YOU TO YOU AND THE TEAM FOR STAYING ON TOP OF THIS.
UM, I'M NOT SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, BUT PRIVATE INSURANCE IS GONNA PICK UP A LOT OF THIS AND SO IT WAS A SOLUTION THAT WAS CREATED SO THAT PEOPLE THAT COULDN'T FIND INSURANCE FOR FLOOD WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
AND SO STAYING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT TO ALLOW THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AT LEAST AN OPTION, UM, IS APPRECIATED.
SO THANKS FOR BEING WILLING TO WORK ON THAT.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
CHAIRMAN I MOTION FOR APPROVAL? WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
ANY MORE COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? VOTE.
HEARING NONE, THE AYES HAVEN'T.
WE NEED A MOTION TO RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? MOVE TO RADIO SESSION.
[a. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration and possible adoption of Resolution Number 44-2024, approving/denying a request by SBA Communications for a Special Use Permit to allow for the construction and operation of a 120’ multi-carrier, monopole communication tower and associated facilities, located east of Snowflake. ]
HEARING NONE, THE AYES HAVE IT.WE ARE NOW ON ITEM SIX A, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 44 DASH 2024 APPROVING OR DENYING OR REQUEST BY SBA COMMUNICATIONS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO CODY.
CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR SUPERVISORS, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.
UH, JUST WANTED TO GET THIS DOCUMENT PULLED UP, UH, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
AS YOU WILL RECALL, THIS ITEM WAS STAPLED BACK IN SEPTEMBER TO THIS DATE.
UM, WE DO HAVE THE ORIGINAL POWERPOINT PRESENTATION IN CASE THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, ANY REMINDERS OR, OR REFRESHING ON THE ITEM ITSELF.
UM, BUT AT THAT DATE THE SUPERVISORS MADE REQUESTS OF STAFF AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT AND THEN OFFERED TO THE PUBLIC THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE FURTHER INFORMATION.
THE, UH, INFORMATION REQUESTED SPECIFICALLY FROM STAFF WAS RELATED TO WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD JUSTIFY THAT THIS WAS A COMPLETED APPLICATION.
UH, THE TWO ITEMS BROUGHT INTO QUESTION THERE WERE THE PHOTO SIMULATIONS COMPLETED FOR THIS PROJECT AND THEN WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS AN SUITABLE SITE.
UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT IS BRINGING FORWARD THAT INFORMATION AS FAR AS JUSTIFYING THE SITE TODAY TO YOU, WHICH WAS ALSO REQUESTED OF THEM.
UM, BUT WE WANTED TO PUT TOGETHER JUST A, A QUICK IMAGE TO SHOW YOU, UH, WHERE SPECIFICALLY THE PHOTO SIMULATIONS WERE TAKEN HERE AND SOME OF THE DETAILS BEHIND THIS.
UM, NOT SURE IF WE CAN ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT IF POSSIBLE.
SO OUR ORDINANCE FOR THESE WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITIES REQUIRES THAT YOU TAKE A PHOTO SIMULATION FROM THE FIVE NEAREST RESIDENCES LOCATED NEAR THIS PROPERTY.
UM, IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT YOU TAKE A PHOTO SIMULATION FROM THE NEAREST MAJOR THOROUGHFARE DEPENDING ON THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE ROAD.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, THERE IS A LITTLE NOTE NOTING WHERE THIS PHOTO SIMULATION WAS TAKEN OFF OF EAST CONCHO HIGHWAY RELATED TO THE PROPERTY.
YOU WILL NOTE THAT THAT IS ALSO THE NEAREST ARTERIAL AND MAJOR ROADWAY WITHIN THE AREA.
ALSO, JUST TO THE SOUTH THERE YOU'LL SEE NUMBERED HOUSES 1, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE.
THOSE ARE THE FIVE NEAREST RESIDENCES TO THIS PROPERTY.
SO WHEN THE APPLICANTS TOOK THAT PHOTO FROM A NEARER DISTANCE THAN THOSE OF THE HOUSE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, STAFF HAD DEEMED THAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS HAD BEEN MET.
WE DID NOT FEEL THAT IT WAS NECESSARY TO TAKE PHOTO SIMULATIONS 15 TO 20 FEET APART.
UM, IT PROVIDED NOTHING CONTEXTUALLY THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO STAFF OR THE SUPERVISORS.
SO AT THAT POINT, THAT'S THE ANALYSIS THAT WE WENT THROUGH TO DO.
AS FAR AS THE COMPLETENESS ON THIS, I KNOW THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE THEIR ITEMS TO TOUCH ON.
UH, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO GO BACK THROUGH THE, THE POWERPOINT FROM THE, THE PREVIOUS HEARING, I'M, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO SO.
I JUST ALSO DON'T WANNA, UM, WASTE THE THE TIME OF THE BOARD IF THEY PREFER NOT TO DO THAT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
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CODY.DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT IN HERE? THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR SUPERVISORS.
I'M WORKING WITH SBA COMMUNICATIONS.
UM, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER.
I'VE GOT A SHORT DECK THAT I'M GONNA GO THROUGH TO KIND OF DISCUSS SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP FROM THAT SEPTEMBER MEETING.
UH, REALLY GETTING TO SOME OF THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, UH, IN DEMONSTRATING THAT THIS REALLY IS THE LEAST INTRUSIVE MEANS OF PROVIDING NEEDED COVERAGE.
UM, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH A FEW THINGS, KIND OF DISCUSS SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL STEPS WE TOOK AND THEN, UM, SEE THE REST OF MY TIME OVER TO STEVE KENNEDY, WHO IS, UH, AN RF ENGINEER THAT HAS, UH, APPEARED IN FRONT OF THIS BODY BEFORE.
UH, AND HE HAS A RATHER LENGTHY PRESENTATION REGARDING, UH, DATA THAT'S BEEN COLLECTED, UH, FOR THE ACTUAL NEED.
UH, MELISSA, COULD WE, WHICH ONE? OH, SORRY.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I HAVE A MOMENT TO? SURE.
SO AFTER THE LAST MEETING WE WERE, WE WERE POSED A FEW QUESTIONS AND, UM, THOSE FIVE QUESTIONS WE, WE GOT THAT I WROTE DOWN WERE, UH, REQUEST TO LOOK INTO POSSIBLY MOVING THE MAILBOXES, UM, TO PROVIDE ACTUAL TRAFFIC DATA, UH, FOR FOLKS DRIVING THROUGH THE AREA, UH, TO LOOK INTO POSSIBLY GETTING AN APPRAISAL.
UH, 'CAUSE THERE HAD BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, REDUCED PROPERTY VALUES SPECIFICALLY FOR THE HOMES, UH, TO THE NORTH WHERE MOST OF THE FOLKS OPPOSED TO THE SITE, UH, ARE LIVING, UH, DO SOME FURTHER RESEARCH ON PUBLIC SAFETY BENEFITS AND PROVIDE SOME MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE RF NEED.
SO, LIKE I SAID, I'LL KIND OF ADDRESS THE FIRST FOUR AND THEN STEVE KENNEDY WILL COME UP AND DISCUSS THE LAST ITEM.
SO THE, UM, MAILBOXES A FEW DAYS AFTER, UH, WE HAD OUR MEETING, I ACTUALLY STARTED REACHING OUT TO THE FOLKS IN SNOWFLAKE.
UM, I TALKED TO REGINA MUELLER A FEW TIMES, UH, OVER THE COUPLE OF WEEKS, UH, THEY CONSIDERED IT AND SAID THAT THERE ARE A FEW ISSUES WITH, WITH ACTUALLY MOVING THOSE MAILBOXES.
UM, IT'S REALLY NOT VIABLE TO MOVE THEM ALL.
I ASKED, HEY, CAN YOU MOVE JUST A FEW OF THEM? CAN YOU MOVE A GROUP OF 20? UM, WITH, WITH, WITH ALL THOSE MAILBOXES THERE, THE BIGGEST QUESTION OR ISSUE SHE HAD WAS THAT THE DISTANCE WOULD REALLY BE TOO GREAT IF THEY MOVED IT.
SO IF THEY MOVED TWO ADDITIONAL MILES, IT RUNS INTO PROBLEMS OF THE RURAL MAIL CARRIER, WHICH IS UNDER CONTRACT, HAS TO THEN ADD THAT TO THEIR ROUTE.
SO IF THEY JUST MOVED, SAY 10 OR 20 OF THEM, THAT REQUIRES THEM TO COMPLETELY CHANGE THEIR ROUTE AND MOVE ALL THE BOXES.
AND THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT SEEMED FEASIBLE AS FAR AS MOVING ALL OF THE BOXES.
WHILE THAT WOULD BENEFIT A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, THE REST OF THE FOLKS THAT USE THOSE BOXES RIGHT NOW WOULD END UP HAVING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET THEIR MAIL.
AND IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT THE FOLKS THAT HAVE LIVED OUT THERE MORE THAN THE GROUP THAT DOESN'T LIKE THE LOCATION OF OUR PROPOSED SITE WOULD, THEY WOULD BE IMPACTED BY HAVING TO DO THAT.
SO THE THE POST OFFICE INDICATED MOVING THEM IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE, WHETHER IT WOULD BE ALL OF THEM OR JUST A FEW OF THEM.
SO THE NEXT THING I CHECKED ON THEN WAS TRAFFIC DATA.
UM, THERE HAD BEEN THE QUESTION, I BELIEVE IT MAY HAVE BEEN SUPERVISOR WEINGER THAT ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TRAFFIC DATA.
UM, I REACHED OUT TO COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS.
I THOUGHT THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME DATA, UH, FROM THE ROADWAY THERE, SPECIFICALLY SNOWFLAKE, CONCHO HIGHWAY.
UH, THEY DID NOT, UM, I, I ASKED THEM A SECOND TIME JUST IN CASE I ASKED THEM IF THEY HAD A THIRD PARTY VENDOR THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR US.
AND I DIDN'T GET ANY GOOD INFORMATION ON THAT.
I CONTACTED ADOT AND TO MY SURPRISE AND THEIRS, THEY HAD ACTUALLY RUN A TRAFFIC STUDY ON THAT ROAD TWO MILES AWAY IN AUGUST.
SO THEY HAD RAW DATA THAT WAS VERY, VERY, VERY RECENT.
UH, IT WAS ABOUT 180, SORRY, 850 VEHICLES PER DAY HAD BEEN GOING EACH DIRECTION ON THAT ROAD.
SO, YOU KNOW, MONDAY, TUESDAY AND AUGUST, PROBABLY PRETTY AVERAGE DAYS FOR THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING THROUGH THAT AREA DUE TO THE ACTUAL LOCATION THAT THEY WERE AT.
THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY ARTERIALS THAT DROP OFF BETWEEN WHERE THEY WERE AT ABOUT TWO MILES TO THE SOUTHWEST TOWARDS SNOWFLAKE AND THE INTERSECTION
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WE'RE AT.SO THAT EIGHT 50 IS PROBABLY PRETTY ACCURATE FOR THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES GOING EACH WAY EACH DAY.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE MAP TO SHOW, UH, WHERE THEY WERE, UH, WHERE THEY WERE LOCATED AT.
SO, UM, LET'S SEE, WHERE IS THE POINTER HERE? I CAN REMEMBER THIS DARN THING IF YOU, THE SQUARE, THE RED SQUARE IS ACTUALLY THE INTERSECTION WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND THEIR TRAFFIC DATA IS FROM THE NEAREST LOCATION TO THE SOUTHWEST THERE.
AND THAT'S WHERE THAT, UH, TWO-WAY DATA CAME FROM.
JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA, THE THIRD THING WE LOOKED AT WAS APPRAISALS.
UM, THIS WAS PROBABLY THE MOST INVOLVED THING TO LOOK INTO.
I MEAN, IT, IT IS DIFFICULT TO DO AN APPRAISAL IF THERE'S NO DATA.
AND THAT WAS SORT OF THE PROBLEM WE HAD.
WE CONTACTED THREE LOCAL APPRAISERS.
UM, THEY ALL KIND OF HAD THE SAME BASIC CONCERNS.
THERE WASN'T MUCH GOOD DATA BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF SALES IN THE AREA.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THE DISTANCE TO THE PROPOSED HOMES, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IF IT'S A QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE PHOTO SIMULATION, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, THAT THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THEM.
UM, WE'LL CHECK BEFORE AND AFTER DATA.
UH, WHEN IT GETS TO TWO MILES THERE, THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH THAT THEY CAN DO 'CAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER FACTORS THAT COULD BE INVOLVED.
AND THEN THE THIRD ISSUE IS THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF THOSE HOMES.
UM, AS MANY OF THE FOLKS HAVE SAID THEIR HOMES ARE BUILT IN SPECIAL WAYS THAT, UH, ARE IN LINE WITH THEIR NEEDS.
AND SO THERE IS VALUE TO THEM.
THERE'S VALUE TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THOSE NEEDS, BUT THEY ARE UNIQUE HOMES THAT REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY WOULD BE AT THE VALUATION ON THEM IS IMPACTED BY MANY THINGS OTHER THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
ONE OF THE LOCAL APPRAISERS ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED WE TRY A GENERAL APPRAISER WHO IS SOMEONE THAT DOES A BIT MORE COMMERCIAL WORK AND WE TRACKED DOWN THE GENTLEMAN, UH, HE'S OUTTA PHOENIX BUT HE DOES WORK IN THIS AREA.
HE CONFIRMED BASICALLY THAT HE WOULD HAVE THE SAME BASIC ISSUES.
NOW HE DID OFFER THAT HE COULD PROVIDE, UH, A MORE BROAD BASED REPORT, NOT AN ACTUAL APPRAISAL, BUT JUST A REPORT WHERE HE WOULD GO AROUND TO SOME DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE STATE AND HE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO BEFORE AND AFTER.
AGAIN, IT GETS TO THE ISSUE THOUGH OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE COMPARABLE REPORTS BECAUSE IF HE GOES INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN NORTH PHOENIX AND SAYS, OKAY, WELL WHO'S WITHIN, HERE'S, HERE'S SALES THAT HAVE OCCURRED BEFORE OR AFTER A TOWER BEING BUILT WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT HE SUSPECTED, THAT MIGHT BE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
THOSE HOMES ARE SO DIFFERENT FROM THE HOMES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THEY'RE JUST NOT COMPARABLE.
I MEAN, THERE WAS NOT A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO DO AN APPRAISAL THAT COULD SHOW BEFORE AND AFTER AND HOW A SITE LIKE THIS TWO MILES AWAY FROM THESE SPECIFIC HOMES WOULD REALLY IMPACT THE VALUE OF THOSE HOMES BEFORE AND AFTER.
SO WE WERE UNABLE TO GET AN APPRAISAL TOGETHER.
UH, IT WOULD SEEM FROM WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED BY THE FOLKS THAT ARE OPPOSED THAT MOST OF THEIR INFORMATION IS ANECDOTAL BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S NOT REALLY DATA TO GATHER.
THEY MAY BE ABLE TO GET SOME LARGER DATA SETS FROM OTHER AREAS, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY PERTINENT TO WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE.
SO WE UM, WE DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S REALLY MUCH TO BACK UP THAT, THAT ANECDOTAL CLAIM.
THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE REVIEWED WAS SOME, I ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO, UH, TAYLOR SNOWFLAKE, FIRE AND MEDICAL AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
UM, I TALKED TO TAYLOR SNOWFLAKE.
THEY ARE NOT A DIRECT VERIZON CUSTOMER.
THEY USE AT AND T'S FIRSTNET AND SOME OF THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE, THEY WOULD LIKE BETTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THAT AREA.
I DID, UH, SINCE THEY WEREN'T A A VERIZON CUSTOMER, I DIDN'T ASK ABOUT GETTING A A LETTER OF SUPPORT RIGHT AFTER THAT.
I DID TALK TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY AT THE SAME MEETING THEY HAD, UH, COME FORTH WITH THEIR PRESENTATION ABOUT THE GRANT THEY GOT FOR COMMUNICATIONS TOWERS THEY WERE GOING TO BE BUILDING AND, UH, THEIR DESIRE TO INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY BY HAVING IMPROVED COVERAGE.
UH, AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT A DIRECT VERIZON CUSTOMER, THEY'RE AN AT AND T CUSTOMER, BUT UH, MANY OF THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE AND THEY KNOW A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS OUT IN THAT AREA ARE.
SO, THEY WERE VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THIS SITE AND DID PROVIDE A LETTER OF SUPPORT, UH, FOR IMPROVED COVERAGE OUT IN THIS AREA.
'CAUSE S B'S BUILDING SITE, IT'S MULTI-CARRIER SITE, VERIZON IS THE ANCHOR TENANT.
UH, IT IS DEFINITELY AVAILABLE THOUGH FOR FUTURE CARRIERS AS WELL TO HELP PROVIDE COVERAGE NOT JUST FOR VERIZON BUT FOR OTHERS.
SO TO THAT END, THE ONE THING THAT WE DO WANT DEMONSTRATE IS THERE WAS REQUESTS FOR MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE RF NEED.
NOW LIKE I SAID, STEVE'S GONNA COME UP AND PRESENT THAT IN A BIT, BUT JUST TO QUICKLY GO OVER, HE'LL BE DISCUSSING SOME OF THE DRIVE TESTING HE DID, UM, AND
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GO OVER THE WORK HE DOES FOR THAT TO DETERMINE THE CURRENT LEVELS OF QUALITY, NOT JUST FOR VERIZON BUT FOR OTHER CARRIERS IN THE AREA.UH, AND HE'LL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE DATA THAT'S COMPILED.
AND UH, IF THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO HAND IT OFF TO MR. KENNEDY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF MR. CHAIR, VICE CHAIR SUPERVISORS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER THEM BEFORE HE COMES UP.
YOU PRESENTED THIS, UH, REQUEST TO THE SHERIFF.
DID YOU MAKE HIM AWARE OF THE HOLMES THAT HAVE SPECIAL, UH, BUILDING COMPONENTS IN HIM? I DID MENTION TO, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE DEPUTY SHERIFF THAT I, DID YOU MENTION THAT ALSO TO THE APPRAISERS? YES, THEY WERE ALL AWARE OF THAT.
IF OKAY WITH THE BOARD THEN WE'LL TURN OVER TO HIS COLLEAGUE, MR. KENNEDY.
MORNING CHAIR, VICE CHAIR SUPERVISORS.
I'M A RADIO FREQUENCY ENGINEERING CONSULTANT.
I CONSULT VARIOUS WIRELESS CARRIERS AND TOWER COMPANIES.
I HAVE 35 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN THE WIRELESS INDUSTRY.
I'VE BUILT OUT MANY, MANY SITES, MANY, MANY NETWORKS.
I GEEK OUT ON THIS STUFF, NOT A LOT OTHER PEOPLE DO.
SO I'M GONNA TRY TO GO AS FAST AS I CAN, NOT GLAZING THE EYES OVER AND, AND STOP ME ALONG THE WAY IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS AT THE END, BUT I'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS 'CAUSE I DO HAVE A LOT OF DATA.
SO, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, RF DESIGN ANALYSIS OR JUSTIFICATION FOR THE COVERAGE SITE.
A WIRELESS CARRIER BUILDS A SITE.
ONE IS COVERAGE, ONE IS CAPACITY.
COVERAGE IS THE ABILITY FOR THE TRANSCEIVER AND THE MOBILE PHONE TO TALK TO TRANSCEIVER ON THE SITE AND COMMUNICATE NO DROP CALLS, NO LOSS OF QUALITY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
CAPACITY IS THE OTHER WAY TO, IT'S GETTING BUILT.
UH, I USE AN ANALOGY, A WATER PIPE.
IF YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON TAPPING A WATER PIPE, YOU GET 100% OF THAT PIPE'S CAPACITY.
IF ANOTHER PERSON COMES IN AND TAPS IT, THEY GET 50%.
IF TWO MORE PEOPLE COME IN, EVERYBODY GETS 25%.
IF FOUR MORE PEOPLE COME IN, EVERYBODY GETS 12 POINT HALF PERCENT.
SO CAPACITY IS MUCH LIKE THE WATER, IT'S BANDWIDTH, IT'S IT'S THROUGHPUT.
THE MORE BIGGER THE WATER PIPE OR THE MORE RADIO CHANNEL YOU HAVE, THE, THE GREATER THE THROUGHPUT.
SO THAT'S THE SECOND REASON WIRELESS CARRIERS BUILD SITES.
OBJECTIVE IS TO PROVIDE AREAS, UH, RURAL AREAS ALONG EAST CONCHO HIGHWAY EAST TO SNOWFLAKE CAPACITY AND POOR COVERAGE IS NOT ALLOWING MOBILES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HIGHER BANDWIDTH OR HIGHER THROUGHPUT.
96% OF AMERICANS OWN A CELL PHONE.
57 PROVIDE, UH, 57 AMERICAN HOMES ARE CELL PHONE ONLY.
AND 84% OF 9 1 1 CALLS ARE MADE FROM MOBILE DEVICES.
UH, SAME THING REGS TALKED TO.
IT'S JUST A 120 FOOT MONOPOLE TOWER.
WHY HERE USERS ARE EXPERIE EXPERIENCING LACK OF COVERAGE.
AND I'LL, I'LL GO OVER THE DRIVE TEST DATA TO GIVE YOU A MORE THOROUGH ANALYSIS.
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GROWTH, UH, MOBILE'S REPORTING, AND THEY'RE SHOWING POOR BAD COVERAGE FOR ALL FOUR MAJOR CARRIERS.
THIS IS THE, UH, VERIZON SITES.
THESE ARE ALL THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NEIGHBORING VERIZON SITES, TO THE PROPOSED CLOSEST.
UH, FARTHEST ONE IS ABOUT 24.39 MILES AWAY.
SO SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE SITES.
THIS IS A THIRD PARTY CROWDSOURCE STATE.
I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T ZOOM IN.
I WANTED TO KIND OF GET A BETTER PICTURE.
BUT BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS, IS, UH, MOBILES THAT ARE ON THE NETWORKS, THEY ACTUALLY REPORT BACK TO CARRIER SERVERS TELLING 'EM WHAT'S GOING ON.
DO THEY HAVE A GOOD SERVICE, BAD SERVICE? WHAT'S THE LEVEL OF SERVICE? AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT RED SQUARE ON THE LEFT, UH, ANYTHING YOU SEE, IT'S ORANGE, RED OR THE DARK RED, UH, THAT'S SHOWING POOR SERVICE OR LACK OF INDOOR SERVICE AND EVEN LACK OF SERVICES AT ALL IN SOME CASES.
UH, THIS IS ANOTHER THIRD PARTY CROWDSOURCE DATA.
LOOK IN THE RED BOX TO THE LEFT, ANYTHING DARK GREEN, ORANGE OR RED.
THAT'S SHOWING YOU, UH, BAD COVERAGE.
AND WE CAN SEE WITHIN THE AREA OF THE SITE THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RED, UH, OPEN SIGNAL.
ANOTHER CROWDSOURCE DATA SOURCE.
IT'S, IT'S SHOWING VERY FEW REPORTS FROM MOBILES, WHICH IS INDICATED INDICATIVE OF TWO THINGS.
ONE IS THE, THE LACK OF MOBILES REPORTING, AND TWO IS, IS THE LACK OF THE MOBILE'S ABILITY TO, TO CONNECT TO THE NETWORK.
ALL RIGHT, THIS IS RSRP COVERAGE, RECEIVE SIGNAL REFERENCE POWER.
THIS IS BASICALLY, UH, A PROPAGATION MODELING TOOL THAT USES A WHOLE LOT OF MATH AND CALCULATES THINGS LIKE PATH LOSS, LOOKS AT WHAT KIND OF TERRAIN IS IN THE AREA, WHAT KIND OF TREES, CLUTTER, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA, HOW MANY BUILDINGS, WHAT TYPE OF BUILDINGS, UH, ALL THESE OTHER THINGS TO 95% PROBABILITY.
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SERVICE, YELLOW MEANS THERE'S IN-VEHICLE SERVICE, AND RED MEANS THERE'S ON STREET SERVICE.AND ANYTHING WITHOUT THOSE THREE IS A LACK OF SERVICE.
IT'S KINDA LIKE STICK YOUR, LICK YOUR FINGER AND HOLD IT UP IN THE YARD AND HOPE FOR THE BEST YOU MIGHT MAKE IT.
WITH THE NEW PROPOSED SITE, WE'VE, UH, SHOWN AN INCREASE IN INDOOR SERVICES AS WELL AS IN VEHICLE AND ON STREET.
UH, THIS IS THE BEST SERVER PLOT.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY, OKAY, IF I HAVE TRANSMITTERS ACTIVE ON EXISTING SITES WHO PROVIDES THE SERVICE TO THE AREA, WE CAN SEE THAT THERE'S MULTIPLE TRANSMITTERS KIND OF ALL COMING IN TOGETHER AND THE MOBILES ARE HAVING A HARD TIME MAKING DECISION ON WHICH SITE TO TALK TO BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE AND THE CAPACITY.
IF WE LOOK AT THE PROPOSED SITE, WHEN THE PROPOSED KITE COMES IN, IT'S, IT BECOMES A VERY DOMINANT SERVER AND, AND SERVES THIS AREA QUITE WELL.
THIS IS AT AND T SITE, SO WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER CARRIERS.
UH, THEIR CLOSEST SITE IS 4.02 MILES AWAY JUST TO THE SOUTH SOUTHWEST.
THEIR FARTHEST IS 22.98 MILES AWAY LOOKING AT THEIR, UH, REPORTED MOBILE DATA.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING A LOT OF BAD COVERAGE REPORTS.
YOU GO TO THE EAST AND THE WEST, THEY'RE GETTING SOME GOOD COVERAGE REPORTS, BUT A LOT OF BAD COVERAGE IN AN AREA AROUND THE, AROUND THE PROPOSED.
UH, THERE'S AT AND T CELL MAPPER, WE CAN SEE THAT SITE TO THE EAST.
UH, THEN WE CAN SEE TIGHT TO THE SOUTHWEST.
THAT'S DOWN AROUND THE, I BELIEVE IT'S NEXT TO A WATER TANK, BUT STILL WITHIN THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED.
WE'VE GOT, UH, A LACK OF SIGNAL.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S NOT A LOT OF AT T USERS REPORTING DATA IN THE AREA, UH, AND GETTING ATTACHMENT TO THE NETWORK OFF THE CROWDSOURCE DATA.
THIS IS CELLULAR ONE, CELLULAR ONE'S CLOSEST IS 4.02.
IT'S CO-LOCATED WITH AT AND T AT THAT SAME SITE BY THE WATER TANK.
AND THE FARTHEST SITE IS 35.03 MILES AWAY.
IF WE LOOK AT SE UH, ULA CELLULAR ONE, SAME THING.
WE'RE GETTING SOME RED, UH, SOME ORANGE RED AND DARK RED.
UH, WE'RE REALLY FALLING OFF PRETTY BAD BECAUSE THAT SITE TO THE EAST IS 30 MILES AWAY.
SO IT, IT FALLS OFF PRETTY FAST ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU GET PAST THAT SITE.
THAT'S ON, UH, NEXT TO THE WATER TANK.
UH, AND THAT'S I BELIEVE THE END OF THIS DECK.
CAN YOU MOVE OVER TO THE ONLINE MAPS DECK IT.
SO THIS DECK IS, UH, OPPOSITION BROUGHT UP THAT THE ONLINE MAPS SHOW, UH, COVERAGE IN THESE AREAS.
UH, WHY DO WE NEED A SITE IF IT ALREADY SHOWS COVERAGE? UM, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE ONLINE MAPS JUST BECAUSE I'M AN ENGINEER AND I KINDA LIKE TO SEE THINGS EXACT, BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS IN PLAY.
IF WE LOOK AT THE BOTTOM IN THAT RED CIRCLE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A THING THAT SAYS DISCLAIMER.
AND AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT, IT'S GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, ADDITIONAL LTE COVERAGE INFORMATION.
SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT, THAT'S THE DISCLAIMER.
SO BASICALLY THE SECOND LINE SAID, THIS MAP IS NOT A GUARANTEE OF COVERAGE.
CONTAINS AREAS OF NO SERVICE AND MAY NOT REFLECT ACTUAL CUSTOMER PERFORMANCE.
ACTUAL COVERAGE MAY VARY THIN, MANY THINGS CAN AFFECT AVAILABILITY AND QUALITY OF YOUR SERVICE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO NETWORK CAPACITY, YOUR DEVICE, TERRAIN, BUILDINGS, FOLIAGE, WEATHER, TOPOGRAPHY, AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH RADIO TECHNOLOGY.
YOUR SERVICE MAY VARY SIGNIFICANTLY WITHIN BUILDINGS.
SO WE HAVE OUR ONLINE COVERAGE MAP, BUT A LAWYER HAD TO GET INVOLVED AND GIVE THIS NICE WONDERFUL DISCLAIMER SAYING MAY NOT BE 100% TRUE.
