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OKAY, WELL, LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY WAITING OUTSIDE ANYMORE.I'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER OF THE NAVAJO COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR, UH, OCTOBER 17TH, 2024.
IF YOU PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO IN PUBLIC, FOR WHICH STANDS STAND ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU AND WELCOME, AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE SUCH A GOOD TURNOUT TONIGHT.
UM, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN AND, AND BEING WILLING TO PARTICIPATE.
SO GONNA GONNA TAKE CARE OF A COUPLE ITEMS, UH, HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY DID GET SIGNED IN.
UM, I JUST ADDRESSED THE SLIPS OF PAPER, A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING.
IF YOU NEED TO TAKE A PHONE CALL, WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE TO DO THAT INTO THE LOBBY.
IF YOU NEED TO USE THE RESTROOMS, THEY'RE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE WALL BEHIND YOU IN THE HALLWAY BACK THERE, BUT WE ASK THAT YOU NOT WANDER THROUGH THE BUILDING.
WE HAVE THE CUSTODIAL TEAMS IN HERE CLEANING TONIGHT.
SO WE WANNA CONFINE OUR ACTIVITY TO THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WE HAVE FOUR HEARINGS TONIGHT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REVIEWING, AND I WANT TO JUST BRIEFLY GO OVER THE FORMAT FOR THAT SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT'LL BE THE SAME FOR ALL FOUR HEARINGS.
FIRST, WE'LL HAVE THE STAFF MAKE A PRESENTATION ON THAT ITEM.
THEN WE WILL HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER OR THE APPLICANT.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ADD ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE TO THE COMMISSION.
UH, THEN AT THAT POINT, WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND FIRST WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THOSE THAT ARE IN FAVOR.
AND THE PROCESS HERE IS WE NEED YOU TO COME UP TO THE MIC.
YOU'LL NEED TO SPEAK YOUR NAME AND WHAT YOUR PHYSICAL ADDRESS IS.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
AND WE ASK WITH ALL THE PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A, UH, QUITE A FEW THAT WANNA SPEAK.
WE'RE ASKING YOU TO NOT REPEAT WHAT MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE HAS ALREADY SAID.
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE THE HEARING FORWARD.
SO IF YOU CAN, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING NEW TO ADD OR ANOTHER CONCERN TO BRING UP, WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO HEAR THAT.
SO AFTER WE'VE HEARD FROM ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, THEN WE WILL OPEN THE FLOW UP TO THOSE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, NEED YOU TO COME UP STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR PHYSICAL ADDRESS.
AND EACH, EACH PERSON SPEAKING WILL BE LIMITED.
WE'VE GOT A TIMER SET, SORRY, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY, BUT YOU GET THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR CASE.
SO AT THE END OF THAT TIME, WE WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE DEVELOPER OR THE APPLICANT SO THEY CAN MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS OR ASK SOME OF THE, UM, UH, ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MAYBE HAVE COME UP BY THE PUBLIC DURING THE PUBLIC, UH, THE PUBLIC, UM, ADDRESS PERIOD.
AND THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE STAFF MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT THEY CHOOSE TO MAKE ABOUT THAT HEARING ITEM.
THEN IT WILL GET TURNED OVER TO THE COMMISSION TO RENDER A DECISION AND RENDERING A DECISION.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS ALL WE'RE DOING IS MAKING A DECISION WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE FINAL DECISION IS NOT MADE BY THIS, THIS, THIS COMMISSION.
IT IS MADE BY YOUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO KIND OF HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE FORMAT THAT WE FOLLOW.
[1. REVIEW OF AGENDA BY COMMISSIONERS: ]
ON TO THE AGENDA, UH, REVIEWING THE AGENDA BY THE COMMISSIONERS.UH, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS SEE ANY CHANGES TO THE ITEM NUMBERS OR ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE AGENDA TONIGHT? OKAY.
[2. CALL TO PUBLIC FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA: Individuals may address the Commission on any relevant issue for up to 3 minutes. At the close of the call to the public, Commission members may not respond to any comments but may respond to criticism, ask staff to review a matter or ask that a matter be placed on a future agenda.]
IS A PORTION OF THE HEARING WHERE WE HAVE A CALL TO THE PUBLIC FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON OUR AGENDA.KIND OF AN INTERESTING TWIST TO IT, BUT IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING A CONCERN BEFORE THE COMMISSION, YOU CAN DO THAT NOW.
BUT IT CANNOT BE AN AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT.
IT CAN BE SOMETHING TOTALLY UNRELATED.
AGAIN, YOU WOULD HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO US.
WE CANNOT RESPOND TO WHATEVER THAT THOSE COMMENTS ARE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO GET OFF YOUR CHEST OR SOMETHING YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES DURING THIS PERIOD.
THEY CALL IT THE CALL TO THE PUBLIC.
YOU CAN ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
UM, THEN THERE'S, UM, GONNA BE THE CON CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE, ONTO ALL THE HEARINGS.
SO AT THIS POINT IN THE AGENDA, IS THERE ANYBODY SITTING OUT HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ABOUT ANY ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY.
NOT SEEING ANYBODY THAT HAS ANY NEED TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION.
[3. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE COMMISSION HEARING OF: August 15th, 2024.]
MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE COMMISSION HEARING OF AUGUST 15, 15TH.UH, DOES ANY OF THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANYTHING THAT WAS ANY CHANGES DELETIONS, UH, THAT WERE FOR THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 15TH
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MEETING? OKAY, THEN I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION.MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
I WILL, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF AUGUST THE 12TH OR 15TH.
AND SECOND AND ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WE ARE HEARING FROM EVERYBODY ON AYE.
[4. TP 24-001 HIGH PINES ESTATES TENTATIVE PLAT, DISTRICT III/IV: Consideration of a request for a Tentative Plat to allow for a 100-lot single-family residential subdivision named High Pines Estates. The site is zoned Special Development (SD) on two parcels, which total 93.60-acres. APN# 208-03-002A & 002B, T11N, R18E, S03 & 09 of the GSRM. Owner: High Pines Estates LLC. Agent: Travis Barney. ]
MOVING ON TO OUR FIRST HEARING ITEM.UH, IT'S A TENTATIVE PLAT FOR 24.
IT'S, UH, TP ITEM TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 1 HIGH PINES ESTATE, TENTATIVE PLAT DISTRICT THREE AND FOUR, CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST FOR A TENTATIVE PLAT TO ALLOW FOR A HUNDRED LOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SUBDIVISION NAMED HIGH PINES ESTATES.
THE SITE IS ZONED SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT ON TWO PARCELS, WHICH TOTALED 93.6 ACRES APNS 2 0 8 DASH OH 3 0 2 AND OH OH OH OH TWO A AND OH TWO B.
THIS IS IN TOWNSHIP 11 NORTH RANGE 18 EAST SECTIONS THREE AND NINE OF THE GILA SALT RIUM SA GILA ASSAULT.
SALT RIVER MERIDIAN OWNER IS HIGH PINES ESTATES LLC, AND THE AGENT IS TRAVIS BARNEY.
THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UM, YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THIS ITEM.
IT WAS FIRST IN FRONT OF YOU THIS YEAR, IN JULY OF THIS YEAR AT THAT HEARING, IT WAS TABLED UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
UH, WE HAD A CANCELLATION OF THAT MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, SO NOW IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, THERE WERE REQUESTS FROM COMMISSIONERS, BUT JUST DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME, I'M GOING TO, UH, TRY TO DO A QUICK REFRESHER FOR EVERYONE HERE ON WHAT WE HAD SINCE IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS.
ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA POINT FOR THE SLIDE CHANGES HERE.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH THIS LATELY.
WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE HERE.
YOU CAN RUN TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE AS WELL.
SO YOU'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE SUMMARY FOR THIS, FOR THE MOST PART THERE, UH, CHAIR SMITH, BUT THIS IS ON TWO PARCELS, UH, APPROXIMATELY A TOTAL OF 93.6 ACRES.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT DUE TO A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE PAST.
THE OWNER HAS HIGH PINES OF ESTATES.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE SUMMARY OF DESCRIPTION, THERE WOULD BE A HUNDRED SINGLE FAMILY LOTS WITH OPTIONS FOR 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR BEDROOM HOMES.
THE PRIMARY ACCESS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ACROSS, UH, FROM STATE ROUTE TWO 60.
AND THE DEVELOPER HAS PROPOSED SECONDARY EMERGENCY EGRESS GOING THROUGH, UH, THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY ONTO FOREST SERVICE ROAD 3 32 AS PROPOSED.
THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 6.54 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED HERE, THEY, THEY MIRROR THE R ONE 10 WITH THIS SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'VE PUT IN.
UM, SO THAT'S 20 FEET IN THE FRONT AND REAR 10 FEET IN THE SIDES.
THE DEVELOPER HAS PROPOSED THAT THEY WOULD BRING IN A NEW WATER SYSTEM, UM, SO THEY WOULD CONSTRUCT A, WELL, THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE SOME WATER STORAGE TANKS PLACED ON SITE.
AND THEN THE DEVELOPER HAS PROPOSED PAVED ROADS THAT WOULD MEET THE MINIMUM COUNTY STANDARDS AND HAS PROPOSED INDIVIDUAL SEPTIC SYSTEMS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
THIS IS THE VICINITY MAP, UM, FOR ALL OF THOSE HERE.
UH, SO THIS IS ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF MILES TO THE EAST OF THE, UH, RIGHT AS YOU COME INTO OVER GUARD.
THAT'S JUST AN OUTLINE OF THOSE TWO PROPERTIES.
THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SHIFT ON THESE MAPS, BUT THAT MORE OR LESS OUTLINES THE, THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE PAGES.
UM, SO WE GO THROUGH, THIS IS THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THIS, A LARGE PART OF PHASE ONE.
UH, THIS IS THE NEXT PORTION ON IT.
AND WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONERS.
AND THIS IS THE FINAL PORTION OF THE NORTH THERE, WHICH SHOWS THAT, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD GOING TO THE NORTH AND LOOPING AROUND TO FOREST SERVICE 3 32.
UM, SO AT THAT JULY MEETING, THIS ITEM WAS TABLED WITH REQUEST FROM COMMISSIONERS THAT THE APPLICANT GO OUT AND, UH, GET FULL CONFIRMATION FROM THE FOREST SERVICE THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN FOREST SERVICE ROAD 3 32 IF THEY WENT THROUGH TO DO THESE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, TO KEEP THOSE SAFE AND APPROPRIATE FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND THERE WAS ALSO THE REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT GO THROUGH WITH THE ARIZONA GAME AND FISH DEPARTMENT, UM, TO GET THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE SURE THOSE WERE REFRESHED AND, AND ACCOMMODATED HERE.
SO WE, WE HAVE RECEIVED BOTH OF THOSE.
THE FOREST SERVICES SAID THAT THE COUNTY IS ABLE TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO GO THROUGH AND MAINTAIN FOREST SERVICE ROUTE 3 32 SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, OF COURSE, WITH THE FOREST SERVICE OF FOLLOWING THAT.
AND THEN THERE WERE THE, THE TYPICAL RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ARIZONA GAME AND FISH DEPARTMENT.
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THE COMMISSION, THE GAME AND FISH DEPARTMENT, AND THIS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT STATE LAND IS AN ADVISORY AGENCY, UM, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE PUT THROUGH THE ADVICE THAT THEY PUT THROUGH FOR THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS, UM, AS FAR AS KEEPING OPEN AREAS LIKE WASHES FOR ANIMALS USING CERTAIN TYPES OF WILDLIFE FENCING, OR ARE PREFERRED THERE TO HELP WITH SMALL AND LARGE GAME ON SITE.UM, AS NOTED PREVIOUSLY, THIS DOES COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS WAS SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE UPDATE TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REGARDING LOTS UNDER ONE ACRE REQUIRING SEWER.
SO THIS WAS SUBMITTED AND ACCEPTED PRIOR TO THAT DATE.
UM, AND IT IS FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS PROPOSED.
WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE COMMENT NOW FOR THIS PROJECT.
IT WAS NEITHER FOR NOR AGAINST.
IT WAS JUST, UH, HOPING THAT THE, THE DEVELOPER COULD INFORM ANY PURCHASERS THAT ARIZONA IS AN OPEN RANGE, UH, STATE.
UH, MEANING THAT IF ANY PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE CONCERNS OVER CATTLE GETTING ONTO THEIR PROPERTY TO PLEASE FENCE THEM OUT, UM, DON'T SHOOT THEM OR COMPLAIN TO THE, THE RANCHER THEMSELVES, UM, WHICH IS ADVICE WE ALWAYS OFFER TO THE PUBLIC.
IT'S, IT'S THEIR OBLIGATION IN THE COUNTY DEFENSE.
UH, WE DO HAVE THE DEVELOPER, UH, AS WELL AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE HERE, UH, STAFF AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AGAIN, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND IT IS SUBJECT TO 24 CONDITIONS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
DOES THE DEVELOPER OR THE AGENT OKAY, DOUG, THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN HERE TONIGHT.
I LIVE IN SNOWFLAKE AT 1 54 SOUTH, UM, FRONTIER PARKWAY.
AND, UM, CODY COVERED PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT I, I WANTED TO COVER TONIGHT.
UH, COUPLE MORE THINGS, UH, THAT WE GOT OUT OF OUR INFORMATION FROM THE ARIZONA GAME AND FISH.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY EMPHASIZED THEY WANTED TO HAVE A, A WILDLIFE CORRIDOR THROUGH HERE.
I'VE DESIGNED A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS HERE OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS IN NAVAJO COUNTY.
AND, UM, WE NEVER, IT'S USUALLY WE, WE DO, WE, WE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER.
WE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT A LOT OF TIMES WE'VE ALWAYS SOLD WASHES TO PEOPLE.
UM, SO WE CAN SELL MORE PROPERTY.
BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE FLOODWAY AND A LOT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN, AND WE'VE JUST MADE THAT OPEN SPACE.
SO WE'VE GOT A GREAT CORRIDOR GOING THERE THROUGH THERE FOR THE WILDLIFE.
ONE OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO, UH, UM, BE CAREFUL ABOUT HAVING A LOT OF OVERHEAD POWER LINES.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE UNDERGROUND POWER SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MESS AROUND WITH THE BIRDS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE, THE, THE BIRDS GETTING HURT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY HAD IS TO BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR OPEN TRENCHES.
SO WE DON'T HAVE LIVESTOCK OR, OR ANY OF WILD ANIMALS, UH, IN THE OPEN TRENCHES.
SO, UH, THAT'S CERTAINLY A GREAT RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW.
ANOTHER ONE IS TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE A LOT OF LIGHTING.
IT'S NOT PLANNED AT THIS TIME TO HAVE A LOT OF STREET LIGHTS OR, OR ANY, OR ANY LIGHTING IN THE SUBDIVISION.
YOU KNOW, EACH HOME WILL HAVE WHATEVER LIGHTING THEY WANT TO HAVE, BUT WE DON'T INTEND TO HAVE LIGHTING ALONG THE ROADWAYS.
AND, UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS ANY NESTING, UH, AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, THIS WAS, UH, PROPERTY THAT WAS A VICTIM OF RODEO, CHET SKY FIRE.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF TIMBER THAT WAS LOST BACK THEN.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE CAREFUL WITH EVERY TREE THAT WE STILL HAVE LEFT.
SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT EACH OF THOSE TREES BEFORE WE HAVE TO TAKE ANYTHING DOWN FOR A ROAD OR A HOME OR SEPTIC TANK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE'RE CAREFUL WITH ALL THAT.
BUT, UM, I'M HERE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, WE WE'D BE, UH, HAPPY TO ASSIST WITH.
BUT WE DID, AS CODY SAID, HAVE GOOD CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE FOREST SERVICE IN REGARDS TO FOREST SERVICE ROAD AND, AND, UH, GETTING THIS INFORMATION FROM THE GOING TO GAME AND FISH HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL.
AND WE INTEND TO IMPLEMENT THAT INTO THE CCNRS AS NECESSARY.
AND, UM, AS CODY JUST READ, THE OPEN RANGE IS, IS ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE, WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME AS WELL.
SO, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM LATER WHENEVER YOU NEED ME TO.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOU GETTING THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR FROM GAME AND FISH AS WELL AS THE FOREST SERVICE TO CLARIFY SOME OF THIS.
THIS IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
WE WILL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT UP TO, UM, THOSE
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THAT ARE IN FAVOR.I ONLY HAVE THREE THAT ARE RELATING TO THIS HEARING.
SO WE'LL START WITH JASON OWENS IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP.
I APPRECIATE THE MOMENT TO SPEAK TO YOU.
I NEED YOUR NAME AND, AND YOUR PHYSICAL ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UM, I LIVE AT 71 29 ROCKY RIM ROAD IN LINDEN.
ANYWAYS, I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, OUR PAR.
SO I REPRESENT THE FAMILY THAT IS DIRECTLY NORTH OF THIS SUBDIVISION, UH, MR. BARNEY AND, UM, HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US.
UM, I'LL HAVE TO ADMIT, I LOVE MY OPEN SPACE.
BUT I ALSO HAVE FIVE KIDS THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MOVE BACK TO THE MOUNTAINS SOMEDAY.
AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S, THERE IS A LIMIT OF OF PLACES TO LIVE UP HERE.
THE COST OF OF HOMES ARE RIDICULOUS.
WE NEED PLACES, WE NEED SUBDIVISIONS BUILT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO MOVE UP HERE.
UM, MUCH AS I LOVE MY OPEN SPACE, I AM, I LIKE GOOD NEIGHBORS TOO.
SO I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH MR. BARNEY, UM, AS NEEDED.
UM, THERE'S A WILLIAM BIGLER AND, UH, FRANK TALLEY.
FARROW, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED? IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR, I NEED ONE OF YOU TO COME UP NOW.
UH, I OWN PART OF THAT PROPERTY THAT'S JUST NORTH OF THE LAND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
UM, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE IT GO THROUGH, UM, WHEN WE TALKED TO BARNEY, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MAYBE USING, THERE IS AN EXISTING, UH, RIGHT OF WAY TO THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, JUST, UH, TO BRING UP WHAT MY OTHER BROTHERS AND ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THERE'S, UH, AN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY THAT GOES BACK TO 3, 3, 2 THAT DOESN'T GO STRAIGHT THROUGH.
THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE EASIER TO USE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT ACTUALLY DISCUSSED AT ALL TONIGHT.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO THROUGH, BUT IT'S JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'D ACTUALLY SEEN.
SO, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, I HAVE THE PROPERTY JUST NORTH OF THE BIGLER.
UH, MY MAIN CONCERN, I'M NEITHER OPPOSED OR IN FAVOR? OH, I'M SORRY.
UH, 2028, NO, 25 80 FOREST SERVICE ROAD.
IS IT GONNA BE EXITING TO THE NORTHEAST AWAY FROM A, A FIRE THAT WOULD BE, UH, BLOWN BY THOSE WINDS? OR IS IT GOING TO BE GOING BACK DOWN TO TH UH, TWO 60? SO THAT'S MAINLY A QUESTION I HAVE OF THE PROJECT OF WHERE THAT ROAD'S GOING TO BE AND HOW CLOSE IT'S GOING TO BE TO THE PROPERTY THAT I HAVE.
AND WE'LL GET THE, THE, UH, DEVELOPER TO ADDRESS THAT.
WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE DONE, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE OUT HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THE HIGH PINES ESTATE PROJECT? OKAY, MR. PRIMAL, CAN YOU COME UP AND ADDRESS HIS QUESTION ABOUT THE ROAD SITUATION AND THE, THE FIRE, YOU KNOW, THERE, ACTUALLY, THERE WERE TWO ABOUT THE ROADS.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT OR EXPLAIN HOW YOU ENDED UP WHERE YOU'RE AT NOW AND HOW THAT YES, THANK YOU.
UM, SO, UH, AS YOU RECALL, WHEN, UH, WE BROUGHT THIS SUBDIVISION FORWARD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UH, AT THAT TIME WE HAD THE SECONDARY INGRESS EGRESS,
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UH, SHOWN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE, UM, THE NORTH EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY.I'M NOT SURE IF WE COULD POSSIBLY BRING UP A MAP OF THE SUBDIVISION.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK SHE COULD SECTION, UM, THE ACTUAL SUBDIVISION BE THE FURTHEST NORTH SECTION, UH, THE FURTHEST NORTH ONE.
SO I THINK IT WAS, UH, SLIDE THREE OF THE SUBDIVISION THERE.
SO, UH, THAT'S PERFECT RIGHT THERE.
SO A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I'M TRYING TO SHARE THE SCREEN SO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS CAN SEE IT THERE.
YOU GUYS DON'T MIND TURNING AROUND BACK THERE.
SO, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, ACTUALLY, PROBABLY 10 YEARS AGO, THIS, THIS PROJECT, AS, AS YOU REMEMBER, THIS PROJECT'S BEEN IN THE DESIGN FOR SINCE OH EIGHT.
BUT AT ONE TIME WE STILL HAVE AN EASEMENT THAT ACTUALLY COMES UP AND COMES OVER HERE.
AND THEN, UH, IN BETWEEN COUPLE YEARS AGO AND NOW FROM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, SOME OF THE FAMILY WAS MORE INTERESTED IN HAVING US COME THIS WAY AND THEN COME BACK OVER AND TIE IN TO 3 32.
AND SO WE HAVE THIS EASEMENT IN PLACE RIGHT NOW AS WELL.
THIS EASEMENT RIGHT HERE HAS NOT BEEN RESCINDED.
SO AT THIS POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PERMISSION TO GO EITHER WAY, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY WORK WITH THE BIGLER FAMILY TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT.
IF THEY DO WANT US TO COME BACK LIKE THIS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL MAKE HAPPEN.
IF THEY WANT US TO COME THIS WAY, WE'LL MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
IF THEY WANT US TO COME OVER HERE AND ZIGZAG RIGHT OVER HERE, WE'LL MAKE THAT HAPPEN AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, THIS, THEY HAVE, UH, SEVERAL FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAVE SPLIT THE PROPERTY AND EACH ONE HAS INDIVIDUAL INTERESTS.
AND SO WE RESPECT THAT AND WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM AND, AND PUT IT WHEREVER THEY WANT.
UM, THE WHOLE PURPOSE FOR THIS SECONDARY INGRESS EGRESS, AS YOU KNOW, AND THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS ROADWAY, SO WE CAN HAVE EMERGENCY SERVICES COME TO THE SITE, UM, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WARNING AND THE EASIEST WAY IN AND OUTTA HERE WILL BE OUT OF THE HIGHWAY.
BUT IF IT'S, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT POPS UP QUICKLY, I THINK THAT HIGHWAY TWO 60 AND FOREST SERVICE 3 3 3 32 ARE BOTH GONNA BE TOUGH WAYS TO GET OUT.
AND SO IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY NICE TO, TO HAVE SOMETHING EITHER GOING OUT THE NORTH HERE OR COMING OUT HERE.
BUT WE'RE GONNA BE RELYING ON OTHER FOREST SERVICE ROADS AND, AND COUNTY ROADS THAT TAKE US OVER TO 2 77, I'M SURE.
BUT IF, YOU KNOW, IT ALL DEPENDS UPON HOW FAST THE FIRES HIT.
UH, IF WE'RE ABLE TO LEARN ABOUT IT, THAT'S REALLY AIRPLANES ONLY FORM OF EGRESS IN OUR FORM OF EGRESS OF IF IT'S COMPANY IS COMING FROM THE SOUTHWEST AS AS MENTIONED EARLIER.
SO, UM, BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE BIGLER.
THEY'VE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS AND WE'VE, UH, WE'RE WILLING TO DO WHATEVER THEY'D LIKE US TO DO.
SO IT'D ACTUALLY BE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR US TO TAKE THE, TAKE THE SHORTER ROUTE.
BUT, UM, WE'LL JUST WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, WE'LL WORK WITH THEM AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND, UH, HAVE IT SHOWN ON OUR FINER PLAT.
WE'LL, WE'LL TELL WITH THE EASEMENTS IN PLACE.
DOES STAFF HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THIS? I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE THING FOR, UH, THIS ITEM IN THE LATER TENTATIVE PLAT.
UM, SO FOR THESE TWO, THEY WOULD BE FINAL HERE TONIGHT FOR THE COMMISSION FOR THAT SPECIFIC DOCUMENT.
UM, YOU ARE CORRECT THOUGH IT, IT'S NOT FINAL FOR THE PROJECT.
THERE, THERE IS STILL A FINAL PLAT THAT WOULD'VE TO GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT JUST EITHER WAY FOR BOTH OF THESE, UH, PROPOSED TENTATIVE PLATS THAT THE MOTION WOULD BE FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL AS YOU GO THROUGH YOUR DISCUSSION.
WELL, WE'VE CLOSED A PUBLIC HEARING SESSION OR THE PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION, SO,
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UH, TURN THIS OVER TO THE COMMISSION.ANY DISCUSSION, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS COMING FROM THE COMMISSION? MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, SIR, THE, IS THERE GONNA BE A HOA PART OF THIS COMMUNITY? YES, THERE'LL BE AN HOA, THERE'LL BE A WATER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, AND THE MAINTENANCE FOR THE FOREST SERVICE ROAD WILL BE EITHER PAID FOR THROUGH THE HOA OR THROUGH A ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
THAT, THAT WAS MY BIGGEST QUESTION AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE FOR THE FIRST SERVICE ROAD.
'CAUSE I KNOW THEY DON'T MAINTAIN IT DURING THE WINTER, SO IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMUNITY TO KEEP THAT MAINTAINED FOR EMERGENCY EGRESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DOUG? I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME CCNRS, CORRECT? YES.
AND SO YOU WILL HAVE AN HOA YES THAT IS GOING TO GOVERN THAT WITH THE, WITH THE ROAD MAINTENANCE.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS, AND, AND CODY MAY NEED TO INTERJECT HERE TOO, WITH THE WAY THE READING THAT I'VE DONE HERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, I'M CONFUSED IN TERMS OF WHERE THE ACCOUNTABILITY LIES BECAUSE THEY'RE TYING THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT AND THE MAINTENANCE TO THE EASEMENT THAT WAS GRANTED WITH AN AGREEMENT TO NAVAJO COUNTY.
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE COUNTY PLAYS INTO THE 3 32 MAINTENANCE ASPECT AS WELL AS THE IMPROVEMENT OF IT WHEN IT'S TIED TO AN EASEMENT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN, THAT'S IN PLACE WITH NAVAJO COUNTY.
SO ACCOUNTABILITY WISE, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY IN SOME WAY GONNA FALL BACK ON, ON, UH, THE COUNTY OR IS IT GOING TO BE SOLELY WITH, WITH THE HOMEOWNERS OR THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT? SO MY NAME'S WILL FLAKE THE COUNTY ENGINEER.
UM, THE COUNTY HAS A LOT OF ROADS THAT ARE IN A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR A PUBLIC EASEMENT THAT WE DON'T MAINTAIN.
AND IT'S UP TO PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAINTAIN THOSE IF, IF THEY CHOOSE TO.
SO THIS WOULD KIND OF BE IN THE SAME SITUATION.
THE THE COUNTY WOULDN'T INSPECT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MAINTAINED.
IT WOULD BE UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO KEEP IT MAINTAINED.
SO IF THE FOREST SERVICE HAS AN ISSUE, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO GO TO THE, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT PEOPLE, OR THE, OR THE HOA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COUNTY CORRECT.
THEY, IF THEY TALKED TO THE COUNTY, WE WOULD TRY AND HELP OUT.
BUT IT, IT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER.
UM, AND I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT IS YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE INTENT OF, OF THE PIPELINE ESTATES TO, UH, UM, PUT ANY KIND OF FINANCIAL BURDEN UPON THE COUNTY.
EXCEPT FOR THE FACILITATION OF, OF THIS COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE FOREST SERVICE AND PIPELINES.
I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION WHILE WE'RE ON IT, THAT, HOWEVER, THAT EASEMENT, UM, ENDS UP MATERIALIZING TO THE NORTH.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A SECONDARY EASEMENT, BUT IT HAS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO FIRE DEPARTMENT AND COUNTY STANDARDS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO GET EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND FIRE TRUCKS AND THINGS IN THERE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE USE RESTRICTIONS? ARE THERE GOING TO BE ANY USE RESTRICTIONS TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT BUY IN THERE ABOUT USING THAT NORTH E THAT, UH, NORTH ACCESS EASEMENT AT ALL? ARE THEY GOING TO BE RESTRICTED TO USING THAT ONLY IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, OR WILL THAT BE OPEN FOR THEIR USE FOR AT THEIR PLEASURE? UM, I'LL, I'LL GIVE MY ANSWER AND IF, IF I'M INCORRECT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW MR. BARNEY.
BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL BE LEFT OPEN AT ALL TIMES.
UM, I'M, I'M ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT MORE PEOPLE COMING FROM AINE WILL WANT TO USE THAT TO HEAD TO SHOW LOW.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL WANT TO DRIVE THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW LOW, THEY'LL PROBABLY WANT TO GO 3 32 IF THEY'RE GOING TO OVER GUARD.
SO IF THESE FOLKS WANNA GO TO INE, THEY'RE GONNA GO STRAIGHT OUT THE NORTH AND HEAD TO INE IF THEY WANT TO GO TO SNOWFLAKE.
I'M NOT SURE WHICH WAY THEY'LL GO.
MY GUESS IS THAT THEY'LL HOP ON THAT AND MAYBE GO OVER TO, UM, UH, LONE PINE DAM ROAD.
I, I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO INE THAT WAY.
BUT, UH, I, I THINK AT THIS TIME IT'S OUR FEELING THAT WE'LL JUST LEAVE THAT OPEN BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA PROVIDE A BETTER SERVICE FOR THOSE PEOPLE LEAVING THE INE HEADING INTO SHOW LOW
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THEN.UM, WELL, AND I THINK IT'D BE, BE A BETTER SERVICE TO THE, THE RESIDENTS LIVING THERE TOO, TO HAVE THAT OPTION YEAH.
OF LEAVING THEIR SUBDIVISION THAT WAY.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU LOCK A GATE, IT'S EASY FOR THE EMERGENCY SERVICES TO GET IN AND OUT, BUT IT'S HARDER FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE A CLICKER OR HAVE A KEY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT WOULD BE OUR, OUR BEST ENTRANCE TO JUST LEAVE IT OPEN COMPLETELY.
UM, THE, THE LAST QUESTION THAT I HAVE, I GUESS IS, AND, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS IN PREVIOUS HEARINGS WITH THE ONE FOOT, YOU KNOW, EASEMENT, A NON NON-ACCESS EASEMENT AROUND THE, THE PARCELS.
I GUESS I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE, HAVE SOME FEEL OF WHAT THE ENFORCEMENT IS GONNA LOOK LIKE ON THAT.
'CAUSE WE ALL KNOW AS PEOPLE COME UP HERE TO RECREATE AND THEY LIVE ON THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING UP TO SPEND A WEEKEND OR A MONTH OR THE SUMMER ON THEIR PROPERTIES WITH THE FOUR WHEELERS AND THE ATVS AND ALL OF THAT, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY HARD TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM JUST DRIVING OUT THE BACK OF THEIR LOT AND, AND, AND WANDERING DOWN THE WASH BECAUSE THERE AREN'T TREES TO OBSTRUCT THEM AND, AND, UM, FENCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO HOW, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT FOR ENFORCEMENT OF THAT TO BE ABLE TO PREVENT THAT CONSTANT, UM, ACTUALLY ABUSE OF FOREST SERVICE LAND AS IT RELATES TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE LIVING IN THE SUBDIVISION? MM-HMM.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING A SITUATION WHERE, UM, SOMEONE ON THE HOA BOARD IS GONNA RECEIVE A COMPLAINT FROM SOMEBODY ELSE, AND THEN WE'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS THROUGH, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN SEE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENING IS IF SOMEBODY'S DOING THAT, ONE OF THEIR NEIGHBORS IS GONNA TURN THEM IN AND THEN IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN ANYMORE.
YOU'LL HAVE PENALTIES OR SANCTIONS OR SOMETHING IN PLACE, IT'LL BE FINE.
OTHER THAN THAT, IT'LL BE LIKE ANY OTHER COMMUNITY THAT HAS HOAS.
YOU KNOW, HOAS ARE EITHER FOLLOWED OR BROKEN, BUT THE WAY IT HAPPENS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD WATCHING OUT FOR EACH OTHER AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE RULES ARE FOLLOWED.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THEY'D LIKE TO BRING UP? MADAM CHAIR, UH, WHO IS THAT? COMMISSIONER HOWELL.
UM, I, I GUESS I HAD A QUESTION AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE PRESENTATION AND CERTAINLY, UH, CONSIDERATION OF ALL THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THIS EVENING.
DID HAVE A, UM, I GUESS A QUESTION SEEMED LIKE A BIT OF A TRUST ME STATEMENT THAT, UM, FISH AND GAME HAD IDENTIFIED THE, THE INTEREST IN HAVING A CORRIDOR BE PRESERVED, AND I BELIEVE MR. BRIMHALL IDENTIFIED THAT THE, THE BASIN WAS BEING, UM, UN REMAINING UNDEVELOPED.
UH, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANY WRITTEN FEEDBACK FROM GAME AND FISH AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD SATISFY THEIR INTERESTS AND CONCERNS, UM, AND WHAT ANY KIND OF APPROXIMATE DIMENSIONS OF THAT CORRIDOR WOULD BE.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY OF THE ATTACHMENTS IN THE PACKAGE, UM, IF IT WAS IN THERE.
BUT YEAH, SO THERE WAS THE ATTACHED LETTER WITHIN THEIR COMMISSIONER.
UM, WITHIN THE LETTER, THEY DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY WHETHER THE THE WASH WAS FULLY ACCOMMODATING OR NOT.
UM, THAT'S NOT TYPICAL OF THE ARIZONA GAME AND FISH DEPARTMENT.
WITH THE LETTERS WE SEE, THEY DID NOTE FOR THOSE CORRIDORS THOUGH, HOWEVER, IT IS, UH, IT'S VERY COMMON FOR WASHES AND, AND AREAS OF THAT MANNER, UM, TO BE UTILIZED AND KEPT OPEN FOR THE, THE MIGRATION OF WILDLIFE THROUGH PROPERTIES.
