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CAN HEAR YOU.OKAY, COMMISSIONER HOUSE SOUNDS LIKE.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER FINALLY.
IT'S BEEN A MONTH IN WAITING, SO IT IS JULY 18TH, 2024.
IF YOU GUYS ALL COULD PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE THAT IS HERE TODAY.
WE APOLOGIZE IF THIS IS YOUR SECOND TRIP HERE, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY IT'S WORTH THE EXTRA TIME AND TRAVEL TO BE HERE.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH US.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, UH, I
[1. REVIEW OF AGENDA BY COMMISSIONERS: ]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE IS THE REVIEW OF THE AGENDA BY THE COMMISSIONERS.[3. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE COMMISSION HEARING OF: May 16, 2024.]
SO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I ASKED YOU HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE, UH, AGENDA FROM THE, I GUESS IT'S THE MONTH OF MAY.DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, OR ISSUES WITH THAT? IF NONE, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIR MOTION THAT WILL YOU APPROVE THE MAIN AGENDA? OKAY.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
WE HAVE A MOTION THAT IS APPROVED AND A SECOND, UH, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH A VOTE.
LOOKS LIKE EVERYONE APPROVED THE AGENDA OR THE YEAH, THE AGENDA, THE MINUTES.
THE SECOND WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE, UH, CALL TO THE PUBLIC FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
UH, THIS IS A TIME FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
YOU MAY TALK FOR ABOUT THREE MINUTES.
UH, WE WILL NOT RESPOND UNLESS THERE'S ANY, UH, CRITICISMS. UH, AND THESE ITEMS CAN BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR A FUTURE TIME.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE, UH, COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? OH, IS THIS FOR THE OTHER ONE? YEAH.
[4. MDP-A 24-001 STARLIGHT RIDGE ESTATES III, DISTRICT V: Consideration of a request by Steve Kohner for a Master Development Plan Amendment from an approved, approximately 80-unit, single family residential subdivision to be amended to allow for 49 single family lots, 74 townhome units, and changes to the roadways as well as open spaces in the Starlight Ridge Estates Special Development within the Wagon Wheel area. APN#: 212-05-007N, 212-05-007P, 212-05-007Q, 212-05-007R, 212-05-007S, T09N, R22E, S08 of the GSRM. Owner: TST Holdings. Agent: Steve Kohner.]
FOURTH ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE M DPA 2 4 0 0 1 STARLIGHT RIDGE ESTATES THREE DISTRICT FIVE, UM, CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST BY STEVE CO.UH, CONNER FOR A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT FROM THE, AN APPROVED APPROXIMATELY 80 UNIT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION TO BE AMENDED TO ALLOW FOR 49 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, UH, 74 TOWN HOME UNITS AND CHANGES TO THE ROADWAYS, AS WELL AS AN OPEN, AS WELL AS OPEN SPACES IN THE STARLIGHT RIDGE ESTATE.
SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN WAGON AREA, A PN NUMBER 2 1 2 0 5 0 0 7 NORTH.
UH, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION BY TYLER RICHARDS.
WHY IS THIS NOW? CAN YOU, UH, NO.
IT'S POSSIBLE THE BATTERIES ARE DEAD.
CAN YOU SEE IT ALREADY? JUST ONE CLICK.
IS IT WORKING? CAN YOU HEAR US? THANK YOU.
SO YEAH, WE HAVE OUR FIRST MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT OF THE YEAR, UH, FOR STARLIGHT RIDGE ESTATES UNIT NUMBER THREE.
UM, WE'LL JUST JUMP STRAIGHT INTO IT.
MOVE TO OUR VICINITY MAP SHOWS WHERE WE ARE HERE IN THE COUNTY.
SITTING JUST OVER A MILE AND A HALF FROM THE ARIZONA TWO 60 SITTING IN THE WAGON WHEEL AREA.
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TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 53 ACRES IN SIZE TOTAL, CURRENTLY OWNED BY TST HOLDINGS.UH, ORIGINALLY THIS WAS APPROVED FOR A MAXIMUM OF 80 SINGLE FAMILY HOME UNITS.
UH, IF THE BOARD APPROVES THIS AMENDMENT, ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE AMENDED TO 49 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS WITH 74 TOWN HOME UNITS.
IT WILL BE DEVELOPED OUT IN TWO PHASES WITH THE FIRST HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.
THAT IS GOING TO BE THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
AND THEN DOWN TO THE SOUTH IS WHERE THE TOWN HOME UNITS WILL BE LOCATED.
UH, THIS IS AN EARLY SITE PLAN SHOWING HOW THEY'D LIKE TO LAY OUT THE AMENDMENT.
UH, THERE ARE ACCESS POINTS TO THE NORTH.
THERE ARE TWO TO THE EAST ALONG WAGON WHEEL LANE THERE, AND THEN THERE IS A SOUTHERN ACCESS POINT DOWN THERE CONNECTING TO RIM ROAD.
FOR OUR SETBACKS, THEY ARE THE, UH, THE CLOSEST ONE WE CAN COMPARE THEM TO.
IT'S GONNA BE THE R TWO MULTIFAMILY ZONING, AND THAT'S GONNA CALL FOR 20 FEET IN THE FRONT, 15 IN THE REAR, AND FIVE FEET ON THE SIDES.
THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT IS ASKING FOR 10 FEET ON THE SIDES RATHER THAN THE FIVE.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE ONE IT'S CLOSEST TO.
AND THEN THE SETBACKS ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AS WELL AS THE TOWN HOME UNITS.
THIS IS THE EXISTING TENTATIVE PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, BACK IN 2006.
UM, JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE TO SHOW KIND OF WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE COMING TO OUR ANALYSIS PORTION, UM, IT DOES MEET, UH, MANY OF THE RELEVANT GOALS IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED AT THE MOMENT, 14 COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION, UH, MOST OF THEM CONCERNED WITH TRAFFIC.