AND SO JUST FOR, UH, COMPARATORS, I I WENT TO, OOPS, SORRY, I WENT TO AT T'S ONLINE MAP IN THE SAME AREA AND WE HAVE A KIND OF AT THE BOTTOM IN THE RED WE HAVE THE SAME DISCLAIMER.
AND IF WE LOOK AT IT BASICALLY AT AND T'S SAYING THE SAME THING, IT MAY NOT SHOW ACTUAL COVERAGE.
T-MOBILE ACTUALLY ROAMS ON A PARTNER.
THEY'RE ROAMING ON CELLULAR ONE.
SO, UH, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY PROVIDING SERVICE IN AREA EXCEPT THROUGH ROAMING CAPABILITIES.
AND THEN THEY HAVE BASICALLY THE SAME KIND OF DISCLAIMER.
SO, UH, ONLINE MAPS, SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION AND THERE'S DISCLAIMERS ABOUT, DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA GET SERVICE.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, HERE'S THE CELLULAR ONE MAP AND MAPS ARE A GENERAL REPRESENTATION OF COVERAGE.
SO EVERYBODY'S KIND OF SAYING THE SAME THING AND A FEW DIFFERENT LEGAL TERMS OF SAYING IT, BUT THEY'RE ALL, UH, DOING THE SAME THING.
UH, I NEED TO GET TO THE LAST DECK, WHICH IS THE DRIVE TEST.
I HOPE I'M NOT GLAZING EYES OVER AND I'M KEEPING IT INTERESTING TRYING TO MOVE FAST.
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OKAY, SO THIS IS DRIVE TEST REPORT I DID ON OCTOBER 29TH.THIS IS CERTIFICATION OF MY ENGINEERING BACKGROUND, 35 YEARS.
THE DRIVE TEST OVERVIEW, THIS WAS PERFORMED TO SHOW WHAT COVERAGE IS IN THE FIELD.
SO WHAT'S THE ACTUAL COVERAGE VALUES, NOT WHAT'S BEEN THEORETICALLY MODELED WITHIN A PROPAGATION TOOL, WHICH IT'S CLOSE, BUT REAL WORLD TEST.
UH, I USED A ROOF MOUNT EXTERNAL SCANNER AND A GPS ANTENNA THAT WORKED ON A, A INDUSTRY STANDARD PC TAIL GFL SCANNER.
UH, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH EVERY WIRELESS CARRIER HAS SCANNERS LIKE THIS.
THIS IS, UH, EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT.
I DID A SECOND LITTLE MODULAR SCANNER THAT JUST DID A QUICK QUICK SCAN.
YOU HAVE TO DO THAT STATIONARY.
SO I WANTED TO VALIDATE WHAT CHANNELS I WAS SEEING.
UH, I ALSO HAD THREE PHONES ACTIVE 'CAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A SIM FOR CELLULAR ONE, SO I COULD ONLY TEST AT T, VERIZON AND T-MOBILE.
SO THERE WAS ACTIVE CALL TESTING.
SO AS WE'RE DRIVING AROUND THE SCANNERS, LOOKING AT ALL OF THE WIRELESS OPERATORS AND ALL THE FREQUENCY BANDS THEY USE.
AND THEN THE MOBILES ARE ACTUALLY ON THOSE NETWORKS MAKING, UH, CALL OR NOT MAKING CALLS BUT DOING THROUGHPUT TESTING TO SHOW WHAT THE THROUGHPUT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA.
SO THE DRIVE TESTS WERE PERFORMED ON OCTOBER 11TH AND THE, THE SCANNER PER PROCESS SIGNAL DETAILS FROM, LIKE I SAID FROM ALL CARRIERS AND THE DRIVE TROUT WAS CREATED BASED UPON THE, THE PROPOSED COVERAGE OF WHAT THAT NEW SITE WOULD DO.
SO I DID A BLIND SCAN IN THE GFL, BASICALLY THAT'S, I WANT YOU TO GO SCAN THESE BANDS, FIND ANYBODY YOU CAN, AND I WANT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN THOSE CHANNELS.
SO I'M ABLE TO COLLECT DATE AND TIME COORDINATES, ORDINANCES, CELL IDS, PCIS, ALL THESE OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS.
THE BANDS THAT ARE ACTIVE IN THE AREA ARE 700 AND 850 MEGAHERTZ CHANNELS, 1900 MEGAHERTZ CHANNELS 2100 AS WELL AS 3,800 MEGAHERTZ.
UH, BACK IN TOWARDS SNOWFLAKE.
THESE ARE THE FREQUENCY BANDS.
SO I GOT TWO, TWO CHANNELS, TWO BLOCKS OUT OF AT AND T.
I GOT TWO OUT OF CELLULAR ONE AND I GOT FOUR OUT OF VERIZON.
SO VERIZON HAS MORE SPECTRAL CAPACITY IN THE AREA.
UH, SO THAT GIVES YOU THE, THE DOWNLINK FREQUENCY.
LOW BAND IS UH, 700, 800 MEGAHERTZ, 600 MEGAHERTZ.
AND THEN HIGH BAND IS 3,800 OVER 98.
OVER 90% OF THE SPECTRUM USED BY THESE CARRIERS IS MID BAND.
AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL COME CLEAR TO YOU WHEN WE WE GO ON THROUGH THE DRIVE TEST DATA, BUT THAT, THAT'S A, A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT RIGHT THERE.
SO I REPOSTED THE OKLA DATA JUST SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT THE MOBILES IN THE AREA ARE ACTUALLY REPORTING FOR AT AND T CELLULAR ONE.
UH, COME ON VERIZON, COME ON NOW.
SO LIKE I SAID, I, I CREATED THIS ROUTE BASED UPON WHAT THE COVERAGE, PROJECTED COVERAGE OF A PROPOSED COVERAGE AREA.
AND I WENT OUTSIDE OF THAT SITE'S PROPOSED COVERAGE AREA AS WELL JUST TO JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORS.
UH, ONCE AGAIN THE VERIZON SITES, UH, AND HOW CLOSE THEY ARE.
OKAY, SO THIS IS THE VERIZON LOW BAND SCANNER DATA.
SO IF WE LOOK IN THE UPPER RIGHT LEGEND GREEN, LIKE WE HAD BEFORE, WE HAD GREEN, YELLOW, AND RED, WE HAVE THE SAME THING HERE.
I ADDED A MARGINAL NEG 1 0 6 TO NEG ONE 20.
THAT'S KINDA LIKE LICK YOUR FINGER, STICK IT IN THE AIR, HOPE FOR THE BEST.
YOU MAY MAKE A, YOU MAY MAKE A CALL AND IN LOW TO NO SERVICE WHERE THE MOBILE'S NOT EVEN GONNA REALLY ATTACH TO THE NETWORK THAT WELL, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE PAST DATA.
SO WE CAN SEE ON VERIZON 885 MEGAHERTZ THAT THINGS FALL OFF PRETTY FAST COMING EAST OUTTA SNOWFLAKE.
AND THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED SITE, THE AREA THAT'S GONNA COVER, ITS ITS MARGINAL SERVICE AND LOW TO NO SERVICE.
SO MID BAND DOES NOT PROPAGATE AS FAR AS LOW-BAND.
SO THIS SCANNER DATA SHOWS, WELL WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE MARGINAL, A LOT MORE OUTDOOR UH, SERVICE THAN WE DO IN BUILDING OR IN VEHICLE.
THERE'S AT AND T CLOSEST 4.02 AND 4.05 WE'RE GONNA SEE A LITTLE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME CLOSER PROXIMITY SITES.
SO THERE'S AT T'S LOW BAND CHANNEL AND WHAT IT COVERS.
SO EVEN IN THE AREA, THE PROPOSED, AS REG TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OTHER CARRIERS CAN CO-LOCATE AT AND T WITHIN THE AREA TO THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH AND RIGHT AROUND THE AREA THEY'RE NOT DOING AS WELL FOR INDOOR SERVICES AND IN VEHICLE.
AND WE LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, THAT'S AT AND T'S MID BAND.
MID BAND'S NOT GOING TO DO AS GOOD A JOB.
UM, SO THAT JUST KIND OF SHOWS YOU THAT THE AREA'S STILL IN NEED EVEN THOUGH AT AND T'S RELATIVELY CLOSE.
HERE'S CELLULAR ONE, CELLULAR ONE SCANNER DATA.
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WELL WE'VE GOT PRETTY GOOD TO THE EAST, BUT, OR PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD TO THE WEST, EXCUSE ME, TO THE EAST.WE GO LOW TO NO SERVICE EVEN ON A LOW BAND FREQUENCY, A 652 MEGAHERTZ CHANNEL.
IT'S JUST NOT PROPAGATING OUT EAST AND IT'S NOT PROVIDING SERVICE TO THE NORTH, UM, TO THE SOUTH AND AND DEFINITELY TO THE EAST, RIGHT? THEIR CELL ONE'S 1900 MEGAHERTZ CHANNEL, A LITTLE BIT BETTER SERVICE FOR 1900 MEGAHERTZ CHANNEL BUT STILL WITHIN AN AREA THEY'RE PROPOSED AND WHAT, WHAT THE RF ENGINEER VERIZON'S TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF, UH, DEFINITELY NEEDS SOME HELP.
OKAY, THIS IS ACTIVE CALL TESTING.
SO ACTIVE CALL TESTING IS THE THREE MOBILES THAT ARE SITTING THERE DOING DOWN, DOWN LINK THROUGHPUT MEASUREMENTS.
SO THEY'RE JUST MAKING SPEED TEST MEASUREMENTS AND SAYING, HEY, HOW FAST IS THE BANDWIDTH I CAN GET TO? NOW THIS, THIS SLIDE IS SHOWING PHYSICAL CELL ID.
SO WE CAN SEE BY A LIST THERE'S PHYSICAL CELL ID IS THE SET OF ANTENNAS.
SO THERE'S THREE SETS OF ANTENNAS ON EACH EXISTING TOWER.
WHAT THIS CHART TELLS ME IS THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF SIGNALS COMING IN AND NO BODY'S DOING THE JOB.
SO MOBILE'S OUT THERE JUST KIND OF FREAKING OUT, LIKE TRYING TO HOLD A CONVERSATION WITH 15 DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE A CON A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH THOSE 15 DIFFERENT PEOPLE JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.
SO LIKE WE SAW WITH THE SCANNER, NOW WE HAVE THE PHONE, THE PHONE HAS A SCANNER IN IT AS WELL.
IT'S TELLING YOU WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO ACTIVE CALL TESTING FROM VERIZON WAS NOT GOOD, IT WAS JUST NOT SEATED.
AND I HAD THE, I HAD THE MOBILES UP BASICALLY, UH, SITTING ON UM, THE DASH OF THE CAR.
SO THEY, THEY SHOW, YOU KNOW THAT TYPICALLY CLOSE TO WHERE SOMEONE'S HEAD IS IF THEY HAVE THE PHONE UP NEXT TO THEIR EAR.
WELL, OKAY, SO THROUGHPUT TESTING IS DOWNLOAD THROUGHPUT.
SO UH, YOU KNOW WHAT? AT HOME WITH WIFI AND OUR INTERNET SERVICES HOME, WE'RE SEEING SOMETIMES 10, 20, 30, 50, A HUNDRED MEGABITS.
YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE, YOU COULD HAVE A GIG, UH, BASICALLY PRETTY MUCH FOR THE ACTIVE CALL TESTING IN THE AREA THROUGHOUT THE AREA FOR VERIZON WAS LESS, LESS THAN ONE MEGABIT PER SECOND.
SO THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT THE SCC SAYS IS BROADBAND DATA.
UH, NOT DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB WITHIN THIS AREA BASED ON EXISTING SITES.
THIS IS AT T UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE'S A SMALLER LIST OF CELL IDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY COMING IN THE AREA.
THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE SITES THAT ARE CLOSER.
SO WE'RE GONNA GET MORE DOMINANT FROM THOSE SITES.
BUT EVEN WITH THE THAT MANY CELL IDS OR THAT REDUCED AMOUNT OF CELL IDS, WERE NOT GETTING GOOD SERVICE WITHIN THE AREA.
OKAY, THERE'S THE AT AND T CALLS TESTING.
SO THAT'S THE MOBILE CONNECTED AND WHAT IT WAS SEEING.
WE CAN SEE BETTER COVERAGE TO THE EAST BECAUSE THAT COVERAGE THAT SITE TO THE EAST ON THE HILL.
WE CAN SEE COVERAGE TO THE SOUTHWEST BECAUSE OF THE SITE NEXT TO THE WATER TANK.
BUT STILL IN THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED ACTIVE CALL TESTING.
AT AND T EVEN WITH THOSE TWO SITES ARE SEEING PRETTY LOW THROUGHPUT, UH, NOT DOING A GOOD JOB.
SO THE CONCLUSION THE SCANNER RECORDED THE FREQUENCY BANDS FOR AT AND T CELL ONE IN VERIZON.
ONCE AGAIN T-MOBILE'S ROAMING ON CELL ONE.
UH, THE EXISTING SITES DO NOT PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE NEED IN AREA.
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT GAP IN SERVICE FOR AT LEAST TWO MILES.
THE THROUGHPUT LEVELS I'LL SHOW ONE BELOW ONE MEGABITS PER SECOND AND I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SITE.
ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO OVER THE CALL TO THE PUBLIC? THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'LL JUST ASK ONE QUESTION HERE.
IF I WERE TO PULL CERTAIN AREAS IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY OR THE STATE, COULD WE GET THE SAME CONCLUSION? I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
WELL, IF I WERE TO SAY I'M DRIVING TO PHOENIX AND I DON'T HAVE VERY GOOD RECEPTION DOWN AROUND A CERTAIN AREA, COULD I GET THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT YOU HAVE HERE? UH, THAT WE NEED ANOTHER SITE? UH, WELL I CAN TELL YOU RIDING UP FROM PHOENIX THIS MORNING AT 4:00 AM UH, I HAD REALLY, REALLY BAD SERVICE COMING SOUTH, UH, SOUTH OF PAYSON FROM NORTH OF PHOENIX TO SOUTH OF PAYSON.
AND UH, THERE WAS SOME, SOME AREAS ALONG THE EAST SIDE.
HOW MANY CARS DO YOU THINK TRAVEL THAT ROAD EVERY DAY? THAT SIR, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO.
IT WOULD BE MORE THAN TRAVEL EAST AND WEST CON I WOULD IMAGINE WOULD SAY.
WE'VE ALSO HAD SEVERAL ISSUES IN SHO ARIZONA OF WHERE WE HAVE DEAD SPOTS.
VERIZON HAS DONE VERY LITTLE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AS WELL.
AND SO I DON'T LOOK AT THIS AS AN ISOLATED CASE OR AN ISOLATED AREA THAT NEEDS SERVICE AS OPPOSED TO ANY OTHER AREA BECAUSE I FEEL THERE'S OTHER AREAS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT SUFFER THAT MAYBE HAVE A GREATER CELL PHONE NEED AND A GREATER NEED.
I MEAN WE ALL HAVE NEEDS BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT IS AFFECTING, I CAN FIND OTHER AREAS IN THE COUNTY
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THAT ARE PROBABLY GREATER NEED OF AFFECTING AS WELL.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
UM, WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I HAVE QUITE A FEW HERE.
UM, QUITE A FEW SLIPS SO WE'LL GO ON IN THE ORDER THAT I HAVE 'EM.
SO ANNA, IF YOU'RE HERE, DO WE HAVE AN ANNA REAL, REAL QUICK? UM, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO ASK IF THE DEWITT FAMILY IS HERE FOR BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
THEY TRY TO GUESS WHAT TIME THEY CAN DO THAT AT TO GET THOSE PEOPLE HERE.
UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF THEY'RE HERE RIGHT NOW, NOT SEEING THEM.
MY NAME IS ANNA PARIS GUNDO AND I LIVE AT 8 5 1 1 RTA LANE, WHICH IS JUST A HALF A MILE FROM THE PROPOSED SITE.
IT'S JUST SOUTH OF THOSE FIVE HOMES THAT HE HAD ON THE SCREEN THERE.
I WAS AT THE HEARING IN SEPTEMBER AND WHAT UPSET ME THE MOST WAS THAT ONE PERSON WHO REPRESENTS A HUGE CORPORATION IS TELLING YOU THAT WE NEED THIS TOWER.
HE WILL MOST LIKELY BE PAID WELL IF IT'S APPROVED AND IT WOULDN'T NEG NEGATIVELY AFFECT HIM YET IF THIS TOWER IS APPROVED, IT WILL AFFECT US WHO LIVE NEAR IT EVERY DAY.
AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PROVE THAT IT WILL DECREASE THE VALUE OF OUR HOMES OR HAVE OUR MAILBOX MO BOXES MOVED OR ANYTHING ELSE.
WE ARE TELLING YOU THAT WE DON'T WANT IT, DON'T NEED IT.
AND THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
THE CELL SERVICE IN OUR AREA IS ALREADY VERY GOOD.
I WORK FROM HOME AND DEPEND ON CELL SERVICE AND IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS WE HAVE LIVED HERE.
WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD GOOD SERVICE WITH NO ISSUES.
I'VE EVEN USED THE VERIZON HOTSPOT IF THE INTERNET IS DOWN AND IT WORKS JUST FINE.
AND I'VE BEEN A VERIZON CUSTOMER FOR A LONG TIME.
THE PROPOSED SITE IS SO CLOSE TO HOMES, IT'S NOT THE RIGHT PLACE FOR A CELL TOWER.
THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER AREAS FAR AWAY FROM HOMES THAT WOULD BE A BETTER SPOT FOR IT.
WITHOUT OPPOSITION, I KNOW IT'LL REDUCE THE VALUE OF OUR HOME 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA LIVE NEAR A CELL TOWER.
HOW MANY POTENTIAL BUYERS WOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY.
THE REASON WE MOVED HERE WAS TO GET AWAY FROM THINGS LIKE THIS.
WE SPENT THE LAST SEVEN YEARS AND A LOT OF MONEY BUILDING OUR RETIREMENT HOME.
NOW WE MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE VERIZON SAYS WE NEED A TOWER.
THE VIEWS ARE SO BEAUTIFUL LOOKING WEST.
THAT CELL CELL TOWER WILL BE IN THAT VIEW AND I WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE SUNSETS AGAIN.
OF COURSE, I HAVE HEALTH CONCERNS TOO.
AND THEN IN MY RESEARCH TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHY HEALTH CONCERNS CAN'T BE CONSIDERED IN YOUR DECISION? I FOUND OUT THAT THE FCC HAS NOT DONE ANY UPDATED RESEARCH ON HEALTH EFFECTS OF WIRELESS RADIATION SINCE 1996.
I ALSO FOUND OUT THAT THE FCC BASICALLY HAS MORE RIGHTS THAN I DO.
THAT PUTS US ALL AT RISK, ESPECIALLY IN THE ERA OF 5G OR MORE AS NEW TECHNOLOGIES COME OUT.
WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH REPRESENTATION IN THIS COM COUNTRY RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M HOPING THAT OUR VOICES WILL BE HEARD HERE TODAY AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DENY THIS TOWER.
I LIVE IN THE CONT AREA, BUT I WORK FOR ABOUT THE LAST 13 YEARS FOR THIS EI COMMUNITY AND SPEND, UH, WELL, PROBABLY 80% OF MY CUSTOMERS ARE THE EI COMMUNITY BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THEIR ISSUES AND I, UH, TAKE CARE OF MY OWN HYGIENE SO THAT IT, I'M ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM.
UM, AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT I WOULD LOSE MOST OF MY BUSINESS IF THIS TOWER IS PUT RIGHT THERE.
AND I'VE BEEN ASKED BY ONE OF THE EI MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO PRESENT HIS PAPER BECAUSE HE'S NOT ABLE TO COME.
I AM UNABLE TO APPEAR IN PERSON, SO MY HELPER READS THIS TO YOU.
I LIVE AT 57 0 8 MARTIN ROAD, AND ESPECIALLY BELT HOUSE I HAVE LIVED IN FOR THE PAST 16 YEARS.
IT'LL NOT BE POSSIBLE TO SELL THIS HOUSE TO REGULAR PEOPLE FOR WHAT IT WILL COST TO BUILD A NEW ONE ELSEWHERE.
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REJECT THE RECENT DECEPTIVE FILINGS BY SBA.THE REPORTS ARE DECEIVING BECAUSE THEY DO NOT CONSIDER THE IMPROVED COVERAGE OF THE AREA THAT WILL RESULT FROM THE TWO OTHER TOWERS THAT ARE ALREADY APPROVED, IS ALSO DECEPTIVE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY THAT 9 1 1 CALLS GET PRIORITY.
IF A TOWER IS BUSY, THE TELECOM INDUSTRY IS INFAMOUS FOR THEIR DECEPTIVE REPORTS.
DON'T FALL FOR IT, SIMPLY THROW IT OUT, THEN VOTE NO ON THIS BAD AND UNN UNNECESSARY PROJECT.
AS YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN A REALTOR IN THE AREA NOW GOING ON 23 YEARS.
I LIVE EAST OF THIS AREA, SO I DRIVE BY THIS INTERSECTION ALMOST DAILY.
IF I HAVE A PHONE CALL GOING AND I'M ON THE PHONE A LOT, I DO NOT LOSE SIGNAL DROPPING THROUGH THAT AREA.
IT MAY BE TOUGH MAKING A CALL FROM THAT CORNER, BUT I HOLD SIGNAL EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY THAT INTERSECTION.
UH, I'VE DONE DOZENS OF BPOS, BROKER PRICE OPINIONS FOR BANKS THAT WANT TO KNOW MY OPINION OR JUDGMENT OR ASSESSMENT.
IT'S ACTUALLY A PROFESSIONAL, A PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT OF THEIR PROPERTIES VALUES BEFORE THEY PUT 'EM ON THE MARKET.
SO MY OPINION, IT'S MORE THAN JUST AN OPINION.
IT IS A PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT.
UM, AND I CAN TELL YOU WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY THIS MCS PROPERTY VALUES WILL BE DECREASING SIGNIFICANTLY WITH THAT TOWER.
AND THEIR ABILITY TO RESELL THESE WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THEY ARE A SPECIALTY BUILD.
THEY GOT A LOT OF HIGH DOLLAR MATERIAL IN THEM, BUT THEY'RE VERY BASIC HOMES.
THEY'RE NOT THE SMART HOMES THAT MOST NORMAL PEOPLE WANT.
THEY'RE VERY BASIC, VERY DIFFICULT TO SELL.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S BEEN IN THE, BEEN GOING FOR 30 YEARS.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE DEVELOPED A LEGEND.
THERE'S EVEN BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUT IT.
YOU PROBABLY GOT THE COPY OF SNOWFLAKE, A BOOK WRITTEN ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY.
IT'S GOT A HISTORY OF BEING SOUGHT A OUT AS A SAFE HAVEN FOR ALL THESE FOLKS THAT HAVE IMMUNITY DEFICIENCIES.
IF THAT TOWER GOES IN THERE, ALL OF THAT'S GONE.
THE INTEREST OF ANYBODY WITH IMMUNITY PROBLEMS IS NEVER GONNA WANNA LIVE THERE.
IT JUST, IT'S GONNA BE A DISASTER FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
THE STATE, THE COUNTY IN OCAC WORKED AND COLLABORATED TO PURCHASE A HOME ON 40 ACRES MANY YEARS AGO AND REZONED IT MULTIFAMILY SO THEY COULD BUILD CHEMICALLY FREE DUPLEXES TO HELP THESE FOLKS.
UM, IT'S WELL DOCUMENTED HOW DANGEROUS CELL TOWERS ARE TO OUR HEALTH.
IT'S CRIMINAL THAT MONEY AND POWER CAN MASK THAT DANGER AS IF IT DOESN'T EXIST.
AND ALSO, I GOT A LETTER, I JUST SENT IT TO MELISSA LAST NIGHT, IT'S A LITTLE LATE.
VANIA CHAMBERS IS THE OWNER OF THE COUNTRY STORE AND SNOWFLAKE TIRE.
THEY'VE GOT GREAT SERVICE CELL AND INTERNET.
THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN A NEW CELL TOWER AT THAT INTERSECTION.
MELISSA HAS THAT EMAIL IN CASE YOU ARE INTERESTED, BUT IT'S JUST THE WRONG THING TO DO IN THE WRONG NEIGHBORHOOD.
THESE FOLKS HAVE LIVED THEIR WHOLE LIFE THERE.
THEIR LIVES WILL BE DESTROYED WITH THAT TOWER AND I CAN GUARANTEE IT.
KAREN, AARON, DO YOU EVER CARRY ANY GOOD MORNING? UM, IN 2001, THE BOARD APPROVED THE ZONING CHANGE FOR THE WHITE ANTELOPE SECTION OF CONCHO HIGHWAY FROM RURAL TO COMMERCIAL.
THAT WAS RESOLUTION 72 DASH ZERO ONE I.
UM, THE RESOLUTION INCLUDED A STIPULATION THAT WOULD EXCLUDE ENVIRONMENTALLY QUESTIONABLE USES THAT OTHERWISE WOULD BE ALLOWED IN CR ZONING.
I I MENTIONED THIS IN A PREVIOUS LETTER OF SEPTEMBER 22ND TO THE BOARD.
WHILE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT MIGHT BE OVERRIDE
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THE EXCLUSIONS THE BOARD PUT IN THIS STIPULATION TO CREATE A ZONE OF ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY, DESPITE BEING ZONE COMMERCIAL, THE CELL TOWER WOULD BE INADMISSIBLE UNDER THE INTENT OF THIS RESOLUTION.AS AREAS CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE TOWER ARE INHERENTLY UNSAFE, THE BOARD SHOULD DENY THIS APPLICATION TO COMPLY WITH THE INTENT OF ITS OWN ZONING CHANGE.
FURTHERMORE, ANOTHER NAVAJO COUNTY DOCUMENT, THE ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 25 21, AND PARAGRAPH I UNDER APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS SAYS EXISTING WIRELESS FACILITIES MUST BE SHOWN TO BE INADEQUATE FOR REASONABLE COMMERCIAL COVERAGE.
IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR, THE BOARD APPROVED THE BLACK MESA TOWER.
ACCORDING TO ITS APPLICATION, IT WAS TO HAVE BEEN COMPLETED BY THE END OF LAST YEAR.
BUT ACCORDING TO LOCALS IN THE CEDAR HILLS AREA, THE TOWER IS STILL NOT OPERATIONAL.
WHAT THAT APPLICATION STATES, THE BLACK MESA TOWER, WHICH IS CLOSE TO FIVE MILES FROM THE PROPOSED ANTELOPE TOWER, IS THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED COVERAGE TO THE RURAL EDGE AREA, WHICH EXTENDS EAST OF SNOWFLAKE TO THE COUNTY LINE.
A MAP IS INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE, UH, PROPOSAL, WHICH SHOWS COVERAGE MOSTLY TO SNOWFLAKE.
THAT WOULD EASILY ENCOMPASS THE WHITE ANTELOPE COVERAGE AREA.
SBAS DRIVE TEST MIGHT NOT HAVE SHOWN DEFICIENCIES.
BUILDING A SECOND TOWER WHEN AN APPROVED ONE MIGHT BE ADEQUATE DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.
I THINK FOR THIS, THESE TWO REASONS YOU SHOULD DENY THE APPLICATION.
KAREN'S GOING BACK TO HER SEAT.
DO WE HAVE A SUSAN FROM MOLLY? OKAY.
SUSAN, SUSAN, MOLLY, GOOD MORNING TO THE BOARD CHAIR.
FOR THE RECORD, I LIVE AT 8 6 5 7 HANSA TRAIL IN SNOWFLAKE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S PROPOSED AS A SITE FOR THE CELL TOWER.
I THINK IT'S A GRAVE MISTAKE TO BE CONSIDERING INSTALLING A CELL TOWER AT THAT SITE.
I HAVE A LOT OF REASONS FOR SAYING THAT.
I ANTICIPATE THAT PUTTING THE CELL TOWER THERE, WE'LL HAVE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES.
NOT JUST FOR THOSE OF US WHO'S LIVED, WHO'VE LIVED THERE AND WHO DEPEND ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A VERY SURVIVAL, BUT FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW YET, NO ONE IS BORN WITH THE KINDS OF DISABILITIES THAT I HAVE OR SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE.
IT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE BY SURPRISE.
UM, I HOPE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO YOU OR YOUR FAMILIES OR THE OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO WILL BE EXPOSED.
I'VE WRITTEN DOWN A LOT OF VERY GOOD AND SENSIBLE IDEAS, AND RIGHT NOW I, I'LL HAVE TO ASSUME THAT MAYBE YOU'VE READ SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SENT TO YOU DURING THE PAST FEW DAYS.
SO I'LL SPARE YOU MY SENSIBLE IDEAS.