SO THEY DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT THAT WASH, UM, FULLY ACCOMMODATED THEIR DESIRES, BUT THEY DID LIST THAT AS ONE WAY IN WHICH A WILDLIFE CORRIDOR COULD BE, UH, ACHIEVED FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS.
UM, AS FAR AS THE DIMENSIONS, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO PULL UP THE PLAID.
IT'S IT PRETTY BIG THERE, UM, OVERALL AS FAR AS WHERE THEY'VE GONE WITH THE FLOOD PLAIN AND FLOODWAY.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
DOUG MIGHT SINCE HE DESIGNED IT, BUT IT'S BEYOND ME THERE.
ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR, UM, FROM THE STANDPOINT IN, IN REFERENCE TO THE HOA AND THE CCRS, UM, AND AGAIN, HAVING SEEN THIS A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES AND DIFFERENT REITERATIONS AND JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M SEEING IT CLEARLY, UM, UNDER THE, THE GUISE OF THIS FINAL APPROVAL WOULD BE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ARE THERE CCNRS THAT PROHIBIT ANY PARKING OF VEHICLES OR ENCROACHMENT, UM, WITHIN THAT, THAT PLATTED, UM,
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CORRIDOR AND WHAT THE, I WANNA SAY, ENFORCEMENT OR, UM, ASSURANCE THAT THOSE CCNRS ARE ENFORCED, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.UM, ON THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT, THE ACTUAL PLAT, IT STATES THAT, UM, NO ONE CAN BUILD ANY FENCES, ANY SHEDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE FLOOD WAY.
AND ACTUALLY, UM, WE PUT A A, UM, THERE'S A BUFFER AS WELL THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THERE THAT YOU COULDN'T BUILD IN ALONG ALL THE LOTS THAT BORDER THE WASH.
SO THIS WASH BASICALLY FOLLOWS THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF OUR PROPERTY.
AND, UM, SO THE, IN MY, IN MY, UH, IMAGINATION, I CAN SEE WILDLIFE WALKING THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF PLACES WHERE THIS WASH MOVES OFF OF OUR PROPERTY AND BACK INTO THE FOREST SERVICE.
SO THERE'S ALSO SOME LAND AREA WHERE THERE'S A, A GAP BETWEEN THE WASH AND OUR PROPERTY.
SO, UH, BUT THERE'S RIGHT ON THE PLAT IT SAYS WHERE YOU CAN AND CANNOT BUILD.
AND WE'VE CREATED A BUFFER ALONG THE WASH TO KEEP, UH, BUILDINGS AND FENCES FROM, FROM BEING THAT PRIMARILY IT WAS FOR, UH, FLOODPLAIN PURPOSES, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO HELPING WITH THE WILDLIFE CORRIDOR IN RETROSPECT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? WELL, I HAVE ONE FINAL COMMENT, AND I KNOW THIS WON'T COME AS A SURPRISE TO YOU, MR. BIMAL.
I'VE, I'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THIS FROM THE VERY ONSET, UM, WHEN THE DENSITY BECAME WHAT IT IS, I I REALLY THINK IT'S WAY TOO MUCH DENSITY IN THAT AREA.
I, I, I HAVE SAFETY CONCERN ISSUES THERE, AS WELL AS JUST THE OVERALL IMPACT ON THE FOREST SERVICE LANDS SURROUNDING THAT.
SO DUE TO THE, DUE TO THE DENSITY, UM, IT'S GROWN AND GROWN AND GROWN OVER THE YEARS FROM WHAT IT FIRST CAME BEFORE US AT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE GOTTA, YOU'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT PAVED ROADS IN THERE, AND YOU'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT I, I PERSONALLY CAN'T APPROVE OF THIS PROJECT FOR MYSELF, UM, BASED ON THE DENSITY OF IT THAT I, I FEEL IS, WAS WAY TOO, WAY TOO MANY HOMES IN THAT RESTRICTED AMOUNT OF AREA.
SO JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING THAT.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE NAVAJO COUNTY PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION APPROVE THIS TENTATIVE PLAT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
YOU GUYS APPRECIATE IT AND APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC INPUT AS WELL.
GIVING EVERYBODY A CHANCE THAT DOESN'T WANNA STAY FOR THE HEARING TO SORT OF MAKE AN EXIT.
A COUPLE OTHER, THIS IS THE SOLAR.
LET, CAN I INTRODUCE THE AT FIRST? OKAY.
[6. SUP 24-007: RED HILLS SOLAR ENERGY GENERATION FACILITY, DISTRICT III: Consideration of a request by Stellar Red Hills Solar, LLC to allow for the construction and operation of a 1,000MW utility-scale solar energy generation facility and 1,000MW, 4-hour battery energy storage system (BESS) and associated facilities on approximately 9,213 acres of land located northwest of Snowflake, Arizona. APN#: 202-26-002, 202-26-009, 202-27-002, 202-26-001, 202-27-003L, 202-27-003J, 202-50-002, 202-50-003, 202-50-005, 202-50-007, 202-50-009, 202-50-010, 202-50-011, 202-50-012, 202-26-015. Owner: Aztec Land and Cattle Co., Flake Ranch, LLC, Langley NZ Ranches, LLC, Arizona State Land Department. Agent: Ty Utton.]
FIVE FOR TONIGHT.THIS IS SUP 24 DASH ZERO SEVEN RED HILLS SOLAR ENERGY GENERATION FACILITY DISTRICT THREE CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST BY STELLAR RED HILLS SOLAR LLC TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF A 1000 MEGAWATT UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ENERGY GEN GENERATION FACILITY AND A 1000 MEGAWATT FOUR HOUR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM AND ASSOCIATED FACILITIES ON APPROXIMATELY 9,213 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED NORTHWEST WEST OF SNOWFLAKE, ARIZONA.
THE APNS ARE AS FOLLOWS, 2 0 2 DASH 26 DASH 0 0 2 0 0 9 0 0 1
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AND 0 0 1 5 2 0 7 DASH 2 7 0 0 2 AND 0 0 3 L, UH, 0 0 3 J, ZERO ZERO, UH, AND 0 0 3 J.AND THEN THE OTHERS ARE ALL 2 0 2, UH, 5 0 0 0 2, 0 0 3 0 0 5 0 0, UH, 10 0 0 9 0 11 0 1 2.
THERE WILL BE A TEST AT THE END OF TONIGHT.
THE OWNER IS AZTEC LAND AND CATTLE COMPANY, FLAKE RANCH, LLC LANGLEY NZ RANCHES LLC.
AND THE ARIZONA STATE LAND DEPARTMENT HAS AN INTEREST IN THIS TOO.
UM, THE AGENT REPRESENTING THEM TONIGHT, ISTY UTEN.
AND WE'LL HAVE THIS PRESENTED BY TYLER RICHARDS.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER SOLAR ENERGY GENERATION FACILITY.
UM, JUMPING INTO THE PROJECT SUMMARY.
WE ARE SITTING ABOUT 5.6 MILES NORTHWEST OF SNOWFLAKE ON NUMEROUS PARCELS.
WE HAVE 15 PARCELS TOTALING 9,213 ACRES ZONED R RU 20, UH, UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF AZTEC LAND AND CATTLE FLAKE RANCH LANGLEY NZ RANCHES IN THE ARIZONA STATE LAND DEPARTMENT.
UH, THE PROJECT WILL CONSIST OF THE SOLAR MODULES AND THEIR RACKING SYSTEMS. THEY'LL HAVE THE COLLECTION LINES AND AN ONSITE SUBSTATION.
THEIR GENTILE LINE WILL CONNECT TO THE SALT RIVER PROJECT, SUGARLOAF SUBSTATION, THEY WILL HAVE A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM.
IT WILL BE 1000 MEGAWATTS, UH, FOR FOUR HOURS, NOT 4,000 MEGAWATTS AN HOUR.
I JUST
IT IS 1000 MEGAWATTS FOR FOUR HOURS.
UH, IT WILL HAVE AN OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE BUILDING IN THE ASSOCIATED PARKING LAY DOWN AREAS THAT COME WITH THAT.
AND IT WILL HAVE SEVEN FOOT TALL FENCING WITH THREE STRAND BARBED WIRE SURROUNDING THE OPERATIONS BUILDING SUBSTATION AND THE BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEM.
UH, IT, UH, AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THERE.
UM, WE ARE SITTING APPROXIMATELY 5.6 MILES AWAY FROM THE HEART OF SNOWFLAKE.
UH, KIND OF SHOWING THE LAYOUT OF HOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR SOLAR PANELS.
UM, SEE IF I CAN POINT IT OUT HERE.
UP IN THAT PORTION RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THEY WILL HAVE THEIR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE.
UH, THE COLLECTION SUBSTATION, UH, THAT'S WHERE THAT'LL BE.
AND THEN THE REST OF THIS SOLAR PANELS, THEY'VE AVOIDED THE FLOOD AREAS, FLOOD HAZARD AREAS, AND THAT'S KIND OF THEIR LAYOUT COMING TO OUR ANALYSIS PORTION.
THIS PROJECT MEETS MULTIPLE OF THE GOALS IN OUR LAND USE ELEMENT AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THEY HAVE WORKED TO IDENTIFY ANY OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCES IN THE AREA AND HAVE A PLAN ON WHAT TO DO IF THEY SHOULD ENCOUNTER THOSE, UH, CULTURAL RESOURCES.
THEY'VE ALSO COMPLETED THEIR WILDLIFE AND HABITAT RESOURCE STUDIES WITHIN THE AREA.
THOSE HAVE INDICATED A MINIMAL IMPACT TO ANY WILDLIFE OR UH, SPECIES IN THE AREA.
THEY DO HAVE APPROPRIATE ACCESS THAT WILL BE COMING OFF OF STATE ROUTE 2 77 BY A ROCKING CHAIR RANGE ROAD.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ACCESS POINT ALONG STATE ROUTE 77 ALONG AN UNNAMED BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT ROAD.
THEY WILL, UH, PERFORM ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FIRE AND EMERGENCY ACCESS, UH, PUBLIC WORKS.
THEY ARE GONNA REVIEW THOSE PLANS, UM, AND ENSURE THAT THEY ARE PROPER AND SAFE.
UH, OUR PLAN, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NOTES THAT RESOURCE SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES SHOULD BE LOCATED IN APPROPRIATELY RURAL AREAS.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED IN A RURAL AREA, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT 5.6 MILES NORTHWEST OF SNOWFLAKE.
UH, IT STILL HAS ACCESS ALONG STATE ROUTE 2 77 AS WELL AS STATE ROUTE 77.
AND THAT SHOULD ALLOW EASIER EQUIPMENT TRANSPORTATION.
NAVAJO COUNTY DOES ENCOURAGE INSTANCES OF INFILL CAPITALIZE ON EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND SO THIS MAY NOT BE UTILIZING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TRADITIONAL IN THE TRADITIONAL IDEA, BUT IT IS CAPITALIZING ON THAT PREEXISTING SALT RIVER PROJECT SUBSTATION.
UH, AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE COMMENT IN, UH, FAVOR FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT SUBJECT TO THE 14 CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE.
IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CONDITIONS STAFF REPORT, I'M HERE AS WELL.
AND WOULD THE APPLICANT MR. TON LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS US? THANK YOU.
UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
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PHOENIX IS 7 1 4 4 EAST STETSON DRIVE.MY FIRM AND I ARE ASSISTING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF ENERGY PROJECTS THROUGHOUT ARIZONA.
AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS ONE TO YOU.
AND I'M REALLY PROUD TO BE HERE.
EXCUSE ME, ON BEHALF OF STELLAR RENEWABLE ENERGY, WHICH IS A FANTASTIC COMPANY WITH TREMENDOUS EXPERIENCE THAT IS ANXIOUS TO INVEST IN AND BECOME PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND TO ENHANCE NAVAJO COUNTY.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK CODY AND NAVAJO COUNTY STAFF FOR SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
WE'RE THRILLED TO HAVE STAFF SUPPORT AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION THAT THEY JUST DELIVERED.
BUT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS A FEW ISSUES.
I KNOW IN THE LAST TIME THAT YOU HAVE MET WITH ONE OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WAS IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, YOU ASKED A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS AND I WANT TO BE PROACTIVE AND, AND GET TO THOSE.
SO FIRST OF ALL, PUBLIC SAFETY IS A PRIORITY FOR STELLAR AND FOR THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE ALREADY BEGUN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT.
AND LIKE THE PROJECT YOU APPROVED LAST TIME, WE'RE USING 24 7 MONITORING, INCLUDING STATE-OF-THE-ART, FIRE SUPPRESSION TECHNOLOGY, WHILE COMPLYING WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION TO ENSURE A SAFE PROJECT, WE WILL HAVE AN ONSITE WATER TANK AND THE SITE WILL BE DESIGNED TO COMPLY WITH EVERY REQUEST OF THE FIRE DISTRICT AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENTS WITH THE COUNTY.
WE WILL CONDUCT TRAINING FOR THE FIRE DISTRICT, AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT NAVAJO COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SUPPORTS THE APPLICATION.
AND FINALLY, I JUST WANNA DO ADDRESS THAT IN THE PRESENTATION.
YOU COULD SEE THAT THERE'LL BE WILDLIFE CORRIDORS THAT WILL BE PROVIDED IN THIS PROJECT.
AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN SUPPORT.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THANK CODY AND STAFF FOR EVERYTHING.
I'M SURE WE'LL ASK SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, ALL I'M SEEING HERE IS ONE, ONE CARD THAT WAS TURNED IN TO SPEAK, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE FOR OR AGAINST IT.
MY NAME IS ANGIE ATKINS AND I LIVE AT 93 93 WILLIS HILL COURT IN SNOWFLAKE.
UM, I'M GONNA USE MY NOTES BECAUSE I'M VERY NERVOUS.
SO IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN 25,000 HEAT AND SMOKE INCIDENCES AND 40 KNOWN FIRES IN JUST THE LAST YEAR DUE TO BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES.
SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR IN VALLEY CENTER, MAY THIS YEAR, NO TIME.
MESA BURNED 11 DAYS REIGNITED MULTIPLE TIMES, AND STILL HAD WESTS OF SMOKE AFTER 11 DAYS.
SO FIREFIGHTERS HAD TO STAY ON SITE THE ENTIRE TIME.
ESCONDIDO HAD ONE BURN IN JULY FOR DAYS, AND THAT WAS BUILT IN 2020.
MULTIPLE POINTS OF FAILURE, INCLUDING THERMAL CAUSES, WHICH WE DO NOT, WHICH WE HAVE HIGH HEAT AND WILDFIRES HERE.
TOXIC GASES OFF GASSING AND IF THEY SETTLE, CAN CAUSE EXPLOSIONS.
UH, AND IF THEY CAN'T DISCHARGE THE EXCESS ELECTRICITY, IT CAN AGAIN, CAUSE EXPLOSIONS.
FIREMEN NEED TO BE ON SITE FOR MANY DAYS IN CASE IT'S REIGNITED.
TAKING RESOURCES AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY.
WATER BEING SPRAYED ON A FIRE WILL CONTAMINATE OUR AQUIFERS.
SOLAR FARMS HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO RAISE LOCAL TEMPS BY FIVE TO SEVEN DEGREES.
ONLY 15% OF THE SUN'S ENERGY IS CONVERTED.
THE REST, HE THE PANELS, BECAUSE THEY'RE BLACK, THIS RAISES THE TEMPS WATER TO CLEAN, CAN PICK UP CHEMICALS WHICH END UP IN THE AQUIFER, DESTRUCTION OF THE NATURAL AREA.
MAINTENANCE OF PANELS INCREASES DUST ISSUES BEYOND NATURAL DAMAGE, BEYOND THE INITIAL DAMAGE.
RADIATION FROM THE EQUIPMENT, NOT THE PANELS CAN CAUSE HEALTH ISSUES TO WILDLIFE.
REDUCED RECREATIONAL USE BECAUSE OF ROGUE DUST CREATED.
I SAW THAT IN IMPERIAL COUNTY AND SAN DIEGO COUNTY.
RECREATIONAL USE OF THE AREA IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR TOURISM.
INCOMES NOT SURE HOW MUCH GOVERNOR REVENUE THEY'LL RECEIVE.
BLUE EARTH GETS ONE THIRD OF THEIR REVENUE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
GOT THAT DIRECTLY FROM THE, UH, BLUE EARTH AT A MEETING IN HEBREW.
I'M SURE SOLAR IS SIMILAR AND WILL PROBABLY BE IN 10 YEARS, SOLD IN 10 YEARS.
SO THE FEDERAL SUBSIDIES, TIME LINE RESETS, AND THEY WILL RECEIVE CARBON TAX CREDITS.
AND I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT BECAUSE I LIVE NEAR SOME SOLAR FARMS BEFORE, SO I AM ABSOLUTELY AGAINST THIS.
WE HAVE TOO MUCH HEAT ALREADY.
WE HAVE TOO MUCH CHANCE OF WILDFIRES.
THIS, THE TECHNOLOGY IS NOT QUITE THERE YET.
40 FIRES IN THE LAST YEAR ALONE.
PLEASE CONSIDER ALL OF THAT BEFORE YOU SAY YES ON THIS.