UH, THERE WERE A FEW WITH DRAINAGE AND THEN A COUPLE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES.
I CAN'T TOUCH TOO HARD ON THE PROPERTY VALUE SIDE OF THINGS, BUT WE DO HAVE CONDITIONS IN OUR STAFF REPORT THAT DO ADDRESS THE ROADWAYS AS WELL AS THE DRAINAGE.
UH, I'M GONNA POINT OUT, UH, CONDITION NUMBER THREE AND THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN, FLOOD PLAIN STUDY, UH, SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM, DESIGN REPORT, WATER DISTRIBUTION, UH, UH, DESIGN REPORT.
UM, THOSE WILL ALL BE REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED, APPROVED.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY IMPROVEMENTS IDENTIFIED IN THOSE REPORTS, THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO BE CONSTRUCTED OR AT LEAST FINANCIALLY ASSURED BEFORE ANY STAGE OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION CAN BE CONDUCTED.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, SUBJECT TO THE 11 CONDITIONS LISTED ON OUR REPORT.
UH, WE DO HAVE THE ENGINEER HERE TONIGHT AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
NOW, THIS IS KIND OF THE WAY THIS PROCESS WORKS IS WE WILL FIRST OF ALL LISTEN TO ALL OF THE COMMENTS IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSAL AND THEN WE WILL LISTEN TO ALL THOSE, UH, AGAINST IT.
UH, WE WILL GIVE EACH SIDE A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO IF YOU KNOW EACH PERSON THAT WANTS TO SPEAK, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
WE PLEASE ASK YOU TO NOT REPEAT THE SAME THINGS.
WE'RE GONNA NOTE THOSE THINGS DOWN.
UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY FEEDBACK BACK AND FORTH.
AND THEN ONCE ALL THE COMMENTS ARE RECEIVED, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND TALK WITH STAFF, TALK WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS.
SO I HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT ARE TALKING.
ARE THESE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST OR DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION EITHER WAY.
UM, I'M GONNA READ THROUGH THESE.
IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR, GO AHEAD AND COME RIGHT ON UP.
AND IF NOT, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO, UH, THOSE THAT ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.
SO WE HAVE A BRIAN BRIMA, DAVID HAWKS, BILL BIGLER, UH, RAINER, SHE, ANYBODY IN FAVOR? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE BESIDES ANY OF THESE NAMES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? OKAY.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THOSE THAT ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.
UH, AND WE'LL JUST GO IN THAT ORDER.
OKAY, SO BRIAN BRIMHALL IS NOT HERE.
UH, IS DAVID, UH, HODS HERE? I'M ASSUMING THESE WERE FROM LAST TIME? YEAH, BILL BIGLER.
OH, THAT WAS HIGH PINES OF STATE AND THEN, UH, RAINER SHELL.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, THAT IS NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS? OKAY.
WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS, UH, UH, OPEN PORTION OF OUR MEETING FOR THIS ITEM.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? I DO.
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TYLER, IN REFERENCE TO TOWN HOMES, WE'RE TALKING, DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE CALLING A TOWN HOMES.UH, CAN YOU PULL UP THE SETBACKS? UH, THAT KIND OF ILLUSTRATES IT PRETTY WELL.
SO THEY'RE NOT LIKE A PATIO HOME.
THEY ACTUALLY SHARE A WALL, EACH UNIT SHARE WALL.
EACH WALL WILL HAVE A, IT'S 1, 2, 3, 4 AND THEN IT'S ONE BUILDING.
AND THERE'S FOUR UNITS PER BUILDING.
I BELIEVE IT'S FOUR UNITS A BUILDING.
UM, CAN SEE MAYBE IF WE CAN GET IT OUT.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WE DO HAVE OUR ENGINEER, UH, HEAD ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT HERE AS WELL.
AND FROM THE APPLICANT, JUST TO CLARIFY THERE, IT, IT COULD BE UP TO THE, THE FOUR UNITS.
I KNOW THEY'D USED THAT AS ILLUSTRATIVE.
UM, THEY'D LIKE TO KEEP IT OPEN TO IF THEY GO TO TWO OR THREE OR OTHERWISE, AT THAT STAGE THOUGH, UH, THEY WOULD BE COMING FOR A TENTATIVE PLAT APPROVAL WITH THE, THE COMMISSION.
THEY WOULD'VE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.
THEY JUST WANT TO GET THE TOTAL UNITS APPROVED OVERALL RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS WAS APPROVED IN 2006? YEP.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON? IS THERE ANY TIMEFRAME ASSOCIATED WITH THIS? UH, IS IT JUST KEEP CHANGING EVERY 15 YEARS? APPLICANT'S NOT EVEN HERE.
WHERE ARE WE AT? SO, UM, ACCORDING TO CONDITION 11 IN OUR STAFF REPORT, UM, THE APPROVAL OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN, UH, IS CONDITIONED UPON OUR REQUEST FOR A TENTATIVE PLAT OR A SITE PLAN REVIEW, UH, WITHIN TWO YEARS OF, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RESOLUTION FOR THIS AMENDMENT.
SO IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVES THIS, THEY'LL HAVE TWO YEARS TO BRING FORWARD A TENTATIVE PLAT.
OTHERWISE, THIS MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL NO LONGER BE IN EFFECT.
AND THEN THERE WERE QUITE A FEW NEGATIVE COMMENTS YOU SAID.
EVEN THOUGH, I MEAN, THERE REPEAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE LAST TIME THAT I FEEL BAD ABOUT.
COULD YOU READ THROUGH THOSE ONE MORE TIME AND WHAT THOSE NEGATIVE COMMENTS WERE? YEAH, AND I DON'T HAVE THE FULL LIST.
I JUST KIND OF CONDENSED 'EM DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT A LOT OF THE CONCERNS, LIKE I SAID, UH, THE BIGGEST ONES SEEMED TO BE THE ROADWAYS.