THE MAIN MESSAGE THAT I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU ALL TODAY IS THAT THEIR EQUIPMENT, SBA AND VERIZON'S EQUIPMENT,
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IF CONSTRUCTED NEAR TO WHERE WE LIVE, ESPECIALLY AT JUNCTION, WILL VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY DEGRADE AND DEVALUE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD POSE AN IMPEDIMENT TO CRITICALLY IMPORTANT PUBLIC SERVICES AND COMMERCIAL SERVICES FOR ME, AS I EXPECT IT WILL FOR MANY OTHERS.AS OF A WAY OF DRAWING A PARALLEL, I'D LIKE TO MENTION THAT IF I WERE, IF I WERE IN YOUR CHAIRS AND YOU WERE OUT HERE AND YOU WERE HERE OBJECTING TO A PLAN TO INSTALL A PIG FARM, LAGOON UP WIND FROM YOUR HOUSE, AND, AND I WERE THERE IN YOUR CHAIRS, I COULD SAY LEGALLY AND I'D BE ENTITLED TO SAY, BUT IT'S LEGAL TO PUT A LAGOON UPWIND FROM YOUR HOUSES.
IT'S LEGAL IN ARIZONA AND MOST OF THE COUNTRY TO DO THAT.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHTS HERE.
WE KNOW YOU HAVE HEALTH ISSUES, EVERYBODY DOES, BUT MM-HMM,
BUT THE SITUATION IS THAT IT WILL MAKE YOU SICK.
AND WE ARE SO TERRIBLY SORRY, BUT THERE'S A, THIS IS A RIGHT TO FARM AREA, SO YOU'RE OUTTA LUCK AND I DON'T WANNA HEAR THAT FROM YOU TODAY.
PLEASE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT ONE IS DEBORAH.
I, UH, HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THAT COMMUNITY.
I'M AN EX MEDLER ENGINEER AND, UM, YOU KNOW, NAVAJO, THE NAVAJO COUNTY BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS CELL TOWER, UM, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE IN THEIR BEST INTEREST.
UM, THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT WAS WRITTEN BY THE WIRELESS CORPORATIONS AND LOBBIED THROUGH THE US GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THE WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY DOES CAUSE HEALTH ISSUES.
THIS IS THE SAME PLAYBOOK AS THE CIGARETTE AND THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRIES, SBA SLASH VERIZON HAVE FAILED TO PROVE THAT THERE IS A COVERAGE GAP.
THEREFORE, THE NECESSITY OF THIS PROPOSED TOWER AT CONCHO HIGHWAY AND WHITE ANTELOPE IS NOT PROVEN.
RESIDENTS WITHIN THE SPECIAL NEEDS ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY ARE MEDICALLY AND LEGALLY DISABLED VIA DOCUMENTED RECORDS AND PLACEMENT OF THE PROPOSED TOWER WILL RESULT IN MEDICAL AND LEGAL ISSUES FOR NAVAJO COUNTY.
THE PROPOSED WHITE ANTELOPE CONCHO HIGHWAY WIRELESS TOWER IS GOING TO BE A MAIN COMMUNICATION HUB BETWEEN THE INLINE TOWERS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
UM, THIS COMMUNICATION HUB TOWER WILL BE MORE DETRIMENTAL THAN THE SINGLE TOWERS ALONE.
SECTION FIVE OR SECTION 2 5 2.
ONE OF THE NAVAJO COUNTY RULES AND REGULATIONS COVERS WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITIES.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS SECTION IS TO ESTABLISH RULES, REG, AND REGULATIONS FOR THE SITING OF WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES.
THE NUMBER ONE, NUMBER ONE UNDER THIS HEADING IS CONSIDERING THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE.
I GUESS MAYBE NAVAJO COUNTY FORGOT ABOUT THAT WHEN THEY LOOKING AT THE SIDING FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
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UM, AND NUMBER OVER THE LONG TERM FIBER CABLE IS THE SOLUTION THAT NAVAJO COUNTY MAY WANNA LOOK INTO.IT'S LESS CAPITAL INTENSIVE OVER THE LONG TERM, 100 TIMES FASTER THAN WIRELESS.
MORE RELIABLE AND RESILIENT, MORE POSITIVE OF OUR SECURITY AND PRIVACY.
DEBORAH, AND IF THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CHOOSES TO APPROVE THIS TOWER, I FEEL, THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, I FEEL THAT NAVAJO COUNTY SHOULD REFUND THE TAXES OF EVERYONE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHO'S MEDICALLY AND LEGALLY DISABLED FOR THE ENTIRE TIME THEY'VE LIVED THERE.
DEBORAH, YOU'RE OUT OF TIME ALSO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU PRESENTED TODAY.
VERIZON, DEBORAH, AND SBA SHOULD PAY ALL THE RESIDENTS THERE.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE OUT OF TIME.
WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU SHARING WHAT YOU HAVE.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UH, MY NAME IS MELINDA WILSON.
I LIVE AT 8 3 3 3 ROCKER RANCH TRAIL, SNOWFLAKE, ARIZONA IN THE WHITE ANTELOPE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO LIKE ME ARE UNUSUALLY SENSITIVE TO ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS AND RADIO FREQUENCIES BROADCAST BY CELL TOWERS TO THE POINT OF DISABILITY.
20 PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY WHO HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING MOVING HERE HAVE SENT LETTERS TO THE BOARD THAT THEY WILL NOT MOVE HERE IF THE SBA TOWER IS BUILT.
HERE ARE THREE SHORT QUOTES FROM THE LETTERS THEY SENT.
ORION CRAWFORD SAYS, I ROUTINELY WATCH THE REAL ESTATE LISTINGS FOR THE SNOWFLAKE ENVIRONMENTALLY ILL COMMUNITY.
I AM INTERESTED IN BUYING A HOME THERE CHOSEN SPECIFICALLY TO MINIMIZE MY EXPOSURE TO CHEMICALS AND TO ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS SUCH AS THOSE PRODUCED BY CELLULAR TOWERS.
THE OPERATION OF A CELLULAR TOWER IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS AN IMMEDIATE DISQUALIFICATION IN MY SEARCH.
KAYLA JOHNSON SAYS, I AM STRONGLY CONSIDERING MOVING TO SNOWFLAKE DUE TO THE SPECIFIC BUILDING FORMATS LOCATION OF THIS COMMUNITY AND DISTANCE FROM CELL TOWERS.
THE PROPERTY IN SNOWFLAKE WILL NO LONGER BE OF ANY VALUE TO ME OR OTHERS LIKE ME IF INTRUSIONS SUCH AS THIS CELL TOWER ARE BUILT SO CLOSE TO THIS COMMUNITY.
AND I PERSONALLY, MELINDA WOULD ADD RIGHT AT THE ONLY PLACE WHERE ANYONE COULD GET IN AND OUT OF THE COMMUNITY AND WOULD HAVE TO WAIT THERE FOR PASSING TRAFFIC AND WOULD HAVE TO GET A PO BOX INSTEAD OF
BUT THAT WOULD BE THE LEAST OF THE CONCERNS.
BARBARA SEALEY SAYS, THE COMMUNITY IN SNOWFLAKE IS ONE OF THE FEW SAFER LIVING AREAS IN THE UNITED STATES.
THANKS TO THE SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS USED IN THE HOMES THERE AND THE ABSENCE OF CELL PHONE TOWERS, I HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING A MOVE TO THIS AREA FOR THOSE VERY REASONS.
IF A CELL TOWER IS ERECTED, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONSIDER LIVING THERE.
AND THAT'S THE END OF THOSE QUOTES.
UM, I PERSONALLY, MELINDA, HAVE LIVED HERE IN THIS SPECIAL WHITE ANTELOPE COMMUNITY FOR 12 YEARS IN LOW INCOME RENTAL HOUSING FINANCED BY THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, AND BY THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME.
THIS IS GOVERNMENT FUNDED RENTAL HOUSING, SPECIALLY DESIGNED TO SHIELD AGAINST ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS AND RADIO FREQUENCIES OF THE TYPE BROADCAST BY CELL TOWERS.
IT RENTS ONLY TO CHEMICALLY AND ELECTRICALLY SENSITIVE PEOPLE.
AND FOR YEARS, THERE HAS BEEN A LONG WAITING LIST TO GET INTO THIS HOUSING.
NOW I HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED DOCUMENTATION SHOWING HUD FUNDING AND ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING FUNDING AND ONGOING INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PROPERTY.
I HAVE ALSO SUBMITTED PHYSICIAN LETTERS THAT SUPPORTED MY APPLICATION FOR THIS HOUSING.
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ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO GARY.UM, I AM AN ELECTRICALLY SENSITIVE PERSON.
UH, I CAME FROM CHICAGO WHERE I WORKED AT THE CHICAGO BOARD OPTIONS EXCHANGE.
I HAD MY OWN BUSINESS THERE FOR 20 YEARS.
UH, I WAS SURROUNDED BY ELECTRICAL IMPULSES FROM DISSEMINATION OF QUOTES, UH, ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UM, UH, THE, I WENT TO SEE A DOCTOR, AND THE DOCTOR THEY THROW.
THE ONLY ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM IS AVOIDANCE.
AND WE NEED TO KEEP OUR, THAT'S WHAT KEEPS US SAFE IN OUR COMMUNITY, IS THIS DISTANCE FROM ANYTHING ELECTRICAL.
UM, I HAVE A LIST OF TESTIMONIALS THAT PRESENTED TO A A A I'M NOT GONNA, I'M GONNA READ, LET YOU KNOW ABOUT ONE OF THEM IN PARTICULAR.
AND THIS WEBSITE IS PRODUCED BY A LADY BY THE NAME OF MELINDA HAHN DOWN.
SHE LIVES DOWN IN, UH, OR VALLEY.
IT'S A MONTHLY BULLETIN THAT ADVERTISES FOR PEOPLE LOOKING FOR LESS ELECTRICALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.
THESE PEOPLE COME INTO HER WITH REQUESTS.
AND OVER THE YEARS, I'VE BEEN THERE 17 YEARS, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE I'VE SEEN FROM DIFFERENT STATES, COUNTRIES, OMAN, SPAIN, COPENHAGEN, FROM EAST TO WEST AND NORTH TO SOUTH OF NATIONALITIES.
PEOPLE BEGGING FOR MERCY BECAUSE THEY'RE SICK.
YEAH, THEY HAVE BIRTH DEFECTS, WHATEVER.
AND THIS, I'VE LIVED THERE 17 YEARS AND I GUESS I CONSIDER MYSELF LUCKY.
AND, UH, SO MELINDA HAHN, SHE SAYS HER BOLTON PROVIDES HOUSING ADS FOR SPECIALLY BUILT HOMES AND THOSE WHO CANNOT LIVE IN TYPICAL HOUSING.
IF A TOWER TO BE BUILT AT THE CORNER OF WHITE ANTELOPE AND CONCHO HIGHWAY, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO LIST ANY OF THE HOMES THERE IN MY BULLETIN AS THEY WOULD NO LONGER BE SAFE.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UM, I LIKE KEVIN DUNN ALSO SELL REAL ESTATE IN THE AREA.
UM, BUT I DON'T, I AGREE WITH KEVIN 100% THAT THE REAL ESTATE VALUES WILL DECREASE BECAUSE IF THE SELF TOWER IS PUT IN PLACE, THESE FOLKS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE.
THEIR HEALTH WILL NOT ALLOW IT.
BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A STORY.
UM, MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED HERE ABOUT 14 YEARS AGO, AND WE BOUGHT THE HERITAGE IN BED AND BREAKFAST IN SNOWFLAKE.
AND, UM, WE WERE HAVING A PARTICULARLY QUIET TIME.
AND I HAD A PHONE CALL FROM A GAL WHO WAS IN CANADA, AND SHE, SHE'D BEEN LIVING IN HER CAR, UM, BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE.
AND SHE ASKED IF WE WOULD TURN THE SOFA, THE, UM, THE WIFI OFF AT THE BED AND BREAKFAST.
WE WERE VERY QUIET AND WE SAID YES.
I THOUGHT IT WAS AN ODD REQUEST.
UM, BUT WE SAID YES, AND WE ALLOWED MILLIE AND CHARLIE TO STAY WITH US.
UM, I, I DID HAVE CONNECTION AT THAT TIME WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS HERE TO TRY AND FIND, UH, UH, MILLIE SOMEWHERE TO LIVE THAT SHE COULD LIVE SAFELY.
UM, THEY DID MANAGE TO FIND SOMEWHERE, UM, AND MILLIE AND CHARLIE BECAME FRIENDS OF OURS.
THEY WERE SUPER, SUPER NICE PEOPLE.
IT WAS OVER THANKSGIVING, WE HAD A MEAL WITH THEM.
AND THEY, THEY, I ACTUALLY ENDED UP SELLING THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, MILLIE WAS CURED BY LIVING IN
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OUR AREA.I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, BUT SHE WAS SUICIDAL.
SHE WAS GONNA TAKE HER OWN LIFE BECAUSE SHE WAS SO SICK.
SHE'D BEEN MADE SICK PRIOR TO MOLD AND, UH, BECAUSE OF MOLD.
AND SHE BECAME, UM, YOU KNOW, SENSITIVE TO THE EMF FREQUENCIES.
AND SO I JUST WANT YOU TO CONSIDER, UM, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER HAVING, UM, COMPASSION FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
I WOULD JUST URGE YOU TO BE COMPASSIONATE IN THIS DECISION.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, I THINK SOME, A PERSON IN THE, UM, WHO'S ALSO OPPOSING IT HAS DONE SOME RESEARCH.
THERE'S ABOUT 35% OF THE HOMES IN THE AREA THAT ARE BUILT PURPOSEFULLY FOR PEOPLE WITH ENVIRONMENTAL ILLNESS.
UM, THE VALUE OF THOSE HOMES IS GOING TO DIMINISH DRASTICALLY BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE 35% OF THE HOMES GOING ON THE MARKET ALL AT ONE TIME, THE VALUE IS GOING TO GO DOWN.
I ALSO, VERY BRIEFLY, UM, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTRADICTION IN THE REPORT EARLIER, SAID, THIS IS A DEVELOPING AREA.
AND THEN IN THE SAME CONVERSATION HE ALSO SAID THAT APPRAISERS COULDN'T FIND COMPARABLE SALES.
THAT IS A DIRECT CONTRADICTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE AREA IS DEVELOPING, BUT IT IS NOT DRAMATIC.
ALRIGHT, CARLA OR LAMAR? THANK YOU.
UM, WHERE I'M OPPOSED TO THIS TOWER, I LIVE SOUTH OF THE AREA INDICATED I LIVE SOUTH OF CONCHO.
UM, WE MOVED HERE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
AND IF THIS TOWER GOES IN, I WILL HAVE FULL VIEW OF IT OUT MY SLIDING GLASS DOORS AND OFF MY DECK.
IF THIS TOWER EXISTED WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR MY HOME, I WOULD NOT HAVE PURCHASED MY HOME.
I DON'T NEED TO LOOK OUT AND SEE TECHNOLOGY.
THE FCCS DECISION THAT TOWERS CANNOT BE DECLINED BASED ON HEALTH.
I FAN RATHER CONFUSING, SO I WENT AND LOOKED AT IT.
THE FCC IS BASING THIS OFF OF 1992 AND 1996 DATA.
IT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE.
NO ONE HAS LOOKED AT THIS SINCE THEN.
AND NOW WE HAVE CELL PHONE PROLIFERATION.
THEN WHEN THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT WAS PASSED, ALL 107 PAGES OF IT, IF ANYONE HAS ACTUALLY READ IT, THE THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT EMF DOES TO HUMANS WAS NOT KNOWN.
WE'RE NOW UP TO FOUR, FIVE AND SIX G AND NO ONE'S UPDATED ANY OF THIS INFORMATION.
I LIVE SOUTH OF THIS INDICATION WHERE THE GENTLEMAN SAID YOU HAD TO PUT YOUR FINGER UP IN THE AIR IF YOU WANTED SERVICE.
ONE OF THE AREAS THAT HE SAYS WAS PURPLE AND PINK.
I HAVE GREAT CELL SERVICE FROM MY HOUSE TO MY GARAGE.
I, I REALLY AM SADDENED THAT THIS IS HAPPENING IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I MOVED HERE FOR ACREAGE AND FOR PEACE AND QUIET.
I DIDN'T MOVE HERE TO HAVE TO MOVE AGAIN.
IF THIS GOES IN, I DON'T WANT MY HEALTH AFFECTED.
I DO NOT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT I WILL MOVE AGAIN IF I HAVE TO.
WE'LL GO TO SCOTT KILLINGSWORTH YOU.
MELISSA'S PULLING IT UP RIGHT NOW.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? WE CAN HEAR YOU.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, UH, THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS SCOTT KILLINGSWORTH, 8 5 5 8 GARDEN HOME TRAIL IN SNOWFLAKE.
AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON REALTOR, KEVIN DUNN'S PRESENTATION, HE SUBMITTED DATA TO THE COUNTY LAST WEEK THAT YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED, UH, DEMONSTRATING THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICING BETWEEN, UH, THE, THE AVERAGE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE BETWEEN THE HOUSES OF THE SENSITIVES VERSUS THE, UH, NON SENSITIVES IN OUR AREA.
THESE ARE COMPARABLE SALES IN, IN OUR AREA FOR THE SAME YEAR, FROM 2017 TO 2022, THERE WERE SEVEN SALES OF
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SENSITIVE HOUSES WITH AN AVERAGE, UH, PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT OF $235.AND HE FOUND 10 COMPARABLE SALES OF NONSENSITIVE HOUSES, UH, AN AVERAGE OF $127 PER SQUARE FOOT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER, EXCUSE ME, OF PROPERTIES AND A VERY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THE PRICING.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHY IS THAT THE CASE? BECAUSE WE, WE, UH, OUR, OUR HOMES ARE CUSTOM AND SPECIALTY BUILT.
IT'S, IT'S THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD OF ITS KIND IN THE COUNTRY.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A SPECIAL HOUSING SPECIAL FEATURES THAT ADD PRICE.
AND IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
THERE JUST IS NOT ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS ANYWHERE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE DIFFERENCE.
AND IF THAT TOWER GOES IN AND YOU HEARD SOME OF THE VOICES FROM MELINDA AND GARY OF OUR PERSPECTIVE MARKET, THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BUY OUR HOUSES, THEY'RE SAYING, IF THIS TOWER GOES IN, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE THERE.
WELL, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BUY OUR HOUSES.
SO IF THEY DON'T BUY OUR HOUSES, THEN WHO DOES? WELL, PEOPLE WHO DON'T APPRECIATE THE SPECIAL FEATURES THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED HERE.
AND SO WE WOULD, THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2 35 PER SQUARE FOOT VERSUS 1 27, THAT COULD BE A VERY, YOU KNOW, TANGIBLE MATERIAL LOSS OF VALUE OF OUR HOMES WHEN WE SELL 'EM.
AND THAT IS REAL MATERIAL HARM AND SUBSTANTIVE EVIDENCE OF, OF WHY THIS TOWER, UH, SHOULD NOT GO IN.
SO AT ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT MR. MR. KENNEDY, IN HIS PRESENTATION, IT IT WAS SOMEWHAT MISLEADING BECAUSE, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE COVERAGE IN THE AREA, HE FAILS TO MENTION THAT VERIZON HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR A NEW TOWER AT BLACK MESA, WHICH IS FOUR MILES EAST ON CONCHO HIGHWAY.
AND THEY'RE ALSO PLANNING TO ADD A TRANSMITTER TO THE EXISTING TOWER AT SNOWFLAKE HEIGHTS FOUR MILES WEST.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL LIKE SBA VERIZON IS PRETENDING THAT THESE TOWERS DO NOT EXIST AND WILL NOT EXIST IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY A NEED FOR A TOWER AT WHITE ANTELOPE ROAD.
SCOTT, WE'RE AT THE THREE MINUTE MARK NOW.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO DIANA SULO ONLINE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME AND SEE ME? OH YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
SO YOU'RE PULLING IT UP, DANA, THEY'RE PULLING YOU UP HERE SO WE CAN SEE YOU.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND SUPERVISORS.
I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO DENY THE CELL TOWER APPLICATION FOR FOUR REASONS.
THERE IS STRONG COMMUNITY OPPOSITION AS EVIDENCED BY WRITTEN AND VERBAL COMMUNITY REPRESENTATION.
IT WILL REDUCE OUR PROPERTY VALUES BY 30 TO 40%.
THERE IS A LACK OF COVERAGE NEED AND AESTHETICALLY THE TOWER WILL BE UGLY AND UNWELCOMING.
THE CONCHO HIGHWAY AND WHITE ANTELOPE INTERSECTION MAY BE THE LEAST EXPENSIVE OPTION FOR SBA.
BUT THE BOARD HAS BEEN PROVIDED SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THAT IF THE TOWER IS CONSTRUCTED, IT WILL DEPRECIATE OUR PROPERTY SIGNIFICANTLY.
YOU HAVE 20 LETTERS FROM THE COMMUNITY OF EHS PEOPLE, OUR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS WHO STATED THEY WOULD NOT BUY OUR PROPERTIES IF THE TOWER IS IN PLACE.
OF NOTE, IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NO OPTION TO MOVE OUR MAILBOXES, TO HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER WAY TO GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED EXPERT OPINIONS FROM REALTORS KEVIN DUNN AND JOANNE DURIAN.
FOR MANY OF US, OUR HOMES ARE OUR MAIN ASSET.
WE NEED SOLUTIONS THAT BENEFIT ALL RESIDENTS, NOT JUST THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANIES.
THE APPLICATION CONTAINS A LACK OF ADHERENCE TO REQUIREMENTS AND LEGISLATIVE INTENT.
AS NOTED IN THE BRIEF SUBMITTED BY OUR ATTORNEY ANDREW KEMP.
NOTE, THE APPLICANT FAILED TO MEET THE VERY MINIMAL REQUIREMENTS THAT EXIST FOR A CELL TOWER APPLICATION IN NAVAJO COUNTY.
SBA HAS NOT PROVEN THAT ANY GAP IN COVERAGE CANNOT BE ADDRESSED BY THE ALREADY APPROVED EXISTING CELL TOWER LOCATION OF BLACK MESA AND THE ALREADY EXISTING LOCATION OF SNOWFLAKE HEIGHTS.
THEY CAN STRENGTHEN THAT TOWER IN RURAL AREAS.
A 5G CELL TOWER IS EFFECTIVE FOR A RADIUS OF UP TO 10 MILES.
SO THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT RELIABLE 9 1 1 SERVICES CAN BE PROVIDED.
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SBA WANTS YOU TO ACCEPT THEIR VERY IMPRESSIVE ENGINEER STATEMENT THAT THE TOWER HAS TO BE IN THAT LOCATION.BUT PLEASE CONSIDER THE ALTERNATIVES BEFORE MAKING A DECISION THAT WILL NEGATIVELY AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY'S FUTURE.
ALSO, SBA DID NOT SUBMIT ELECTRICAL DRAWINGS, SO PUBLIC SAFETY HAS NOT BEEN INSURED.
IN THIS MOST BASIC WAY, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT ONCE AN 120 FOOT TOWER IS APPROVED, SBA CAN ADD ANOTHER 20 FEET WITHOUT REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR THAT ADDITION.
IN CONCLUSION, YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE AND LEGAL GROUNDS TO DENY THIS TOWER.
I URGE YOU TO PRIORITIZE THE WELLBEING OF SNOWFLAKE RESIDENCE.
DENY THIS TOWER APPLICATION TO PROTECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES, PRESERVE OUR COMMUNITY CHARACTER, AND ENSURE THAT OUR VOICES ARE HEARD.
ALL THE REST OF THESE ARE GONNA BE ON ZOOM.
MICHELLE, ARE YOU THERE? GOOD MORNING.
CONSIDERATION OF THE WHITE ANTELOPE WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITY IS FUNDAMENTALLY A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE AND A DISABLED RIGHTS ISSUE.
I REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THE PROJECT ON THE BASIS THAT IT WOULD DISCRIMINATE AGAINST MEMBERS OF A PROTECTED CLASS WHO CIVIL RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED BY THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND FEDERAL LAWS.
THE THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT DOES NOT VOID OR INVALIDATE THOSE CIVIL RIGHTS OR THE RULES ENACTED BY CONGRESS AND THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE TO PROTECT THESE INDIVIDUALS.
IT STATES IN SECTION 6 0 1 C ONE, FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL LAWS NO IMPLIED EFFECT.
THIS ACT AND THE AMENDMENTS MADE BY THIS ACT SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO MODIFY, IMPAIR, OR SUPERSEDE FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL LAW UNLESS EXPRESSLY SO PROVIDED IN SUCH ACT OR AMENDMENTS.
AND IN 47 USC 414, IT STATES THAT NOTHING IN THIS ACT CONTAINED SHALL IN ANY WAY A BRIDGE OR ALTER THE REMEDIES NOW EXISTING AT COMMON LAW OR BY STATUTE.
BUT THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ACT ARE IN ADDITION TO SUCH REMEDIES, THIS FACILITY WOULD BLOCK THESE DISABLED PEOPLE'S ACCESS TO THEIR HOMES, THE ONLY ACCESS ROAD AND TWO ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND FEDERAL FACILITIES, WHICH IS THEIR, WHICH ARE THEIR MAILBOXES, THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT AND THE UM, AMENDMENT ACT, THE FAIR HOUSING ACT STATE RULES DISABILITY, CIVIL RIGHTS PROTECTED CLASS.
AND THE ISSUE OF DISCRIMINATION WERE NOT CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD OR MENTIONED BY THE COUNTY STAFF AT THE SEPTEMBER 24TH HEARING, EVEN THOUGH THE COUNTY ACCEPTED THE DISABLED STATUS OF A NUMBER OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO ASKED FOR AND WERE GRANTED DISABLED ACCOMMODATION SO THEY COULD TESTIFY REMOTELY.
IT WAS NOT MENTIONED BY THE APPLICANT AT THIS HEARING, BUT IT WAS MENTIONED AT THE PRIOR YOUR HEARING, MY LETTER AND A GROUP LETTER SUBMITTED WERE NOT INCLUDED IN TODAY'S PACKET.
THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT STATES IN SECTION 4 35, SECTION ONE 30, SUBPART B GENERAL PROG PROHIBITIONS AGAINST DISCRIMINATION.
NO QUALIFIED INDIVIDUAL WITH A DISABILITY SHALL ON THE BASIS OF DISABILITY BE EXCLUDED FROM PARTICIPATION IN OR BE DENIED THE BENEFITS OF THE SERVICES, PROGRAMS OR ACTIVITIES OF A PUBLIC ENTITY, OR BE SUBJECTED TO DISCRIMINATION BY ANY PUBLIC ENTITY APPROVING THE SPECIAL PERMIT WOULD DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THESE INDIVIDUALS.
AND THE PROGRAM SERVICES AND ACTIVITIES INCLUDE HOUSING AND THE PUBLIC ROADS AND THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THE COUNTY HAS ACCESS OVER THE FAIR HOUSING AND FAIR HOUSING AMENDMENTS ACT ALSO PROTECTS DISABLED PERSONS FROM DISCRIMINATION IN ACCESS TO HOMES AND THE USE OF ENJOYMENT OF THEIR HOMES.
AS DOES ARIZONA LAW, 41 14 91 POINT 19, THE COUNTY AND STATE FUNDED SPECIALLY CONSTRUCTED SPECIALIZED HOMES FOR THESE DISABLED PEOPLE AS A DISABLED ACCOMMODATION APPROVING.
THIS WIRELESS FACILITY WOULD BLOCK THESE INDIVIDUALS ACCESS TO THE USE AND ENJOYMENT OF THEIR SPECIALLY CONSTRUCTED PUBLICLY FUNDED HOMES BUILT FOR PEOPLE LIKE THEM.
THIS WOULD DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THEM BY PROVING THIS WIRELESS FACILITY.
THE COUNTY WOULD ALSO IN EFFECT BE REDLINING THIS AREA.
AND ITS SPECIALLY BUILT ACCESSIBLE HOMES AND EFFECTIVELY EVICTING THESE KNOWN DISABLED PERSONS FROM THEIR HOMES, FROM WHO FOR WHOM THEY WERE BUILT.
UM, THE FAIR HOUSING AMENDMENTS ACT IS VERY SPECIFIC.
WE'RE NOW AT THE THREE MINUTE MARK.
WHAT IT ENTAIL, PLEASE DENY THIS PROJECT ON THIS BASIS.
WE'RE NOW GONNA MOVE TO SHARON GOLDMAN
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ONLINE.CAN YOU SEE AND HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I URGE YOU TO DENY THE CELL TOWER APPLICATION AT THE INTERSECTION OF CONCHO HIGHWAY AND WHITE ANTELOPE.
THIS DECISION WILL PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY FROM SIGNIFICANT HARM.
WHILE PRESENTING NO MEASURABLE LOSS FOR VERIZON, LET'S FIRST CONSIDER VERIZON SCALE WITH 114 MILLION CUSTOMERS AND 134 BILLION IN REVENUE LAST YEAR.
VERIZON IS ONE OF THE LARGEST TELECOMMUNICATION COMPANIES IN THE WORLD.
THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF SNOWFLAKE IS AROUND 6,600 PEOPLE.