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NO ONE ELSE HAS TURNED IN ANY SLIPS TO SPEAK.AND SO, UM, AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THE, UH, APPLICANT WANTS TO COME UP AND ADDRESS ANY OF THE CONCERNS.
ONCE AGAIN, THOMAS GALVIN ON BEHALF OF STELLAR RENEWABLE, ALSO HAVE WITH ME, UH, CLIENT, UH, MELISSA FUNSTON FROM STELLAR, WHO ALSO WILL, UM, INTRODUCE HERSELF A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I WANNA MAKE AND THEN SHE CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT MORE OF THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS.
FIRST OF ALL, AS YOU HEARD FROM STAFF TONIGHT, THEY COMPLETELY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
THEY EVEN ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THIS SPEAKER TALKED ABOUT.
ONE OF THEM OBVIOUSLY BEING WHETHER THERE'S ANY IMPACT TO WILDLIFE.
AND AS YOU HEARD TONIGHT IN THE PRESENTATION, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO IMPACT OR DETRIMENTAL IMPACT TO WILDLIFE.
SECONDLY, UH, AS YOU SAW WHEN I SPOKE EARLIER, MY EMPHASIS WAS ON PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND I WENT OVER EACH OF THE ASPECTS OF WHY THIS PROJECT WOULD BE SAFE AND WHY THIS PROJECT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.
UM, THE SUPPORT IN REACHING OUT TO THE FIRE DISTRICT, THE ONSITE WATER TANK, UH, THE SUPPORT FROM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, ALL OF THOSE ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
AND THEN THIRD, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE SPEAKER BEFORE, A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WERE, THAT WERE CLAIMS ABOUT EITHER SOLAR TECHNOLOGY OR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE, THOSE ARE STUFF THAT'S NOT IN THE RECORD HERE BEFORE YOU.
WHAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT WAS FROM STAFF IDENTIFYING ALL THESE VARIOUS ISSUES THAT GO INTO THE RECOMMENDATION OF A SUPPORT OF A PROJECT.
AND THEN LAST, I ALSO WANNA ADDRESS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASPECT OF THIS.
OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD BE A POSITIVE BENEFIT FOR THE COUNTY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S SUPPORTED BY THE LANDOWNERS.
WE HAVE ONLY ONE COMMENT FOR TONIGHT FOR THE PROJECT, AND THAT WAS IN SUPPORT, THAT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND NOW I'M GONNA ALLOW, UH, MS. FUNSTON HERE TO ADDRESS THE OTHER ISSUES.
HI, MY NAME IS MELISSA FUNSTON.
MY ADDRESS IS 1 4 6 4 3 DALLAS PARKWAY AND DALLAS.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST PIECES THAT, THAT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SPOKE ON WAS THE BEST COMPONENT IN THE POTENTIAL EMERGENCY.
UM, ISSUES WITH THAT, ALL OF THE BEST SYSTEMS ARE, THEY HAVE SELF-CONTAINED FIRE SUPPRESSION, AND THERE'S SUFFICIENT SPACING IN BETWEEN.
IT'S ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 FEET ON AVERAGE IN BETWEEN EACH OF THE CONTAINERS SO THAT THERE IS NOT POTENTIAL FOR THE FIRE TO JUMP FROM ONE TO THE NEXT.
AND WITH THIS SELF-CONTAINED SUPPRESSION, THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR THE FIRE TO BE WITHIN AS, UH, THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAID AS WELL, THAT WE HAVE 24 HOUR MANAGEMENT AND SURVEILLANCE OF THOSE, UH, BATTERY SYSTEMS. UM, THERE'S VIDEO SURVEILLANCE IN THERE SO YOU CAN ALSO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON AT ALL TIMES.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE WATER TANK THAT, THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT, WE ALSO HAVE A FIRE STAGING AREA AS WELL.
UM, SO WE'VE, WE'VE DONE, UH, A LOT OF WORK TO ENSURE THAT ANY SORT OF POTENTIAL ISSUES, UM, RELATED TO SAFETY ARE ADDRESSED AND, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO BE PROACTIVE.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I CAN SPEAK ON, PLEASE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SAY SO.
ARE YOU FORMING A FIRE DISTRICT OR ARE YOU BEING INCLUDED IN AN EXISTING ONE? WE HAVE, WE'RE IN COMMUNICATION WITH BOTH THE HOLBROOK AND THE SNOWFLAKE FIRE DISTRICTS.
SO WE'RE NOT FORMING A NEW ONE.
QUIET WITH BROOK AND SNOWFLAKE.
I SAID WE'RE IN COMMUNICATION.
WE'RE WORKING WITH BOTH OF THOSE.
SO THE PROJECT IS, IS QUITE LARGE AND WE HAVE ACCESS POINTS FROM BOTH THE NORTH AND FROM THE SOUTH.
AND SO THE NORTH ONE IS OBVIOUSLY MORE DIRECT FOR HOLBROOK AND THE SOUTHERN ONE IS MORE DIRECT FOR SNOWFLAKE.
SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK AND COORDINATE WITH BOTH OF THOSE.
YOU STATE THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE ECONOMIC IMPACT.
NAVAJO COUNTY HAS LOST HOW MANY JOBS TO GREEN ENERGY UNION JOBS.
WELL, PAYING RETIREMENT JOBS THAT YOU CAN WEAR AS A FAMILY ON THE IMPACT IS NEGATIVE.
IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A TERRIBLE THING FOR NAVAJO COUNTY AND APACHE COUNTY.
SO I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT ALL ROSES.
THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY THE CASE.
UM, WITH OUR PROJECT, WE WILL BRING IN JOBS, PARTICULARLY DURING CONSTRUCTION.
WE SEE A PEAK OF ABOUT A THOUSAND LOCAL JOBS FROM THAT CONSTRUCTION PERIOD.
AND THERE WILL BE LOCAL EMPLOYERS AS WELL.
UM, THAT WILL BE ONSITE FULL-TIME SUPPORT THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS GENER GENERATING REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL.
UH, COMMISSIONER MURPHY, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WITH, I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE TODAY, BUT IN TERMS OF SATISFYING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SUP, I THINK WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN ASKED OF US.
I THINK STAFF HAS BEEN REALLY TERRIFIC IN PUTTING TOGETHER THE PRESENTATION FOR YOU TONIGHT OUTLINING ALL OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE NEED TO MEET.
UH, YES, THERE ARE LARGER ISSUES, UH, SURROUNDING WHAT THE COUNTY IS DEALING WITH AND FACING WITH, BUT IN TERMS OF OUR APPLICATION, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ENHANCE AND MAKE NAVAJO COUNTY BETTER.
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THAT.I THINK I'VE GOT ONE MORE LITTLE THING TO ADD.
NO, COMMISSIONER MUR, GO AHEAD.
I'M THINKING ABOUT WHETHER I DO OR NOT.
THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF DAMAGE BEING DONE TO TRADITIONAL CATTLE RANCHERS BY ALTERNATIVE ENERGY.
SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE RANCHES THAT SNOWFLAKE, EXCUSE ME, AND WINSLOW FOR EXAMPLE, WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS THE KNOWLEDGE, AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, TO MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THIS ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY AND THE, AND THE PEOPLE WHO RUN BUSINESSES AND OWN HOMES IN NAVAJO COUNTY, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAINING OR OPPORTUNITY TO SEE FIRSTHAND OR SOMETHING.
'CAUSE WE JUST KEEP WILLY-NILLY APPROVING ALL THESE SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF THIS STUFF.
I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE THAN BENEFICIAL, MORE THAN WORTH THE MONEY AND THE TIME TO GET SOME TRAINING PERHAPS FROM PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELVES.
IF I MAY TO THAT POINT, UM, I THINK YOU BRING UP AN EXCELLENT POINT.
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE OBVIOUSLY DID NOT SEE GROWING UP.
HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S REALLY EXCITING THAT A COMPANY LIKE STELLAR, WHICH IS A FANTASTIC COMPANY, WANTS TO DO BUSINESS HERE IN NAVAJO COUNTY AND BELIEVES IN NAVAJO COUNTY.
WHEN WE, UM, STARTED THIS APPLICATION AND THIS PROCESS, WHEN WE NOTIFIED FOLKS, WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING BACK.
UH, IF WE HAD HEARD ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, WE WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE SIT DOWN WITH FOLKS AND TO DISCUSS IT WITH THEM AND TO INCORPORATE ANY FEEDBACK OR SOLICIT ANYTHING.
BUT I'M PROUD TO SAY WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK.
UH, BUT IN TERMS OF THE LARGER ISSUES ABOUT TEACHING PEOPLE OR LEARNING ABOUT HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY WORKS, I THINK THAT'S A WORTHWHILE DISCUSSION.
BUT IN TERMS OF THIS SUP APPLICATION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, I THINK WE'VE MET ALL OF THE CRITERIA.
AND IF MS. BUNSTON WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING, I WOULD, UM, IF YOU WANTS, I APPRECIATE.
UH, AGAIN, VERY GOOD PRESENTATION.
APPRECIATE THE HOMEWORK AND, UH, THE DUE DILIGENCE ON WHAT YOU ANTICIPATED THAT WE'D BE ASKING.
UM, I GUESS IN REFERENCE TO THE FACT OF SELF-CONTAINED, UH, FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM, WHAT'S THE NATURE OF THAT SYSTEM? OBVIOUSLY A, A WATER TANK ON SITE IS, UH, A PART OF IT.
IS IT A FOAM SYSTEM? WHAT, UH, COULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE PLEASE? ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM? YES.
IT IS WORTH SAYING THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK ON OUR FINAL DESIGN.
WE'RE STILL IN THE RELATIVELY EARLY STAGES.
UM, AND SO WE DON'T YET HAVE A, A FINAL, FINAL PRODUCT FOR THAT YET.
UM, BUT WE ARE, WE'RE CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED THE, THE TESLA BATTERY SYSTEM.
UM, AND THAT'S THE, UM, THAT'S THE SPECIFIC SYSTEM THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH.
THEY HAVE A DEVELOPED SAFETY PLAN THAT WE INCLUDED, UM, IN REFERENCED IN OUR FIRE SAFELY PLAN IN OUR, UH, SEP APPLICATION.
UM, AS I SAID, IT'S, IT'S SUPPRESSED, IT'S ABOUT 10 BY 10 BY 20 IS, IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THESE SHIPPING LIGHT CONTAINERS.
UM, WITH THE DIRECT BATTERY INSIDE.
UM, THEY'RE SPACED ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 FEET APART.
UM, AND THE 24 HOUR SURVEILLANCE AS WELL, THAT, THAT HELPS TO CHECK IN ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN EACH INDIVIDUAL CONTAINER.
BUT THE ACTUAL SUPPRESSION SYSTEM, IF A FIRE IS, UM, IS IDENTIFIED, WOULD SIMPLY BE A WATER SYSTEM OR YOU DON'T KNOW YET.
UM, THE WATER SYSTEM ACTUALLY HELPS TO, IT, IT DOES NOT HELP THE FIRE.
UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS OF THE TECHNOLOGY, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO REPORT BACK TO, TO THIS COMMISSION.
IF I, CAN I ADD ONE MORE POINT? UM, THE POINT IS THAT THERE WILL BE A FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM AND THAT WOULD BE INVOLVING WORKING WITH STAFF AND WORKING WITH THE, UM, THE FIRE DISTRICTS TO NAIL OUT THE FINAL DETAILS.
BUT THE POINT IS THAT THERE WILL BE A FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM THOUGHT OUT PLANNED AND SHOWED TO THE COUNTY.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY KEY.
NOT, NOT JUST A 10,000 GALLON WATER TANK.
YEAH, NO DOG TANKS, MADAM, MADAM CHAIR.
AS A FOLLOW UP ON THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE, WOULD'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR YOU TO IDENTIFY THE THOUSAND GALLON OR 10,000 GALLON WATER TANK FOR ANY SURFACE FIRES APPROACHING THE AREA TO PREVENT IT FROM, UH, FROM CONTAMINATING INTO THE BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO THE INTENT TO SUPPRESS
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ANY FIRE IN THE BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEM.THAT QUESTION COMMISSIONER, HOW I THINK HE'S GOT, HE'S HE'S A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT EXACTLY YOU'RE ASKING HIM.
IT, IT WAS MORE OF A STATEMENT.
IT'S IN REFERENCE TO, UH, SUPPORTING ANY, UH, EXTERNAL FIRE FIRES THAT, UH, APPROACHED THE SITE.
UM, APOLOGIZE FOR THE LACK OF CLARITY IN MY, ON MY STATEMENT.
COMMISSIONER HOWELL AND COMMISSIONER LAMBERT? YES.
UH, DO YOU KEEP MENTIONING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE 24 HOUR MONITORS? WHERE ARE THE MONITORS? ARE IT GONNA BE IN DALLAS OR OUT HERE OR NO, NO, NO, NOT IN DALLAS.
THERE'LL BE, UM, WE'LL HAVE SOME FULL-TIME STAFF OF, AND THERE WILL BE A, UM, AN AREA WHERE THEY CAN MONITOR THAT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY.
IT'S ABOUT, AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE FINAL SPECIFICATIONS, BUT ABOUT 60 FEET OR GREATER AWAY FROM.
SO IT'S GONNA BE LOCAL ON THE SITE? YES, YES, A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR THAT IMMEDIATE RESPONSE.
AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW ELECTRICITY AND WATER.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION STAFF? DO YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP TO ANY OF THIS? YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST NOTE, UM, COMMISSIONERS.
I WOULD JUST NOTE FOR THIS, UM, AS IS IN THE CONDITIONS AND TYPICAL FOR ANY OF THESE PROJECTS BEFORE ANY CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES WERE TO TAKE PLACE, IF THIS WERE APPROVED, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A, AN APPROVED FIRE PREVENTION PLAN.
UM, THIS IS IN THE JURISDICTION OF THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL, SO IT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT OF NAVAJO COUNTY.
AND WE ALSO PROVIDE COPIES OF THOSE TO THE LOCAL FIRE JURISDICTION SO THAT THEY'RE ALSO INFORMED AS A PART OF THIS.
SO, UM, IF THAT BRINGS ANY COMFORT OR MOVES FORWARD THERE, THERE ARE STILL PROCESSES TO, TO GO THROUGH AND REVIEW FOR THE, THE FIRE SIDE OF THIS WITH MULTIPLE AGENCIES THAT ARE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD.
WELL, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMISSION, I'LL LIKE TO HEAR A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER LAHAM, I MAKE THE MOTION THAT THE NAVAJO COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO THE NAVAJO COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANYONE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOUR TIME.
YOU NEED TO DO IT NOW, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO LEAVE.
I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA TALK JUST YEAH, YOU JUST HAVE TO GO OUT AND SIT UP THERE.
AND I MIGHT NOT HAVE TIME TO CALL ON YOU.
I MIGHT CLOSE THE DOOR HERE FOR US SO WE CAN, OKAY, MOVING ON HERE.
TP 24 DASH 0 0 2, JACKALOPE TRAILS 10 OH, I'M SORRY, 0 0 2.
[7. ZC 24-002 LAWRENCE ZONE CHANGE, DISTRICT IV: Consideration of request by Show Low Development, LLC to allow for the Zone Change from A-General to R1-10 (Single-Family Residential Zoning District 10,000 Square Feet Per Dwelling Unit) on an approximately 39.86-acre parcel located in the Linden area. APN#: 409-16-001A. Owner: Show Low Development, LLC. Agent: Chad Lawrence.]
LAWRENCE ZONE CHANGE DISTRICT FOUR.CONSIDERATION OF REQUEST SHALLOW DEVELOPMENT LLC TO ALLOW FOR THE ZONE CHANGE FROM A GENERAL TO R ONE 10, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT WITH 10,000 SQUARE FEET PER DWELLING UNIT ON AN APPROXIMATELY 39.86 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED IN THE LINDEN AREA.
THE A PN IS 4 0 9 DASH ONE SIX DASH 0 0 1 A.
THE OWNER IS SHALLOW DEVELOPMENT LLC, AND THE AGENT IS CHAD LAWRENCE.
CAN I RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS ITEM AGENDA AND THE NEXT ONE? YES, YOU CAN.
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THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.UM, SO THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU, THIS IS THE ZONE CHANGE.
IT, IT IS RELATED TO A TENTATIVE PLAT, BUT WE WANT TO KEEP THOSE VERY DISTINCT AND SEPARATE HERE, UH, AS FAR AS THE PROCESSES TO UNDERSTAND.
UM, SO THE ZONE CHANGE WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT FROM THE, THE COMMISSION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, THE TENTATIVE PLAT WOULD BE FINAL.
UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THIS AS, UH, INSULAR BETWEEN THEM SO THAT WE, WE CAN HAVE THIS SEPARATION.
SO THE, THIS IS LOCATED ON PARCEL THAT YOU'VE LISTED THERE, APPROXIMATELY 39.86 ACRES.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED A GENERAL, THE NEVO COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES WHEN ANYONE PROPOSES A SUBDIVISION THAT THEY GO THROUGH A ZONE CHANGE TO AN APPROPRIATE ZONE.
AND SO WITH THIS CASE, THE, UH, THE DEVELOPERS PROPOSED AN AN R ONE 10 ZONE CHANGE OR A CHANGE TO R ONE 10 ZONING.
YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT ALWAYS DOES THIS WITH THE FORMAT.
WE, UH, WE, WE PUT IT THROUGH ONE THING AND IT WORKS, BUT THEN WE UPLOAD ANOTHER AND IT, IT JUMPS OFF.
SO APOLOGIZE FOR THE, THE Y DROPPING DOWN THERE FOR YOU.
UM, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR AND A HALF MILES, JUST FROM THE SORT OF THE OUTSKIRTS THERE OF, UH, SHOW LOW WHERE 60 AND TWO 60 MEET AND YOU START TO EXIT SHOW LOW TO THE WEST TOWARDS THE LINDEN AREA.
UM, IF YOU CAN DO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, PLEASE.
THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY, UM, SPECIFICALLY HERE.
IF YOU LOOK TO THE NORTH OF THAT, THAT IS THE, THE LINDEN TRAILS SUBDIVISION JUST DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH.
THIS IS, UH, STILL PRELIMINARY.
SO OF COURSE WE GOT TWO OF THE VERY CLOSE COLORS HERE, BUT WANTED TO SHOW THIS FOR THE COMMISSION.
AS FAR AS ANY CONCERNS OVER SPOT ZONING, THAT LIGHTER GREEN, UH, THAT YOU SEE HERE IS A GENERAL PROPERTY.
UM, TYPICALLY SPLIT THROUGH WILDCAT SPLITS OR OTHERWISE, AND THAT'S SLIGHTLY DARKER GREEN, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE WITHIN THE LEGEND TO THE NORTH IS R ONE 10.
AND SO THAT IS THE LINDEN TRAIL SUBDIVISION THAT'S ZONED THAT WAY WHEN ANALYZING THIS ZONE CHANGE.
DUE TO THAT, THERE IS NO CONCERN FOR SPOT ZONING FROM STAFF.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH, IN TAKING A LOOK AT THIS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, THIS COMPLIES WITH ALL RELEVANT GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THERE ARE SOME ADEQUATELY PAVED ROADS AND, AND OTHERWISE IN THE VICINITY HERE, UM, TO ALLOW FOR A HIGHER DENSITY OF, UH, OF DEVELOPMENTAL OR OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, UH, WE DID HAVE TWO COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY AGAINST THIS ZONE CHANGE.
UM, THERE ARE SEPARATE COMMENTS FOR THE TENTATIVE PLAT THAT'LL COVER AT, UH, THE NEXT ITEM HERE.
UM, THOSE MAJOR CONCERNS RAISED WITH THE ZONE CHANGE ITSELF WERE, UM, CONCERNS OVER THE WATER SYSTEM FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, SOIL CONDITIONS FOR SEPTIC SYSTEMS, DRAINAGE AND FLOODING, IMPACT TO RURAL LIFESTYLE LIGHTING, ET CETERA.
UM, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT TRAFFIC WITHIN THE AREA, UM, BOTH IN THE, THE LONG TERM AND THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, LACK OF FENCING BEING PROPOSED AND CONSTRUCTION RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
BASED UPON OUR FULL ANALYSIS OF THIS, WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS.
UM, THIS DOES APPEAR APPROPRIATE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR ZONING ORDINANCE PROVIDED THAT IT'S ACCOMPANIED BY APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO WITH THAT STATE LAW DOES ALLOW US TO IMPOSE A CONDITION RELATED TO THE SCHEDULE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT STAFF HERE HAS RECOMMENDED THAT IF THIS ZONE CHANGE WERE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THAT IT BE CONDITIONED UPON THE APPROVAL OF A TENTATIVE PLAT.
ALSO, WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF THAT APPROVAL BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, STAFF'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, THE OWNERS AS WELL AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE ARE HERE AS WELL.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE DEVELOPER AT THIS POINT THAT THEY'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AT ALL? HI, CHAIR.
SANDRA PHILLIPS, UH, 1521 BLACK FOREST LANE PINEDALE.
UM, I AM MAINLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TENTATIVE PLAT.
SO THE ZONE CHANGE, UM, WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
I HAVE, UM, FOUR DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT HAVE FILLED OUT SLIPS TONIGHT.
SO OPENING THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I GUESS I WOULD SAY ANYBODY THAT'S IN FAVOR OF IT, UM, JERRY
WELL, I WAS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I AM NOW
WE'LL LET YOU TALK RIGHT NOW ANYWAY, SINCE YOU'RE OUTSIDE AND WE'LL LET YOU OPEN, OPEN UP THE CAN OF WORMS. AND THIS IS FOR JUST THE ZONE.
MY NAME'S JERRY AK, I LIVE IN LINDEN TRAIL, 7 0 0 7 STAGE COACH PASS MY PROPERTY BACKS UP TO THEIR PROPERTY.
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UH, WHAT YOU, THE ONLY REASON I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS FIRST ONE, THE CHANGE, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET PER DWELLING, AND WE HAD A BIG MEETING LAST YEAR ON THE PROPERTIES WITH EVERYBODY FROM LYNDEN TRAILS AND FROM AROUND THERE THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA BUILD, UH, TWO ACRE HOME SITES WITH HORSES AND IT'S GONNA HAVE AN HOA.NOW, SOMEBODY IN OUR, IN OUR AREA WENT TO EVERYBODY'S HOUSE AND SAID THEY SPOKE TO ONE OF THE OWNERS AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO A, UH, HOME, UH, HOA THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M HERE.
AND WE WERE TOLD YES, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AN HOA AND THEN THE TANK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WAY UP ON TOP OF THE HILL AWAY FROM LINDEN TRAILS, AND WHO KNOWS WHERE, WHERE IT'S GONNA GO NOW, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS TENTATIVE NOW.
THEY CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT.
ONCE YOU SAY, OKAY, DO IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, OKAY.
SO IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT A LOT, BUT I'M SPEAKING FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN, LIKE I SAID, MY PROPERTY IS RIGHT.
I LOOK AT THEIR PROPERTY ALL DAY AND THERE WAS NO HOUSES GOING IN THE AREA WHERE I LIVE.
THEY'RE ALL GOING ON THE EAST SIDE, I THINK.
BUT I JUST, I JUST WANNA GET THAT CLEARED UP BECAUSE FIRST I SAY TWO ACRE LOTS.
NOW THEY'RE SAYING 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M TALKING ON NUMBER SEVEN.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONCERNS ON THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE ZONE CHANGE SPECIFICALLY OR YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF IT, THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO KNOW.
AND THEN AS THIS, AS THIS PROGRESSES, THERE WILL BE TIME TO BRING UP ISSUES ABOUT THEIR DEVELOPMENT ASPECT OF IT, WHERE THE WATER TANK GOES, THE, THE ZONE CHANGE, WHY THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WHY THEY'RE GOING TO THE ONE 10 IS TO ALLOW FOR SOME SMALL LOTS.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT WHOLE SUBDIVISION, THAT'S GONNA BE A TENTATIVE PLAT SITUATION.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE LOTS IN THERE ARE ALL GONNA BE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT.
WELL THAT'S THE REASON I STOOD UP.
NO, AND I, AND I THINK THAT WILL BE CLARIFIED IN THE NEXT HEARING WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT WHEN, WHEN STAFF PRESENTS, WHAT THE LAYOUT IS IN THE LOT SIZES.
THERE'S A HUGE RANGE OF THEM, BUT THIS IS THE ONLY ZONING DESIGNATION THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO MAKE A ZONE CHANGE TO ALLOW THEM TO DO SMALLER LOTS.
I UNDER THAT, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WANTED TO GO TO SMALLER LOTS, BUT LIKE I SAID, LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING IN THE RAIN IN THE COLD, I THINK IT WAS OCTOBER, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF US OUT THERE, AND THEY SAID THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE TWO ACRE LOTS, PERIOD.
NOW THEY'RE SAYING SMALLER LOTS TOO.
SO YES, IF THEY'RE GOING TO SMALLER LOTS, I OPPOSE IT.
IS THERE ANY, ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ZONE CHANGE? SO THESE OTHER THREE PEOPLE THAT HAVE, UM, FILLED THESE OUT ARE IN OPPOSITION.
SO SINCE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE IN FAVOR SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE ZONE CHANGE, I WILL HEAR FROM EITHER, UM, GRETCHEN, GARY OR VANCE MUER IN FAVOR OF THE ZONE CHANGE.
THAT WAS REALLY FOR THE, THE, I CAN'T TELL THE WAY THESE WERE WRITTEN.
THAT'S WHY I'M GOING OVER THIS.
I DON'T WANNA LEAVE ANYBODY OUT OF THE, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE ANYBODY OUT OF THE EQUATION.
SO ON THE ZONE CHANGE AT ALL, IF YOU FILLED ONE OUT, DO YOU CARE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ZONE CHANGE OR AGAINST THE ZONE CHANGE SPECIFICALLY? NOT THE TENTATIVE PLAT.
IF YOU CAN REMIND GARY TOWNSLEY MOVE MINE DOWN TO THE NEXT AGENDA.
THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION I NEEDED, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
YES, I, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE ZONE CHANGE, THEN WE WILL LET YOU GO AHEAD AND COME ON UP AND, AND, AND SPEAK TO US.
AND YOU'RE GRETCHEN? I'M, I'M GRETCHEN, ROBERT FULLER.
WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU FILLING WENT OUT.
I, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
IT'S MY FIRST TIME, SO I WASN'T SURE ABOUT THE FORM.
YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, GRETCHEN AND, OKAY.
GRETCHEN SCHABER, FULLER 70 60 JUNIPER WAY.
UH, AND OUR PROPERTY ABUT THEM ON THE, THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO I HAVE SEVERAL REASONS I'M AGAINST THE ZONE CHANGE.
ONCE A ZONE CHANGE IS MADE, I UNDERSTAND NOW YOU HAVE A TENTATIVE PLOT TO APPROVE, BUT I WAS AT THE APRIL MEETING AND BASICALLY WAS TOLD THEY NEED THE ZONE CHANGE BECAUSE THEY'D LIKE TO BUILD OUT THAT PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY AS TIGHTLY AS THEY CAN.
AND I FEEL LIKE 40 ACRES IN AN AREA WHERE EVERYBODY PURCHASED IN THE AREA FOR THAT MORE RURAL R GEN, OR EXCUSE ME, A GENERAL ZONING RIGHT.
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PER PROPERTY.AND IN 40 ACRES, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES WITH RUNOFF, THE WASH THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE, UM, ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE TO HAVE A SEPTIC TANK, A FUNCTIONING SEPTIC TANK.
WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT TIGHT AND SHORT TERM RENTALS, PEOPLE COMING IN THERE ABUSING SEPTIC TANKS BY FLOODING THE HOUSE.
THEY DID SAY THERE WOULD BE NO HOA, THERE'S NO FENCING.
THEY HAVE THE PLAN FOR THE OPEN PATH AROUND THE WHOLE AREA.
IF YOU, IF YOU ALLOW THE REZONING, THEN THAT'S GONNA GET WAY TOO CROWDED FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY WHERE ONE ACRE ZONING THAT THEY HAVE NOW WHERE THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AT ONE ACRE ZONING WOULD BE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO RE RECOUP THEIR COSTS.
OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THEN YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT REMAIN AS A GENERAL.
WELL, SINCE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, THAT, UM, ARE FORTHCOMING ON THE ZONE CHANGE, THEN, UH, CODY, THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, UM, JUST TO ADDRESS A FEW OF THE ITEMS THAT CAME THROUGH FOR THE PUBLIC.
UH, MAY OR MAY NOT HELP AS FAR AS CONCERNS WITH THE ZONE CHANGE.
UM, THAT R ONE 10 DOES SAY THAT YOU CAN GO DOWN TO A, A MINIMUM LOT SIZE WITH THE DWELLING UNIT OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE'LL, WE'LL SEE THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU AFTER THIS.
AS FAR AS THOSE LOT SIZES, UM, THROUGH THOSE PLATS, THOSE ARE LOCKED IN, UM, ON, ON THOSE LOTS.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE YOU CAN WILDCAT OR, OR SPLIT FURTHER.
UM, IT ALSO IS A, A SOLELY AND STRICTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO SAY YOU HAD AN ACRE PROPERTY, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN PLACE FOUR HOUSES ON IT.
UM, STILL JUST ONE ON THAT SIDE.
UM, AND JUST A CLARIFYING POINT FOR THE, THE COMMISSION IS THAT A GENERAL, UH, IT ACTUALLY DOES NOT HAVE A MINIMUM SIZE PROVIDED THAT A LOT CAN QUALIFY FOR A CONVENTIONAL SEPTIC SYSTEM.
UM, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT, BUT IT, THEY CAN IN FACT GO SMALLER THAN AN ACRE, UM, EVEN LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET IF THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE PER OR SOIL EVALUATION TESTS THAT SHOW THAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF HANDLING A TRADITIONAL, CONVENTIONAL SEPTIC SYSTEM.
SO JUST KIND OF FOOD FOR THOUGHT FOR, FOR THAT.
AND, AND TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT HERE WITHOUT GETTING TOO FAR AHEAD INTO THE TIP OF THE PLAT YEAH.
DO I NEED TO SAY MY NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN? MS. CHRISTIAN? UH, SANDY PHILLIPS 1521 BLACK FOREST LANE.
JUST WANNA, UM, ADD THAT THE SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH LYDON TRAILS IS ALSO R ONE 10 AND THE, A GENERAL LOTS TO THE SOUTH OF THIS SUBDIVISION ARE ALSO ABOUT THE SAME SIZE, ABOUT HALF ACRE AND LESS IN SIZE.
SO REALLY THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION IS INFILL.
UM, IT'S SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY.
YOU NEED TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE NAME AND ADDRESS.
BRIAN FULLER, 70 60 JUNIPER WAY.
AND ACTUALLY I'M ALSO REPRESENTING CHARLIE AND CLEO WHITE.
THEY'RE 90 AND 86 RESPECTIVELY.
OUR LOTS, OUR LAND ABUTS THE SOUTHERN PORTION, THEY'RE FOUR ACRE LOTS, NOT HALF ACRE, ONE ACRE, THEY'RE FOUR ACRES THAT GO UP AGAINST IT.
WE HAVE GENERALLY THE MOST AREA THAT'S GOING TO ABUT RIGHT TO THIS SUBDIVISION.
WE PURCHASED THIS KNOWING THAT THIS WAS ZONED NOT AT 10,000 SQUARE FEET PER HOME.
AND WE CHOSE TO LIVE HERE, AND NOW THEY WANT TO PUT A DIVISION IN HERE THAT CAN BE UP TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET HOME, JUST LINED RIGHT UP AS YOU CAN.
SO THERE IS MORE TO IT THAN JUST HALF ACRE OR A QUARTER ACRE.
THERE ARE SOME OF US THAT HAVE A LOT AT STAKE HERE THAT ARE BUTTS UP AGAINST IT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO POINT OUT.
SO YOU'RE OPPOSED TO THE ZONE CHANGE? DEFINITELY OPPOSED BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY.
YOU KNOW, WE BOUGHT KNOWING THAT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, IS, YOU KNOW, A ONE.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE COMING BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU.
THE COMMISSION FOR THE CHANGE.
UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS, GO AHEAD AND, UH, ASK FOR A MOTION.
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COMMISSIONER ADAM, I'LL JUMP IN THERE.I, UH, I MAKE A MOTION TO NAVAJO COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS ZONE CHANGE TO THE NAVAJO COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? I SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
THAT WAS ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
I WOULD MADAM CHAIR, UH, POINT OUT THAT IT STILL GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR FINAL.
IT'S, THAT'S NOT THE FINAL DECISION.
THE FINAL, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, OR, UH, CHAIRMAN SMITH? THIS IS COMMISSIONER ROGERS.
I DIDN'T, I YOUR MIC MUST HAVE BEEN OFF.
SO THAT WAS NOT A UNANIMOUS AND WE NEED, WE NEED THAT ON RECORD.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE A NOTE THAT YOU WERE VOTING, UM, IN OPPOSITION TO THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR DRAWING MY ATTENTION TO THAT.
[8. TP 24-002 JACKELOPE TRAILS TENTATIVE PLAT, DISTRICT IV: Consideration of request by Show Low Development, LLC for a Tentative Plat allowing for 41 single family residential lots for common area for pedestrian and equestrian travel as well as drainage, a well and water tank site, and accompanying roads, located on approximately 39.86-acre parcel located in the Linden area. APN#: 409-16-001A. Owner: Show Low Development, LLC. Agent: Chad Lawrence.]
TP 24 DASH 0 0 2 JACKALOPE TRAILS TENTATIVE PLAT DISTRICT FOUR, CONSIDERATION OF REQUEST BY SHOW DEVELOPMENT LLC FOR A TENTATIVE PLAT, ALLOWING FOR 41 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS FOR COMMON AREA FOR PEDESTRIAN AND EQUESTRIAN TRAVEL, AS WELL AS DRAINAGE A WELL AND WATER TANK SITE, AND ACCOMPANYING ROADS LOCATED ON APPROXIMATELY 39.86 ACRE PARCEL, LOCATED IN THE LINDEN AREA, A PN 4 0 9 DASH 16 0 0 1 A.THE OWNER IS SHALLOW DEVELOPMENT, LLC AGENT IS CHAD LAWRENCE AGAIN.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR TIME.