UM, THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THEY HAD, UH, NOT BEEN PROPERLY MAINTAINED.
UM, LEMME SEE, I LOST MY PAGE HERE.
UH, THERE WERE SOME DRAINAGE CONCERNS AS WELL.
THERE WERE PROPERTY VALUE CONCERNS.
UM, THERE WAS WORRIES ABOUT THEM BEING UTILIZED AS, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS, UM, PEOPLE COMING IN, NOT RESPECTING THE AREA, UM, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, WE CAN'T REALLY ADDRESS THE PROPERTY VALUE SIDE OF THINGS OR THE, UM, THE PEOPLE DISRESPECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S NUISANCES, CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN GET INVOLVED.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE CONDITIONS IN THERE FOR THE ROADWAYS, FOR THE DRAINAGE, FOR THE SEWER DESIGN SYSTEMS. UM, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT LIKE WATER PRESSURE, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE AREA.
UM, BUT WE HAVE TRIED TO MITIGATE THOSE AS BEST WE CAN THROUGH THESE CONDITIONS.
COULD WE GO TO THE MAP AGAIN? MM-HMM.
UH, WHERE WE COULD SEE THE ROADS, LIKE THE MAIN ROADS GETTING IN AND OUT OR, RIGHT.
WHAT'S LIKE A MAIN WELL WAGON WHEEL LINE THERE? MM-HMM.
SO ARE THOSE ARE CITY ROADS? RIGHT? I MEAN, ONCE, ONCE THE SUBDIVISION IS TURNED OVER, I MEAN, WHO'S, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING? I I READ ALL OF THOSE, THOSE LETTERS THAT ARE IN THE PACKET, AND A LOT OF 'EM WERE ROAD ISSUES, UH, WHERE THEY JUST NOT BUILT TO SPEC.
IS THAT, IS THAT, THAT'S THE GENERAL CONSENSUS FROM MM-HMM.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT OBVIOUSLY THOSE PEOPLE THINK.
SO WHO WOULD MAINTAIN THE ROADS, I GUESS? AND ARE THEY PAVED OR DIRT WAGON WHEEL IS PAVED.
UM, SO OVERALL, THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE ROADS, IF THOSE ARE BROUGHT UP TO THE COUNTY STANDARD, THEN THE COUNTY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE FOR ANY ROADS THAT WOULD NOT BE BROUGHT UP.
IT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPER.
UH, IF YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN, YOU HAVE RIM ROAD THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE THAT'S BEEN DEDICATED AS RIGHT OF WAY, I BELIEVE CORRECT.
UM, SO WHAT WE'VE REQUIRED IS THAT, THAT BE IMPROVED TO THE COUNTY STANDARD IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR MAINTENANCE.
AND WE ARE ALSO REQUIRING THE IMPROVEMENT THAT GOES FURTHER TO THE SOUTH AND THE EAST HERE TO ALLOW ANOTHER CONNECTION INTO THE SUBDIVISION SO AS TO PREVENT SOME OF THE OVERLOADING TRAFFIC THAT COMES IN ON THIS ROAD.
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BE CREATING MULTIPLE POINTS OF ACCESS THAT ARE IMPROVED AND GO THROUGH HERE.UM, ANY OF THOSE BROUGHT TO THE COUNTY STANDARD WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY US.
IF THEY HAVE LIKE SOME LITTLE FINGER ROADS THAT COME OFF THAT THEY DIDN'T BRING TO STANDARD, THEN THEY WOULD'VE TO HAVE PRIVATE MAINTENANCE FOR THOSE.
SO CODY TO STANDARD, I KNOW THAT THAT PART OF RIM ROAD, RIGHT AFTER YOU COME OFF A WAGON WHEEL, IF IT'S WET AT ALL, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FOUR WHEEL DRIVE, YOU AIN'T GOING THERE.
IT'S, IT'S BAD
OH, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE PAVED.
IT'LL, IT'LL BE TO THE PAVED STANDARD.
ABSOLUTELY NOT TO THE DIRT ROADS.
IT'LL HAVE TO BE TO THE PAVED STANDARDS.
SO IT'LL BE FULL IMPROVEMENTS ON THOSE ROADS.
UM, AT LEAST ALONG RIM AND ANYTHING WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE RIGHT OF WAYS, WE'RE REQUIRING THAT, THAT GO TO THE PAVE STANDARD SO THAT THERE IS PERMANENT ACCESS AND ALTERNATIVE ACCESS SO AS TO NOT CREATE, UM, AN AN INFLUX AND AN OVERFLOW OF TRAFFIC THERE ON THE, THE NORTHEASTERN SIDE, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THIS PROJECT.
WELL, SO ANOTHER, ANOTHER THING I READ WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING ON THE ROAD DOWN ON TWO 60 DOWN THERE AT THE END OF WAGON WHEEL LANE.
UM, EVEN RIGHT NOW THAT YOU'RE, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HAND.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WAIT, SERIOUSLY
SO I GUESS THE TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD ADDRESS, ADDRESS THAT.
AND THEN THEY, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW ANY, ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY COMES UP WITH.
'CAUSE I COULD SEE THAT BEING A PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE GOTTEN SOME OF THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF IMPROVEMENT IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY DICTATES TO WHAT LEVEL THE ROADS ARE CURRENTLY ABLE TO MAINTAIN FOR THE TRAFFIC AND THEN WITH THE EXPECTED.
AND THEN WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WOULD NEED TO BE MADE.
UM, ONCE YOU GET UP TO TWO 60 RIGHT THERE, UNFORTUNATELY THAT PART IS ADOT, SO IT'LL BE UP TO ADOT IF THEY EVER WANTED TO SEE A LIGHT OR OTHERWISE.
THAT ONE'S OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, BUT ANYTHING COUNTYWIDE OR COUNTY WISE WILL BE ADDRESSED BY US AND NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED FOR THIS.