EVEN IF EVERY RESIDENT HERE WERE A VERIZON CUSTOMER, WHICH WE KNOW IS NOT THE CASE, WE WOULD STILL REPRESENT A MERE 0.005% OF THEIR CUSTOMER BASE ON THIS RURAL ROAD.
THE NUMBER OF IMPACTED USERS SHRINKS FURTHER LIKELY TO JUST A FEW HUNDRED.
A TOWER AT THIS LOCATION SIMPLY ISN'T CRITICAL TO VERIZON'S OP OPERATIONS OR BOTTOM LINE.
CONTRAST THAT WITH THE DEVASTATING IMPACT THE TOWER WILL HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
RESEARCH SHOWS THAT CELL TOWERS CAN EXPERIENCE PROPERTY VALUE DECLINES OF UP TO 20% IN AREAS THAT ARE MORE URBAN AND NOT LIKE SNOWFLAKE'S UNIQUE POPULATION.
LIKE YOU'VE HEARD OTHERS TESTIFY, UM, THAT DECREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES IS IT'S NOT JUST A NUMBER, IT'S A LOSS OF LIFETIME OF HARD WORK SAVINGS AND FUTURE FINANCIAL SECURITY.
IT WOULD TURN THE AMERICAN DREAM INTO A NIGHTMARE.
THEY CAN STRENGTHEN THEIR EXISTING TOWERS, RELY ON SHARED INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS OFF-NET, UM, OR THE ALREADY APPROVED CELL PHONE TOWER SITES AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE MENTIONED BY OTHER, BY OTHERS.
THESE OPTIONS WOULD ENHANCE COVERAGE WITHOUT ADDING, UM, UNNECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE EXISTING NETWORK CAN SERVE SNOWFLAKE'S NEEDS WITHOUT FORCING OUR COMMUNITY TO SACRIFICE ITS PROPERTY VALUES AND CHARACTER FOR REDUNDANT INSTALLATION.
LET'S BE CLEAR, DENYING THIS APPLICATION WOULD HAVE NO MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON VERIZON'S FINANCIAL HEALTH OR SERVICE DELIVERY.
BUT APPROVING IT WOULD IMPOSE LASTING DAMAGE ON SNOWFLAKE'S RESIDENTS.
THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
VERIZON DOESN'T NEED THIS TOWER, BUT WE CAN AFFORD ITS CONSEQUENCES.
I URGE YOU TO PRIORITIZE THE WELLBEING OF SNOWFLAKE CITIZENS OVER THE MARGINAL INTERESTS OF A CORPORATE GIANT.
UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK MY, I LIVE AT 86 75 HAN TRAIL, WHICH IS ABOUT THREE MILES NORTH OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THIS CELL TOWER.
UM, I WON'T REPEAT SEVERAL OF THE THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES AND SO ON AND COVERAGE AND ALL THAT, BUT, UM, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO MENTION THAT IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, MANY OF US ARE, UH, UP THERE IN AGE.
AND, UM, I WAS FORTUNATE, UH, THAT MY FAMILY HELPED ME, UH, PURCHASE MY SPECIALLY CONSTRUCTED HOME AND HERE IN, UH, 20, 20 17.
AND, UM, I PLAN TO, UH, AGE HERE IN PLACE AS LONG AS, AS I'M ABLE, AND MANY OF US DUE TO OUR SENSITIVITIES ARE NOT ABLE TO TRANSITION INTO, UH, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES OR REST OR, UH, NURSING HOMES.
UH, AND SO THIS, UH, LOSS OF OUR HOMES HERE WOULD BE QUITE DEVASTATING AND, AND PROBABLY WOULD.
WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO RESORT TO, UH, BEING HOMELESS OR LIVING IN OUR VEHICLES OR IMPOSING ON FAMILY MEMBERS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND SO I URGE YOU TO, UM, DENY THIS, UH, CELL TOWER PERMIT, UM, FOR ALL THE OTHER REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED BY OTHER PEOPLE.
AND, UM, LET'S SEE, UH, UH, I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT ALL I WANNA SAY.
AND, AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, CONSIDERING OUR NEEDS AND I
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URGE YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR HUMAN BEINGS THAT ARE INVOLVED.THANK YOU SO MUCH, UM, FOR LETTING ME PROVIDE SOME TESTIMONY.
I AM VICKI CASINO AND I REPRESENT A COUPLE OF STATEWIDE DISABILITY ORGANIZATIONS AND KNOW A COUPLE OF THE RESIDENTS LIVING IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
I ALSO OPERATE A CENTER FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA THAT HAS BEEN SEEING A GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE WITH ELECTRICAL SENSITIVITIES AND ENVIRONMENTAL ILLNESSES THAT ARE SEEKING AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE HOUSING AND WOULD BE WILLING TO RELOCATE IF THERE WERE SOMEWHERE SAFE FOR THEM TO MOVE.
AND, UM, EVEN RECENTLY, A COUPLE HAD HEARD ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES LIVING THERE WHO LIVE IN AFFORDABLE, SPECIALLY CONSTRUCTED HOUSING TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR DISABILITIES.
SOME OF THOSE WERE PAID FOR WITH PUBLIC FUNDS SPECIFICALLY TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR DISABILITIES, AND THEN OTHERS WHO INVESTED THEIR OWN MONEY.
SO IT'S ALARMING TO LEARN THAT THIS SMALL SAFE HAVEN FOR PEOPLE WITH ELECTRICAL SENSITIVITIES AND ENVIRONMENTAL ILLNESS IS IN JEOPARDY.
UM, I I DON'T WANNA REPEAT THINGS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID, AND I THINK THE RESIDENTS THERE HAVE SPOKEN VERY ELOQUENTLY, UM, AND TRUTHFULLY ABOUT THEIR NEEDS.
UM, BUT I DID WANNA MENTION A COUPLE PEOPLE BROUGHT UP THE FCC AND WHEN THEY DEVELOPED, UM, THEIR GUIDELINES AND THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN, UM, UP UPDATED SINCE 1996.
AND I JUST WANNA CALL ATTENTION TO A LAWSUIT THAT WAS FILED, UM, BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH TRUST AND THE CHILDREN'S HEALTH DEFENSE, UM, IN 2020.
AND THERE WAS A US COURT OF APPEALS RULING IN THEIR FAVOR SAYING THAT THE FCC IGNORED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE AND, UH, FAILED TO PROVIDE A REASONABLE EXPLANATION FOR ITS 1996 DETERMINATION OF, UM, OR, OR NOT UPDATING THE 1996 REGULATIONS.
AND, UM, A LOT OF RESEARCH OFTEN FOCUSES ON CANCER.
BUT WHAT WAS FOUND IN THIS COURT CASE IS THAT THE FCC DID NOT PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF PROPERLY EXAMINING, UM, UH, NON-CANCER HARM, SUCH AS IMPACTS TO CHILDREN TESTIMONY PROVIDED BY PERSONS WHO HAVE BEEN INJURED BY WIRELESS RADIATION IMPACTS TO DEVELOPING BRAIN IMPACTS TO THE REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM AND IMPACTS TO WILDLIFE AND THE ENVIRONMENT.
UM, AND, AND SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DENY THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE APPROVING THE FACILITY REALLY PRIORITIZES BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY ON THE BACKS OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND IS AKIN TO REDLINING DISABLED PEOPLE WHO REALLY DESPERATELY NEED THE ACCESSIBILITY AND SAFETY THAT THEIR COMMUNITY CURRENTLY PROVIDES.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA TRY ONE MORE TIME AND SEE IF MICHELLE'S THERE.
ARE YOU SEEING HER, MELISSA? NO, WE'VE ALREADY, YEAH, SO IT WOULD APPEAR THAT SHE'S NOT ABLE TO BE WITH US.
WAS THERE ANY OTHER SLIPS? WAS THERE ALL THE SLIPS I HAVE.
SO IF THAT'S ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, WE HAVE HERE, THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION ON THE MATTER.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WITH COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR, THANK YOU CHAIR.
I WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR DECORUM FOR THE EFFORT THEY PUT FORTH IN RESEARCH AND THE THINGS THAT THEY SHARED WITH THE, THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND FOR THE PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD TODAY THAT HELP
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ME IN MY DECISION HERE, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO, I REALLY LIKE THE POINT OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS, THE CIVIL RIGHTS AND THE DISABILITY ACT.I THINK THAT SPEAKS VERY HIGHLY THAT THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS CANNOT COME IN AND OVERRIDE, UH, THAT ACT.
I ALSO LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE POTENTIAL THAT IT COULD HAVE ON THIS RESIDENCE OF THIS COMMUNITY.
I LOOK AT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY AND THE WELFARE THAT IT WOULD OPPOSE UPON SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE IMMUNITY DEFICIENCIES.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WORKED TOGETHER AS WELL AS WITH THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE A SAFE HAVEN FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
AND I DON'T HAVE, UH, AN UNDERSTANDING IF BEFORE ME, I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED WHETHER 72.01 AND 25 21 MADE AN EXCLUSION OR MADE A RESTRICTION THAT WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THESE TYPE OF, UH, CELL TOWERS OR ELECTRONICAL DEVICES THAT WOULD AFFECT THEIR WELLBEING AND THEIR SAFETY.
AND I THINK IT WAS WISE IN THE PRIOR COUNCIL WHO, WHO TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I ALSO LOOK AT THE, UH, BLACK MESA TOWER HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED YET, AS WELL AS THE SNOWFLAKE HEIGHTS TOWER BEING IMPROVED.
AND I THINK IF THOSE WERE UP AND RUNNING, I THINK IT WOULD BE MAYBE PREMATURE TO APPROVE THIS.
UH, UNTIL WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT'S AT.
I THINK WE'VE MADE, UH, POINTS THAT THERE'S OTHER AREAS WITHIN OUR STATE AND COUNTY THAT ARE IN NEED OF, UH, SELF SERVICE AS MUCH AS WHAT THE APPLICANT FEELS THAT THIS AREA IS IN NEED OF.
AND SO, BASED UPON THOSE THINGS, UH, I DO HAVE A HARD TIME, UH, VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS, UH, APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE.
SO THERE WERE SOME, SOME LEGAL ISSUES THAT WERE WERE RAISED, UM, TALKING ABOUT A DA AND SOME OTHER THINGS.
UH, MR. CARLINE, DO YOU MIND RESPONDING TO SOME OF THOSE? I CAN START OFF WITH A LITTLE BIT OF RESPONSE REGARDLESS, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHICH WAY THE BOARD DECIDES TO GO, UH, SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE, BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE IS AN AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT ISSUE, WHICH ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
REGARDLESS OF THE DIRECTION THAT THIS BOARD DECIDES TO GO TO PROTECT AND CREATE A RECORD FOR APPELLATE REVIEW, I BELIEVE THERE'S FOUR AREAS THAT YOU'LL NEED TO ADDRESS IN YOUR DISCUSSION FOR THE RECORD.
UH, THE FIRST ONE MORE DEPENDS ON WHICH WAY THE BOARD DECIDES TO GO.
THE BOARD NEEDS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT ANY ADVERSE DECISION IS NOT THE PRODUCT OF DISCRIMINATION.
SO THAT WILL BE MORE IF YOU WERE TO DECIDE TO ALLOW THE TOWER TO GO.
BUT IT'S AN, IT IS ONE OF THE FOUR AREAS THAT I BELIEVE THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS.
THE SECOND AREA IS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THE PERSONS, OR IN THIS CASE, THE PEOPLE ASSERTING PROTECTION UNDER THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT, ARE IN FACT A PERSON PROTECTED UNDER THAT STATUTE.
THIRD, YOU NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO THE REASONABLENESS AND THE NECESSITY OF A REQUESTED ACCOMMODATION.
IN THIS CASE, UH, THEIR REQUESTED ACCOMMODATION IS TO DENY THE CELL PHONE TOWER.
SO YOU WILL NEED TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION WHETHER THAT IS A REASONABLE AND A NECESSARY ACCOMMODATION THAT SHOULD BE GRANTED.
FOURTH, UM, YOU NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER THE REQUESTED RELIEF WOULD MAKE A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN THE SCHEME OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR AREAS THAT YOU'LL NEED TO ADDRESS.
ARE YOU, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE NOT READY TO ADDRESS THEM, YOU CAN HAVE STAFF ADDRESS THEM AND BRING BACK A REPORT ON THOSE FOUR AREAS.
OR THE BOARD CAN TRY TO ADDRESS THEM THEMSELVES.
BUT THOSE WILL BE THE AREAS THAT WILL BE LOOKED AT ON A JUDICIAL REVIEW UNDER THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT, WHICH EITHER SIDE COULD BRING, DEPENDING ON WHICH DECISION THIS BOARD MAKES TODAY.
AND JUST MY LAST COMMENT, DROPPING 200 PLUS PAGES OF LEGAL STUFF ON OUR OFFICE WITH BASICALLY 24 HOURS OF WORKDAY JUST ISN'T GOOD.
WE DID NOT HAVE A, I HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH ALL OF IT.
I DID ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, DID A QUICK LOOK AT THE CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUES.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HAS ANY BASIS.
THE AADA A IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A POTENTIAL BASIS.
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UH, BUT ONCE AGAIN, I HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH ALL 200 PAGES IN DEPTH, UH, BECAUSE I HAVE LESS THAN 24 HOURS OF WORK TIME.ACTUALLY LESS THAN EIGHT HOURS OF WORK TIME.
BRAD, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD.
UM, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR.
I THINK THAT THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE THE COMMUNITY'S DISABILITIES NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, UM, THAT THEY HAVE MOVED HERE, UM, EX EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
UM, AND THIS IS A UNIQUE ENVIRONMENT THAT IS NOT, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE SEE THROUGHOUT THE NATION OR THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
UM, AND SO I BELIEVE THAT THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN WE ARE MAKING A DECISION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR FEELS, BUT I FEEL, UH, THAT WE SHOULD TABLE, UM, FOR THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS OR FOR THE FOLLOW UP ON THOSE FOUR POINTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR FEELS THAT WE CAN, AND I REFER TO SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR AS HIS, HIS DISTRICT AND BEING ABLE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT.
BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT IN BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE US INFORMATION SPECIFICALLY ON THOSE FOUR REQUIREMENTS, UM, IF WE WERE TO GO TO LITIGATION, JUST CLARIFICATION, IT'S IN SUPERVISOR WHITE INC'S DISTRICT, I BELIEVE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SUPERVISOR? AL? THANK YOU.
UM, I, AS I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, RECEPTIONS THAT DIFFERENT CELL PHONES HAVE DIFFERENT AREAS OF RECEPTION AND THEN ALSO THAT, UM, ONE INDIVIDUAL INFORMED US THAT HE, HE DRIVES THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME AND HE DOESN'T GET CUT OUT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT THERE IS RECEPTION AND THERE IS STILL ANOTHER TOWER THAT NEEDS TO GO UP AND WHERE THAT WILL COVER.
I DON'T RECALL IF WE WERE SHOWN WHERE THAT WOULD BE, THAT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD COVER.
SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HOLD OFF ON THIS AS, UM, PER OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, UM, REQUESTS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS SO WE HAVE A CONSIDERATION TO TABLE? UM, I'M, I'M GONNA, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS I WANNA MAKE.
THANK YOU FOR THOSE THAT TOOK THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO COME AND SPEAK BOTH THOSE FOUR AND, AND THOSE THAT ARE AGAINST.
UM, IT'S MY EXPERIENCE THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD REQUESTED LAST TIME THAT HAS BEEN MET, MEANING PEOPLE ARE GONE LISTEN TO THE THINGS THAT WE'D ASKED TO KIND OF REVIEW AND LOOK AT.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO DO THAT.
SO TO SIMPLIFY, FOR ME, WE HAVE A, WE, WE HAVE A LANDOWNER THAT HAS RIGHTS TO THEIR LAND THAT IS SAYING, HEY, I WANNA PUT A CELL PHONE TOWER ON IT.
AND THEY HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND PUT IT ON THAT LAND.
WE HAVE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WOULD IMPACT THEM AND THEY HAVE CONCERNS AROUND THAT AND THEY'VE EXPRESSED THAT HERE TODAY.
AND THOSE TWO THINGS LIE IN CONFLICT THAT OFTEN HAPPENS IS IT COMES BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS IT COMES BEFORE US.
WE'RE ABLE THEN TO LOOK AT AND WEIGH AND CONSIDER SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT REALLY WHAT WE COME BACK TO IS LOOKING A LOT AT THE, WHAT ARE OUR ORDINANCES AROUND THOSE THINGS.
BECAUSE WHEN SOMEBODY GOES AND BUYS A HOME OR BUYS A PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCES THAT ARE AROUND THOSE PROPERTIES.
SO WHATEVER QUALITY OF LIFE THAT YOU'RE WANTING OR HOPING FOR THAT THE ORDINANCES ARE ACTUALLY ALLOWING FOR THAT.
AND WITHIN THE RADIUS THAT YOU'RE HOPING TO HAVE THAT OCCUR.
UH, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU TODAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THIS BIG PICTURE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WHERE IT'S GOING AS FAR AS, UH, TABLING IT BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE ITEMS THAT WE'RE ADDRESSED.
BUT I THINK IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO GO SOMETHING THAT WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER AS A BOARD LOOKING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BECAUSE THIS GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS HAS GOTTEN MONEY TO TRY AND CREATE THESE HOMES TO HAVE A LIFESTYLE THAT THEY WANT.
AND THEIR INTENT THAT'S VERY OBVIOUS IS THAT THEY HAVE SOME PROTECTIONS AND QUALITY OF LIFE TO LIVE THERE.
ONE THING THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS KIND OF MISSING IN THIS EQUATION IS WHILE YOU'VE DONE THAT, YOU DON'T OWN ALL THE PROPERTY THAT'S AROUND YOU, WHICH CREATES THE POSSIBILITY OF OTHER THINGS COMING IN THAT COULD IMPACT THAT WAY OF LIFE THAT YOU'VE MADE THESE INVESTMENTS IN.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT FOR YOU EITHER,
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BUT THAT'S CURRENTLY AT PLAY.WHEN YOU DON'T OWN THAT LAND, THAT'S ALL AROUND YOU, THOSE OTHER LANDOWNERS HAVE RIGHTS AS WELL.
IT MIGHT NEED TO BE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING AS WELL.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER.
THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO LOOK AT SOME TYPE OF AN ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER THAT WOULD CREATE WHAT WAS INTENDED, WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THESE PEOPLE.
BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE, EVEN IF THIS ENDS UP BEING WHERE IT'S VOTED IS KNOWN, IT'S BEING, IT'S LOOKED AT BEING TABLED RIGHT NOW, I STILL DON'T SEE THAT.
IT GIVES YOU THE PROTECTIONS THAT YOU'RE WANTING.
THE REALITY IS THAT SOMEBODY COULD GO AND BUILD ON THE, THAT LAND THAT THEY OWN AND HAVE RIGHTS TO JUST LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHTS TO AND IMPACT THAT.
AND NOW WE'RE IN CONFLICT BECAUSE THEY WENT AND LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCE, THEY SAW THAT THEY MET THE QUAL THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE ORDINANCE.
SO NOW THEY CAN GO AND THEY HAVE THOSE RIGHTS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO GO AND DO THAT.
SO WE MAY, MY MY THOUGHTS AROUND ALL THIS AS WELL IS IT NEEDS, WE MIGHT NEED TO LOOK AT SOME, SOME TYPE OF AN ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO IF THE INTENT IS TO PROTECT THESE PEOPLE, UM, WITH WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE HOPING FOR.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK CURRENTLY WHAT'S IN PLACE ALLOWS FOR THAT OUTCOME.
UM, BUT WE ARE LOOKING, BRAD, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO ADD TO ANYTHING LEGALLY THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERING BEYOND WHAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT? IF, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BOARD IS GOING TO TABLE THIS AND DIRECT STAFF TO ADDRESS THOSE FOUR ISSUES, UH, THAT ARE NECESSARY UNDER THE A DA WITH LAND USE LAW.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THEY'LL BE WORKING WITH BRENT AND I, WE WILL MAKE SURE IT'S COVERED.
UH, BEFORE IT GETS BACK TO THE BOARD, I I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US LOOK AT IS THERE, IS THERE A TOOL OR A MECHANISM THAT ALLOWS THE OUTCOME? AND THAT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE LONGER, BUT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THE 10 YEAR REVIEW.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE BOARD CAN DIRECT STAFF TO LOOK AT AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE EITHER UNDER THE CURRENT, UH, EXAMINATIONS THAT ARE UNDERGOING ARE SEPARATE TO ADDRESS ISSUES, UH, LIKE THIS WITH PEOPLE WITH THESE TYPE OF DISABILITIES OR EVEN OTHER DISABILITIES.
I'D LIKE TO DIRECT STAFF TO DO THAT AND REPORT BACK.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A FORMAL MOTION TO TABLE.
YOU CAN JUST MOVE IT TABLE IT.
SO THEN UNLESS THERE'S, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT AFTER WE DO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, IF I MAY HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE.
YEAH, I, I WE WILL END UP JUST, UM, CODY, THERE IS ONE PART THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF AS A BOARD.
CODY, DO YOU MIND COMING FORWARD IF, IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, DO YOU MIND EXPLAINING THE SHOT CLOCK OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THAT, UH, BEFORE CODY SPEAKS? UM, ACTUALLY THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES AFTER TALKING WITH MELISSA THAT I'LL ASK YOU TO SPECIFY A DATE TO BRING THIS BACK.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE WE'LL NEED TO GO THROUGH PUBLICATION AGAIN.
AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DO THAT AND HAVE THAT EXTRA DELAY.
SO WE'LL NEED TO ADD THAT TOO WHEN WE WANT TO COME BACK.
CODY, DO YOU MIND EXPLAINING? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS.
UH, SO BASED UPON WHEN WE RECEIVED THIS APPLICATION AND THE F C'S 150 DAY SHOT CLOCK REQUIREMENT, UH, THE SHOT CLOCK ITSELF WOULD EXPIRE ON THE 28TH OF NOVEMBER.
UM, SO IF A DECISION IS NOT RENDERED BY THAT POINT IN TIME, THEN THE REGULATIONS OF THE TELECOMMUNICATION ACT, TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT DEEMED THE APPLICATION, UH, APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY WITHOUT ACTION FROM THE BOARD.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? WE DO NEED TO HAVE A DATE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING JUST CLARIFICATION IF WE TABLE THIS BUT DON'T TAKE AN ACT, THEN IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE APPROVED ACCORDING TO THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE THERE WITH THE FCC, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED APPROVED WITHOUT ACTION? CORRECT.
CLARIFYING QUESTION FOR ME, IT'S ON THEIR PART, WE WILL HAVE CONSIDERED IT APPROVED, BUT THE FCC WOULD CONSIDER IT APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD.
IS THAT CORRECT MR. CHAIRMAN? THAT IS CORRECT.
THEY WOULD DEEM IT APPROVED AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
ANY CHALLENGING OR CONTESTING TO THAT WOULD BE OUT OF THE, THE PURVIEW OF LIKE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, AS FAR AS THE VALIDITY OF THAT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS NOW, I'M CURIOUS TOO.
LET'S SAY THAT WE, WE VOTED TO TURN IT DOWN TODAY.
WHAT HAPPENS FROM THAT POINT WITH THE FCC? I BELIEVE AT THAT POINT YOU HAVE 30 DAYS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
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30 DAYS TO PUT OUT A WRITTEN DETERMINATION AS TO HOW THE, THE REASONS FOR DENIAL WERE REACHED.UH, AND THEN, UH, IF THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANY HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT, THEY, THEY COULD FILE SUIT.
UM, IF THEY DEEMED THAT THE, THE REASONS FOR DENIAL WERE, WERE NOT SUITABLE AND DIDN'T MEET THE THRESHOLD OF THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT.
UM, BUT THE BOARD WOULD'VE 30 DAYS TO GET THAT DETERMINATION OUT AS TO HOW THEY CAME TO THAT DECISION TO BE ABLE TO DO.
WE NEED A DATE ASSOCIATED WITH WHEN WE WANT TO HAVE IT BROUGHT BACK.
WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED BETWEEN THAT TIME.
WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING OR WE, UH, CHAIR COULD WE, OR WE COULD DENY THIS AND THEN GIVE STAFF, UH, TIME TO COME UP WITH THOSE FOUR ITEMS. UH, TRY TO REACH THAT THRESHOLD, UH, THAT WE, UH, WE HAD DENIED IT UNDER AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR TIMEFRAME TO ISSUE THE DENIAL.
IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO, THEN IT WOULD STILL DEFAULT AND GO AS APPROVED.
YEAH, LEGAL, PLEASE SHARE THIS, BRAD.
I I WOULD REPHRASE HOW WE'RE DOING THAT, UM, BY STILL DOING THE SAME THING THAT THE BOARD WILL MAKE A MOTION TO EITHER APPROVE OR DENY, WHICHEVER, WHICHEVER IT MAY BE.
AND A PART OF THAT MOTION WOULD BE FOR STAFF WITH, TO ISSUE A WRITTEN FINDINGS OF FACT TO SUPPORT THE DECISION BASED UPON SOME OF THE TESTIMONY OR STATEMENTS MADE BY THE BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, AND, AND, AND YOU'VE COVERED SOME OF THOSE AREAS.
UM, I, I MAY INTERVENE AND SUGGEST SOME OTHER THINGS IF YOU GO FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION.
BUT PROBABLY ALSO A PART OF THAT MOTION WOULD BE THAT THE, UH, THAT YOU AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN IT THAT WAY IT IS BEING ADOPTED BY THE BOARD EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT A FULL BOARD, UH, VOTE UPON IT.
SO YOU'RE DELEGATING THAT AUTHORITY TO THE CHAIRMAN.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO CHIME UP IF I THINK WE'RE LACKING SOMETHING AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR? IT DOES.
WHAT IS THE WISH OF THE BOARD AND CHAIR? I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY THIS, UH, REQUEST AT THIS TIME.
UH, BASED UPON THE TESTIMONY THAT WE'VE HEARD AND THE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN SUPPLIED TO US AND DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A WRITTEN STATEMENT, UH, CONCERNING OUR FINDINGS OF FACT THAT WE HAVE FOUND AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO ASSIGN THE DOCUMENT THAT IS THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED, I WOULD SAY, UH, DELEGATE TO THE CHAIRMAN, THE ABILITY TO REVIEW AND SIGN AND AMEND THAT TO DELEGATE THE CHAIR TO REVIEW AND SIGN.
AND CODY, DO YOU WANT THAT WRITTEN REPORT ISSUED BEFORE THAT 150 DAY DEADLINE? UH, YES.
MR. CARLISLE, THAT WOULD BE PREFERRED.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE? UM, I'M HOPING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION.
UH, IF NOT, I'LL START ADDING SOME THINGS TO IT.
WHICHEVER WAY YOU WISH TO PROCEED, YOU CAN EITHER HAVE ME TALK OR YOU GUYS TALK FIRST.
IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE BRAD SHARE SOME OF THE LEGAL ITEMS? I DON'T.
UM, I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER THEY FOUND THAT THERE WILL NOT BE A SUBSTANTIAL GAP IN SERVICES WITHIN THE AREA.
THIS IS ONE OF THE FCC ITEMS AND A SECOND THAT THE, UH, APPLICANTS HAVE NOT PROVED THAT THIS IS THE LEAST INTRUSIVE METHOD IN WHICH TO RESOLVE ANY GAPS IN SERVICES.
UM,
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AND, UM, THAT YOU HAVE DIRECTED THE STAFF TO ADDRESS THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT ISSUES.AND THAT YOU HAVE MADE A DETERMINATION THAT ONE OR MORE PEOPLE IN THE AREA, UH, FALL WITHIN THE PROTECTED CLASS UNDER THE A DA STAFF WILL FLUSH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND THAT, UH, THEIR REQUEST TO NOT HAVE A TOWER IN THE AREA IS A REASONABLE AND NECESSARY ACCOMMODATION GIVEN THEIR DISABILITIES.
AND I HOPE YOU DON'T WANT ME TO REPEAT THAT AGAIN,
SO INSIDE OF THIS, UM, AS PART OF THE DENIAL WE SHOULD INCLUDE IN IT, WHICH WAS DEMONSTRATED AND SHARED BY SEVERAL REALTORS, THE SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY VALUE IMPACT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE KEY TO IT, AS WELL AS DIRECTING STAFF TO GO AND VERIFY WHETHER IT MEETS A DA 'CAUSE.
SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE DIDN'T HAVE ANSWERS TO.
THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE HAVE TESTIFIED OR GAVE, UH, STATEMENTS THAT THEY HAVE A DISABILITY AND RECEIVING DISABILITY PAYMENTS, DISABILITY HOUSING BASED UPON THE DISABILITIES ARE IMPACTED BY THE TOWERS.
AND THAT GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE DISABILITIES, THAT UH, DENYING A TOWER IN THIS AREA IS A REASONABLE AND NECESSARY ACCOMMODATION FOR THEIR DISABILITIES.