SO THIS IS THE TENTATIVE PLAT, MORE OF THE FOLLOW UP ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE HERE, UH, WHERE YOU WILL BE MAKING A, A FINAL DECISION TONIGHT.
I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA GET IT TO WORK, SO
UM, THERE ARE THREE SLIDES FOR THIS.
JUST BEAR WITH ME WITH SOME OF THOSE COMPONENTS THAT WERE SUMMARIZED THERE.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAME PROPERTY, 39.86 ACRES, CURRENTLY ZONED EIGHT GENERAL AND WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR THE R ONE 10 PROPOSED ZONING.
UM, THE OWNER IS SOLO DEVELOPMENT, LLC.
THEY HAVE PROPOSED 41 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
THOSE LOTS RANGE FROM ABOUT A HALF AN ACRE TO A LITTLE OVER TWO ACRES IN SIZE.
THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE PROPOSED IS 0.80 ACRES.
UM, THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THESE LOTS WOULD BE SERVED BY SEPTIC SYSTEMS, CONVENTIONAL OR ALTERNATIVE, DEPENDING ON THE SOIL'S ANALYSIS FOR THOSE SPECIFIC LOTS.
UH, CONTINUING, THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 0.85 ACRES OF COMMON AREA.
THEY'VE SHOWN A PROPOSAL FOR A WATER WELL AND TANK WITH THIS, UH, 15 FOOT TRAIL FOR PEDESTRIAN AND EQUESTRIAN EASEMENT, UM, DRAINAGE EASEMENTS ON SITE INUNDATION AND DRAINAGE AREAS.
ALSO INDICATED ON THIS TENTATIVE PLAT.
AND WITH THIS BEING R ONE 10 ZONING PROPOSED, THEY HAVE PROPOSED 20 FOOT FRONT AND REAR SETBACKS AS WELL AS 10 ON THE SIDES.
AND THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD PAVE ROADS TO BE MAINTAINED BY A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
SO THOSE WOULD NOT BE DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY.
UM, THEY HAVE ALSO PROPOSED A NON VEHICULAR ACCESS EASEMENT AROUND THE EXTERIOR OF THE SUBDIVISION.
AND JUST WRAPPING UP, UM, THE, THE TRACKS THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THIS SLIDE, SO KIND OF MENTIONING, AGAIN, THO THOSE AREAS, BUT THEY'VE CALLED 'EM OUT SPECIFICALLY ON THE PLAT AS FAR AS PEDESTRIAN EQUESTRIAN DRAINAGE, WELL IN WATER TANK.
SO THOSE ARE JUST THE, THE TRACKED LETTERS THAT CORRELATE WITH SOME OF THOSE USES NOTED PRIOR.
ALL RIGHT, AGAIN, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR AND A HALF MILES JUST OFF OF THAT, UH, INTERSECTION IN CHILLO.
THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY HERE FOR YOU.
ONCE AGAIN, UM, THIS IS THE OVERALL OF THE PLAT, KIND OF YOUR, YOUR LARGE VIEW FOR THIS.
IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, THIS BREAKS DOWN THE, THE WESTERN PORTION, UH, OF THIS, AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND THIS IS THE, THE EASTERN PORTION THAT GOES UP THERE TOWARDS LONE PINE DAM ROAD.
UH, SO WE HAVE RECEIVED 13 COMMENTS
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AS FAR AS THIS PROJECT, UM, SPECIFIC TO THE TENTATIVE PLAT AGAINST THE PROJECT ITSELF.UM, THOSE CONCERNS PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE LAST ONE.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE, UH, THE WATER SYSTEM FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, SOIL CONDITIONS FOR SEPTIC SYSTEMS, DRAINAGE AND FLOODING IMPACT RURAL LIFESTYLE IMPACTS OF LIGHTING WITHIN THE AREA.
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT TRAFFIC, LACK OF FENCING AND, AND CONCERNS OVER ISSUES RELATED TO CONSTRUCTION.
STAFF DID GO THROUGH AND ANALYZE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS ITEM, AS WELL AS OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
UM, IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH A, A LARGE AMOUNT OF THE GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS INITIALLY RECEIVED, IT WAS RECEIVED PRIOR TO THE, UM, ONE ACRE MINIMUM GOING IN AS FAR AS REQUIRING SEWER SYSTEMS FOR THOSE UNDER ONE ACRE.
HOWEVER, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IT WAS NOT ACCEPTED AND COMPLETE.
AT THE POINT IN TIME THAT IT WAS ACCEPTED AND COMPLETE, THAT ORDINANCE HAD GONE INTO EFFECT.
AND BASED UPON THAT, STAFF HAS ANALYZED AND FOUND THAT THERE COULD BE, UH, DAMAGE TO THE PUBLIC WELFARE, UH, ON THIS ITEM.
AND IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, MEANING THAT WE HAVE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS PROJECT.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
YOU PUT THE, UM, WELL GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE OVERALL THAT SHOWS THE OVERALL, THE OVERALL ONE.
SANDY PHILLIPS, UH, 1 5 2 1 BLACK FOREST LANE.
UM, I'M THE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
AND THE, UM, APPROACH ON THIS PROJECT IS THE CURRENT LANDOWNERS, UM, HAVE LIVED IN THE AREA FOR A LONG TIME AND UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ENJOYED THIS AS, UM, OPEN.
UM, BUT IT HAS COME A TIME TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.
AND SO WITH THE COMMUNITY IN MIND, WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE DONE LARGER LOTS.
SO THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS OVER 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS THE HALF ACRE, THE 21,000 SQUARE FEET.
THERE ARE LOTS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT ARE QUITE A BIT LARGER THAN THAT.
IT GOES UP TO APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES.
A LOT OF WHAT WE ARE AWARE OF THE, UH, WASH THAT GOES THROUGH THIS PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATED, AND ALL LOTS ARE DEVELOPABLE.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, INSTEAD OF, UH, DOING A FULL BLOWN HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS, AS WE'VE EVALUATED THE AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY INUNDATED AND MADE SURE THAT, UM, THE LOTS ARE DEVELOPABLE AND THE CONVEYANCE OF THE WASH THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION WILL MEET NAVAJO COUNTY'S, UM, REQUIREMENTS OF ENTERING AND EXITING IN ITS HISTORIC MANNER.
SO, UM, A LOT OF THE WASH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS GOING THROUGH THE BACK OF THE LOTS.
UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS IS, UH, UH, THE PERIMETER FENCING.
UH, WE WILL HAVE AN HOA ON THIS PROPERTY, 24 FOOT WIDE PAVED ROADWAYS THAT WILL BE PRIVATE.
THE PERIMETER OF THE SUBDIVISION HAS A PEDESTRIAN EQUESTRIAN TRAIL THAT'S BEING SET ASIDE.
SO NO FENCING WILL BE, UM, ON THAT TRAIL THAT GOES AROUND THE PERIMETER.
LIGHTING, UM, IS NOT ANTICIPATED ON THIS SUBDIVISION.
THE ONLY LIGHTING WOULD BE ON THE ENTRANCE, ON AN ENTRANCE SIGN.
UM, WE ARE ANTICIPATING AND UNDERSTAND THE, UH, CONCERNS OF SEPTIC IN THIS AREA.
WE'RE, UM, ACUTELY AWARE OF THE DIFFICULTIES THAT THE SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH HAS HAD.
AND, UH, WE ARE, WE'VE LOOKED INTO AND PREPARED TO DO ALTERNATIVE SEPTIC SYSTEMS ON THE LOTS THAT DO NOT MEET THE PERC REQUIREMENTS.
AND IT'S THE ALTERNATIVE SEPTIC SYSTEMS THAT ARE IN PLACE NOW, REDUCE THE NITROGEN BY 60 TO 70%.
SO THE TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY HAVE NOW ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS IS AMAZING.
UM, NAVAJO COUNTY, UM, RESTRICTS THE SEPTIC SYSTEM PLACEMENT TO THE FLOODWAY, NOT THE FLOOD PLAIN.
UM, AND WITH AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM, IT TREATS IT TO, UM, ALMOST A TERTIARY, UH, LEVEL, SO IT WILL NOT CONTAMINATE THE WASH.
I WANNA TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.
SO, WATER SYSTEM, ONE OF THE TOPICS IN THE CONCERNS WAS THE WATER SYSTEM.
YOU SEE A LARGE PARCEL ON THE FAR WEST
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SIDE OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT'S BEING SET ASIDE FOR THE WATER TANK.UH, THE, THE OWNER AND DEVELOPERS HAVE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH A WATER DISTRIBUTION, UH, COMPANY PLAN ON DOING A, UH, SIGNIFICANT TANK AND PROVIDING WATER TO ALL OF THE LOTS, SO THERE WON'T BE INDIVIDUAL WELLS.
UM, IF THIS WAS TO STAY A GENERAL, UM, THERE WOULD STILL BE POTENTIALLY 39 LOTS DEVELOPED ON THIS.
UM, SO, UM, THE DEVELOPER FELT LIKE THIS WAS A BETTER ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY WITH THE BREAKING UP THE THROUGH ROAD AND, UM, CREATING AN HOA AND DOING THE CUL-DE-SACS.
I DID WANNA TOUCH ON, UH, AGAIN, ALL THESE LOTS ARE BUILDABLE.
YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S SMALL AREAS THAT ARE NOT IN THE INUNDATION AREA, AND THAT'S WITHOUT ANY KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CONVEYANCE OF THE WASH.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE WASH CANNOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH.
AND TO, UH, ADDRESS ONE OF THE COMMENTS ON THE PREVIOUS SUBDIVISION.
UH, THERE ARE NO TREES ON THIS, THIS PARCEL.
UM, IT'S BEEN GRAZING LAND THAT, UH, STOCK POND IS IN PLACE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE, UH, TANK SITE.
WE'RE NOT SURE AT THIS TIME WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE STOCK TANK.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD.
CHAD LAWRENCE, 4 7, 4 5 MOUNTAIN HOLLOW LOOP IN SHOW LOW.
I AM ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE LLC SHOW DEVELOPMENT.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT AND EVERYBODY FOR LISTENING TO US.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS REGARDING THE PLANNING OF THE SUBDIVISION AND WHAT OUR OVERALL GOALS WERE FROM THE BEGINNING.
AND THERE'LL BE ANOTHER GENTLEMAN THAT WILL SPEAK TO THIS AS WELL.
IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE FAMILY THAT'S ON THIS LAND FOR DECADES, THAT IF IT WERE DEVELOPED, IT'D BE DONE IN A, IN A, IN A CONSCIOUS WAY THAT WILL KEEP THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORS IN MIND.
UH, CONSERVATIVE ALLOW FOR WILDLIFE TO STILL TRAVERSE THE AREA, UH, THE AESTHETICS.
AS FAR AS THE HOMES, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WERE SITE-BUILT HOMES, QUALITY HOMES.
WE WANTED TO HAVE A, A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CONTROL OVER HOW THE PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED.
UH, A FEW THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP.
I, I WISH I WOULD'VE STOOD UP, UH, DURING THE ZONING CHANGE.
I THINK I MIGHT'VE BEEN ABLE TO ENLIGHTEN A FEW ON SOME POINTS BECAUSE THERE'S, UH, SOME ERRONEOUS THINGS THAT WERE THROWN AROUND THERE.
UH, WE NE WE NEVER DID EVER PLAN TO HAVE NO HOA ON THE SUBDIVISION.
WE RESPECT THE COUNTIES, UH, SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THE PLANNING.
AND CODY AND, AND OTHERS HAVE, HAVE BEEN KEY IN, IN INFORMING US AND GUIDING US THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.
WE FEEL LIKE THE HO A IS VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT TO THIS.
SOME PEOPLE HATE HOAS, BUT SOMETIMES THEY'RE A NECESSARY EVIL.
IN THIS CASE, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOMES, UH, WERE GOVERNED BY AN ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE OF SORTS, AND, AND THAT THEY WERE QUALITY.
WE WANTED TO CREATE SOMETHING THE PUBLIC COULD ENJOY.
AND NOT JUST THE PRIVATE, UH, OWNERS OF THE SUBDIVISION.
BUT WE'VE INVITED AND STILL CONVI CONTINUE TO SEE OTHER PEOPLE FROM, UH, ADJOINING PARCELS CONTINUE TO UTILIZE WHAT IS TO BE.
OUR PERIMETER WALKING TRAIL IS PLANNED TO BE FOR EQUESTRIAN USE, BICYCLES, PEDESTRIAN USE, NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES EXCEPT FOR MA MAYBE MAINTENANCE FROM TIME TO TIME.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE INTO THE, THE, THE PLANNING SO THAT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS COULD ENJOY IT AS WELL.
UM, WE HAD A LOT OF REAL POSITIVE FEEDBACK DURING OUR PUBLIC INPUT PORTION OF THIS.
UH, I WISH I WOULD'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO PURPOSEFULLY COLLECT LETTERS OR INVITE SOME FOLKS TO THE MEETING.
UH, HINDSIGHT, I, I THINK WE WOULD'VE HAD A, A DIFFERENT OUTLOOK ON THIS AT THIS POINT IF WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE APPRECIATE OUR APPROACH AND OUR CONSERVATIVE NATURE AS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS.
THE, THE POINT IS, IS A GENERAL, SOMEDAY SOMEBODY'S DEVELOPED THIS, IT'S GONNA TURN INTO SOMETHING SOMEDAY, MAYBE NOT.
UH, NOW, MAYBE 10 YEARS FROM NOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, AT SOME POINT, IT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE PIERCE FAMILY WHO, WHO HAS OWNED THIS LAND FOR A LONG TIME, THAT THIS BE DEVELOPED IN A, IN A THOUGHTFUL, MINDFUL MANNER.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE INPUT FROM SOME OF THE LOCAL FOLKS THAT HAVE SHOWN UP
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IN OPPOSITION.I RECOGNIZE SOME FROM THE MEETING.
I SPOKE AT THE MEETING, SO I'M CONFUSED AS TO HOW THE TWO ACRE MINIMUM OR THE NO HOA ASPECT OF THIS CAME INTO PLAY.
I WAS AT THAT MEETING AND WE, WE TALKED IN, IN LENGTH ABOUT THIS STUFF.
UM, MORE TO THE POINT OF, OF THE, THE, THE, A GENERAL ZONING VERSUS THE ARLINGTON THAT WE'RE SEEKING TONIGHT IS THE ARLINGTON ALLOWS US TO BUILD THIS, BUILD THIS SUBDIVISION IN A WAY THAT HAS A MINDFUL INGRE EGRESS OUT BOTH SIDES.
IT'S GOT A THOROUGH FILTER THROUGH THE MIDDLE, A FEW CUL-DE-SACS.
UH, IT KEEPS, WE, WE DO PLAN ON KEEPING A STOCK TANK.
PEOPLE HAVE ENJOYED THAT TANK FOR DECADES.
WE WANTED TO, UH, COMMIT THAT TO A, A COMMON AREA, A PARK ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED IN A SAFE WAY.
UH, WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN LARGER LOT SIZES.
WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN THE PERIMETER.
WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE WHOLE AREA.
WE DIDN'T WANNA LOSE CONTROL OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS IN THE FUTURE OF SOMEONE WHERE TO GET AHOLD OF THIS AND TURN IT INTO, YOU KNOW, A, A, A MORE DENSE, OR SOMEHOW PEOPLE COULD BUILD A SEWER PLANT IN THERE AND THEY COULD PUT MORE DENSE COMMUNITY IN THERE.
WE DIDN'T THINK PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE RETENTION PONDS IN SEWER PLANT.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, OF NEAT TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE THAT ADDRESSES THE NITRATE CONCERNS AND THE SEPTIC CONCERNS MORE.
TO THE POINT THOUGH OF THE NUMBER OF LOTS.
WE COULD DO 39 LOTS IN THERE AND HAVE 39 SEPTIC SYSTEMS WITHOUT SEEKING THE ZONE CHANGE.
WE'RE SEEKING THE ZONE CHANGE SO THAT WE CAN DO A THOUGHTFUL COMMUNITY THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL THE GOALS OF THE COUNTY AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS IN A WAY THAT WE CAN CONTROL.
AND, AND IN A WAY WE CAN MAINTAIN PUBLIC SAFETY AND WE CAN ASSURE THAT, THAT THE GROUNDWATER'S NOT EFFECTIVE AND THAT THE NITRATE LEVELS DON'T RISE TO LEVELS THAT AREN'T SAFE.
AND, AND, UH, AND JUST KEEP THOSE ARCHITECTURAL ASPECTS IN MIND AND, AND CONTROL, CONTROL THEM.
UM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A REAL POSITIVE THING.
LYNDON IS STARVING FOR, FOR BUILDABLE AREA, FOR SUBDIVISIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR AN AVERAGE FAMILY THAT CAN'T AFFORD A HOME IN SHOW LOW ANYMORE.
TO BUILD, ABLE TO BUILD A HOME AND HAVE A, UH, A RURAL SETTING TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY, TO RAISE A FAMILY IN WHERE YOU CAN HAVE, UH, SOME ANIMALS AND, AND ENJOY OF THE RURAL NATURE OF, OF THE SUBDIVISION.