SO IN THIS PROPOSAL, IT SAYS THAT THEY WILL UPDATE, PAVE, MAKE SURE THOSE ROADS ARE TAKEN CARE OF? YES.
THAT, THAT IS ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS OF THIS, YES.
AND, AND I MEAN, JUST KIND OF LIKE I SAID, WE JUST WANT TO TOUCH OUR BASIS WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONCERNS, THE WATER, THOSE THINGS.
I MEAN, I'M SURE THAT ENGINEERS ARE HERE FOR A REASON, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL ADDRESSED IN THERE AS WELL.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO REFERENCE THE STARLIGHT RIDGE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT.
I MAKE THE MOTION THAT THE NAVAJO COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT TO THE NAVILLE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT MOTION? CONCERNS OR ISSUES? OKAY.
UM, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH A VOTE.
WAS THERE, UH, ONLINE, UH, COMMISSIONER JOHN AND COMMISSIONER HOWELL, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR VOTES? AYE.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS COMMISSIONER HOWELL.
COMMISSIONER JOHN? YES, CORRECT.
COMMISSIONER JOHN, ARE YOU THERE? DO WE HAVE, UH, CAN YOU HEAR US? YOU MIGHT BE ON MUTE.
I SEE HE, I SEE HE UNMUTED, SO YEAH, HE'S UNMUTED.
IT'S JUST VERY HARD TO HEAR HIM.
COMMISSIONER JOHN, UH, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, UH, ON, OKAY, GLAD YOU'RE STILL AROUND,
OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
[5. TP 24-001 HIGH PINES ESTATES TENTATIVE PLAT, DISTRICT III/IV: Consideration of a request for a Tentative Plat to allow for a 100-lot single-family residential subdivision named High Pines Estates. The site is zoned Special Development (SD) on two parcels, which total 93.60-acres. APN# 208-03-002A & 002B, T11N, R18E, S03 & 09 of the GSRM. Owner: High Pines Estates LLC. Agent: Travis Barney.]
TP 2 4 0 0 1.HIGH PINES ESTATE, TENTATIVE PLAT DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT FOUR.
THIS IS A CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST FOR A TENTATIVE PLAT TO ALLOW FOR A HUNDRED LOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION NAMED HIGH PINE, UH, HIGH PINES ESTATES.
THE SITE IS ZONED SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT ON TWO PARCELS.
UH, CODY COOPER IS OUR STAFF MEMBER WHO IS GOING TO BE GIVING THIS PRESENTATION.
UH, SO GIMME JUST ONE MOMENT TO GET THIS FULL SCREEN FOR EVERYONE HERE AND THEN I'LL, I'LL KICK THIS OFF
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SO IT DOESN'T MATTER AS LONG AS I POINT TO YOU WHEN WE NEED TO MOVE, WE GOT THIS.ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN HIT THE NEXT, YOU CAN HIT THE NEXT ONE HERE.
SO THIS REQUEST HERE IS FOR, UH, A HUNDRED LOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION NAMES HIGH PINES OF STATES.
IT'S LOCATED IN THE A PINE AREA.
UH, THERE'S TWO PARCELS, APPROXIMATELY 93.6 ACRES TOTAL IN SIZE.
THIS IS CURRENTLY ZONE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, JUST FOR THE COMMISSION'S INFORMATION, THERE HAVE BEEN TENTATIVE PLATS AND PREVIOUS ITEMS HEARD ON THIS CASE.
ALL OF THOSE HAVE FULLY EXPIRED.
UM, SO EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF YOU IS TO BE CONSIDERED A NEW TONIGHT.
EVEN IF YOU SEE ANY SIMILARITIES OR, OR ANYTHING THAT LOOKS SIMILAR TO THE PAST, EVERYTHING IS BEING HEARD NEW TONIGHT, SO THERE'S NO EXTENSION OF THE PREVIOUS.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT STILL REMAINS THAT CAN OBVIOUSLY BE CONSIDERED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UH, SO I'VE RUN THROUGH THE MOST OF THE RUNDOWN ON THIS WITH THOSE A HUNDRED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS THEY HAVE DESIGNED WITH THIS, UH, WITH THEIR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE OPTIONS FOR 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR BEDROOM HOMES WITH OPTIONS FOR GARAGES.
UH, THE PRIMARY ACCESS FOR THIS, AND I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE MAP REAL SOON HERE, IS OFF OF STATE ROUTE TWO 60.
SECONDARY ACCESS WOULD BE TO THE NORTH AND WOULD CONNECT THROUGH A PROPERTY WHERE THERE'S AN EASEMENT.
AND THEN TO, TO FOREST SERVICE ROAD 3 32.
THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 6.5 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, UH, THAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAT RIGHT NOW.
AND THE LOT SIZES HERE RANGE FROM ABOUT A HALF ACRE TO 3.44 ACRES IN SIZE.
UM, YOUR AVERAGE SIZE IS ABOUT 0.77, SO JUST UNDER AN ACRE.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU KIND OF KEEPING TRACK ON THIS, WE DID GO DO AN UPDATE THIS THESE PAST FEW MONTHS, UM, WHERE WE SAID IN SUBDIVISIONS WHERE LOTS UNDER AN ACRE WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE SEWER, THIS APPLICATION WAS RECEIVED PRIOR TO THAT TAKING EFFECT.
SO THOSE PROVISIONS DON'T OVERSEE THIS SUBDIVISION DUE TO WHEN IT WAS SUBMITTED.
SO JUST IN CASE THAT QUESTION WERE TO COME UP, UM, THIS, AS FAR AS THE DESIGN, IT HAS 20 FOOT REAR AND, UH, FRONT SETBACKS AND 10 FOOT SIDE SETBACKS.
THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD FOR OUR ZONING OVERALL.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THAT THEY'LL BRING IN A NEW WATER SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD HAVE A WELL CONSTRUCTED AND THEN WATER STORAGE TANKS FILLED.