AND ONCE AGAIN, STAFF WORKING WITH LEGAL COUNSEL CAN FLUSH THOSE ISSUES OUT MORE IN THE WRITTEN REPORT, WHICH IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THE FCC WOULD APPRECIATE TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WERE, UH, DENYING THE CELL TOWER.
AND IT MAKES ME FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IN CASE, UH, THE PEOPLE CHALLENGED THE BOARD'S DECISION.
WE'LL HAVE A RECORD FOR THE COURT TO LOOK AT.
YEAH, I THINK THERE'S SEVERAL LETTERS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THEIR, UH, DOCTOR'S REPORTS AS WELL AND, AND SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT, THAT HAVE STATED THAT THEY ARE, UH, ON DISABILITY AS WELL AS HAVING, UH, THOSE DEFICIENCIES, IMMUNE DEFICIENCIES AS WELL.
SO I THINK THAT'S BEEN FAIRLY WELL DOCUMENTED HERE AS WELL.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE YOU'RE NOT DENYING IT BECAUSE OF HEALTH CONCERNS WITH THE FCC SAYS YOU SHOULDN'T.
YOU'RE DOING IT ON AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT, UH, WITH, UH, ONE OR MORE PEOPLE FALLING WITHIN A DIS DISABILITY PROTECTED BY THE A DA AND THAT THIS IS A REASONABLE AND NECESSARY ACCOMMODATION UNDER THE A DA FOR THEM.
BUT I AGREE OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL.
I FEEL ON THE COVERAGE ISSUE THAT WE DO HAVE, UH, TESTIMONY OF PEOPLE THAT FEEL THAT THEY DO HAVE COVERAGE IN THAT AREA, BUT WE DO HAVE THE ONE COMMERCIAL PERSON WHO'S GIVEN TESTIMONY THAT HE DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE, UH, INCREASE OF SERVICE AS WELL AS WE HAVE TESTIMONY THAT THERE'S STILL TWO OTHER TOWERS, UH, THAT ARE APPROVED THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE COVERAGE IN THIS AREA FOR THE, THE GOOD, BUT WILL NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS AND THE PROPER VALUES.
DO YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED? AND I, I BELIEVE WE DO.
WE, WE'LL FLUSH IT ALL OUT MORE IN THE WRITTEN REPORT WORKING WITH CODY AND, AND LEGAL STAFF.
AND I FEEL THEN GOING FORWARD WE NEED TO DIRECT, YOU SAID YOU ALREADY DIRECTED STAFF ON THE OTHER MATTER.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE US? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME AND BEING WITH US TODAY.
WE KNOW THAT THAT WAS A LENGTHY ITEM, BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, SO APPRECIATE IT.
WE KNOW SOME ARE GONNA BE EXITING.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON NOW TO ITEM UH, B.
IT'S ALSO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL LET EVERYBODY THAT'S WANTING TO LEAVE LEAVE.
YOU KNOW, I TAKE A QUICK BATHROOM BREAK.
YEAH, I, I GOTTA A QUICK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES TO ALLOW SOME PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE THE RESTROOM.
WHY DON'T WE DO THAT HERE REAL QUICK? I KNOW.
ARE YOU GOOD? ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, I THINK WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
WE STILL HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS, SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED HERE.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND
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AND WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY JUMP TO SOME OF THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION HEARINGS.UM, WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE HERE, AND SO WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO, I, UM, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
WE NEED TO MOVE A MOTION TO MOVE INTO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
WE'RE NOW ON THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
WE'RE GONNA START OFF GOING TO THE ONE THAT'S, UH,
[c. 11:45 AM Discussion and action regarding Petition for Review of Notice of Change APN 103-01-020; Swearing in of Assessor, Appraisers and Petitioners.]
DISCUSSION AND ACTION REGARDING PETITION REVIEW OF NOTICE OF CHANGE, A PN 1 0 3 DASH ONE DASH TWO ZERO.AND WE NEED TO DO THE SWEARING IN.
AND MELISSA, UM, MR. OEL GONNA SWEAR IN, BUT HE'S GONNA SIT THERE.
JUST, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND UP.
YOU DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD.
SO, PETITIONER, UM, STATE'S REASON FOR PETITION AND WE, I THINK IF YOU LET HER SPEAK, I THINK WE'VE GOT TAKEN CARE.
UM, PURSUANT TO YOUR NOTICE OF SCHEDULED HEARING DATE, THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS PRESENTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
WE HAVE A VACANT 30.89 ACRE PARCEL OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMIT BOUNDARY OF WINSLOW.
THE VALUE DETERMINATION WAS, UH, MARKET USING MARKET OF SIMILAR PROPERTIES IN THE SAME AREA.
THE PETITIONER'S BASIS IS THAT THE PROPERTY IS USED AGRICULTURALLY.
UM, THE ASSESSOR DATA SHOWS THAT THE PREVIOUS, UH, VALUATION WAS AN AGRICULTURAL REDUCTION DUE TO ITS USE FOR GRAZING.
THE PARCEL WAS REMOVED WHEN A DEED WAS RECORDED, CHANGING THE OWNERSHIP AND PURSUANT TO THE ARIZONA REVISED STATUTE DOWN THERE.
IF IT CHANGES, THE NEW OWNER MUST FILE A NEW APPLICATION.
SO WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE APPLICATION, UM, REMOVED IT FROM ITS VALUATION, PUT IT ON MARKET VALUE.
UM, DIDN'T RECEIVE THE APPLICATION YET, BUT WE SPOKE WITH THE PETITIONER, UH, JUST A BIT AGO.
AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SAY IS, UH, WITHOUT RECEIVING THE DOCUMENTATION, AT THIS POINT, WE REQUEST TO DENY, BUT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IF THE OWNERS FILE THE APPLICATION, UH, BY JUNE 1ST, UH, THAT IT WOULD RECEIVE THE REDUCTION IN VALUE FOR ITS USE.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IT'S JUST WE CANNOT OVERRIDE WHAT YOU DO, SIR.
I NEED YOU, WHEN YOU DO IT, SAY WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THEY'RE GONNA FILE THE APPLICATION AND THEN THEY WILL FILE THE APP.
THEY'VE GOT THE APPLICATION, THEY'RE GONNA FILE IT AND EVERYTHING SHOULD BE FINE.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED? IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE COME TO AN AGREEMENT, BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO FORMALIZE THAT.
DO YOU MIND READING THAT? WHAT YOUR PROPOSED MOTION IS? YES.
AND THE BOARD, UH, THAT WE REQUEST TO DENY THE PETITION FOR REVIEW WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE OWNERS MAY FILE THE APPLICATION BY JUNE 1ST, 2025.
PETITIONER, ARE YOU OKAY? I I KNOW YOU'RE WANTING TO STAY IN YOUR SEAT.
YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? SOUNDS LIKE.
SO THERE'S AN AGREEMENT AROUND THAT? YES.
AND THAT'S THE MOTION THAT BOTH SIDES WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
GLAD THAT YOU COULD COME TO RESOLUTION ON THAT TOGETHER.
ALRIGHT, THE SECOND ONE THAT WE'LL GO TO, UM,
[b. 11:30 AM Discussion and action regarding Petition for Review of Notice of Change APN 212-43-064; Swearing in of Assessor, Appraisers and Petitioners.]
IS 2 1 2 DASH FOUR THREE DASH 0 6 4.MR. WEST, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
YOU DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? YES, MA'AM.
UM, I HAVE SOME PAPERWORK HERE.
UH, UH, AND WHO IS THE, UH, UH,
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SUPERVISOR IN, IN LAKESIDE? THAT WOULD BE SUPERVISOR.WHO IS IT? SUPERVISOR WEINGER.
I GOT A NEW ASSESSMENT ON MY PROPERTY UP IN LAKESIDE, AND IT ALMOST DOUBLED FROM LAST YEAR.
AND THAT'S ONE QUESTION THAT I'VE GOT IS, IS HOW CAN IT BE THAT HIGH FROM ONE YEAR TO THE OTHER? THE ASSESSOR MAKES THAT DECISION.
HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO TALK WITH THE ASSESSOR ABOUT IT? UH, I, I SENT SOME PAPERWORK IN AND, AND, UH, UH, MRS. DARRIS SENT A, A FORM BACK, NOT MUCH.
IT SAYS THE STATE ALLOWS US TO RAISE PROPERTY TAXES.
THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I, THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID, BUT YEAH.
BUT AGAIN, I'LL GET, I'LL, I'LL GO OVER WHAT WE WENT OVER.
SO THE INTENT RIGHT NOW, MR. WEST, IS THAT YOU'LL SHARE WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE AND WHY YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT VALID.
THEN WE'LL HAVE, CAN WE COME UP AND EXPLAIN WHY SHE FEELS THAT IT IS VALID? UM, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO COME BACK UP AND THEN AND SPEAK AFTER SHE HAS A CHANCE TO SHARE.
WELL, SO YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST THAT IT'S UNREASONABLE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IT JUMPED TO HIGH? RIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE? FIRST QUESTION, IF THE ASSESS WENT UP, IS THE TAXES GONNA DOUBLE OR CLOSE TO DOUBLE? OKAY.
SHE CAN ADDRESS THAT WHEN SHE COMES UP.
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO COME UP AGAIN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU WANNA MAKE? WELL, UH, YEAH, ON, ON THE, UH, WHY THE VALUE WENT UP AND, AND THE PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE THAT WITH THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, ONE OF 'EM IS THAT IT BACKS UP TO, UH, A LARGE RV PARK, WHICH IS UPHILL.
LAST JUNE, WE HAD FOUR INCHES OF RAIN IN, IN JUNE, AND ALL THAT WATER COME DOWN FROM THE RV PARK AND THEN WASHED OUT A BERM THAT I PUT THERE BECAUSE THEY USED TO HAVE A DITCH ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THEN, SO, UH, THE WATER CAME DOWN AND THEN THE DITCH IS GONE.
SO IT WASHED OUT TO BURN THERE, AND THEN ALSO THE TOP AND WASHED DOWN THE SIDES OF THE PROPERTY AND ALSO INTO MY DRIVEWAY.
SO IT WASHED OUT A BUNCH OF THE, THE, UH, DIRT, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, CINDERS AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT, THAT'S ONE, UH, SITUATION THERE.
AND THAT PROPERTY HOUSE IS ON, UH, UH, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT ON CLAY, AND SO IT'S SETTLING AND THE NEIGHBOR ON THE NORTH, THEY'RE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM.
SO, UH, I THINK THE ASSESSMENT, IF I COULD TALK TO WHOEVER AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHO, WHO MIGHT HAVE DONE THAT AND, AND TALK TO THEM AND, AND TALK ABOUT THE NEGATIVES.
AND THEN THIS LAST JUNE BEFORE WE HAD A BIG WIND THROUGH OFF SENDERS, UH, SHINGLES OFF THE HOUSE AND KNOCKED DOWN A, A, UH, UH, KIND OF A CARPORT THING THAT I HAVE MY, UH, FIREWOOD IN.
UH, AND, AND SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE PROPERTY THAT I, I THINK I COULD TALK TO.
WHOEVER WANTS TO, UH, TAKE AN ASSESSMENT AND SAY, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE CAN'T DOUBLE, YOU KNOW, FROM LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST I DON'T THINK SO, UH, TO NEXT, NEXT PROPERTY TAXES COME IN IS GOING TO BE WHATEVER.
AND SO, UH, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
PLUS THE SITE MAP SENT TO ME FROM PLANTING AND ZONING SHOWS THAT I OWN A 50 BY 165 FOOT OF MCNEIL ROAD RIGHT THERE IN, IN, IN, UH, IN, UH, LAKESIDE.
SO I THOUGHT, WELL, IF THE COUNTY WANTS TO BUY THAT FOR ME, THEY'RE WELCOME TO.
'CAUSE I, I WANT TO GET AWAY, UH, AWAY FROM THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT I HAVE OWNING THAT INDIANAPOLIS 500 STRIP OF MCNEAL THERE.
SO, UH, ANYWAY, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I NEED TO ADDRESS AND, AND WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER THOSE.
WE'LL, NOT, UH, IF YOU'RE FINISHED, WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER.
AND YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO COME BACK IF YOU WANNA TAKE A SEAT.
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OKAY.ON THIS PROPERTY, THE FULL CASH DID NOT CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL NOTICE TO THIS NOTICE OF CHANGE, THE ONLY CHANGE BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL NOTICE, WHICH THEY WERE GIVEN A CHANCE TO APPEAL, AND THE SECONDARY NOTICE IS THE LIMITED VALUE.
THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE IN THE LIMITED VALUE DOUBLING IS THEY WERE QUALIFIED FOR WHAT THEY CALL A SENIOR VALUATION PROTECTION.
AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT FREEZES THE LIMITED VALUE, WHICH IS THE ONLY VALUE WE USE FOR TAX PURPOSES.
SO IT FREEZES THAT LIMITED VALUE.
THEY APPLIED FOR THE SENIOR VALUATION FREEZE IN 2019.
IT'S PART OF THE CONSTITUTION.
IT REQUIRES THAT THEY REAPPLY EVERY THREE YEARS.
THEY REAPPLIED IN 2022, WHICH FROZE IT FOR 23, FOR 22, 23, AND 24.
THEY DID NOT REAPPLY TO HAVE IT CONTINUE FOR 25.
SO WHEN THAT FREEZE WITH THAT PROTECTION WAS THAT FREEZE WAS TAKEN OFF THAT VALUE, IT GOT SIX YEARS OF INCREASES RATHER THAN ONE YEAR.
WE SENT IN YOUR PACKET, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LETTER THAT WAS SENT FEBRUARY 7TH, 2024 AS REQUIRED BY, UM, TO SEND THEM A THING SAYING THAT THEY HAD TO REFILE.
SO WE ASKED, YOU KNOW, SENT HIM A LETTER ASKING HIM TO REFILE.
SO IN AUGUST 2ND, 2024, WE SENT ANOTHER LETTER, AND ON THE TOP OF IT IN RED IT SAYS URGENT FINAL NOTICE.
AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE A RESPONSE THERE.
SO WE SENT ANOTHER LETTER IN SEPTEMBER OF 24 NOTIFYING THAT IT, IT HAD BEEN REMOVED.
I MEAN, THIS IS THE ARIZONA CONSTITUTION, THIS IS THE STATUTES.
I HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO GO BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FILE THIS PAPER.
THE PAPERWORK HAS TO BE FILED FOR THAT FREEZE TO CONTINUE.
SO IT'S NOT A ONE YEAR INCREASE.
IT'S TAKING A PROPERTY THAT FROZE BACK IN 2019 AND THEN FREEZING IN 2024.
THAT THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFERENCE IS.
THE OTHER THINGS HE TALKED ABOUT, THE FULL CASH VALUE HAS NOT CHANGED $1 SINCE THE ORIGINAL NOTICE THAT HE WAS GIVEN A CHANCE TO APPEAL.
SO WHAT WE'RE APPEALING, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE ONLY CHANGE WAS THAT LIMITED VALUE AND THAT WAS DUE TO THE LOSS OF THE VALUE SENIOR VALUATION PROTECTION FREEZE.
TURN THE TIME BACK OVER TO THE PETITIONER.
UM, THE, UH, THE, UH, REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS WAS SO EXTENSIVE I COULDN'T FIND SOME OF IT.
SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T SEND IT IN.
AND I WISH I WOULD HAVE SOMEHOW FOUND THOSE DOCUMENTS WOULD'VE SAVED ME WHATEVER THE INCREASE WAS.
UM, AND THEN, AND THEN THAT, UH, UH, PIECE OF PROPERTY OF MINE THAT GOES INTO MCNEIL STREET 50 FEET BY 165.
UH, AND I MEASURED THAT AND I WONDER IF THE COUNTY COULDN'T JUST PAY ME FOR THAT AND TAKE OVER THAT PIECE OF MCNEIL ROAD.
SO I GET A, A DECISION ON THAT.
WE PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT TODAY AS FAR AS PURCHASING THE LAND OR WHATNOT.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS, THIS HEARING, BUT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, WHAT'S OWED ON THAT AND THE REASONING WHY.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU UNDERSTAND THE PAPERWORK, BUT YOU HAD SOME COMPLICATIONS WITH IT.
AND BEING ABLE TO GET THAT BACK IN.
AND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'VE SHARED WITH US IS, UM, THAT YOU'VE SENT MULTIPLE LETTERS TRYING TO KIND OF WARN THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN ORDER TO TRIGGER THE FREEZE AND KEEP THAT IN THERE.
AND YOU'VE NOT BEEN ABLE, YOU REAPPLY IT, IT'LL JUST FREEZE AT THE, AT THE NEW VALUE.
IT WON'T, IT'LL FREEZE UP THE NEW ONE, BUT IT WON'T GO UP AGAIN.
SO HE CAN, YOU CAN REAPPLY FOR GOING FORWARD.
IT JUST WON'T, IT'LL FREEZE UP THE NEW VALUE.
I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR TO REAPPLY.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN REAPPLY NOW, BUT IT WON'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL NEXT, UNTIL 2026.
ON THE INCREASE IT, THE IN IT'LL FREEZE UP THE INCREASED AMOUNT.
BUT THAT PAPERWORK IS SOMETHING THAT'S ARIZONA CONSTITUTION.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT PAPERWORK.
WELL, UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I NEED TO DISCUSS.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ME,
SO NOW, UM, MR. WEST, WE'LL END UP TALKING AS A, AS A BOARD ABOUT THIS ITEM.
IF, IF YOU'RE WANTING TO STAY AND HEAR WHAT THE BOARD HAS TO SAY AS WE TALK ABOUT IT.
CAN I GET A RESPONSE? YOU, YOU CAN.
THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE GONNA RESPOND RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU GET THE SEAT? IF THEY'RE GONNA ANSWER IT RIGHT NOW.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE MOVE, UM, PETITIONERS, GIVEN THEIR FINAL REBUTTAL, WE'RE
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NOW TO THE DISCUSSION PART FOR THE BOARD.SO ANY ITEMS THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS ON WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AS IT RELATES TO THIS MATTER,
UM, GABBY, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UHHUH
SO IF THE PERSON APPLIES AND THEY HAVE TO APPLY ANNUALLY EVERY THREE YEARS, EVERY THREE YEARS, EVERY THREE YEARS.
AND IF THEY DON'T REAPPLY, THEN THOSE DOLLARS, THEY HAVE TO PAY WHATEVER THE
NO, WE DON'T GO BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THESE BACK THREE YEARS, IT WAS FROZEN FOR SIX YEARS AND IT'S TAKEN FROZEN NOW FOR 25 WE'VE BEEN FROZEN.
SO IN 25, WHEN THE TAX BILL COMES OUT IN SEPTEMBER, THAT NEW VALUE WILL BE REFLECTED.
HE CAN THEN, HE CAN REAPPLY NOW AND THEN WE'LL FREEZE IT AT THAT VALUE AND THEN HE'LL STAY FROZEN FOR AS LONG AS HE DOES THE PAPERWORK.
JUST, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LET'S LET SUPERVISOR WEINGER FINISH YOUR QUESTIONS.
AND THEN VICE CHAIR, GO AHEAD.
YOU'RE GONNA ASK QUESTIONS? YEAH.
SO MY QUESTION IS, SINCE IT'S NOT FROZEN FROM SEPTEMBER AND HE ONLY, HE WILL BE APPLYING IN FEBRUARY, DOES THAT MEAN THE TIME BETWEEN FROM SEPTEMBER 24TH THAT HIS UM, THIS WILL NOT BE FROZEN? THAT HIS UM, SENIOR, IT WILL NOT BE FROZEN UNLESS HE REAPPLIES IT WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP ALONG WITH SIMILAR PROPERTIES AND WITH EVERYONE ELSE IS AROUND UNLESS THE SENIOR FEES IS APPLIED FOR AGAIN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, UH, CHAIR ENTERTAIN A MOTION CHAIRMAN, I MOTION THAT WE FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
ANY VOTE? ANY OPPOSED? VOTE NAY.
MOTION PASSES YOU UNANIMOUSLY.
WELL NOW THEY, THEY CAN'T RESPOND TO THAT RIGHT NOW, SO THAT HAS TO BE, HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COURT REPORT SO THEY CAN'T RESPOND TO, OKAY.
[a. 10:00 AM Discussion and action regarding Petition for Review of Notice of Change APN 206-42-084; Swearing in of Assessor, Appraisers and Petitioners.]
IT'LL BE A PN 2 0 6 4 2 0 8 4.SO DO WE HAVE THE THEY HAVE NOT SHOWN UP.
SO IF THEY'RE NOT HERE THEN, AND KIM'S ALREADY BEEN SWORN IN.
DO YOU WANT TO STATE THE REASON WHAT'S OKAY, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
UM, AND PURSUANT TO YOUR NOTICE OF THE SCHEDULED HEARING DATE, THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS PRESENTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE PINE CREST RV RESORT AND CONSISTS OF A 385 SQUARE FOOT PARK MODEL OWNED BY CAB CO BUILT IN 2013.
THE RESIDENTIAL YARD IMPROVEMENTS CONSISTS OF THE LAND VALUE, ELECTRICAL WATER AND SEWAGE HOOKUPS.
THE 120 SQUARE FOOT STORAGE SHED AND A 527 FOOT COVERED WOOD PORCH BUILT IN 2024.
THE NOTICE OF VALUE, THE SUBJECT HAS A FULL CASH VALUE OF 114,737 AND A LIMITED PROPERTY VALUE OF 79,932.
THE RESIDENTIAL YARD IMPROVEMENT FULL CASH IS 82,542 AND THE LIMITED PROPERTY VALUE IS FORTY SEVEN SEVEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX.
THE 2013 C CO VALUE IS FULL CASH IS 32,196 AND THE LIMITED PROPERTY VALUE IS 30 2001 96.
THE LAND VALUE IS A PART OF THE RESIDENTIAL YARD IMPROVEMENTS AND THE FULL CASH HAS NOT CHANGED AND IT IS AT 16,250.
THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS SUBMITTED THE COST BREAKDOWN FOR THE COVERED WOOD DECK
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OF 44,522.THE OWNER'S OPINION OF THE FULL CASH VALUE IS 65,000 FOR THE RESIDENTIAL YARD IMPROVEMENT PORTION OF THE FULL CASH VALUE.
THE ASSESSOR DATA FOR THE RESIDENTIAL YARD IMPROVEMENT PORTION OF THE FULL CASH VALUE, THE FULL CASH VALUE FOR THE 2024 TAX RULE WAS $33,997.
AND THE FULL CASH VALUE FOR THE 2025 TAX RULE IS 82,542.
WITH THE DIFFERENCE OF 48,544, THE LIMITED PROPERTY VALUE FOR THE 2024 TAX ROLL WAS AT $27,364.
AND THE LIMITED PROPERTY VALUE FOR THE 2025 TAX ROLL WAS AT $47,736.
WITH THE DIFFERENCE OF $20,372, WHICH IS LESS THAN HALF OF THE OWNER'S COST AT 44,522, IT IS THE ASSESSOR'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE FULL CASH SHOULD REMAIN AT THE CURRENT VALUE AS THE LIMITED PROPERTY VALUE IS CALCULATED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ARIZONA REVISED STATUTE AT 42 1 3 3 0 1.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SORRY? ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? JUST TO DOUBLE CHECK, WE DON'T HAVE THE PETITIONER HERE STILL? CORRECT.
OKAY, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE DISCUSSION PORTION OF THIS.
ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? JOE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY THE APPLICATION AND WE RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THE ASSESSOR'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE FULL CASH VALUE SHOULD REMAIN AS THE CURRENT VALUE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IS IN FAVOR? VOTE.
AND NOW TO THE LAST ITEM, CONSIDERATION OF STIPULATIONS BETWEEN NAVAJO COUNTY ASSESSOR AND PETITIONER ON PETITIONS FOR REVIEW OF NOTICE OF CHANGES SWEARING IN OF ASSESSOR AND PETITIONERS.
OKAY, WHICH ONE ARE YOU STARTING WITH? THIS IS THE LAST ONE, ITEM D.
[d. Consideration of Stipulations between the County Assessor and Petitioners on Petitions for Review of Notice of Change; Swearing in of Assessor, Appraisers and Petitioners. ]
YOU WANT ME TO JUST GO THROUGH ALL OF 'EM AT ONE TIME? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANNA DO, MELISSA? YES.SO ON PARCEL 2 0 2 67 0 0 2, THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AND IVORY LUT, THE PETITIONER HAVE REACHED A STIPULATION.
THE FULL CASH VALUE WILL BE SET AT 3 98 0 65.
AND THE LIMITED WILL BE SET AT 230.
'CAUSE THE, THE EMAILS GOT JUMBLED I THINK.
THEY WERE SORT OF, I DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.
ALL THESE ARE STIPULATIONS WHERE THE PEOPLE HAVE SENT US EMAILS.
THE EMAILS WHEN YOU SENT THEM, THEY SORT OF GOT JUMBLED, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 'CAUSE THEY WERE IN BOXES AND THEY SORT OF GOT JUMBLED.
SO THEY HAVE ACTUALLY AGREED TO THE NUMBERS THAT I AM.
SO THE NUMBERS YOU'RE READING ARE WHAT YOU'VE FORMED IN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS, CORRECT? UHHUH
SO THIS FULL CASH WILL BE 3 98 0 65.
THE LIMITED PROPERTY VALUE WILL BE 2 32 11.
AND I'VE SUPPLIED MELISSA WITH COPIES OF THE LETTERS.
UHHUH
ON PARCEL 2 12 43 0 32, THE NAVAJO COUNTY ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AND ANDERSON, VIRGIL JUNIOR AND ANN REED, THE PETITIONER HAVE REACHED A STIPULATION.
BOTH PARTIES REQUEST OF FULL CASH VALUE BE SET AT A HUNDRED FORTY FIVE, ONE THIRTY SEVEN.
AND THE LIMITED PROPERTY VALUE BE SET AT 69 1 0 7 FOR THE 2025 TAX RULE.
PARCEL 2 0 2 0 5 0 88 A, THE NAVAJO COUNTY ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AND AUGUSTA RANCH, 50 LLC.
THE PETITIONER HAVE REACHED A STIPULATION.
BOTH PARTIES REQUEST THE FULL CASH VALUE BE SET AT 516,000 OH 92.
AND THE LIMITED PROPERTY VALUE BE SET AT 2 98.
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COUNTY ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AND MARK VAN ARK AND MICHELLE OTT PETITIONERS HAVE REACHED A STIPULATION.BOTH PARTIES REQUEST THE FULL CASH VALUE BE SET AT 526,280 WITH A LIMITED BE SET AT 3 0 4 360 1 FOR THE 25 TAX ROLL.
THE NAVAJO COUNTY ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AND IT'S ROCCO FAMILY TRUST.
THE PETITIONERS HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT.
BOTH PARTIES BECAUSE OF FULL CASH VALUE BE SET AT 6 21 0 25.
AND THE LIMITED PROPERTY VALUE BE AT 3 59.
SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD ABOUT ANY ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT NOT HEARING ANY THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS TO COME TO A RESOLUTION.
IT'S TIME CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ALL PETITIONS.
CHAIRMAN I MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
WE NEED A MOTION TO RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION.
YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WE'RE BACK TO REGULAR SESSIONS.
THANKS FOR BEING PATIENT AND WAITING WITH US.
[b. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration and possible adoption of Resolution Number 45-2024, approving/denying a Final Plat to allow for a 20-lot single-family residential subdivision, in the Lakeside area.]
WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO ITEM SIX B, PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 45 DASH 2024 APPROVING OR DENYING A FINAL PLOT TO ALLOW FOR A 20, UH, FOR A 20 BLOCK SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION IN LAKESIDE AREA.CODY, MR. CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR SUPERVISORS, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME ON THIS ITEM.
WE WILL GET THE POWERPOINT UP AND THEN I'LL SCROLL THROUGH THAT FOR YOU.
UM, SO JUST AS FAR AS THE SUMMARY HERE FOR THE, THE PROJECT AND THE PROPOSAL, UH, YOU GOT THE A PN THERE.
THE PARCEL ITSELF IS JUST A LITTLE OVER 24 ACRES IN SIZE.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT, IT WOULD FEATURE AS NOTED, THOSE 20 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
UM, SOME PRIVATE ROADS INTERNAL TO THE SUBDIVISION, PRIVATE GATED ACCESS, WHICH WOULD COME OFF OF STATE ROUTE TWO 60 ITSELF.
AND THEN THERE IS A PROPOSED OPEN SPACE AREA FOR, UH, RIPARIAN WILDLIFE, AND THAT IS JUST UNDER 16 ACRES IN SIZE.
THERE'S ALSO SOME PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENTS INDICATED ON THE PLAT ITSELF TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL VICINITY.
THIS IS KIND OF, UH, THE LARGE ZOOM OUT.
THIS REALLY BORDERS RIGHT UP WITH THE, THE PINETOP LAKESIDE AREA.
THE LAKESIDE AREA HERE, ONE OF OUR COUNTY ISLANDS.
AND THIS IS A AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
THIS IS A ZOOMED OUT VERSION OF THE FINAL PLAT.