LINDEN DOESN'T HAVE IT, UH, SHOW LOW IN GENERAL AS THE FORMER, UH, THE OTHER FOLKS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE OTHER SUBDIVISION, SAME, SAME ARGUMENTS.
WE WANTED TO CONTROL HOW IT WOULD, UH, COMPLEMENT THE SURROUNDING AREA AND, AND, AND KEEP IT FROM, FROM BECOMING SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD NOT APPRECIATE.
A LOT OF INPUT, A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT, A LOT OF COMMENTS WERE PUT INTO OUR THOUGHTFUL PLANNING OF THIS WHOLE THING.
UM, DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THE LAST RECOMMENDATION, BUT MAYBE WITH THESE WORDS, YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN THOUGHTFUL AND HAVE PLANNED THIS OUT IN, IN, IN A, IN A CONSTRUCTIVE WAY.
AND WE HAVE INCORPORATED A LOT OF THOUGHTS AND IDEAS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS.
I GUESS I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
UM, I KNOW THAT JR WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING TOO.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA COME UP REAL QUICK.
UM, MY ADDRESS IS 10 80 NORTH FAIRWAY DRIVE, UH, SHOW.
AND I'M A PART OF THE SHOW, SHOW DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
UM, BUT SO THIS IS PROPERTY HAS, I THINK, BEEN IN, UM, OUR FAMILY FOR I THINK OVER 80 YEARS.
SO I THINK MY GRANDPA WAS 17 YEARS OLD WHEN, WHEN HE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY.
SO IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
SO IT DID TAKE, UM, THE, THE, IT WAS IN A FAMILY TRUST AND IT DID TAKE SOME TIME FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE TO DECIDE TO THE FAMILY MEMBERS, AUNTS AND UNCLES, AND, AND MY PARENTS AND EVERYBODY TO DECIDE TO GO AHEAD AND SELL IT.
UM, BUT THEY DID, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS A COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, NICE AND TAKEN CARE OF AND, AND, UM, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY LIVE ON A LEGACY OF THAT, BUT, UM, JUST SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE NICE.
AND SO THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UP TO PAR WITH EVERYTHING AND, AND, UM, AND THAT IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE NICE AND TAKEN CARE OF.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, BUT WE DEFINITELY DO WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
BUT THANKS FOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WELL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS THEN.
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MR. MOOD.I LIVE AT 7 6 0 2 BLACKIES ROAD IN TAYLOR.
I AM, I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE, THE SEPTIC ISSUE.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT THERE.
I'VE, I'VE DONE TESTING THROUGHOUT THE LINDEN AREA.
IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOME'S BETTER THAN OTHERS.
UH, AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS THIS SUBDIVISION IN PARTICULAR, UM, THERE, THERE IS TECHNOLOGY THERE, EVEN FOR SMALLER LOTS.
UH, THE, THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY, UH, REDUCES THE, THE BIOLOGICAL OXYGEN DEMAND KNOWN AS BOD, THE TSS, UH, TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS, THE NITROGEN REDUCTION, UH, DOES IT IN A SUFFICIENT MANNER TO MEET, TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS SO THAT IT, IT WOULDN'T BE OVERBEARING ON THE, AND AND POLLUTE THE GROUNDWATER.
UM, THAT, THAT TECHNOLOGY IS READILY AVAILABLE, EASY TO INSTALL AND WOULD, WOULD WORK PERFECT IN THIS, IN THIS SUBDIVISION IF, IF ALLOWED.
GARY TOWNSLEY, 1142 LONE PINE DAM ROAD.
UH, MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN JANUARY.
IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE PLOT PLAN THAT SHOWS IT, WE BASICALLY OWN 1.8 ACRES ON THE EAST SIDE, ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THAT LENGTH.
AND CHAD CAME OUT TO OUR PROPERTY BACK IN THE SPRINGTIME AND BASICALLY, UH, BULLIED MY WIFE AND I, UH, SAYING THAT THE PROPERTY, SOME OF OUR PROPERTY, WHICH WE BOUGHT IT IN JANUARY, WAS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
WELL, THE CATTLE FENCE LINE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS HAS BEEN KNOWN AS THE PROPERTY LINE FOR THREE DIFFERENT OWNERS OF OUR PROPERTY OVER ALL THESE YEARS.
AND HE'S SAYING, WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOUR, UH, CARPORT AND YOUR SHED AND ALL THAT.
WELL, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE OUR HOMEWORK AND THAT PROPERTY IS OURS 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN OVER 20 YEARS WITH THAT CARPORT AND THE SHED THERE.
AND IT ONLY HAS TO BE THERE FOR 10 YEARS.
AND SO WITH THE, UH, COURTS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO.
YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR ADJUSTMENTS TO IT.
IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR THAT PROPERTY FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
AND AGAIN, LOOKING AT THINGS THAT I'VE SAID BEFORE.
AND THERE, THERE IS A LOT OF HOUSES WANTING TO BE BUILT ON LESS THAN 40 ACRES.
AND WE ALREADY KNOW THE DRAINAGE AND ALL THAT.
AND THE FLOODPLAIN IS RIGHT THERE.
AND YOU ADD IN THAT MANY HOUSES AND THAT MANY STREETS AND DRIVEWAYS, WE KNOW WE'RE ON THE EDGE OF THE FLOOD FLOODPLAIN.
AND WHAT BACKS US UP IS THE OTHER END OF THE OTHER PART OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND WHERE'S ALL THAT WATER GONNA GO DOWN THROUGH THE FLOODPLAIN, IF NONE OF IT'S GONNA SOAK IN ON THOSE 40 ACRES, HARDLY.
'CAUSE THERE'S HOUSES AND ROADS AND DRIVEWAYS THERE.
IT'S ALL GONNA COME THROUGH THE WASH, WHICH RUNS RIGHT THROUGH OUR PROPERTY.
AND SO WE'RE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS TO WHAT RAINWATER DOES SOAK IN NOW.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU GUYS NEED TO THINK ABOUT HAVING A FEW LESS HOUSES ON THE PROPERTY.
DO YOU WANNA FOLLOW UP WITH ANYTHING? ANY MORE COMMENTS? NO, I THINK, ARE THERE OTHER NAMES FOR THIS PARTICULAR OKAY.
YEAH, IF YOU, IF
AND I, I ACTUALLY WAS THERE AT THAT MEETING IN APRIL AND ASKED ABOUT
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HOA AND WAS TOLD THAT THERE WAS NO PLAN FOR AN HOA AT THAT TIME.I, I HEARD IT MYSELF, AS DID MY HUSBAND.
SO NOW YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR AN HOA, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S GOOD.
AND WE KNOW THAT THE LAND WILL BE DEVELOPED.
SOMEBODY BOUGHT IT, OWNED IT FOR ALL THESE YEARS.
BUT AGAIN, THE CONCENTRATION OF HOMES AND THE ISSUE, I UNDERSTAND ALTERNATIVE SYSTEMS HAVE IMPROVED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, BUT THAT'S STILL A LOT OF HOMES IN AN AREA WHERE ALL OF US WHO LIVE THERE HAVE SEEN TO OF WATER RUNNING THROUGH.
AND HIS POINT ABOUT THE GROUNDWATER AND ALL OF US ON WELLS IS AN ISSUE FOR US THAT WATER'S GONNA RUN OFF INSTEAD OF GOING INTO THE GROUNDWATER.
AND SO WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT CONCENTRATION OF HOMES, ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE SECURITY.
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT OPEN TRAIL FOR ALL THE PUBLIC THAT ABUTS ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES AND WOULD RATHER HAVE SOME ALTERNATIVE THAN NEW CAMERAS FOR US, BETTER FENCES FOR US ALONG THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY'VE OPENED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
AND COMMISSIONERS, I, I JUST WANNA, UM, CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS AND CODY'S GONNA HELP CLARIFY A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.
UM, THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS, YOU KNOW, ADOPTED, RECOMMENDED FOR ADOPTION BY THIS, THIS BOARD, THIS COMMISSION, AND THEN ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THAT'S THE REASON WHY, OR ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY THAT STAFF HAS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL IS BECAUSE THE ONE ACRE, UM, IS, IS NOT BEING MET AND THEY'RE NOT COMING UP WITH THE, UM, WHAT WE ALREADY PUT IN THE ORDINANCE.
NOW THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO RECOMMEND.
YOU GUYS HAVE MORE AUTHORITY THAN THAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR.
BUT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF HAS TO BE DENIAL.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S VERY CLEAR.
IF THIS BOARD WERE TO DECIDE THAT THEY WERE OKAY GOING OUTSIDE OF THE, THE ORDINANCE OF BEING THAT SOME OF THE, THE LOTS ARE ARE SMALLER THAN AN ACRE, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT THERE WOULD BE A CONDITION, UM, PLACED UPON, UM, THIS TENTATIVE PLAT THAT FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD BE PURCHASING THESE LOTS.
THAT THERE, UM, BE SOME, SOME WAY THAT THEY, UM, ATTACH THAT TO THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS SO THAT THE PUBLIC PURCHASING KNOWS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT ON THE ALTERNATIVE SYSTEMS THAT THEY, THEY'VE ALREADY ADMITTED THAT THEY WOULD, UM, REQUIRE.
UM, AND THAT, THAT MR. MUTTER, YOU KNOW, SPOKE TO THAT, THAT WORKS WELL ON THESE SMALLER LOTS AND, AND HELPS WITH THE DENITRIFICATION.
SO I JUST, I I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S VERY CLEAR.
UM, ALONG THAT SAME LINE THEN, WHAT, WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE OF THIS? UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT GOING BY THOSE BOUNDARIES THAT ARE SET.
'CAUSE THEY'RE THERE FOR A REASON.
YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCES ARE, ARE THERE FOR A REASON.
AND, AND I'M, I'M NOT REAL THRILLED.
I HAVEN'T, I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THE PROJECT.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS WELL LAID OUT, BUT I DON'T LIKE SETTING A PRECEDENCE FOR THAT FROM DOWN THE ROAD.
I'VE BEEN ON THE RECEIVING END OF THAT AND, AND IT'S NOT FUN BEING A REALTOR.
I, I'VE NOT APPRECIATED THAT, BUT I'VE UNDERSTOOD IT.
AND SO IT KIND OF STICKS WITH ME IN TERMS OF, OF MAKING, YOU KNOW, MAKING A, AN EXCEPTION TO A RULE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO BY FROM HERE ON OUT.
I, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S SETTING THAT PRECEDENT.
DOES, DOES THE COUNTY SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE COMING BACK AT THEM LATER? IF, IF, IF WE DO THIS AND IT MOVES FORWARD ABOUT, WELL, YOU, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO FACE THAT MUSIC DOWN THE ROAD,
SO NO DECISIONS YOU MAKE WILL BE PRECEDENTIAL IN NATURE.
HOWEVER, IT OF COURSE WILL COME UP IN FUTURE HEARINGS FOR ITEMS WHILE, WHILE IT'S NOT LEGALLY PRESIDENTIAL, IT, IT WOULD BE A, A TOPIC OF CONCERN RAISED OF, OF COURSE ON THAT.
YEAH, AND I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ON, ON SOME OF THE POINTS IF THIS WAS LEFT, UH, UNSU SUBDIVIDED WITH THAT A GENERAL ZONING AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO SPLIT DOWN TO THOSE SMALLER SIZES, AS I HAD INDICATED, UM, A SINGULAR ENTITY OR GROUP OF, UH, INDIVIDUALS IN AN ENTITY THAT ARE, ARE RELATED ARE ONLY ABLE TO SPLIT ONE LOT INTO FIVE RESULTING
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PARCELS ONCE EVERY 10 YEARS BASED ON STATE LAW AND OUR MINOR LAND DIVISION ORDINANCE.UM, SO ONE ENTITY COULD ONLY DO FIVE TOTAL PARCELS EVERY 10 YEARS.
FOR ANYONE ELSE TO COME IN AND SPLIT FURTHER, THEY WOULD'VE TO BE WHOLLY UNRELATED, OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE AN ILLEGAL SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS PURSUED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF REAL ESTATE.
SO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
AS FAR AS THE POTENTIAL FOR FURTHER SPLITTING ON SUBDIVIDED, THERE ARE REGULATIONS THAT OVERSEE THAT AND LIMIT CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF SPLITS OVER CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF TIME TO PREVENT, UH, LARGE SCALE WILDCAT SPLITTING THAT WOULD RESULT IN MANY LOTS WITHOUT APPROPRIATE INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF IT IS, OR THIS ISN'T RECOMMENDATION, THIS IS ACTUAL FINAL CALL, HUH? YEAH.
IF IT'S DENIED TONIGHT, THEY ARE, IS THERE A TIME LIMIT BEFORE THEY CAN COME BACK TO US WITH A REVISED? UM, THE TYPICAL TIME LIMIT IS A 12 MONTH PERIOD THAT, THAT HAS TO BE WAITED FOR AFTER, UH, A DENIAL TO COME FORWARD WITH A A THE SAME OR AN AMENDED PROPOSAL FOR A, FOR A PROPERTY.
SO TYPICALLY ONE YEAR IS THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND, AND AGAIN, THE, WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING THIS ONE, YOU'LL BE HAVING THE FINAL DECISION ON WHAT THIS ONE WE WOULD.
BUT OF COURSE, IF THIS WAS APPROVED, THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH A FINAL PLAT WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WHICH HAS MORE DEFINED TECHNICAL STUDIES AND REFINEMENT OF THE LOTS THEMSELVES.
SO WHILE IT IS A FINAL DECISION OF THE COMMISSION, IT IS NOT THE FINAL DECISION ON A, UH, PROPOSAL IF APPROVED, IF DENIED, IF THE, IT WOULD BE THE FINAL DECISION UPON DENIAL.
AND, AND, SORRY, I I JUMPED BACK UP HERE,
UM, BUT CODY BROUGHT UP SOMETHING AND I JUST WANNA, UM, MAKE SURE TO CLARIFY ON THAT TOO, THAT YES, THERE IS A, A, A FINAL PLAT AND, AND YOU, YOU HEARD, UM, THE ENGINEER, UH, SPEAK ABOUT HOW THEY'VE DONE JUST PRELIMINARY WORK ON THE, UM, THE, THE FLOOD, UH, THE INUNDATION ZONES, THE, THE, THE, UM, THE RUNOFF, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THEY, THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE MORE DATA ON THAT AND THAT THAT WILL COULD CHANGE THE, THE, THE PLAT.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF HAD SPOKEN WITH THEM ABOUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD WHEN THEY WANTED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
UM, STAFF ORIGINALLY WAS ASKING FOR A, A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA ON THAT, BUT WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AS LONG AS THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT FURTHER DATA THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR THE FINAL PLAT COULD, COULD ALTER THINGS JUST SLIGHTLY.
OKAY, CHAIR, UM, CODY, CAN UM, CODY SPEAK TO, UM, WITH THE DENIAL OF THE REZONE, HOW WOULD THE PRELIMINARY TENTATIVE PLAT IF IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL? OR IS THERE AN OPTION FOR THE OWNER TO, UH, TABLE THE SUBMITTAL SO THAT IT'S NOT THE TENTATIVE PLAT? WHAT ARE THOSE OPTIONS? YEAH, SO AS FAR AS THE, THE ZONE CHANGE, UM, IT'S ONLY A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT.
SO IF THAT WAS DENIED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NO TENTATIVE PLAT COULD MOVE FORWARD.
YOU CAN'T SUBDIVIDE WITHIN A GENERAL ZONING.
UM, WITH THAT, IF THE BOARD WERE TO OVERTURN THE APPROVE, UM, THEN, THEN IT COULD BE APPROVED AS A TENTATIVE PLAT AS FAR AS THE, THE REGULATIONS WENT THROUGH, UM, ALMOST BECOMES A CHICKEN EGG THING TO, TO SOME EXTENT WHERE THOSE APPROVALS ARE THERE, BUT THEY, THEY ARE CONDITIONED AROUND ONE ANOTHER FOR APPROVAL SO THAT THEY WOULD BIND BASED ON FINAL DECISIONS FOR EACH OF THOSE.
UM, AS FAR AS TABLING, WITHDRAWING OR OTHERWISE, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT CAN ALWAYS WITHDRAW.
UM, THE APPLICANT CAN REQUEST OF THE COMMISSION THAT THEY ENCOURAGE A TABLING, UH, BUT THEY CAN'T, UH, FORCE A TABLING ON THIS IF THE, IF THE COMMISSION WENT FORWARD WITH A DECISION AND BASED UPON THE FACT THAT THERE HAS BEEN A, A RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT, THAT ZONE CHANGE ALREADY, UM, THAT WE'LL EITHER HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR BE FORMALLY WITHDRAWN, UM, AT THAT POINT.
SO JUST SOMEWHAT CLARIFYING MUDDY WATERS, AND I KNOW THEY'RE PRETTY MUDDY, BUT THESE DO TIE TOGETHER AS FAR AS APPROVALS.
ONE CANNOT HAPPEN WITHOUT ONE CAN HAPPEN WITH THE OTHER, BUT WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF STAFF, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TO HAPPEN WITHOUT THE OTHER IN THAT SCHEDULE OF DEVELOPMENT.
COR CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING ROBERT K'S ORDER IS WHAT WE ADHERE TO.