AND THEN THE ACTUAL WATER, THE SYSTEM THAT WOULD SERVICE THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, THEY WOULD BE PUTTING IN PAVED ROADS, MEETING THE MINIMUM COUNTY STANDARDS, WHICH WOULD THEN ENTER INTO OUR MAINTENANCE SYSTEM, UH, FOR THOSE INTERNAL ROADS.
AND THEN THEY HAVE PROPOSED INDIVIDUAL SEPTIC SYSTEMS ON THIS.
THEY'VE ALREADY DONE QUITE A BIT OF THEIR PRELIMINARY, UH, PERC TESTS AND BEEN WORKING WITH A DEQ AND HAVE GIVEN US A FEW OF THOSE RESULTS.
FURTHER THE REVIEW, HERE'S OUR VICINITY MAP, FINALLY.
UH, SO YOU'RE ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF MILES EAST OF OVERGUARD.
WE'VE GOT THOSE OUTLINED IN BLUE.
THEY'RE AT THE VERY SOUTHERN PORTION OF AINE, REALLY RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY.
IN FACT, ONE OF THE PROPERTIES KINDA HAS A PORTION THAT CROSSES IT.
THIS GIVES YOU AN AERIAL VIEW JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER UP.
UM, SO OFF TO THE SIDE THERE ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE DAY WASH AS WELL AS FOREST SERVICE ROAD 3 32.
AND HERE'S THE PROPERTIES THEMSELVES.
ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY LAYOUT OF WHAT WE'VE GOT.
UH, THIS IS RIGHT OFF OF TWO 60.
THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE FIRST LITTLE CLUSTER OF LOTS.
UM, WITH YOUR, YOUR LITTLE LOOP CIRCLE THERE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT TRACKS INDICATED ON HERE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE ONE RUNNING EAST AND ONE RUNNING WEST, WHICH ARE FOR CONNECTIVITY TO THE, THE FOREST SERVICE.
UH, BUT THERE IS A ONE FOOT NON VEHICULAR ACCESS EASEMENT THAT SURROUNDS THIS SUBDIVISION, WHICH MEANS THAT, UH, VEHICLES AT LEAST LEGALLY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GO CROSS OUT THAT WAY.
THAT WOULD BE MORE FOR FOOT TRAFFIC FOR PEOPLE.
AND THIS IS YOUR NEXT SECTION, KIND OF GOING FURTHER NORTH.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL HIT THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.
AND THIS IS THE FINAL LITTLE SECTION ALL THE WAY UP TO THE NORTH COMING OUT OF THAT NORTH.
YOU CAN SEE THAT SECONDARY EMERGENCY ACCESS THAT THAT WORKS ITS WAY UP TO LOOP BACK AND CONNECT INTO FOREST SERVICE ROUTE 3 32.
THERE'S FULLY DETAILED DRAWINGS OF THIS.
WE JUST DIDN'T WANNA RUN YOU THROUGH 20 PHOTOS HERE ON THE SLIDE FOR THIS.
UM, SO WE HAVE, WE'VE REVIEWED THIS.
UH, THIS IS COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WAS IN EFFECT AT THE TIME, OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT WAS IN EFFECT AT THE TIME OF THIS SUBMISSION.
UM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO 24 CONDITIONS.
I DID NOT LIST THEM LIKE TYLER 'CAUSE MINE ARE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
UM, SINCE WE'RE ACTUALLY AT THE PLAT STAGE HERE, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AS IS THE ENGINEER AND, UH, THE OWNER AS WELL.
OKAY, WE'LL OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, AGAIN, I WON'T REPEAT MYSELF TOTALLY.
WE'LL HEAR, UH, COMMENTS THAT ARE, FIRST OF ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS.
THEN WE WILL GO NEGATIVE AND, UH, AFTER THAT WE'LL CLOSE IT TO THE PUBLIC AND TAKE QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS AND
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STAFF.ANYONE HERE THAT, UH, IS IN FAVOR OF THIS THAT WOULD LIKE TO STAND UP AND SPEAK ABOUT IT? PRETTY SURE THERE WAS ONE PERSON, CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF IT? YES.
PLEASE STATE YOUR, UH, NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS DOUG BRIMHALL AND MY ADDRESS IS 1 54 SOUTH FRONTIER PARKWAY IN SNOWFLAKE, ARIZONA.
AND I'M HERE TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
I'VE WORKED ON THIS PROJECT FOR SEVERAL YEARS AS AN ENGINEER.
AND, UM, JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE.
UM, THE MAJOR HURDLE THAT WE'VE OVERCOME IS WE DID A TRANSPORTATION STUDY AND WE'VE GOT AN, UH, ADOT APPROVED RIGHT OF WAY, UH, OR ADOT TURN LANE DRAWINGS APPROVED THROUGH ADOT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN ADOT ENCROACHMENT PERMIT NOW, WHICH IS, UH, TOOK OVER A YEAR TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE A DEQ APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A WATER SYSTEM, WHICH WILL INCLUDE A, WELL, A BOOSTER PUMP AND A TANK.
AND WE WILL HAVE FIRE PROTECTION THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION.
SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, UNFORTUNATE THAT THE TIME HAS ELAPSED ON THIS PROJECT.
IT'S, IT'S GONE ON FOR SO LONG.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE WORKED THROUGH IS WE'VE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH THE NEIGHBOR, THE BIGLER FAMILY, TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, SECONDARY ACCESS THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
SO WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THING MOVING FORWARD.
WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THESE, UH, THESE LAST THREE MAJOR HURDLES.
AND SO AT THIS TIME WE ARE LOOKING TO GET TENTATIVE PLAT APPROVAL ONCE AGAIN.