I BELIEVE I HAVE A MORE ZOOMED IN ONE, SO YOU CAN SEE SOME FURTHER DETAIL AFTER THIS.
BUT THIS SHOWS THE LAYOUT, THE ACCESS OFF OF STATE ROUTE TWO 60, AND THEN THOSE 20 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ZOOMED IN GIVING YOU SOME OF THOSE DETAILS AS TO THOSE LOTS THEMSELVES.
YOU CAN SEE THE FLOODPLAIN AND FLOODWAY IN THE REAR HERE.
UM, THAT TRACK B AS NOTED BEFORE, IS THAT RIPERIAN WILDLIFE OPEN SPACE AREA THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO, UH, TO PUT IN WITH THIS SUBDIVISION.
SO WE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT.
THIS APPLICATION'S BEEN ACCEPTED FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH ON THE, THE FINANCIAL LETTER OF, UH, ASSURANCE OF CREDIT, UM, THAT'S REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
THEY'VE PROVIDED EVERYTHING WE NEED UP UNTIL THIS POINT, UH, FOR THOSE FINANCIAL ASSURANCES.
SO WITH THAT, TOGETHER WITH THE ACCEPTED APPLICATION, UH, AS WELL AS REVIEWING OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS FINAL PLAT SUBJECT TO THAT CONDITION THERE, UM, WHICH IS JUST A, A 24 MONTH PERIOD IN WHICH THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, AND COMPLETE THE, AND BEGIN AND COMPLETE WORK
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ON THIS PROJECT ITSELF.UM, AS OF TODAY, STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO COMMENTS IN FAVOR NOR AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL.
UH, STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THE APPLICANT AND THEIR ENGINEER ARE ALSO AVAILABLE AS WELL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
WE NOW WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC HEARING.
LET'S, DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS? UM, 16? NO.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ITEMS ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK.
SO THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THAT.
WE'LL MOVE TO DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD.
WE NEED TO GO TO THE APPLICANT IF THE APPLICANT'S WISHING TO SPEAK AS WELL.
UM, I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU FOLKS WOULD HAVE.
I LIVE AT 2 5 1 9 ROCK DRIVE IN SHALLOW ARIZONA.
AND I'M THE DEVELOPER OF BIG BEAR ESTATES.
AND I'M GLAD TO BE HERE TODAY.
WE HAD A LOT OF CHALLENGES TO GET THE SAME DESIGN PROPERLY SO THAT WE DIDN'T ENCROACH UPON AREAS THAT WE FELT WERE SENSITIVE.
WE WERE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO MONETIZE THIS PROPERTY AFTER 14 YEARS OF OWNERSHIP AND DO IT RESPONSIBLY AND NOT STOMP THE TERROR AND IRRITATE OUR NEIGHBORS.
I'S A 10 YEAR RESIDENT ON LAKESIDE ACROSS THE STREET, KNOW MOST OF THE PEOPLE AND HAVE A STRONG AFFECTION FOR THE TREES, THE ELK, AND THE WILDLIFE IN GENERAL.
SO WE WENT WAY OUT OF OUR WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID NOT INTRUDE UPON WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE SENSITIVE AREAS.
WE HAVE TRIED TO CREATE WHAT WE THINK IS A REAL SENSITIVE COMMUNITY WITHIN THAT SUBDIVISION.
AND, UM, AND HOPEFUL THAT, UH, YOU FOLKS WILL SUPPORT US TODAY.
THERE WILL BE CCNRS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THERE WILL BE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT WILL BE INSTRUMENTAL BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN OUR STREETS.
WE HAVE A BUDGET FROM OUR CONTRACTOR OVER A 60 MONTH PERIOD TO MAINTAIN OUR STREETS FOR THE FIRST YEAR, APPROXIMATELY $12,800 WORTH OF THAT BUDGET.
TOTAL BUDGET OF 33,000 OVER 60 MONTHS WILL PICK UP OURSELVES AS DEVELOPERS BECAUSE WE ANTICIPATE NOT BEING SOLD OUT BY THAT TIME.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO, UH, I GUESS TAX THEIR NEW RESIDENTS TOO MUCH RIGHT OUT THE GATE WITH A $12,800 INVESTMENT IN THE STREETS.
ARIZONA WATER, UH, WAS AN 18 MONTH HOLD UP, GETTING THROUGH APPROVALS.
UH, THEY INSISTED THAT WE EXTEND 1500 FEET OF 12 INCH DUCTILE IRON IN MAINE, UM, TO A PASTURE.
AND THAT WAS 18 MONTHS OF REVIEWS AND $276,800 OF OUR UNEXPECTED CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.
THEY TOOK AWAY OUR RIGHT TO HAVE A GATED ACCESS.
WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A ATTRIBUTE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
WE WERE TRYING TO MITIGATE THE INFLUX OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE PROPERTY, PARKING IN THE SUBDIVISIONS, CUL-DE-SACS AND HIKING IN THE OPEN SPACE AREA.
WE DON'T WANT TO, UM, BE DIFFICULT WITH THE PUBLIC.
IT, IT, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A CLOSED ENVIRONMENT.
UH, IT'S MEANT TO BE SET ASIDE FOR THE WILDLIFE AND FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE CAN BUILD NOTHING ON THE OPEN SPACE AREA.
THERE'S NO BIKE TRAILS THAT'LL BE ALLOWED, NO LIGHTING.
IT'S GOTTA STAY COMPLETELY UNDEVELOPED.
AND, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING OUT THERE AND SELLING SOME HOUSES WITH YOUR APPROVAL.
APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS ON THIS AND FOR SPEAKING TODAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
WE DO HAVE ONE SUPERVISOR, SEYMOUR AND MR. OTIS.
I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR EXPLANATION THERE.
I'VE WORKED WITH YOU IN THE PAST AND I APPRECIATE THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER IN YOUR CC AND OURS.
ARE THERE RESTRICTIONS ON THE LOT, THE SIZE OF THE HOMES ON THESE LOTS? 1500 SQUARE FEET LIVABLE UNDER ROOF.
AND WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND BILL EVERY SINGLE HOME IN THERE.
UH, THERE ARE ONLY 20 HOME SITES.
WE WANT TO HAVE SOME CONTINUITY.
I DON'T WANT ISSUES, UH, WITH ANYBODY IN THE ECONOMY FOR ANY REASON.
IN THE PAST, I'VE HAD MORE THAN ONE BUILDING IN A SUBDIVISION.
ONE GUY OR GAL GETS INTO TROUBLE, THEY DITCH OUT AND THEY DROP THE VALUE OF EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE SUBDIVISION AND THEY REALLY CREATE A LOT OF HAVOC FOR THE HOMEOWNERS THAT MIGHT BE THERE AND THE OWNERSHIP.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA BUILD IT OUT FOR CASH.
WE WANNA START TWO MORE IN A COUPLE OF
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WEEKS, AND AS THE MARKET WILL PURCHASE THEM, WE'LL BUILD THEM.AND YOUR FENCING THAT YOU HAVE, BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY, UH, INTEGRAL PARK COMING INTO LAKESIDE, PINETOP AREA.
UH, SO AESTHETICALLY, WHAT TYPE OF FENCE ARE YOU GONNA HAVE ALONG THE TWO 60? WE'LL HAVE A BROWN SPLIT FACE BLOCK, TWO SQUARE FOOT CONFIGURATION, 10 FOOT TALL ALONG THE ROAD.
THERE'LL BE AT EACH CORNER OF EACH LOT.
IN THE MIDDLE IN THE FIELD WILL HAVE FOUR FOUR INCH BLOCKS.
METAL WITH TWO INCH, UH, GATEWAY.
ACROSS THE TOP OF THE BOTTOM, YOU'LL HAVE TWO BY SIX PRESSED BOARD THAT'LL BE STAINED.
WE LOOKED AT DOING ALL BLOCK, UH, BECAUSE OF THE EXPANSE OF SOILS, WE'VE GOTTA GO DOWN THREE FEET TO THE ROCK TO BE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FAILURE IN THE CONCRETE.
THAT WAS JUST, IT WAS A $500,000 TICKET AND WE HAD TO FIND A WAY TO DO IT FOR HALF OF THAT.
WE WOULD'VE SPENT THAT MONEY HAD WE NOT HAD TO PUT IN THE WATER MAIN, BUT WE
UH, AND WE HAD TO FIND A WAY TO MITIGATE THAT.
BUT THAT FENCE WILL RUN 10 FEET FOR 1500 FEET.
YOU'LL HAVE A NICE ACCESS POINT THERE.
THAT'LL BE LANDSCAPED WITH A CI AROUND WITH TREES JUST THE SAME AS WE DID AT PINE VISTA.
AND THEN YOUR HOA WILL TAKE CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE ON THAT FENCE? YES, SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION CHAIR.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 45 DASH 2024 APPROVING THIS FINAL PLAT AND ALSO THAT THE CC AND OURS WILL BE RECORDED WITH THIS, UH, PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS? HEARING NONE.
HEARING NONE, THE AYES HAVE IT.
EVERYBODY INVOLVED WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM C, PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ADOPTION OF
[c. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration and possible adoption of Resolution 46-24, approving/denying a request by Stellar Red Hills Solar, LLC, for a Special Use Permit to allow for the construction and operation of a 1,000MW solar power generation facility, as well as a 1,000MW, 4-hour, battery energy storage system (BESS), and associated facilities on approximately 9,213 acres of land located 3.5 miles northwest of Snowflake, Arizona. ]
RESOLUTION 40 46 DASH 24.TYLER, YOU'RE TAKE, OR CODY, ARE YOU TAKING THIS ONE? YEAH.
CODY, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THIS ONE? YES, THIS IS, UH, GO AHEAD.
YES, I, UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR SUPERVISORS, UH, APOLOGIZE FOR THE CHANGE UP.
UH, TYLER JUST KIND OF FELL ILL.
SO WE'LL, UH, WE'LL TAKE OVER HERE AND TRY TO COVER ALL OF THIS FOR YOU, UM, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
SO WE DO HAVE A, UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED JUST OVER FIVE AND A HALF MILES TO THE NORTHWEST OF SNOWFLAKE, ARIZONA.
YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE APNS HERE ON THE SLIDE.
I WON'T READ THOSE ALL OFF FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYONE HERE.
UM, BUT IT IS 15 PARCELS THAT TOTAL APPROXIMATELY 9,213 ACRES.
UH, THE ZONING ON THOSE PROPERTIES ARE PRIMARILY RU 20, AND THERE IS MIXED OWNERSHIP WITH THE AZTEC LAND AND CATTLE COMPANY, FLAKE RANCH, LLC LANGLEY, ENZI RANCHES, LLC, AND THE ARIZONA STATE LAND DEPARTMENT.
AS FAR AS THE COMPONENTS, THIS WOULD INCLUDE SOLAR MODULES AND RACKING SYSTEMS, WHICH ARE TYPICAL A 34 AND A HALF KILOVOLT COLLECTION LINE AND ONSITE SUBSTATION, UH, GENT TIE LINE THAT WOULD CONNECT TO THE SRP SUGAR LOAF SUBSTATION BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, UM, WHICH WOULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR STORING A THOUSAND MEGAWATTS OF ELECTRICITY FOR FOUR HOURS, UP TO FOUR HOURS, AN O AND M BUILDING AND ASSOCIATED PARKING AND LAY DOWN YARDS.
AND THEN SEVEN FOOT FENCING WITH THREE STRAND BARBED WIRE AROUND THE O AND M BUILDING SUBSTATION AND THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM.
AS NOTED, THIS IS THE PROXIMITY TO THE, UH, TOWN OF SNOWFLAKE, APPROXIMATELY FIVE AND A HALF MILES TO THE NORTHWEST.
UH, AND ANYWHERE THAT YOU SEE OUTLINED IN RED IS THE POTENTIAL BOUNDARIES OF THIS PROJECT WITHIN HERE.
THIS SHOWS THE, THE GENERAL SOLAR ARRAY THAT'S PROPOSED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, AS YOU CAN NOTE LOOKING THROUGH HERE, UH, THERE ARE, UH, SPACES MADE FOR ANY EPHEMERAL WASHES OR OTHERWISE, WHICH COULD NOT BE ENCROACHED UPON.
UM, SO THIS IS GIVING YOU THE GENERAL LAYOUT OF WHAT THOSE, THOSE WOULD LOOK LIKE CONCEPTUALLY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AND PREVIOUS PROCESSES, UM, WE, WE'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON THE PUBLIC PROCESS.
UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE, THE SOLAR PROJECTS AND HOW THAT COULD INTERACT WITH SOME OUTSIDE AGENCIES.
UH, WE FELT IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE BOARD AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC JUST TO, TO GIVE INFORMATION AND, AND SHOW WHERE THIS PROJECT SITS AT TODAY'S DATE.
AND THEN WHAT STEPS WOULD NEED TO PROCEED, UM, TO GET TO A CONSTRUCTION LEVEL STAGE.
SO WE START ALL OF OUR PROJECTS HERE WITH CONCEPTUAL MEETINGS.
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FROM THERE, UH, WE MOVE TO A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING.AT THE CONCEPTUAL MEETING, THEY MEET WITH PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF.
WE LET 'EM KNOW BASE LEVEL REQUIREMENTS AND THEY START PUTTING DOCUMENTATION TOGETHER AT OUR PRE-APPLICATION MEETING.
UH, THEY HAVE AS CLOSE TO A COMPLETE PACKAGE AS POSSIBLE.
WITH THAT, WE BRING IN ALL RELEVANT COUNTY DEPARTMENTS AS WELL AS OUTSIDE AGENCIES LIKE THE GAME AND FISH DEPARTMENT, UH, THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE FOR THESE REVIEWS AND TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION AT HAND.
UH, TYPICALLY FROM THERE, THERE WILL THEN BE THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH PORTION, UH, WHICH IS REQUIRED WITH OUR ORDINANCE FOR ANYTHING THAT GOES INTO A PUBLIC HEARING.
FOLLOWING THAT, WE WOULD GET TO A FULL SUBMITTAL WITH THAT PACKAGE AND ANY CORRECTIONS REQUESTED AT THAT PRE-APPLICATION MEETING.
UM, NEXT ON THIS LIST IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AND TODAY WHERE WE SIT IS THE, THAT STEP RIGHT BELOW, WHICH IS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
NOW, ON THE RIGHT YOU'LL SEE OUTSIDE AGENCIES.
UH, ONE OF THESE IS THE UTILITY COMPANY.
THERE'S A REQUEST FOR PROCUREMENT FROM THESE UTILITY COMPANIES FOR PROJECTS THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAPPEN IN PARALLEL OR RIGHT AFTER THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, IT, IT CAN RUN AT THE SAME TIME, IT CAN RUN AFTER THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT IT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS THAT THAT KIND OF KICKS OFF THAT PORTION AND THAT SIDE OF THINGS FOR THESE DEVELOPERS.
FROM THERE, IF THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, IT WOULD GO TO THE CORPORATION COMMISSION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF ENVIRONMENTAL COMPATIBILITY.
THAT DOES REQUIRE SOME OPEN HOUSES AS WELL AS SOME HEARINGS AS WELL THAT ARE SEPARATE FOR THAT AGENCY ITSELF.
FOLLOWING THAT, THERE'S THE UTILITY COMPANY INTERCONNECTION AGREEMENT AND POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT.
SO THAT'S SAYING YOU'VE MET ALL OF THESE STEPS, YOU'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THESE AGENCIES.
NOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME, LET'S MAKE AN AGREEMENT ON HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT AND PURCHASE.
IF ALL OF THOSE STEPS HAVE THEN BEEN HIT, THE APPLICANT WOULD COME BACK AND SHOW THE COMPLETENESS AS TO CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APPLIED TO THEIR PROJECT AND THEY WOULD GO TOWARDS THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE AND REVIEW, AND THEN TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT.
OF NOTE, FOR THESE PROJECTS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THEY DO ALL HAVE BONDING REQUIRED ON THEM SO THAT THERE IS THE REMOVAL AT THE ADEQUATE TIME.
UH, THAT WILL NOT TAKE ANY PUBLIC MONIES FROM 'EM.
SO STAFF DOES REQUIRE BONDING OF EACH AND ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. IN THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, WE WENT THROUGH AND REVIEWED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, AND WE FOUND THAT THIS IS SUBSTANTIALLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF THE, THE REQUESTED ITEMS. THERE HAVE BEEN INCLUSIONS FOR CULTURAL STUDIES AS WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES.
UH, THIS MEETS THE LETTER OF, OF EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE REGARDING A SOLAR, UH, ENERGY GENERATION FACILITY.
ALSO, UH, WITH THAT WE'VE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS IN FAVOR OF NOR AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE LETTER IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
NO COMMENTS AGAINST THIS PROJECT, CORRECT MYSELF THERE.
UM, OF NOTE FOR THE BOARD, WE DO KNOW THAT A STATEMENT WAS RELEASED BY THE COUNTY A FEW MONTHS AGO.
THIS IS THE FINAL PROJECT THAT WAS FORMALLY WITHIN THE PIPELINE AND RECEIVED PRIOR TO THAT STATEMENT BEING RELEASED.
SO THIS IS THE FINAL OF THE SOLAR PROJECTS THAT'S, THAT'S COMING THROUGH PRIOR TO THAT STATEMENT.
UM, WITH ALL THIS IN MIND, NAVAJO COUNTY PLANNING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS GENERATION FACILITY SUBJECT TO THE 14 CONDITIONS LISTED IN OUR STAFF REPORT.
UM, AS THOSE ARE QUITE LENGTHY, QUITE A FEW PAGES, WE HAVEN'T WRITTEN THEM ALL OUT ON A SLIDE HERE, BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO ANY OF THOSE CONDITIONS, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
UM, WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, AND OTHERWISE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
IS THE APPLICANT WISHING TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? GOOD TO SEE YOU.
WE'LL COME FORWARD MR. CHAIRMAN, SUPERVISORS, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON.
UH, I'M THOMAS GALVIN ON BEHALF OF, OF STELLAR RENEWABLE 7 1 4 4 EAST STETSON DRIVE IN PHOENIX.
I REALLY WANNA APPRECIATE AND THANK STAFF FOR ALL OF THE WORK THEY HAVE BEEN DOING, UM, WORKING WITH US FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY GAVE A VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION.
SO I'M JUST GONNA BE BRIEF HERE, BUT I WANNA HIGHLIGHT A FEW IMPORTANT ITEMS FOR ALL OF YOU IN THE BOARD.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, NOT ONLY DO WE THANK STAFF, BUT WE WANT TO THANK THEM FOR WORKING WITH US FOR A LONG TIME.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, AND AS YOU SAW, CODY PROVIDED FOR YOU A VERY THOROUGH AND LENGTHY SUBMITTAL PROCESS.
YOU SEE THERE'S A LOT OF HOOPS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE, UM, SATISFIED IN ORDER TO GET THIS TO THE VERY END.
UH, AND AS YOU HEARD, WE COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE COMPLY WITH THE ZONING CODES.
AND IN FACT, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AND SINCE THEN, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES.
UM, NOTHING SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAW WHEN THEY PROVIDED UNANIMOUS APPROVAL.
AND AS YOU HEARD FROM CODY, THIS IS NOT THE END OF THE PROCESS.
AS I SAID EARLIER AS WELL, WE STILL HAVE A LOT TO WORK WITH.
UH, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE UTILITY AND STAFF ON SITE PLANNING AND WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE LANDOWNER WHO IS HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE THEIR SUPPORT.
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TIME FOR REBUTTAL IN CASE ANYONE ELSE SPEAKS IN OPPOSITION OR IF THERE'S QUESTIONS.ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING AND OPEN IT UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF REQUESTS TO SPEAK.
ARE WE SPEAKING ON THE SOLAR? YEAH, THIS IS FOR THE SOLAR.
THIS IS, SO, I, I WITHDRAW THAT.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE WITHDRAWING THAT ONE? YES.
HI, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
I AM A DISTRICT FOUR, UH, R BALANCE.
I'M A 22 YEAR VETERAN INCLUDING THE GULF WAR.
I HAVE A MASTER'S IN MATHS AND SCIENCE EDUCATION.
AND I LIVE IN MY THIRD SOLAR GRID TIDE, ALL THE ELECTRIC HOME ON SHOW LOW BLUFF.
UM, BEFORE I GO INTO THAT, I APPRECIATED MY LATEST EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THE ELECTION OFFICE AGAIN.
UM, FOUR TIMES THERE WITNESSED EXCELLENT INTEGRITY AND WILL ACTUALLY CALL OUT THE STAFF FOR STOPPING SOME POLITICAL, UH, TALK THAT WAS DISMISSIVE OF OUR NAVAJO NATION.
AND I WAS GLAD TO SEE THE OFFICIALS THERE TAKE THAT UP.
GOOD THING TO KEEP A POLITICS OUT OF THAT OFFICE.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY THAT NAVAJO COUNTY CONTINUES TO APPROVE USING SCIENCE, USING FACTS.
AND I, THIS SOLAR BATTERY PROJECT IS EXCELLENT.
UM, WE HAVE A HISTORY OF CLEAN ENERGY IN NAVAJO COUNTY.
UM, IN THE WORDS OF THE BOARD MEMBER QUOTE, THIS IS A PRIVATE UTILITY COMPANY BUYING POWER FROM A PRIVATE LANDOWNER AND A PRIVATE COMPANY'S GONNA BUILD IT.
UNFORTUNATELY, MY LEGISLATURE HAS TURNED DOWN TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF OUR FEDERAL TAX MONEY THAT WENT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, UH, BRINGS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THIS FORM TO THIS COUNTY FOR CLEAN ENERGY.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THIS.
A LOT OF IT COMES IN THE FORM OF NIMBY, NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
IT'S, IT'S NOT THEIR BACKYARD.
IT'S AZTEC LAND, CATTLE COMPANY'S BACKYARD, AND I I DISTURB BY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM NIMBY WHEN THEY'RE NOT THERE AND CLAIM TO KNOW WHAT INDIGENOUS PEOPLE WANT IN THIS COUNTY.
UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNING, YOU HAVE THE STATEMENT IN FRONT OF YOU FROM THE GROUP THAT'S HERE, UH, CALLING OUT PEOPLE BY NAME, CALLING LEIGHTON TO FREELY DISCRIMINATE AGAINST POLL WORKERS.
I CONSIDER THAT SLANDER, BUT AT THE BOTTOM IT BASICALLY SAYS THEY'RE CALLED HERE TO OCCUPY THE LAND BY GOD'S PRINCIPLES IN PLURAL.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH GODS THOSE ARE BY THE AUTHORITY OF GOD ALMIGHTY AND NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF THE NAVAJO COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT STATEMENT.
WE'VE HAD GROUPS HERE BEFORE, CALLING OUT THE TYRANNY OF YOUR BOARD, THE CORRUPTION OF YOUR BOARD.
UM, AND IT'S DISTURBING THAT WE HAVE CITIZENS IMPOSING THEIR RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL VIEWS ON MATTERS THAT REQUIRE SCIENCE AND FACT.
UM, MY HOPE IS THAT THIS BIRD WILL AFFIRM IN, EXCUSE ME, AFFIRM THAT YOUR WORDS AND YOUR ACTIONS, AND YOU MAY HOLD PERSONAL, POLITICAL, AND RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, BUT THAT YOU GOVERN AND MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE BASED NOT ON YOUR PARTISAN BELIEFS OR YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, BUT ON SCIENCE AND LOGIC AND FOR THE GOOD OF ALL NAVAJO COUNTY CITIZENS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, ON THIS SOLAR FARM, WHERE WERE WE SUPPOSED TO SEND COMMENTS? NEVER GOT ANY NOTICE OF THAT.
UM, SO SOLAR AND WIND TECHNOLOGY LIMITED TO ROOFTOPS AND BACKYARD GROUPS IS A GOOD THING, YOU KNOW, IN SMALL GROUPS, BUT GIANT SOLAR AND WIND FARMS, THESE MEGA STRUCTURES HAVE DEVASTATING LIFE ALTERING CONSEQUENCES TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND THE ENVIRONMENT FOREVER.
WE, THE PEOPLE OF NAVAJO COUNTY SAY NO TO GIANT SOLAR, WIND, UH, UM, UH, SOLAR AND WIND FARMS IN OUR COUNTY.
UM, THERE'S A LONG LIST OF PROVEN DIRE CONSEQUENCES OF THESE GIANT SOLAR FARMS, BUT I'VE ONLY GOT THREE MINUTES TO READ IT SO I DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ IT.
UM, ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY ENVIRONMENTAL HOAXES AND CORPORATE GREED.
GIANT SOLAR FARMS AND GIANT WIND FARMS ARE OUTDATED TECHNOLOGIES FOR ENERGY AND LEAVE ENVIRONMENTAL SCARS THAT WE WILL NEVER, THAT WILL NEVER BE REPAIRED IN OUR CHILDREN'S LIFETIME AND WILL DESTROY OUR OPEN SPACES FOREVER.
SO DON'T MAKE A DECISION THAT'S OBSOLETE LIKE YOU WERE PERSUADED TO DO BY INSTALLING BROADBAND TO THE COMMUNITY'S
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RURAL AREAS YEARS AGO FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, WHICH IS ONLY NOW BEING INSTALLED AND WAS OBSOLETE IN 2022 STANDARDS.BE FULLY AWARE OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR DECISIONS ON THIS GIANT SOLAR FARM.
ARE YOU GONNA BE THE HEROES THAT PRESERVE OUR BEAUTIFUL WHITE MOUNTAINS FOR GENERATIONS TO COME? OR ARE YOU GONNA BE THE COWARDLY AND GREEDY WHO DESTROY IT? IF YOU APPROVE THIS GIANT SOLAR WIND FARM, BE ACUTELY AWARE THAT YOUR CHILDREN WILL DESPISE YOU FOR ALLOWING IT.
YOUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN WILL DESPISE YOU FOR ALLOWING IT.
THE PEOPLE OF NAVAJO COUNTY WILL MOST CERTAINLY DESPISE YOU FOR ALLOWING IT AND DESPISE YOU FOR NOT ONLY DESTROYING OUR BEAUTIFUL WHITE MOUNTAINS, BUT ALSO SERVING INTERNATIONAL CORPORATE GREED OTHER THAN THE JOB THAT YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO DO BY OATH.
AND THAT'S TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF NAVAJO COUNTY.
WE STRONGLY REQUEST THE BOARD DENY THE SOLAR FARM SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND LASTLY, JASON WADING USE IT ON THE BOARD OF REAL AZ, WHICH ACTIVELY WORKS TO BRING THESE INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS TO NAVAJO COUNTY TO DO BUSINESS, TO DESTROY COUNTY'S OPEN LANDS AND BEAUTIFUL VISTAS.
AND YET YOU SERVE ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO APPROVE OR DENY THE USE PERMITS OF THESE ENTITIES OVERRIDING OUR ALREADY EXISTING BUILDING CODES.
THAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND THE PEOPLE WANT SOME ANSWERS AND DEMAND.
A HUNDRED PERCENT TRANSPARENCY.
SO SUPERVISOR WHITING, HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE YOU PERSONALLY RECEIVED FROM REAL AZ AND ANY ENTITY DOING BUSINESS WITH REAL AZ IN ANY FASHION? THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO LEN FLAKE, HONORABLE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I LIVE AT 4 65 EAST BILLY BUTTON LANE IN SNOWFLAKE.
I'M A FOURTH GENERATION RANCHER FROM THE FLAKE FAMILY.
OUR RANCH HAS BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
MY SON REPRESENTS THE FIFTH GENERATION, AND WE HOPE TO CARRY ON THIS LEGACY FOR MANY MORE GENERATIONS.
WE ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRO PRO PROPOSAL TO INSTALL A LARGE SOLAR FARM, WHICH WOULD CLAIM FIVE SECTIONS OF OUR RANCH.
THIS LAND HAS BEEN AN INTEGRAL TO OUR OPERATION FOR GENERATIONS, AND ITS LOSS WOULD HAVE SERIOUS AND LASTING CONSEQUENCES.
THESE FIVE SECTIONS CONTAIN VITAL WATER SOURCES THAT WE HAVE WORKED FOR YEARS TO DEVELOP AND MAINTAIN.
LOSING ACCESS TO THESE RESOURCES WOULD SEVERELY DISRUPT OUR OPERATION AND THREATEN THE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF OUR FAMILY RANCH.
IN ADDITION TO THESE SECTIONS PROPOSED FOR THE SOLAR PROJECT, WE OWN PRIVATE SECTIONS ADJACENT TO THIS LAND.
OUR PRIVATE LAND AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AREA ARE INTERCONNECTED.
AND THE SOLAR PROJECT WOULD IMPACT THE HEALTH OF BOTH.
THESE SECTIONS, LIKE THE REST OF OUR RANCH, ARE CRUCIAL FOR LOCAL WILDLIFE.
LARGE, LARGE HERD OF ELK, SOMETIMES OVER A HUNDRED STRONG RELY ON THIS AREA FOR HABITAT.
IF THE SOLAR FARM PROCEEDS, THESE ELK WILL BE FORCED TO RELOCATE TO NEIGHBORING PRIVATE LAND.