AND IF YOU TABLE SOMETHING, YOU CAN ONLY TABLE IT TO THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING.
IT NEEDS TO BE TO A SPECIFIC DATE FOR THAT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THAT HAS TO BE A DATE RIGHT.
AND THEN OF COURSE YOU CAN, YOU CAN FURTHER TABLE, UM, BEYOND THAT FROM, FROM THAT AREA.
BUT YES, IT HAS TO BE A DEFINED DATA.
IT CAN'T BE, UM, INDEFINITELY TABLED.
THERE WAS SOME ACCUSATIONS MADE ABOUT THE
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10 YEAR RULES.YOU KNOW, IF YOU MAINTAINED PROPERTY FOR 10 YEARS, YOU CAN FILE FOR TITLE IS THE, WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, IS THAT A FACT THAT HE MIGHT OWN THIS PROPERTY? I'M NOT SURE I'M FOLLOWING HERE.
THAT MADE ACCUSATION OF STATING THAT HE OWNED THE PROPERTY BECAUSE HE HAD MAINTAINED IT FOR 10 YEARS.
YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE WHOLLY SETTLED BY THE COURTS.
THAT'S OUTSIDE OF STAFF'S PURVIEW, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THAT WOULD BE A CIVIL MATTER THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, RESOLVED BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, WE, WE HAVE NO SAYER INPUT.
WE DO HAVE WHAT RECORDS ARE ON, UM, AND WITH THE RECORDER AND, AND LISTED ON THAT PROPERTY, WHICH SHOWED THE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER HERE, WHICH HAS SIGNED OFF ON THIS.
SO ANY DISPUTES AS TO OWNERSHIP WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM AND NOT US.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CODY IF THAT'S OKAY? YEP, ABSOLUTELY.
COMMISSIONER ROGERS, UH, CODY, YOU, YOU GUYS WERE RECOMMENDED DENIAL.
WAS THAT ONLY BECAUSE WE DID NOT APPROVE THE ZONE CHANGE OR WAS THERE ANOTHER REASON? NO, SO THAT, THAT RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL WA WAS INPUT BEFORE ANY RECOMMENDATION BY THE COMMISSION HERE.
THAT RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, UH, WAS BECAUSE THIS SUBDIVISION DID NOT MEET THE, THE ONE ACRE, UM, OR GREATER TO HAVE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. IT, IT HAS MANY PARCELS UNDER THAT ONE ACRE WITH OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UH, WHICH WOULD TYPICALLY REQUIRE SEWER.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS THE, THE STRONGEST BASIS AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL HERE TO THE, THE COMMISSION BASED UPON THAT AND, AND SEPTIC RESULTS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION DISCUSSION? AND I'M READY FOR A MOTION.
UM, COMMISSIONER SMITH IS HIS COMMISSIONER ROGERS.
I WOULD MOTION, I DON'T HAVE THE ITEM NUMBER, BUT I WOULD MOTION THAT WE DENY THIS, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME TO READ THAT OFF.
THAT WOULD BE, UH, TP 24 DASH 0 0 2.
AND YOU'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
THERE'S A, A MOTION, UM, TO RECOMMEND A DENIAL.
IS THERE A SECOND? OH, CHUCK, HOW? OKAY.
SO, UH, MOTION AND A SECOND WE'LL PUT IT TO A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING DENIAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
ISN'T THAT CORRECT? YOU'RE SHAKING, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD YES SIR.
BUT WE'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL.
NO, WITH, WITH THIS ONE BEING THE
THANK YOU
SO, UM, ALL THOSE IN, IN FAVOR OF DENYING THIS, UM, ITEM TP 24 DASH 0 0 2 REQUEST FOR THE TENTATIVE PLAT CONSIDERATION.
ANYBODY OPPOSED? SO IT'S A UNANIMOUS DENIAL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR PRESENTATION REASON FOR THE PROCESS.
[9. COMMISSIONER’S COMMENTS AND/OR DIRECTIONS TO STAFF: Commissioners may use this time to offer additional comments regarding any item on this agenda, or any other topic; and the Commission may direct staff to study or provide additional information on topics of the Commissions’ choosing.]
ARE, COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS AND DIRECTIONS AND OR DIRECTIONS TO STAFF.DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANYTHING WE'D LIKE TO CHEW ON STAFF ABOUT? GUESS NOT YOU.
I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY SOME, SOMETHING REALLY SIMPLE.
WE TALK A LOT ABOUT WINDMILLS AND SOLAR PANELS, AND I'M QUITE FRANKLY TIRED OF THE WHOLE THING.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PERSONALLY SOME RESOURCES DEVELOPED TOWARDS THE CONVERSATION OF GREEN ENERGY BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE HERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND IF WE DON'T CONTROL IT, IF WE DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO IT, IT'S GONNA DEVASTATE A LOT OF THINGS, IN MY OPINION.
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WELL WORTH THE TIME TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT WE COULD REFER TO AS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY GALLONS OF FOAM DOES IT TAKE TO PUT OUT A FIRE AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY FIX THE FIRE, HOW BIG OF THE BATTERIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.WE DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE BASE TO MAKE, MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.
AND, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MURIN ALONG THE SAME LINE.
I GUESS I'M GETTING TO THE POINT THAT I JUST DON'T THINK EVERY PIECE OF SECTION LAND IN NAVAJO COUNTY NEEDS TO BE TURNED INTO A WIND FARM OR A SOLAR FARM.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOO LATE IN THE GAME TO DO THAT OR IT'S THE APPROPRIATE TOOL, BUT I HAVE KIND OF LOOKED FORWARD TO CONVERSATIONS ON THAT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PEOPLE SAYING, HOW DO WE INCORPORATE SOME OF THESE CONTROLS INTO OUR, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PUT A CAP ON THIS OR WE'RE GONNA PUT SOME, NOT BECAUSE IT'S A BAD PROJECT, JUST BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OPEN RANGE LAND AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OPEN LAND LIKE THAT.
AND I, AND I, I JUST, I JUST THINK EVERYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH, HOW DO YOU TELL SOMEBODY NO WHEN YOU APPROVE APPROVED THE LAST NINE? YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE A GUIDELINE TO SAY AND ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
I, I THINK AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THE EXPERTS ARE TELLING US.
THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PEOPLE FOR THE COUNTY, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT STUDY THIS STUFF AND UNDERSTAND HOW ALL THIS STUFF WORKS.
AND IF IT'S OKAY WITH THEM, THEN I, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US.
THE PROBLEM BECOMES, THEY'RE GONNA SHARE THEIR OPINIONS WITH US, JUST LIKE WE'LL SHARE OUR OPINIONS WITH THEM.
THE EXPERTS ARE EXPERTS IN SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE BEEN GROOMED FOR AND SOMETHING THEY'VE BEEN TAUGHT TO SAY, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE OUR BEST INTEREST IN THE COUNTY IN THEIR MINDS.
AND, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID, BUT IT'S KIND OF POLITICAL.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN GET THE BEST PEOPLE TO COME AND TALK TO US, THAT'S ONE THING WE CAN ACTUALLY LEARN.
THAT IF YOU GET TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE OPPOSING OPINIONS, YOU'RE SPIT IN THE WIND KIND OF.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND, AND I'M TRYING TO LEAVE THE POLITICS OUT OF IT.
I MEAN, THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL PEOPLE, THEY DO THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME.
THE NAVAJO COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PEOPLE, THEY DO THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME.
IF THEY'RE SAYING THAT, HEY, THIS PROJECT IS OKAY, BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT WE KNOW, WE'RE THE EXPERTS IN THIS SUBJECT, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD LISTEN TO 'EM.
AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
AS LONG AS YOU CAN GET THE ACTUAL EXPERTS WITH FACTUAL OPINIONS, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE EXPERTS IS FOR YEARS THEY TOLD US AGENT ORANGE WAS NOT HARMFUL.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE LISTENED TO THE EXPERTS AND NOW THEY, PEOPLE ARE DYING FROM IT 50 YEARS LATER.
SO WE ALL WANT TO, THEY OUT, OUT FOR OUR BEST INTEREST, I BELIEVE.
WELL, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT CERTAIN EXPERTS, BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT OUT OF VIETNAM WITHOUT THINK ROUGHING OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE YOU SEE WHAT THE AMERICANS ARE GOING THROUGH FROM AGENT ORANGE, YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THE VIETNAM VIETNAMESE ARE GOING THROUGH THAT ARE STILL WORKING, FARMING, AND PLAYING ON AGENT ORANGE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO AWAY.
THAT'S JUST ALL KIND OF A, JUST A CLARIFICATION FOR ME ON THE, WHAT ARE THE QUALIFICATIONS ON THAT, ON THAT LAST ISSUE WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY SAID THEY HAD TURNED IN THEIR, THEIR, THEIR APPLICATION AHEAD OF TIME.
WHAT, UH, I MEAN, YOU GO THROUGH THERE IF, IF THERE'S DISCREPANCY OR OMISSIONS OR SOMETHING, IS THAT, HOW DOES THAT, HOW DID THAT COME AROUND TO WHERE NOW IT'S NOT GOOD, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD SUBMITTED IT PRIOR TO? OKAY.
UM, CAN I TOUCH ON THE ELECTRICAL REAL QUICK? YES.
AND THEN I CAN GO TO THAT ONE AS WELL.
AS FAR AS THE, THE RENEWABLES, UM, SO THERE ARE GOALS AND POLICIES THAT ARE GONNA BE WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REGARDING RENEWABLES.
WE WOULD ENCOURAGE INPUT FROM YOU AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC AS FAR AS THOSE GO.
UM, THOSE GOALS AND POLICIES WILL ULTIMATELY AFFECT ANY ORDINANCES THAT COULD BE UPDATED IN THE FUTURE REGARDING STANDARDS.
SO PLEASE BE INVOLVED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS A PORTION, UM, IT IS A PORTION OF ENERGY, WHICH IS A PORTION OF A, A CHAPTER, BUT IT IS AN IMPORTANT ONE.
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK, SO WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE.
UM, REGARDING THE COMPLETE INCOMPLETE, I CAN'T DISCUSS ANY ITEMS THAT WERE SPECIFICALLY ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
I CAN TELL YOU THE CRITERIA IN, IN GENERAL FOR WHETHER SOMETHING'S CONSIDERED COMPLETE OR INCOMPLETE.
SO WE DO HAVE A FULL CHECKLIST, UM, FOR ALL OF OUR ITEMS REGARDING WHAT NEEDS TO BE WITHIN THAT ITEM, UM, FOR A, FOR A PROPOSAL.
UM, WITHIN THAT, IT ALSO HAS TO BE REVIEWED BY ANY OF THE COUNTY OR OTHER AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S COMPLETE AND
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ADEQUATE.UM, SO IF YOU'RE MISSING ITEMS FROM THERE, OR ITEMS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED HASTILY AND ARE MISSING INFORMATION, KEY INFORMATION WOULD, WHICH MEANS IT'S, IT'S NOT A COMPLETE REPORT, THOSE WOULD BE CONSIDERED INCOMPLETE.
UM, WE ALSO REQUIRE ON LIKE PLATS, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, THAT THEY, THEY NEED TO BE SEALED BY AN ENGINEER WHEN WE RECEIVE THEM.
SO IF YOU, UH, IF YOU RECEIVE AN UNSEALED PLAT WHILE THAT'S PRELIMINARY FOR REVIEW, THERE'S NO WAY TO ACCEPT THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT, UM, WHICH HAS HAPPENED OCCASIONALLY.
SO JUST IN GENERAL, THERE'S A CHECKLIST OF ITEMS THAT NEED TO HAVE THE ITEMS ON THE CHECKLIST SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE.
AND IN CERTAIN CASES, LIKE TENTATIVE PLATS, THEY ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO BE PREPARED BY A PROFESSIONAL AS WELL.
EVEN THOUGH THEY TURNED IT IN, IT'S NOT COMPLETE.
SO IT REVERTS TO A DATE WHEN THE, WHEN THE SUBMISSION IS COMPLETE, IT, IT REVERTS TO WHEN THAT CHECKLIST AND, AND ITEMS WOULD BE COMPLETE AS A, AS A GENERAL STATEMENT THERE.
UM, SO JUST SUBMITTING AN ITEM IS NOT A COMPLETE OR ACCEPTED APPLICATION.
IT NEEDS TO HAVE ALL COMPONENTS WITH SUBSTANTIAL, UH, EVIDENCE AND COMPLETION WITHIN THEM.
UM, AND THAT IS TO PREVENT ANYONE FROM PROVIDING A, AN INCOMPLETE ITEM, UM, AND, AND THEN TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS AFTER THAT.
CODY, YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TRAINING THAT WE RECEIVED PRIOR TO, UM, SHE PUT A SLIDE UP THAT HAD, I THINK IT WAS 18 PARTNERS THAT THEY'VE TALKED WITH LUKE AIR FORCE BASE AND SOME AZTEC LAND.
IS THAT THE AZTEC LAND AND CATTLE COMPANY THAT I'M PRETTY SURE DOESN'T HAVE A HEAD OF CATTLE ANYMORE? YEAH, BUT THEY HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF WIND FARMS AND YEAH, SO IT IS THE AZTEC, IT IS THE AZTEC LANDING CATTLE COMPANY.
SO FOR THOSE COMMUNITY INTERVIEWS, IT WAS BOTH PUBLIC AGENCIES AS WELL AS, UH, PRIVATE CITIZENS OR, OR PRIVATE GROUPS AS FAR AS DEVELOPERS, ENGINEERS, AND OTHERWISE.
UM, WHEN IT CAME TO THE STEERING COMMITTEE, THOSE WERE ONLY PEOPLE FROM AGENCIES, PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE, THAT ARE TRAINED IN THEIR DIFFERENT AREAS LIKE LUKE, AIR FORCE BASE OR OTHERWISE FOR THE, THE INPUT.
SO THERE WAS NO INPUT WITHIN THE COMMITTEE FROM ANY PRIVATE CITIZENS.
THOSE INTERVIEWS COMPLETED WERE, UH, WERE JUST THERE TO GAUGE HOW THEY FELT THE COUNTY WAS DOING AND WHAT, WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WERE NEEDED FROM BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE FIGURES AS WELL.
UH, CODY, CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? UM, SORRY.
IT'S KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE POWER, UH, THE POWER SITUATION THAT WE HAVE GOING ON.
I HAVE A COUPLE BUDDIES THAT WORK FOR, FOR THE POWER PLANTS AND FROM WHAT THEY HAVE TOLD ME IS THOSE POWER PLANTS ARE GOING TO BE SHUTTING DOWN IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
EXACT DATE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE LIGHTS ON IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND WHERE ALL THIS GREEN ENERGY IS COMING FROM.
I WOULD LIKE, UH, TO KNOW FROM NAVAJO COUNTY IS HOW MUCH DO WE ACTUALLY NEED? WHEN IS THE ACTUAL SHUTOFF DATE? IF THERE IS LIKE, SO, SO KIND OF SPEAKING TO WHAT COMMISSIONER MURPHY IS SAYING, THAT IF WE COULD HAVE SOME SPECIALISTS, UH, REGARDING OUR POWER SUPPLY AND WHAT WE MIGHT NEED COMING UP IN THE FUTURE.
'CAUSE THAT WAY WE AT LEAST KNOW, OKAY, HEY, WE ARE GOING TO MEET THE DEMAND THAT WE REQUIRE, OR WE'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, LACKING IN DEMAND IF THAT POWER PLANT WERE TO GO DOWN SOME OF THOSE TYPE OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR MORE SOLAR.
AND I HAVE A LOT OF BUDDIES OUT THERE, RANCH LAND, THERE'S STILL LOT TO RANCH LAND.
THERE, THERE'S JUST, I GET WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM WITH HAVING SPECIALISTS, BUT LIKE OUR BEST SPECIALISTS ARE LOCAL FIRE CHIEFS LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHO WE HAVE EMPLOYED OR HIRED.
AND IF WE HAVE THEM COME IN AND TALK TO US, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, THAT WAY WE KNOW, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THESE, THESE DEC DECISIONS.
WE CAN CERTAINLY INQUIRE WITH DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND OFFICIALS ON THAT AND, AND GET BACK TO THE COMMISSION HERE.
SO WE, WE CAN'T FORCE ANYONE TO COME TO THE TABLE, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS DO SOME OUTREACH.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR STAFF TONIGHT? I'VE
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GOT ONE MORE ITEM.I KNOW IT'S A LONG, LONG MEETING.
WE WANTED TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW PLANNER, CATHERINE WRIGHT HERE, UH, WITH THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIVISION.
I, I KNOW SHE'S NOT GONNA WANT ME TO INTRODUCE HER, BUT, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELCOME.
SHE, SHE, RIGHT, BUT, UH, JUST WANNA TO GIVE HER AN INTRODUCTION.
WELCOME TO STOP BY SAY HI TO HER.
BUT SHE'S A, A NEWER ADDITION.
WE'RE GONNA INTRODUCE HER LAST MONTH, BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE NOW.
SO SHE'S BEEN HERE FOR A LITTLE OVER A MONTH.
WELL, WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU ABOARD.
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A GOOD EVENING.THE MOTION TO ADJOURN? YEAH, I GUESS IT'S UP TO ME NOW.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THE LITTLE PEOPLE.