SO WE CAN QUICKLY MOVE FORWARD TO THE FINAL PLAT AND IMPROVEMENT DRAWING APPROVALS TO, UM, TO START CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROJECT AS SOON AS WE CAN.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD, UH, LIKE TO STAND UP AND SPEAK AGAINST THIS, UH, ITEM? OKAY.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS PORTION, THE PUBLIC PORTION OF OUR MEETING.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS? UM, NO, I DO.
DOES GENTLEMAN MENTIONED FIRE MITIGATION WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? IF YOU COULD ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE FURTHER, PLEASE.
SO WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE HEBER FIRE, UH, DEPARTMENT.
AND ONE OF THEIR CONDITIONS WAS, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE PROTECTION TO THE SUBDIVISION, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD ADEQUATE FIRE PROTECTION.
SO WE HAVE A, WELL, A SOURCE OF WATER.
WE HAVE A TANK THAT'LL BE 200,000 GALLONS.
SO PUT THE, WELL PUT THE WATER IN THE TANK FROM THE TANK.
THE WATER GOES INTO THE BOOSTER SYSTEM.
THE BOOSTER SYSTEM, UH, PUTS INTO THE PRESSURE OF THE ENTIRE WATER SYSTEM THROUGHOUT THE SUBDIVISION.
AND SO WITH ALL THE FIRE HYDRANTS IN THE SUBDIVISION, WE'LL HAVE ADEQUATE FIRE PROTECTION.
AND HOW IS THAT MAINTAINED? DOES THE, DOES THE SUBDIVISION ITSELF MAINTAIN THAT OR DOES THE DISTRICT SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO COMMUNITY.
SO WHAT WE ARE GONNA DO IS FORM A WATER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT TO, UH, ACCOMPLISH, UH, CONTINUING MA CONTINUED MAINTENANCE.
AND IT'LL BE SERVICED BY THE, THE, THE FIRE DISTRICT THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY IN PLACE? NO, IT'LL BE FI IT'LL BE, UM, WHEN PEOPLE PAY THEIR TAXES, THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT, NAVAJO COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL.
THEY'RE ALSO GONNA BE IN, IN WHAT'S CALLED, UM, UH, HIGH PINES ESTATES WATER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
SO THEY'LL ACTUALLY HAVE A TAX THAT THEY PAY EVERY YEAR, LIKE OTHER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS TO, UH, CONTINUE MAINTENANCE.
AND THEN THEY'LL ALSO HAVE A MONTHLY SERVICE CHARGE AS WELL.
BUT IF, IF A HOME CATCHES ON FIRE WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, THE DISTRICT WILL RESPOND TO IT.
AND WELL, THE HEBER FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL COME TO THE SITE AND HOOK UP TO ONE OF THE FIRE HYDRANTS AND, AND TRY AND PUT OUT THE FIRE.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING I I, I, GO AHEAD.
'CAUSE I MIGHT AN GET SOME OF THESE ANSWERED FOR YOU.
UM, I, I HAVE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS
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WITH THE PROJECT, AND I THINK THIS IS LIKE THE SIXTH TIME YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN BEFORE.SO I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THIS BEFORE, UM, DOUG, BUT I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE WE CAN PUT SOME OF THIS TO REST.
UM, I'M, I'M OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY THAT'S CHANGED, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE TENTATIVE PLAN.
I KNOW THAT STAFF HAS SAID IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND USE PROJECT AND THE, AND THE, UM, THE CON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT SIMILARITIES WITH SURROUNDING SUBDIVISIONS AND SURROUNDING AREAS GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE AINE AREA AND ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENTS TO THE NORTH OF THAT, THERE IS NOTHING IN THERE ANYWHERE THAT SHOWS ANY LOTS LESS THAN AN ACRE.
AND WITH THE INCREASE, UM, INCREASED DENSITY THAT YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE, UH, HAVE WORKED FOR AND PLOTTED FOR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 30 SOME LOTS OR 30 LOTS THAT ARE A HALF ACRE BETWEEN A HALF ACRE AND 0.6 ACRES.
BUT MY CONCERN IS THE DENSITY ON THAT AMOUNT OF LIMITED DEVELOPABLE, UM, DEVELOPABLE ACREAGE WHERE THOSE PROPERTIES ARE EXISTING.
AND SO PART OF THAT CONCERN ABOUT THE DENSITY IS, AS WE'VE ADDRESSED WITH THE FIRE CONCERNS AND EVACUATION SITUATIONS, UM, YOU GET A FIRE FORCE FIRE SOMETHING WITH THAT, NOT WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION THAT'S COMING FROM THE, FROM THE SOUTH OR THE SOUTHWEST.
AND THAT'S GONNA PUT THOSE HUNDRED HOMES, WHICH MAY HAVE FOUR OR 500 PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THERE, COMBINED WITH THE PEOPLE EVACUATING FROM A PINE ALL WORKING DOWN THAT 3 32 ROAD TO THE NORTH WITH FIRE EQUIPMENT COMING IN AND FIRE PERSONNEL COMING IN.
AND, YOU KNOW, I I DIDN'T HAVE NEAR AS MANY OBJECTIONS TO IT WHEN THERE WEREN'T AS MANY LOTS.
I HAVE A LOT MORE CONCERNS THAT DENSITY NOW, THAT LENS ITSELF ALONG THE SAME LINE OF AIR, UH, UM, GAME AND FISH, ARIZONA GAME.
AND FISH, AS YOU KNOW, FROM THE, FROM ONSET WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF THE SUBDIVISION.
THEY HAVE, UH, INDICATED IN LETTER FORM AND VERBALLY THAT THIS IS A MAJOR WILDLIFE CORRIDOR FOR A VAST NUMBER OF SPECIES.
I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED WHEN I READ IN YOUR TENTATIVE PLAT THAT THIS WAS, IT DIDN'T APPEAR THERE WAS ANY WILDLIFE USING THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF WILDLIFE THAT USES THAT AREA.