INTENSIFYING, INTENSIFYING CONFLICT BETWEEN WILDLIFE AND AGRICULTURE OPERATIONS AS THE PRIVATE LAND WILL BECOME THE ONLY REMAINING WILDLIFE CORRIDOR.
WE ALSO, WE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT, WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRIVATE IMPACT FOR THE LAND'S HEALTH.
FOR THE PRO ABOUT THE PROJECT'S IMPACT FOR THE LAND'S HEALTH.
THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD STRIP AWAY NATIVE VEGETATION THAT HOLDS OUR TOP SOIL IN PLACE, INCREASING EROSION AND THAT IMPACT ON OUR RANCH AND NEIGHBORING PROP PROPERTIES.
THIS DEGRADATION WILL CREATE LONG-TERM ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES FOR EVERYONE IN THE AREA.
WE FEEL THIS PROJECT, WE FEEL THESE PROJECTS ARE BEING PLANNED IN A WAY THAT DIVIDES OUR COMMUNITY, AFFECTING JUST A FEW LANDOWNERS AT A TIME, MAKING IT HARDER FOR US TO ORGANIZE COLLECTIVELY.
MEANWHILE, OUR MEANWHILE, LARGE, LARGE CORPORATIONS OUTSIDE OF OUR AREA
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FOCUS SOLELY ON CAPITALIZING ON OUR LANDS, DISREGARDING THE FAMILIES, FAMILIES AND THE HERITAGE THAT BUILT THESE SMALL COMMUNITIES OUR WAY OF LIFE.WHAT REALLY MATTER, WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS A RISK OF BEING LOST IN THE NAME OF PROPHET.
WHILE, ARE WE UNDER, WE'RE AT OUR THREE MINUTES NOW.
WHAT'S THAT? WE'RE AT OUR THREE MINUTE MARK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME.
WAS THERE ANY OTHER ONES? OKAY, SO THOSE ARE ALL THE, THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES THAT WE HAD.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING AND MOVE TO THE DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD.
ASK QUESTIONS, COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
SO ANY QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? I HAVE A FEW, BUT SO CODY, UP TO THIS POINT, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HEARD SOME TODAY, BUT YOU HAD NOT HEARD ANY.
THERE'S BEEN, LET'S OKAY, GREAT.
SO THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED, INCLUDING SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED.
UM, IT WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK THERE.
WHERE WOULD ALL THE TOUCH POINTS BE HERE? LET'S SIMPLIFY IT.
WHERE WOULD ALL THE TOUCH POINTS BE WHERE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO ENGAGE? SO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS FAR AS THE TOUCH POINTS, YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT GENERALLY GOES TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES WITHIN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT ITSELF.
UM, YOU HAVE THE COMMISSION AT WHICH PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO SPEAK.
THEY'RE ALSO ABLE TO COMMENT AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, AN EMAIL ADDRESS AS WELL AS A DEDICATED PHONE LINE SO THAT THERE'S NO INTERPRETATION OF THOSE COMMENTS AND THEY CAN BE RECEIVED DIRECTLY VERBATIM.
UH, YOU ALSO HAVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WHICH IS THEN FURTHER ADVERTISED AND ALLOWS FOR THOSE SAME COMMENTS AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
I BELIEVE EVEN AS YOU, YOU GO TO THE OUTSIDE AGENCIES, ONCE YOU HIT THE CERTIFICATE OF ENVIRONMENTAL COMPATIBILITY, THERE WILL ALSO BE A PUBLIC INPUT PORTION TO THAT PROCESS ITSELF.
UM, BUT AT LEAST WITH THE COUNTY, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH WHICH TO COMMENT THIS BEING ONE OF 'EM, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND EVEN BEYOND THIS, SO LET'S SAY JUST BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS IT TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION DOWN IT'S PATH, LET'S SAY THAT IT, IF IT WAS TO BE APPROVED TODAY, THEY STILL, IT STILL GOES BEFORE THE CORPORATION COMMISSION? CORRECT.
AND THERE'S A PUBLIC PROCESS THERE THAT, THAT IS CORRECT MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT THAT'S IF THEY'VE BEEN ACCEPTED FOR A REQUEST FOR PROCUREMENT FROM THOSE UTILITY COMPANIES.
SO IT TYPICALLY, IF THEY HAVE NOT MOVED BEYOND THAT STAGE, THEY THEY STALL OUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
SO THEY WOULD EVEN HAVE TO, AT THIS POINT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH A UTILITY COMPANY THAT'S WILLING TO EVEN PURCHASE THE POWER FROM THEM.
TO AN EXTENT THEY WOULD HAVE TO, TO HAVE A PROJECT THAT WAS SELECTED THROUGH THAT REQUEST FOR PROCUREMENT.
AND THEN TYPICALLY THEY'LL GO TO THE CERTIFICATE OF ENVIRONMENTAL COMPATIBILITY AND FOLLOWING THAT THEY WOULD IRON OUT THE, THE FINER DETAILS AS FAR AS THE, THE COST AND WHAT WAS PAID REGARDING THIS.
SO, UM, TO AN EXTENT, YES, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN OF PEOPLE WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC HAD A PRO, UH, OPPORTUNITIES TO ENGAGE AND THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN HONORED WHERE THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE ON THIS.
UM, AND OTHER THAN TODAY, THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY DESCENDING.
I I BELIEVE WE HAD ONE COMMENT AGAINST DIRECTLY ON THE CHAMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
I, IT WAS GENERALIZED TOWARDS SOLAR DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, I I THINK IT WAS AIMED AT THIS, BUT A GENERAL ONE TOWARDS SOLAR DEVELOPMENT, BUT NO FORMAL COMMENTS RECEIVED WHEN WE GO OUT FOR COMMENTS NOW.
AND THERE'S QUESTIONS AROUND IT AND IT SEEMS TO BE BE SOME CONFUSION FOR SOME, I MAY BE EVEN MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED, UM, BY THE PUBLIC WHEN THEY ASK QUESTIONS.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE PUBLIC THINKS THAT THE COUNTY MAKES DECISIONS ON WHAT UTILITIES PURCHASE AND WHAT THEY DON'T PURCHASE AND WHERE THEY PURCHASE THEIR STUFF FROM.
UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY DOES.
THE COUNTY DOES NOT SELECT WHAT TYPE OF ENERGY THEY'RE PRODUCING, WHAT TYPE OF ENERGY THEY WANT TO BUY.
THAT'S DONE BY THE PRIVATE UTILITIES AND IT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE TO MAKE THE DECISION WITHIN THE LAW THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE.
SO THAT'S NOT THE COUNTY THAT'S MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.
THERE ALSO IS A COMMENT MADE ABOUT REAL A ZI BECAUSE THAT WASN'T SOMETHING REAL THE QUESTION WAS ASKED.
IT'S, UH, IT'S TIED INTO THIS SOMEWHAT.
REALLY Z I'VE NEVER BEEN PAID A DIME FOR ANYTHING THAT I DO ON REAL A Z IT'S A, SOMETHING THAT I'VE DONE, I'VE SERVED ON BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITIES, IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HUB THAT IS IN THIS AREA THAT WORKS TO HELP SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE CONSIDERING COMING IN.
THEY DON'T NECESSARILY GO OUT AND TRY TO FOCUS ON THIS INDUSTRY OR THAT INDUSTRY, BUT THEY LOOK AT WHATEVER INDUSTRIES ARE COMING INTO THE AREA, ANSWER.
THEY ACT AS A RESOURCE TO HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS, FACILITATE CONVERSATION, AND DIRECT THEM TO BE ABLE TO BE IN CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE THAT THEY WOULD TALK TO.
I'M NOT PAID TO SERVE ON THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DO TO TRY AND SERVE MY COMMUNITY AND BE
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ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M PAID TO DO.
THAT'S SOMETHING I DO TO SERVE THE CITIZENS I REPRESENT.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, THEY WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, WHAT OTHER THINGS WAS ON THERE.
SO GOING BACK TO WHAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVE A PRIVATE LANDOWNER THAT'S HERE WITH US TODAY THAT WANTS TO USE HIS LAND THE WAY THAT THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS HIM TO USE THE LAND.
EVERYBODY IN HERE IS FAMILIAR WITH THE CONSTITUTION READS IT, I WOULD HOPE.
AND THEY'RE ABLE TO USE THAT LAND THE WAY THAT THEY WANT TO WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION.
PERSONAL, PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
THEY HAVE THOSE RIGHTS THAT'S IN THIS CONVERSATION, RIGHT? SO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
YOU HAVE A PRIVATE BUSINESS THAT'S WANTING TO COME IN AND PARTNER WITH THEM.
SO THOSE AGREEMENTS ARE ALL BETWEEN THEM.
THE COUNTY'S NOT A PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
THEN YOU ALSO HAVE CORPORATION COMMISSION THAT'S INVOLVED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AND THEY GET TO, TO DECIDE IF A UTILITY WANTS TO PURCHASE THAT POWER AND THEN SELL THAT POWER.
THOSE ARE ALL PRIVATE ENTITIES ALL HAVING A CONVERSATION.
OUR ROLE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS, DOES THIS MEET OUR ORDINANCE OR DOES IT NOT? THAT'S, AM I MISUNDERSTANDING SOMETHING HERE ON OUR ROLE? CODY? DON'T BELIEVE SO, MR. CHAIRMAN? NO, WE, WE COMPLETE OUR ANALYSIS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ZONING ORDINANCE MAKING OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH YOU THEN MAKE A MOTION REGARDING.
SO IT HAS TO DO WITH THE ORDINANCE AND WHETHER IT MEETS THE ORDINANCE OR IT DOESN'T.
THAT BEING SAID, SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER IT MEETS THE ORDINANCE OR WHETHER IT DOESN'T, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT MEETS THE ORDINANCE.
UM, I APPRECIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS I'VE HEARD WHAT OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE ABOUT THIS PROJECT CHAIR? I'M JUST GONNA WEIGH IN ON ONE THING AS WELL.
I THINK THAT, UH, I DIDN'T GET TO CATCH YOUR FIRST NAME THAT SHARED WITH US.
THIS AREA HAS BEEN KNOWN FOR ITS NATURAL RESOURCES FOR ITS WIND AND FOR ITS SOLAR FOR A LONG, LONG TIME PRIOR TO ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY MADE A DECISION THAT THEY WOULD, UH, ENTERTAIN AND ALLOW TO HAVE HAPPEN IN OUR COUNTY.
AND WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE SUPPORTED, UH, GOING FORWARD.
SO I THINK WE'VE SET UP PRETTY STRONG PRECEDENCE AS TO WHAT WE WANT, UH, IN, IN THIS AREA.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO ALSO GENERATE, UH, YOU KNOW, JOBS, ECONOMICAL IMPACT.
AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE WEIGH IN AND VERY RARELY DO WE HAVE OPPOSITION TO A SOLAR, UH, POWER GENERATION STATION AT ALL.
AND SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT WE'RE DOING.
AND I KNOW ALSO THAT STAFF IS WORKING ON THAT WHEN THESE PROJECTS USE EXCEED THEIR COME TO THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE, THAT THEN THERE'S ALSO, UH, THE WAYS FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE RECLAIMED BACK TO, IN ITS ORIGINAL STATE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF MEASURES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP TOO.
BUT THE AGREEMENTS ARE YOU JUST HAVING ISSUES THERE? IT GOES, BRINGING THAT UP THAT THERE'S A 20 YEAR AGREEMENT IN WHICH THEY HAVE TO REMOVE THAT ENTIRELY AND INCLUDING BUYING A BOND IN CASE THEY WERE TO NOT FULFILL THAT RESPONSIBILITY, WE COULD TRIGGER THE BOND TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF, PROTECTING OUR KIDS AND THEIR KIDS AND THOSE, THOSE THINGS.
SO, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I, I WANT TO BRING UP THAT I DON'T WANT TO, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S KNOWN THAT IT WAS HEARD.
ONE THING THAT'S REALLY IN CONFLICT FOR ME, BUT I'M NOT SURE REALLY HOW TO RESOLVE THAT, IS WE HAD A RANCHER THAT JUST TALKED ABOUT HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THEIR WAY OF LIFE.
AND MANY OF THE RANCHERS THAT IN THIS AREA DON'T OWN THE LAND THAT THEY RANCH.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY LEASE THOSE BITS OF LAND, AND SO WE CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A CONFLICT THAT'S HERE.
I'M NOT SURE ENTIRELY HOW TO RESOLVE THAT IN THAT YOU HAVE A LANDOWNER THAT HAS PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
THEY CAN EITHER LEASE THAT LAND TO A RANCHER AND LET 'EM USE IT, OR THEY CAN TAKE THAT LAND AND USE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, WHERE IT'S IN CONFLICT FOR ME IS I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S GOVERNMENT'S ROLE TO STEP IN AND DICTATE TO THEM HOW TO USE THEIR LAND AND WHAT TO USE IT FOR.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T CAUSE ME SOME, SOME CONCERN AROUND HOW IT IMPACTS THAT RANCHER THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A FEW GENERATIONS.
AND I KNOW THAT WHEN WE'RE LEASING LAND OR RENTING LAND, OR WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU DON'T OWN IT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE CONTROL THAT YOU WOULD HOPE TO HAVE.
BUT BOY, IT, SURE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SOLUTION OR A WAY TO BE ABLE TO, TO RESOLVE THAT.
UM, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS AROUND HOW IT WILL IMPACT THESE RANCHERS THAT ARE THERE.
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AND AS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WITH SOLAR, THE DIFFERENCE IS WHEN WE HAVE, SORRY, MY MICROPHONE KEEPS GOING OFF.SO WITH SOLAR, THE DIFFERENCE IS THEY WILL HAVE TO MOVE OFF OF THAT LAND.
THEY WILL HAVE LIKE A TRAIL THAT THEIR CATTLE CAN GO THROUGH OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO COME OFF THAT LAND, WHEREAS WITH WIND, THEY CAN STILL BE ON THAT LAND.
IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS WELL, CODY? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THAT, THAT IS GENERALLY CORRECT AS FAR AS THE SOLAR VERSUS WIND IS THAT, UM, SOLAR TAKES UP QUITE A BIT OF GROUND AREA THAT PREVENTS GRAZING, THOUGH A LARGE NUMBER OF THESE PROJECTS DO PROVIDE, UM, GRAZING CORRIDORS AS WELL AS MIGRATION CORRIDORS FOR WILDLIFE AND THOSE, THOSE NATIVE ANIMALS PRESENT.
UM, BUT WIND PROVIDES A, A MUCH MORE LIMITED FOOTPRINT, FOOTPRINT OF THE, THE CONCRETE, UH, THAT'S THERE.
AND IT ALLOWS FOR MULTI-USE AND GRAZING ON A LARGER SCALE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THERE'S A LOT THAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS CONVERSATION, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT THOSE ARE HEARD.
I'M NOT HEARING ANY, AND I'VE TRIED TO WALK THROUGH WHAT I HEARD WERE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT CONCERNS AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT NAVAJO COUNTY'S ROLE IS, HOW OFTEN THE PUBLIC OR WHEN THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THESE ISSUES AND EVEN ADDRESSING IF IN FACT IT WAS TO GET APPROVED, WHAT HAPPENS ON THE WAY FORWARD? I WOULD LIKE TO, I KNOW PART OF THIS, THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST PROJECTS BEFORE WE MADE THAT STATEMENT THAT'S COMING THROUGH HERE, BUT THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING AT LEAST THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AS WE LOOK AT THE, AS WE RECONSIDER THE ORDINANCES AT HOW THIS IMPACTS THE RANCHERS THAT ARE WORKING ON THOSE LANDS.
SO AT THIS POINT, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION CHAIR.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UH, THIS PROJECT AS PRESENTED.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
HEARING NONE, THE AYES HAVEN'T.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO ITEM EIGHT, COUNTY BUSINESS
[8. COUNTY BUSINESS UPDATE: Report from County Manager, County Attorney and Board members. ]
UPDATE.UH, MR. CARLINE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO UPDATE US ON? NO.
SUPERVISOR SEYMOUR, ANYTHING? THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE THAT'S RELEVANT TODAY IS, UH, IT'S MELISSA'S BIRTHDAY AND I THINK WE NEED TO HONOR HER ON HER BIRTHDAY TODAY.
YOU KNOW, SO WE AT LEAST NEED TO SING HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HER.
I THINK YOU WANNA DO THAT NOW.
I KNOW AFTERWARDS WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING SOME CAKE AND
SOUNDS LIKE THE PUBLIC WANTS TO JOIN US TOO.
ALRIGHT, SUPERVISOR
VICE CHAIR, BENELLI, ANYTHING? I'M GOOD, THANKS.
AND I'LL WITHHOLD MY COMMENTS AS WELL SO THAT WE, OH, WE'RE AT THE END, THE CALL TO THE PUBLIC.
[9. CALL TO THE PUBLIC: Individuals may address the Board on any relevant issue for up to 3 minutes. At the close of the call to the public, Board members may not respond to any comments but may respond to criticism, ask staff to review a matter or ask that a matter be placed on a future agenda.]
WE HAVE THREE ITEMS OR THREE REQUEST TO SPEAK ON CALL TO THE PUBLIC.WE'LL START WITH CECILIA AND THEN WE'LL GO TO DONNA AFTER THAT.
UM, I HAVE HEARD SOME REALLY GOOD REPORTS ABOUT THE ELECTIONS AND HOW RAYLENE HAD REACHED OUT AND MADE SURE THAT THE GOP WAS THERE.
THE DEMOCRATS WERE THERE WHEN ALL THE TABULATING WAS GOING ON.
THE OBSERVING WAS WAS IT LOOKS, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS VERY THOROUGH.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M STILL GONNA ASK FOR IS TO PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AGAIN, JUST TO REVIEW THE ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES THAT WE'RE STILL TABULATING ON AND SOME OF THE NEW INFORMATION THAT HAS COME ACROSS JUST FOR FUTURE ELECTIONS, BECAUSE I STILL DON'T HAVE MANY PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC STILL DON'T HAVE A PIECE ABOUT WHAT THE VOTING MACHINES ARE DOING.
EVEN IF YOU'RE THERE WATCHING THEM, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS WATCHING THEM, YOU'RE NOT INSIDE.
THERE'S NO CHAIN OF COMMAND INSIDE THOSE MACHINES.
AND, UM, ANYWAY, SO THAT, I JUST WANTED TO SAY
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THANK YOU FOR BEING SO ON TOP OF IT THIS YEAR.UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP IS ON THE WIND FARMS, THERE IS A STUDY THAT I JUST WANTED TO GET ON RECORD REAL QUICK.
IN 2021, SEPTEMBER OF 2021, OH GOSH, LET ME PULL THIS UP.
AUGUST 19TH, 2021, THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION OBTAINED FINAL JUDGEMENTS AGAINST FOUR FORMER EXECUTIVES OF BLUE EARTH, A FORMER ALTERNATIVE AND RENEWABLE ENERGY SERVICES COMPANY FOR THEIR ALLEGED ROLES IN DEFRAUDING INVESTORS BY MATERIALLY MISREPRESENTING THE COMPANY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH A KEY CUSTOMER, THE SCOPE OF ITS BUSINESS OPERATIONS AND FINANCIAL CONDITION.
BLUE EARTH RENEWABLES IS RELATED TO BLUE EARTH.
A PRIVATE INDEPENDENT POWER PRODUCER THAT ACQUIRES, DEVELOPS, BUILDS, OWNS AND OPERATES HYDRO SOLAR AND STORAGE FACILITY ACROSS NORTH AMERICA.
BLUE EARTH IS HEADQUARTERED IN CALGARY, ALBERTA, A COMPANY THAT OFFERS SERVICES AS BLUE BIN SUPPORT, SUCH AS BLUE BIN SUPPORT.
ANYWAY, IT'S IN CANADA, CANADIAN COMPANY.
BY THE WAY, DID YOU KNOW THAT 99% OF AMERICANS AND EUROPEANS LOOK UP TO POLLUTED SKIES? UNABLE TO SEE THE MILKY WAY.
IT'S REALLY ONE OF THE MOST THOROUGH STUDIES THAT WE HAVE TO DATE ON LIGHT POLLUTION ACROSS THE GLOBE.
SHERI LAND BISHOP COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR THE INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY ASSOCIATION, WHICH FIGHTS LIGHT POLLUTION.
SHE SAYS LIGHT POLLUTION IS STILL ON THE FRINGES OF WHAT MOST PEOPLE CONSIDER TO BE POLLUTION.
AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES HER ORGANIZATION FACES IS INCREASING AWARENESS OF THIS PROBLEM IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES.
THEY JUST WANT MORE LIGHT, BIGGER, BRIGHTER LIGHT, SHE SAYS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE, UM, THAT'S WHAT THEY UNDERSTAND IS DEVELOPMENT.
I'M JUST, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT BLUE EARTH RENEWABLES, I JUST, UH, WANT TO BE ABLE TO ECHO WHAT I'M BEING, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND THAT IS THEY DON'T TRUST BLUE EARTH.
THEY EMIT, UH, UH, ENERGY PULSES THAT ARE INJURING THOSE PEOPLE AROUND THEM.
THEY LEAVE DEAD WILDLIFE UNDERNEATH THEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER BEEN UNDER THEM.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO TO DONNA NEXT.
UM, I AM HERE TO, UH, SAY THAT THE ELECTIONS SEEM TO HAVE RUN PRETTY SMOOTHLY, BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME SHORTCOMINGS THAT I, UH, WANTED TO ADDRESS, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UM, A RS 16 DASH 5 31 SAYS THAT EACH POLLING SITE IN ARIZONA IS SUPPOSED TO BE EQUALLY STAFFED WITH TWO OF THE MAJOR PARTIES FROM THE LAST GENERAL ELECTION, WHICH IS DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN.
UH, YET I WORKED IN THE WHITE RIVER POLL.
THERE WERE 17, UH, DEMOCRATS AND TWO REPUBLICANS.
UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE, UH, UH, HONORED OR, OR UH, RESPECTED.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, FOUR REPUBLICANS THAT I KNOW OF THAT WERE, THEY WENT THROUGH THE TRADING CLASSES AND THEY NEVER WERE EVEN CALLED.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THAT THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH PEOPLE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
I'VE SINCE MARCH, UH, APRIL ASKED AND, UH, WONDERED HOW YOU GUYS SEEK AND SEARCH FOR POOLING STAFF, YET I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE NEWSPAPER.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT DID CHANGE ON THE NAVAJO COUNTY WEBSITE THAT SAID, UH, POLL WORKERS INSTEAD OF, UM, ELECTION BOARD MEMBERS, WHICH TO ME, THAT DID CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE TO TRY TO FIND, UH, AVAILABILITY TO HELP.
BUT, UH, WHY IS THERE NOT ANY ADVERTISING DONE? UH, LOCALLY IN THE NEWSPAPER, WE, UH, SEE LOTS OF ADVERTISEMENTS FROM THE, UM, NAVAJO COUNTY LOOKING FOR WORKERS FOR DIFFERENT POSITIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY, BUT YET THERE'S NOTHING FOR POLL WORKERS.
AND, UH, THEN WE COME TO THE GENERAL ELECTION AND, UM, I WAS SETTING UP THE POLL AND WHITE RIVER ON MONDAY, AND, UM, I HAD TWO FRIENDS THAT HADN'T BEEN CALLED REPUBLICANS.
THEY HAD GONE THROUGH THE CLASS.
THEY TOOK THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THE FOUR HOUR CLASS AND THEY WEREN'T CALLED YET.
KRISTEN HADDOCK WAS PANICKING.
I MEAN, WHY THE DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION, ARE WE HAVING SITUATIONS LIKE THAT? I'VE BEEN TALKING ON RECORD TO YOU AND, AND ADDRESSING YOU AS KIND AS I CAN, ASKING YOU SIMPLE QUESTION, WHY ARE YOU NOT ADDRESSING THE SITUATION WITH THE NEED FOR POLL WORKERS? IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT IT'S BEING HONORED AND, UM, IT'S A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK.
I, I BELIEVE BRIAN LAYTON OVERSEES THE ELECTIONS OFFICE, UH, POSITION, BUT, UM, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE MAKING ANYBODY DO ANYTHING.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST DISRESPECTFUL TO BE, UH, DISREGARDING THE A RS THAT WE HAVE, UH, ON THE BOOKS.
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THERE WILL BE ALSO A FOLLOW-UP.UM, FOR THE ELECTIONS, AGAIN, A SURVEY AS WAS SENT OUT WHEN I ASKED LAST TIME FOR THE PRIMARY ELECTION, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS A GOOD WAY TO BE ABLE TO GLEAN INFORMATION FROM UH, WORKERS.
UH, BUT I DID HAVE, UH, TWO FRIENDS THAT WERE SCHEDULED TO GO TO PINON POLLING CENTER UP IN THE RESERVATION.
UH, THEY TRIED TO CALL NUMEROUS TIMES.
THE, UH, ACTUAL INSPECTOR OF THE PINON POLLING SITE NEVER HAD A PHONE CALL FROM HIM BACK FIVE TIMES THEY CALLED, THEY THEN TRIED TO CALL AND CONFIRM WITH THE NAVAJO COUNTY ELECTIONS OFFICE THREE TIMES WERE THEY SCHEDULED WHAT TIME? WHEREVER.
SO THEY MADE HOTEL RESERVATIONS TO GO UP THERE FOR TWO NIGHTS AND THEY BASICALLY STARTED DRIVING UP THERE AND WERE TOLD THAT THEY HAD HAD TOO MANY PROBLEMS IN PINYON WHEN THEY HAD WORKED THERE DURING THE PRIMARY ELECTION.
SO THEY WEREN'T GONNA BE HIRED THIS TIME WHILE THEY HAD NEVER BEEN GIVEN THE COURTESY OF A PHONE CALL EIGHT TIMES THEY HAD TRIED.
SO TO ME, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED.
YES, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
ALRIGHT, JERRY, I, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS JERRY HUBBARD AND I LIVE IN OVERGUARD.
I'M A CERTIFIED POLL WORKER IN NAVAJO COUNTY AND ATTENDED POLL WORKER TRAINING FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION ON OCTOBER 24TH AT THE COUNTY COMPLEX BUILDING IN HEBREW OVERGUARD.
WE WERE INSTRUCTED BY KRISTEN HADDIX, THE ELECTION TRAINING COORDINATOR FOR THE COUNTY.
WHEN WE CAME TO THE PLACE IN THE TRAINING MANUAL CONCERNING THE COMPLETION OF THE OFFICIAL BALLOT REPORT, I RAISED MY HAND AND ASKED THE QUESTION WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF AT THE END OF THE ELECTION DAY WHEN THE BALLOTS WERE COUNTED AND SENT WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY TO THE, TO HOLBROOK, UH, THE ELECTIONS INSPECTOR DID NOT COMPLETE AND SEND IN THE OFFICIAL BALLOT REPORT.
SHE REPLIED, THAT WOULD BE VERY, VERY BAD AND WOULD BE A BIG PROBLEM FOR ME.
THEN I ASKED, WOULDN'T THAT INDICATE A FAILURE IN THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY AND CALL INTO QUESTION WHETHER THOSE BALLOTS SHOULD BE COUNTED.
SHE DISAGREED WITH ME, BUT SEEMED AT A LOSS TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ANY FURTHER.
I THEN SAID THAT FOR THE PRIMARY ELECTION ON JULY 30TH, THERE WERE THREE POLLING PLACES THAT DID NOT RETURN AN OFFICIAL BALLOT REPORT, AND THERE WERE OTHERS THAT WERE MISSING SOME OR ALL OF THE SIGNATURES OF THE POLL WORKERS AT THAT LOCATION.
AND SO APPARENTLY A SITUATION THAT IS DESCRIBED AS VERY, VERY BAD AND A BIG PROBLEM WAS NOT BAD ENOUGH OR BIG ENOUGH TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT OR CONSIDERED BY YOU THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SINCE YOU PRESUMABLY WENT AHEAD AND CERTIFIED THAT ELECTION AS DEMONSTRATED IN THE GENERAL ELECTION A WEEK AGO, THE STATE OF ARIZONA, AND INCLUDING NAVAJO COUNTY, HAVE SHOWN BY THEIR INABILITY TO FINISH COUNTING BALLOTS IN A TIMELY MANNER THAT WE HAVE ONCE AGAIN BECOME THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE REST OF THE NATION.
IT IS MY HOPE THAT WITH THE ELECTION OF NEW COUNTY OFFICIALS, INCLUDING IN THE RECORDER'S OFFICE, ELECTED BY A CLEAR MAJORITY OF CITIZEN VOTERS IN NAVAJO COUNTY, THAT THE PROBLEMS I HAVE JUST DESCRIBED WILL BE CORRECTED.
WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO LOOK FORWARD TO ELECTIONS THAT ARE TRULY FREE, FAIR, TRANSPARENT, AND COMPLETED ON TIME.
THAT'S ALL THE CALL TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVE, CORRECT, MELISSA? OKAY, EXCELLENT.