I'M, I'M INTO, I I GO BACK UP THAT INE AREA PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR TIMES A MONTH, AND BETTER THAN HALF THE TIME I SEE DEER ALONG THE 3 32, THE ELK ARE IN THERE.
LAST SPRING I SAW OVER 30 HAD A, AN ANALOG DOWN IN THAT, THAT LITTLE VALLEY.
NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH TRANSITIONAL.
THEY'RE IN THERE IN THE SPRING WHEN THEY'RE IN BIG GROUPS, BUT YOU DON'T SEE 'EM ALL YEAR LONG.
BUT THE WHOLE CONCERN IS, AS THIS IS ADDRESSED ALSO IN THE, UM, IN THE LAND USE ELEMENT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GOAL FIVE IS TO TRY TO PROTECT WILDLIFE HABITAT.
AND WHEN GAME AND FISH HAD ASKED FOR SOME CHANGES TO BE MADE IN MORE WILDLIFE AREAS OR GREEN AREAS TO BE PUT IN THERE, YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THAT, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT WAS REPRESENTED.
YOU JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE YOU NEEDED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO YOUR, YOUR PLANS.
NOW, AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS FENCING GONNA BE AROUND THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR FENCING.
WELL, THE GOOD THING IS THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY FENCING ANYMORE.
AND SO THAT'S NOT A, A DETRIMENT TO THE WILDLIFE.
BUT I GUESS WITH, THERE'S NO FENCING, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO TO MITIGATE THE ISSUES OF THE CATTLE COMING IN ON THE PROPERTY, ON THE PRIVATE LAND.
'CAUSE THE, THE CATTLE AREN'T GONNA RESPECT THE ONE FOOT EASEMENT.
THEY'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED OR YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT.
IT'S NOT ALL THE TIME, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN WITH A, YOU KNOW, WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FREQUENCY.
UM, SO THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE FOR THAT.
UH, GAMING FISH WAS CONCERNED ENOUGH ABOUT THIS WILDLIFE QUARTER.
THEY HAVE ACTUALLY ADVOCATED THAT IF THEY WIDEN TWO 60, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE AN, UH, UNDERGROUND CORRIDOR COMING IN UNDERNEATH HIGHWAY TWO 60 TO ALLOW FOR THAT MIGRATION AND THAT PASSAGE UNDERNEATH TWO 60, WHICH LEADS RIGHT INTO THE SUBDIVISION.
NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULDN'T DO THE SUBDIVISION, BUT AGAIN, IT GETS BACK TO A DENSITY ISSUE AND IT, AND IT HAVING SOME SORT OF WILDLIFE FRIENDLY, UM, UM, DEVELOPMENT TIED INTO THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT ALL ALONG HAS BEEN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE FOREST EXPERIENCE FOR PEOPLE, THEM WANTING TO LIVE OUT IN THE WOODS AND FEEL CLOSE TO NATURE.
AND, WELL, THE WILDLIFE IS A REALLY BIG PART OF THAT.
SO I GUESS I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THAT HASN'T BEEN MORE IMPORTANT TO THE STRUCTURING OF YOUR, OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO INCLUDE THAT IN AS A, AS AN AMENITY OR AS A, A POSITIVE ASPECT TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, TO ATTRACT, UH, POTENTIAL BUYERS TO IT.
YOU KNOW, NOTHING, NOTHING OTHER THAN A SUGGESTION AND OBSERVATION, BUT IT, IT, IT, IT BOTHERS ME THAT IN YOUR GUYS, YOUR GUYS' TENTATIVE NARRATIVE IT AS WELL, IT DOESN'T APPEAR WITH THE WILDLIFE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE OF THE HIGHWAY.
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THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE.WELL, I, I CAN, UH, I CAN, I CAN LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS, IS WHERE THERE, WHERE DAY WASH IS LOCATED, UM, WE TRY TO KEEP DAY WASH COMPLETELY OUT OF ANY LOTS.
THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF OUR OPEN SPACE CAME, WAS FROM, FROM DAY WASH.
KNOWING THAT THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE WILDLIFE WILL BE MOVING BACK AND FORTH, UH, THROUGH THERE.
AND IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE EVER END UP HAVING ISSUES WITH CATTLE, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP THE CATTLE OUT OF OUR SUBDIVISION BECAUSE IT IS, IT'S, IT'S IN THE COUNTY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE.
BUT IF IT BECOMES, UH, AN ISSUE, WE DEFINITELY WILL DO THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS AS, UH, FOREST FIRES ARE CONCERNED, IT'S NOT AS DENSE AS IT USED TO BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY THERE, UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT, UH, AND EVEN ON OURS, WE'VE LOST A LOT OF TREES THROUGH THE FOREST FIRE AND OTHER THINGS.
BUT, BUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING WATER THERE THAT WOULD SERVICE THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION IS, IS GONNA BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO THESE RESIDENTS.
AND ACTUALLY HAVING A PAVED ROADWAY WILL HELP THE PEOPLE IN AIRPLANE GET TO THE HIGHWAY A LOT FASTER.
IF THEY CAN COME OUT THE HIGHWAY, CHANCES ARE IF THERE'S A FIRE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO NORTH.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COME BACK OUT ON TWO 60.
IT DEPENDS WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.
THEY CAN GET TO SHOW LOW, FASTER, PROBABLY NOT GONNA GO TO HEBER.
SO, BUT THE, EVEN YOUR RESPONSE TIME FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GONNA BE A VERY MINIMUM OF 10 MINUTES.
IF NOT MORE SO THAT, SO HAVING AS, AS THOSE, I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS, BUT, UM, AS YOU HAVE, UH, IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING NICE, YOU KNOW, HAVE PAVED ROADS, HAVE A, A REAL WATER SYSTEM, POWER ALL THESE AMENITIES FOR PEOPLE, IT'S REALLY NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE TO, TO, TO HAVE A SUBDIVISION THAT DOESN'T SWT THWART THE SUBDIVISION RULES BY DIFFERENT LOT SPLITS HERE AND THERE TO HAVE A REAL SYSTEM, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S PLANNED, SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, UH, VIABLE WHERE SOMEONE COULD COME IN AND DEVELOP AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE MARKET DRIVEN.