WITH THAT CHAIR, CAN I RESPOND? YES, PLEASE.
UH, AS FAR AS THE TIMELY OF VOTING BEING COUNTED, THERE'S SEVERAL STATES THAT WERE STILL COUNTED.
IT'S JUST THAT OUR RACES WERE SO CLOSE THAT NOTHING WAS DECLARED.
AND SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE ANY SLOWER THAN THE OTHER PLACE WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE, THE RACES THAT WERE STILL CONTESTED IN ARIZONA.
AND I'M GONNA, UH, AGAIN, ASK STAFF TO LOOK INTO SOME OF THE IR IRREGULARITIES IN OUR VOTING AND TO HAVE AN ASSESSMENT FOLLOW UP, UH, WITH THE COMMITTEES AND TO POSSIBLY, UH, MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WHERE WE CAN GOING FORWARD SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO IMPROVE.
AND I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL THE CITIZENS WHO CAME OUT AND VOTED, AND FOR THOSE WHO WORKED IN THE POLLS AND, AND AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE WHO COMMENTED TODAY WHO, WHO SHARED THEIR TIME AND THEIR TALENTS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, WITH THAT, WE STAND ADJOURNED.
WE'LL COME BACK UNLESS ONE O'CLOCK FOR A WORK SESSION.
SHE COULDN'T TAKE CARE OF IT BY ANY MOVE.
[11. WORK SESSION: Pursuant to ARS § 38-431.02 and ARS § 38-431(3), notice is hereby given to the members of the Navajo County Board of Supervisors and to the Public that a quorum of the Board of Supervisors may be present for a work session immediately following the Board of Supervisors Agenda in the Board Chambers where no official action will be taken. ]
I DIDN'T GET TO COMMENT ON THE, JUST REALLY QUICK FOR, UM,[03:40:01]
ADOT.I, I'D LOVE TO BE IN ON THAT CONVERSATION.
AS FAR AS THE ROAD DIVERSION, THAT'S ACTUALLY A HUGE PROBLEM ON NAVAJO NATION.
I DON'T THINK 90% OF OUR ROADS ARE BUILT FOR THE, THE, THE WEIGHT OF SEMI-TRUCKS, BUT EVERYONE KNOWS THE SHORTCUTS RATHER THAN GOING AROUND THE NAVAJO NATION THEY WANT TO GO THROUGH.
UM, BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S IT'S PART OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT BECAUSE IF THE, IF THE SEMI-TRUCK GETS IN AN ACCIDENT AND THEY HAVE A HAZMAT OR WHATEVER THE REASON, IT THEN BECOMES OUR ISSUE, OUR RESOURCES, UM, ALL OF THAT.
BUT THE, I KNOW THAT AT THAT LEVEL, IT, IT GETS THE ATTENTION OF THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT TO REALLY PUSH THINGS ALONG AT A DEPARTMENT LEVEL AND WHATNOT.
BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO BE, I'D LIKE TO JOIN IN ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO SEE HOW I CAN HELP.
AND, UH, EVEN IF IT'S BUILDING SIGNS, EVEN IF IT'S, UH, BUILDING THOSE BARRIERS THAT BLOCK, UM, WAYS TO, FOR CERTAIN ROADS AND WHATNOT, IT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, THE, THERE'S, IT'S A VERY COMPLEX, I WISH THERE WAS AN ALL, ALL-IN-ONE ANSWER FOR YOUR CONCERN.
UH, WHEN I FIRST JOINED, UM, I WISH THERE WAS A, I MEAN, GROWING UP I THOUGHT THERE WAS A, A PRETTY SHORT AND SIMPLE TERM ON HOW TO FIX, HOW TO FIX THINGS ON NAVAJO NATION.
UH, I LEARN EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT IT'S NOT, AND, BUT, UM, I KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT BECAUSE I JUST NOT ONE TO GIVE UP TO QUIT.
I'VE BEEN TO NAVAJO MOUNTAIN A COUPLE OF TIMES.
NAVAJO MOUNTAIN WAS MY FIRST EMERGENCY WHEN I, WHEN I GOT UP HERE, I TRAVELED THREE HOURS UP THAT WAY.
AND IT IS A UNIQUE LIVING SITUATION.
THE ROADS ARE, YEAH, IT, IT NEEDS A LOT OF ATTENTION.
UM, SO I'VE REACHED OUT TO A LOT OF CHAPTERS IN YOUR AREA, UM, TO CREATE WHAT'S CALLED EAPS EMERGENCY ACTION PLANS.
UM, NOW KEEP IN MIND THAT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, WE RESPOND WHEN A DISASTER HAPPENS AND WE CAN HELP WITH WHAT'S CALLED MITIGATION.
MITIGATION IS TRYING TO FIX THESE SMALLER THINGS THAT INEVITABLY LEAD TO THE LARGER THINGS.
ROADS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, NOW I COULD SAY ROADS IS BIA, ROADS IS ZEN DOT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ROADS, BUT I WANNA HELP BECAUSE IT'S A COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.
IT'S, UH, IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WHAT I CAN HELP WITH IS, IS LOOK AT THE ROADS IN YOUR AREA, WHOSE JURISDICTION IS IT? AND BY JURISDICTION, I I SOLELY MEAN NAVAJO NATION JURISDICTION, BIA, ROADS, UM, N ROADS AND ALL THAT.
AND, UM, I'M LEARNING THE PROCESS OF FIXING ROADS, A LOT OF PROBLEMATIC ROADS.
UM, I LIVE IN GANADO, ARIZONA, AND I LIVE RIGHT BESIDE THAT FREEWAY OR THAT HIGHWAY THAT TAKES YOU ALL THE WAY TO THE WONDERFUL PHOENIX, ARIZONA.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF SEMIS THAT DRIVE THAT ROAD.
I, I PROBABLY COUNT ABOUT 35, 40 A DAY, AND THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ON THAT ROAD.
BUT, UM, WHEN I DRIVE THAT ROAD, I DRIVE A LITTLE CONVERTIBLE, A LITTLE SCION TC EVERYTHING, EVERY THREE MINUTES, EVERY TWO MINUTES.
AND, UH, IT, IT'S TERRIBLE FOR MY VEHICLE.
UH, BUT I, I SAY ALL THAT BECAUSE, UM, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND WHEN THE FLOODING HAPPENS, HOW THE MUD SUPERSEDES OVER THE ROADWAY AND THEN IT TURNS TO SAND AND THEN IT CREATES ANOTHER ISSUE.
AND, UH, BUT THE REASON FOR MY WINTER PREPAREDNESS, UM, ACTUALLY IS TO, TO GET TO KNOW THE CHAPTERS A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE WE, WE ELECT THESE PEOPLE TO KNOW THE COMMUNITY, TO KNOW THE AREA AND TO REPORT BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ON WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE ISSUE AND HOW CAN WE HELP.
UM, I, I MENTIONED THAT I'M BIG ON WRITING GRANTS.
UM, I TALK, I LIKE TO TACKLE THINGS HEAD ON.
AND IF IT'S A CONVERSATION TO HAVE ALL THE IMPORTANT PARTIES AT THE TABLE TO ADDRESS DISTRICT NUMBER ONE WITH NAVAJO COUNTY, LET'S DO IT.
LET'S FIND OUT, UM, AT THE NAVAJO NATION LEVEL WHAT CAN BE OF, YOU KNOW, MORE HELP.
I WILL SAY, THIS ISN'T QUITE MY SCOPE OF WORK, BUT I CAN MAKE IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE MITIGATION TO ME.
UM, AND THEN THE CDL, JUST REALLY QUICK AND SIMPLE, THE, I I BELIEVE THAT A PURPOSE FOR A CDL CERTIFICATION OR A CERTIFICATION, UH, FOR MOTOR GRADERS IS JUST LIABILITY.
I HAVE TO HAVE A CERTIFICATION TO DRIVE MY TRIBAL VEHICLE, AND THAT'S FOR LIABILITY PURPOSES.
UM, I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED LOCAL, LOCAL GRAD DOESN'T REQUIRE VERIFICATION, BUT YOU GUYS REQUIRE THAT THE OPERATORS HAVE, ALL OPERATORS HAVE CERTAIN LIABILITY.
SO THE CHAPTERS JUST HAVE EQUIPMENT SITTING IN THEIR RUSTING AWAY.
THEY, THEY REPORT TO A, WHAT YOU WOULD SAY, THEY, THEY REPORT
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TO A DEPARTMENT CALLED THE, UH, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SOMETHING TO FLAG WITH NEEDS HEALTH AND COMMUNITY NEEDS HEALTH, THEY DON'T EXACTLY.
AND, UH, GREATER JUST RUSTING AWAY OR HOWEVER MANY, WHEN WAS THE PARENTS ACT LIKE THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO? OH, I AGREE.
MAYBE WE CAN CALL ON THE CHAPTER OFFICIALS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS AND WHATNOT AND GET THE PEOPLE INVOLVED WHO SHOULD GET INVOLVED.
IF I CAN ADD SOME CONTEXT AND, AND RELATING TO THESE EQUIPMENTS THAT ARE SITTING THERE.
BUT, UM, JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT PART IS YEAH, MAJORITY OF THESE HEAVY EQUIPMENTS WERE PURCHASED UNDER THE CARES THAT, AND SO AT THAT TIME WAS A DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION, A DIFFERENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR DIVISION OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THEN WORKING WITH ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE CENTERS.
SO THEY DEVELOPED THE TEMPLATE, WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE HEAVY THE CHAPTERS HEAVY EQUIPMENT POLICY AND PROCEDURE.
AND IN THAT POLICY AND PROCEDURE THAT WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE REVIEW PROCESSES IN DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE REINFORCED IT THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CVL IN ORDER TO USE THESE HEAVY EQUIPMENTS THAT ARE THE CHAPTER.
SO SOME OF THEM ARE, I GUESS, UM, NOT WANTING TO GET A CVL, UH, 'CAUSE THEY'RE STILL USED TO THE OLD, THE, THEIR OWN CHAPTERS IS, UM, HOT HEAVY EQUIPMENT POLICY.
UM, LIKE FOR INSTANCE FOR MY CHAPTER, WE HAD EQUIPMENT THAT WAS ALREADY THERE THAT WAS PURCHASED UNDER NAVAJO DESIGN COMMISSION AND THE CARES ACT HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT WAS THAT PURCHASE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT.
SO WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE POLICIES.
ONE WE CAN USE HOWEVER WE FEEL LIKE IT 'CAUSE IT WASN'T BOUGHT WITH
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THOSE GUIDELINES THAT WERE INSTITUTED UNDER THAT DIVISION OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, FOR THE CHAPTERS ON THAT PART, JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT CONTEXT TO, SO YOU HAVE UNDERSTAND WHY THE CDL REQUIREMENTS ARE THERE AND SOME OF THE CHAPTERS ARE NOT WANTING TO APPROVE THEM AND ALL OF THEM HAVE TO APPROVE THAT POLICY.
I ALL ABOUT PROVIDING SOME ANSWERS IF AND, UH, WHEREVER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CAN STEP IN FOR THE NAVAJO NATION.
FIRST OFF, I JUST WANT TO SAY SHARON, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE WITH US.
KIND OF THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM YOU AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I'M HEARING CORRECTLY.
BUT FIRST OFF, UM, YOU DID A GOOD JOB KIND OF EXPLAIN YOUR BACKGROUND AND WHAT YOU DID AND THEN CAME COMING BACK.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE COME WITH EXPERTISE IN KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND THEN THE THING THAT I WANT TO REALLY SAY THANK YOU FOR IS WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCED FROM YOU SO FAR IS AN ATTITUDE OF, UH, HOW CAN I HELP? UM, YOU'VE CLEARLY DEFINED LINES OF AREAS THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE AUTHORITY TO HELP, IN OTHER WORDS THAT YOU DON'T, BUT STILL ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO TRY TO PARTNER AND HELP.
AND WE WANT TO DO THE SAME THING AS NAVAJO COUNTY.
WE WANT TO TRY AND FIND INTO WAYS TO BE ABLE TO, TO PARTNER AND HELP PEOPLE, BUT WE'RE RESPECTING, UM, THE JURISDICTIONS AND WHAT PEOPLE HAVE ISN'T THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
SO GOING BACK TO THIS, AND, AND THIS IS FROM MY CLARITY AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER, I DON'T KNOW.
SO PLEASE NO, I'M ASKING 'CAUSE UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, UM, SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST WHERE THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT THESE ROADS AND, AND THEY ARE, AND AND YOU'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT AND SUPERVISOR AL HAS ACKNOWLEDGED SOME OF THOSE ROADS ARE ARE PRETTY BAD.
BUT WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UM, ROADS THAT WE CAN SERVICE AND ROADS THAT WE CAN'T, IT'S UNDER THE CONTEXT OF THE THEY, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO JUST GO AND DO IT AS WE WANT TO.
THERE ARE TIMES THAT WE CAN PARTNER, BUT THE PARTNERSHIP WE DON'T LEAD OUT ON.
UM, THEY DO SO ON THESE ROADS THAT ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT AS I'VE UNDERSTOOD IT.
AND I WANT TO HEAR LIKE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND IT DIFFERENTLY, THE ROADS THAT ARE UP ON THE NATION, THE NATION OWNS THOSE ROADS SO WE DON'T GET TO LEAD OUT AND GO MAKE DECISIONS AND JUST, JUST IF A ROAD'S BAD, IF WE SHOWED UP AND STARTED GOING AND TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THE ROAD, IT'D BE INAPPROPRIATE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT OUR ROAD AND WE'RE ACTING OUT OF ALIGNMENT WITH NAVAJO NATION AND WHAT THEY'RE WALKING WITH IT.
WE WOULD NEED TO BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM AND LOOKING FOR WAYS TO PARTNER.
BUT IF THEIR ROAD IS THAT ACCURATE? NOT QUITE.
UH, AND I SEE SUPERVISOR PEKAY LOOKING AT ME
UM, NOW IT, IT COMES DOWN TO JURISDICTION AND I WILL TELL YOU JUST A SHORT ANSWER, MY PERSONAL MY PERSONAL ANSWER, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF VEN O 'CAUSE I HAVE A, A VERY, UH, AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH VEN O IS IF YOU CAN HELP, PLEASE
BUT, UM, LET'S TAKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ROAD A, ROAD B, ROW C, UH, ROAD A IS IS NAVAJO
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COUNTY, UH, ROAD.AND THEN, I MEAN, EVEN FURTHER THAN THAT, IS IT A BIA ROAD? IS IT A US HIGHWAY ROAD? IS IT AN ARIZONA ROAD? IS IT A, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO, WHO TRULY IS THE JURISDICTION OF THAT? AND IT'S THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME AS UM, MAYBE YOUR RESPECTIVE RESPECTIVE DISTRICT AREAS.
UH, WHAT WERE YOU? DISTRICT THREE? DISTRICT THREE.
YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR ROADS, UM, MAJORITY ARE PROBABLY US HIGHWAY, NO, NO STATE ROUTES.
WE HAVE STATE ROUTES, WE HAVE A NUMBER, WE HAVE SOME STATE ROUTES.
SO ON THE STATE ROADS WE WOULDN'T, WE HAVE TO GO GET CORRECTION FROM THE STATE OR WORK WITH THE STATE THAT THEY LEAD OUT ON.
AND THEN LIKE CITIES AND TOWNS, WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION THERE.
SO WE CAN'T JUST GO WORK INSIDE OF LIKE A CITY OR TOWN ON THEIR ROADS.
THE ONLY ROADS THAT WE REALLY CAN GO AND ACTIVELY WORK ON IN DISTRICT THREE ARE ROADS THAT THE COUNTY ACTUALLY OWNS.
AND SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY ROADS WE OWN IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION AT ALL.
SO WE CAN'T GO AND WORK ON THOSE.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE INTERESTING JURISDICTIONS BECAUSE WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TOWNS.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE OUR CHAPTERS AND THEN THEIR, THEIR MILEAGE OF LIKE JURISDICTION.
BUT MORE OR LESS, A LOT OF THE ROADS THAT WE HAVE ON THE NAVAJO NATION, UM, ARE EITHER BIA ROADS OR UM, NAVAJO ROUTES OR INDIAN ROUTES.
UH, A LOT OF THEY, AND THEY VARY OR MY FAVORITE, UM, COUNTY ROADS, UH, I SAY MY FAVORITE BECAUSE, UH, I PERSONALLY THINK PUBLIC WORKS FROM ANY COUNTY.
BUT THE, UH, YEAH, IT, IT KIND OF COMES DOWN TO WHAT THEY SEE AS A PRIORITY IN, IN FUNDING.
SO, UM, A LOT OF WHAT I KEEP, LIKE THIS ALARM THAT GOES OFF IN MY HEAD IS SOMETIMES IT STARTS AT THE CHAPTER LEVEL.
AND UH, THIS IS HOW IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT APACHE COUNTY JURISDICTION, UH, IN REGARDS TO WENT TO PREPAREDNESS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF ROADS THAT THEY MANAGE ON THE NAVAJO NATION AND THEY, THEY'RE GO-GETTERS.
THEY TAKE CARE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR ROADS UP TO A CERTAIN POINT AND THEN THEY LEAVE THE REST TO UM, YOU KNOW, END DAUGHTER BIA.
UM, IF A CHAPTER IS LOUD ENOUGH, THEY'RE HAPPY TO HELP.
THEY MAKE IT A PRIORITY, THEY FIND IT INTO THEIR BUDGET.
BUT THAT'S IF A CHAPTER IS LOUD ENOUGH, THAT IS IF SOMEONE IS GOING UP TO BAT FOR THEM LOUD ENOUGH.
UH, AND THAT'S WHERE, AND WITH, WITH LOUD ENOUGH WITH WHO, UH, WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE COUNTY SUPERVISORS, WITH THE, UH, DISTRICT SUPERVISORS.
UM, AND THEN THEY MAKE IT A PRIORITY FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE ROAD MAINTENANCE AND WHATNOT.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BACK, BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION ON, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE ROADS AND, AND MAYBE NOT PRIORITY, BUT WHERE THEY GO AND THEY, THEY, THEY FIX CERTAIN AREAS.
IT, THE JURISDICTION VARIES, BUT, UM, I, UNLESS YOU ARE, I GUESS IT DEPENDS.
UM, WE HAD A FLOODING IN SHIPROCK AND THERE WAS A BIA ROAD THAT NEEDED TO BE REPAIRED FROM FLOODING DAMAGE.
THE COMMUNITY DID NOT WANT, UM, OUTSIDE RESOURCES TO FIX THE ROAD.
IT WAS A COMMUNITY OF ABOUT 300 INDIVIDUALS AND IT WAS ONE FAMILY THAT WAS LOUD ENOUGH THAT SAID, WE DON'T WANT ANY FIXING ON THIS ROAD.
BUT IT WAS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT SUFFERED.
UM, AND YOU GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF POLITICS, BUT, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, I WOULD THINK THAT IT, IT JUST, IT DEPENDS ON JURISDICTION.
IF NAVAJO COUNTY WANTS TO WORK ON A ROAD THAT IS THEIR ROAD, I DON'T SEE WHY THEY SHOULDN'T OR CAN'T OR DON'T WANNA WORK ON THAT ROAD.
THE DIFFERENCE IS NAVAJO COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE OWN ROADS UP THERE.
THERE'S A, THERE IS A VAST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTIES.
THEY ARE NOT COUNTY ROADS UP THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE COUNTY ROADS AND UP THERE.
UM, THAT'S WHY I WAS GONNA COMMENT, BUT I WAS OTHER, AND, AND SO, BUT WE DO HAVE AN, WE DO HAVE A MASTER INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE DT, UM, THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS AND SO FORTH.
BUT, UM, BUT IN LIEU OF, OF NOT HAVING A COUNT A COUNTY ROAD ON THERE AND WE'RE ABLE TO UTILIZE UM, OUR, HER FRIENDS WHICH WEREN'T, UM, READILY AVAILABLE FOR US TO USE ON RESERVATION ROAD TOWER WHERE OUR PREDECESSORS SUPERVISOR DALE AND SUPERVISED, MAINLY SUPERVISOR THOMPSON AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THAT, UM, CHANGE IN STATUTE TO ALLOW FOR COUNTIES TO USE HER REVENUES ON THE RESERVATION FOR BIA AND DT ROADS.
SO WE, AND SO THAT'S HOW WE, WE UTILIZE THEM.
BUT I KNOW THAT IN THE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS AND LIKE YOU AND LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED, YOU SAID EDUCATION, UM, OUTREACH, THOSE ARE THE MAIN POINTS THAT WE DO.
AND I TELL THEM, I GO, UM, WHEN I CAME ON BOARD IT AS IT IS, WE DON'T HAVE COUNTY ROADS AND I
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REINFORCE THAT AT EVERY PLANNING MEETING, EVERY CHAPTER MEETING THAT I ATTEND.AND I'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
SO I INGRAINED THAT TO ALL MY CHAPTER OFFICIALS WITHIN MY DISTRICT.
BUT I GO, BUT I'M NOT SAYING NO, DON'T SEND ME YOUR YOUR REQUEST.
I SAID, STILL SEND IT TO ME AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL CHANNEL IT TO THE APPROPRIATE INDIVIDUAL WITH EITHER CENTRAL BIA
AND THEN WE'LL ALSO KEEP THE EXECUTIVE NDOT DIRECTOR AND HIS STAFF A PART OF THAT COMMUNICATION.
AND THEN YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN SOME OF THE ONES THAT I FORWARDED THAT CAME FROM HARD ROCK.
I SAID, KAT, CAN YOU SEND THIS OUT TO ND DT? 'CAUSE AT THAT TIME WE WEREN'T TOO SURE WHO THE INDIVIDUAL WAS, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH GETTING TWO DIFFERENT EMAILS PRIOR TO YOU COMING ON BOARD.
AND, AND SO THAT'S HOW WE SORT OF LIKE MAKE SURE THAT IS THERE AS FAR AS THE COMMUNICATION 'CAUSE LIKE IT IS, WE DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE ANY EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
UM, WHEN THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER ONE LIKE POPPING UP AND THEN COME TO FIND OUT THERE'S TWO IN ONE LOCATION WHERE ONE COULD HAVE GONE TO THIS SIDE AND I KNOW THAT WHEN THERE'S A DECLARATION IN EMERGENCY CAD IS ON IS ON THE BALL AND TO LET US KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON AND HAS, SHE'S WORKED WITH HARLAN AND ROSE AND SO FORTH ON, IN THOSE AREAS.
UM, BUT I, IT, IT JUST COMES DOWN AS TO, AND I KNOW THAT ON OUR MEETINGS WITH NATIONAL DIVISION OF TRANSPORTATION, UM, MR. POTRO HAD INDICATED THAT HE DID A WHOLE RESTRUCTURING OF THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION AND THEY'RE NO LONGER AT 60 EMPLOYEES.
THERE ARE OVER 130 I BELIEVE IT'S NOW.
AND THEY STILL HAVE SOME HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS THAT ARE TRANSITIONING FROM A TEMPORARY STATUS TO A PERMANENT POSITION, WHICH THE NICK, WHICH UM, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THAT WE'RE PRIVY TO THAT KIND OF INFORMATION, BUT THAT'S NOT, HAS IT BEEN SHARED WITH THE CHAPTERS.
BUT THAT TRANSITION AND AGAIN, PROVIDING THOSE DURING HIS OUTREACH NEEDS IS GOING TO BECOME MORE EVIDENT, UM, I THINK WITHIN THE YEAR BASED ON OUR COMMUNICATION WITH HIM.
BUT YEAH, THERE'S SOME TIMES THAT WE JUST, I I KNOW FOR ONE, HAVING HIM BEING A TRANSPORTATION PROJECT COORDINATOR FOR THE COUNTY, THAT THERE'S LINES THAT I CAN'T PASS AS AN ACCOUNTING EMPLOYEE, EVEN AS A COUNTY SUPERVISOR.
SO I'VE BEEN UH, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS, IS IN THE PROCESS AS FAR AS WHAT EMERGENCY, UM, COORDINATION IS NEEDED AS FAR AS THE, THE RESOURCES THAT IS REQUESTED.
AND SOME REQUESTS, SOME CHAPTERS WILL SAY, CAN, UM, WE DON'T HAVE BAGS, WE HAVE COAL.
CAN YOU AND WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL WORK AND PROVIDE THEM SANDBAGS SO THAT THEY CAN GET THEIR ELDERS CAN GET THEIR COALS AND SO FORTH.
SMALL REQUESTS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
BUT UM, MAJOR ONES, IT WOULD NEED THE PROPER COORDINATION.
UM, BECAUSE IF I WERE TO SAY I WANT MY UH, OPERATOR TO COME TO UM, HARD ROCK, BUT THEN NEXT THING YOU KNOW, HARD ROCK DOES HAVE THEIR HOT HARD ROCK DOES HAVE THEIR EQUIPMENT THERE AND THEN THERE BY THE TIME WE THE, YOU CALCULATE THE WINDSHIELD TO MOBILIZING THE WINDSHIELD TIME, I MEAN THAT ROAD, THAT HIGH SNOW DRIFT MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN CLEARED BY BY A HARD ROCK, UM, OPERATOR.
SO SOMETIMES WE JUST TRY TO, ARE CAREFUL IN OUR RESPONSE.
WE TRY TO RESPOND BACK, UM, IMMEDIATELY JUST ENSURING THAT THE APPROPRIATE INDIVIDUALS ARE ON THAT PART.
SO, BUT I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW THE FURTHER NORTH YOU GO THE HIGHER SNOW LEVEL, BUT THEN LIKE IN MINE IS LIKE FROM HARD ROCK DOWN IS A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER, BUT A LOT OF OUR PEOPLE, UM, THAT ARE ACCUSTOMED TO THAT KIND OF WEATHER, UM, REALLY DON'T MAKE ANY NOISE UNLESS IT'S INDIVIDUALS THAT JUST UM, MOVE BACK ONTO THE RESERVATION WILL GET INQUIRES AND PHONE CALLS AND REQUESTS AND EMAILS AND SO FORTH.
AND WE TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT'S GOING ON AND UM, BUT AS IT IS COMMUNICATION IS IS THE KEY.
AND I THINK WE HAVE THAT HERE AT THE COUNTY WITH OUR TEAM.
SO I HAVE A REQUEST IS THAT THE NOAL COUNTY AND BIA AND THAT NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE CHANGED THE OPERATOR BACK TO BIA BECAUSE BIA ALWAYS TELLING ME I NEED HELP.
I SAY, WELL WE DON'T HAVE AN OPERATOR UNDER
HOWEVER, LET REGION CHINLE AGENCY NEEDS HELP AND MY COMMUNITY NEEDS HELP AND WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT AROUND AGAIN WHERE MY
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GRADERS SITTING SOMEWHERE ALSO RESTING AWAY FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS NOT BEING UTILIZED AND WE NEED TO UTILIZE IT FOR THAT AREA.UM, SO WE NEED TO JUMPSTART THIS THING AND GET, GET TO WORK, DO SOMETHING FOR THOSE ROADS.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT ROCHELLE AND MAN CAN JUMP INTO.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN I ASK INDIVIDUALS, THEY JUST SAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? AND HERE IT IS, WHAT WERE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO? THERE'S THEIR JOB IN THAT BRA AND I'M NOT, UM, I'M NOT THE EXPERT AT A VIRGIN SCHOOL, SO WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU SHOULD DO? DON'T ASK ME WHAT YOU OR YOU TO DO BECAUSE WHAT IS YOUR NEXT STEP IN YOUR EMERGENCY GUIDELINES? WHAT WOULD YOU DO? 'CAUSE YOU'RE THE EXPERT IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
YOU NEED TO DO WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS.
STAND UP AND SWITCH YOUR LEGS AND I'LL SWITCH OVER OR CODY AND WHAT ONE SORRY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS IF WE SENT OUT WHAT'S CALLED A SIGNIFICANT INCIDENT.
IT JUST CAME IN TEXT OR EMAIL.
WHEN THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT INCIDENT HAPPEN IN THE COUNTY, WHETHER IT BE THE SHERIFF'S, WHETHER IT BE A BRIDGE GO OUT, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING HAPPENS JUST A BLIP THAT YOU GET AN EMAIL OR A TEXT MIGHT BE IN A FIVE HOUR MEETING SO THEY MIGHT BE OUT TOWN AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A SITUATION THAT'S KIND OF, I'M NOT CALLING EMERGENCY OR ANYTHING, I CALLING IT SIGNIFICANT INCIDENT.
YOU HAVE TO JUST KEEP US ALL, DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND.
I MEAN, BRIAN, YOU'RE VERY GOOD AT LETTING SOMETHING MAJOR HAPPENS, BUT A SIGNIFICANT INCIDENT THAT JUST KIDNAPPING A SHOOTING, YOU KNOW, STABBING IT JUST, IT JUST AWARE OF IT COULD BE SOUTH COUNTY, A LITTLE DARK IN THERE.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER, UM, MASSIFICATION THAT'S NOT IPO WE HAVE EVER BRIDGE.
WE HAVE THE SAME THING YOU GUYS DO.