AND WE THINK WE CAN PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF IF SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE, THEY MIGHT NOT WANNA COME INTO THIS SUBDIVISION, BUT IF THEY, THEY LIKE HAVING PAVED ROADS, THEY LIKE HAVING WATER, UM, THEY LIKE HAVING THESE OTHER AMENITIES THEN AND NICE HOMES.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING.
WE CAN HAVE THE DRAW, UH, TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE AREA.
SO, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS, LIKE YOU SAID, AND, AND IT IS, IT IS DIFFERENT.
BUT TO MAKE THINGS FINANCIALLY VIABLE, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT GREATER DENSITY JUST AS THINGS HAVE JUST, I UNDERSTAND SKYROCKETED, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY THE HOUSING, BUT THE ASPHALT, THE PIPE MATERIALS AND LABOR.
EVERYTHING HAS JUST SKYROCKETED SINCE, UH, I FIRST CAME AND TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THIS.
SO PROBABLY EVERYTHING HAS PROBABLY DOUBLED SINCE WE FIRST TALKED STARTED.
SO, UM, ANY OTHER MAIN QUESTIONS? YEAH.
CONCERNS? ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER, UM, WELL, TWO MORE ISSUES.
I WANT TO COVER THIS ONE FOOT NON-ACCESS EASEMENT, UM, WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROMOTING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE THIS ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH FROM THE 3 32 ROAD OVER TO THE EAST SIDE AND, AND GET, GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S GONNA BE ACCESS TO FOREST SERVICE ON E BOTH THE EAST SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE.
UH, TRACK NUMBER E AND TRACK F.
AND, AND, AND YET THERE'S STILL A ONE FOOT ACCESS EASEMENT, ONE FOOT NON-ACCESS EASEMENT.
SO IS THAT SAFE TO ASSUME THEN THAT THOSE ROADS THAT ARE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE EAST AND WEST WILL NOT BE FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AT ALL? THAT'S ONLY GONNA BE FOR FOOT TRAFFIC? OR IS THAT, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAKING THAT? WELL, FOR OUR, FOR OUR, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF THE PONY EXPRESS.
UH, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT IN THERE, WAS OF A HISTORICAL VALUE.
UM, I MEAN, WE CAN ASK THE OWNER IF HE, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PLANS ABOUT HAVING THAT ACCESS? WE WERE GONNA PUT ACCESSS ONLY, WE'RE NOT GONNA JUST FOOT ACCESS ON PROBABLY HORSE HORSE ACCESS AS WELL, I'M SURE.
THE THE LAST THING I WANT TO BRING UP IS, HAS TO DO WITH ROADS.
UM, I SPENT SOME TIME AT THE FOREST SERVICE OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
MET WITH THE DIS, THE DEPUTY DISTRICT RANGER.
THEY HAVE NOTHING ON FILE THEY COULD FIND, NOBODY THEY COULD TALK TO THAT KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THE 3 32 ROAD BEING IMPLEMENTED IN THIS PROJECT, UM, IN ANY WAY AS
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A SECONDARY ACCESS ROAD.MY CONCERN IS THIS IS AN INTEGRAL PART.
DID DEVELOPMENT, DID YOU TO THE, UH, DIRECTOR? I TALKED TO THE DEPUTY DISTRICT RANGER.
SO THE, I I SAT DOWN PERSONALLY WITH THE DISTRICT RANGER, UH, AND ALSO MR. PAUL GERBER, ONE OF THE ENGINEERS, AND HE'S AWARE OF THE PROJECT AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY SENT PEOPLE OUT TO DO ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES.
THIS IS CONCERNING ME BECAUSE I, THEY EVEN WENT TO THE SUPERVISOR'S OFFICE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THIS AND, AND IT, AND THEY JUST CAME UP EMPTY.
THE GUY GOT BACK TO ME AND HE SAID, RUTH, THEY MAY HAVE TALKED TO SOMEBODY THAT'S RETIRED.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT SEEING, WE'RE NOT SEEING ANYTHING IN WRITING.
WE NEED TO, WELL, AS FAR AS I KNOW THIS, THE GENTLEMAN THAT I VISITED WITH, BOTH OF 'EM ARE NOT RETIRED.
AND I SEE HIM ON A REGULAR BASIS.
I DON'T TALK TO HIM ABOUT THIS PROJECT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
THE TWO, THE MAIN ENGINEER AND THE DISTRICT ENGINEER, OR EXCUSE ME, THE DISTRICT RANGER, UH, ARE BOTH LIVE CLOSE TO ME AND I KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
AND I, I VISITED, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE DISTRICT RANGER'S RETIRED AND, AND GONE.
RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE WHO, WHAT'S HIS NAME? RICHARD? WHEN DID HE RETIRE? OH, HE'S BEEN GONE QUITE A WHILE.
THEY HAVEN'T FILLED THAT POSITION YET.
WELL, MAYBE LIKE A MONTH OR SO.
IT'S BEEN MUCH LONGER THAN THAT.
AND, AND SO, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE BALL GOT DROPPED.
AND THAT'S WHAT I BROUGHT TO, UP TO THE DEPUTY DISTRICT RANCHER.
BUT HE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THE DISTRICT AS WELL AS IN SUPERVISOR OFFICE.
MY ISSUE HERE AGAIN, AND, AND, AND I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT THERE'S AT LEAST SOMETHING BEEN DONE ON THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, THEN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH TO GET THEM TO EVEN LET YOU IMPROVE OR CHANGE THAT ROAD AT ALL.
IMPROVE IT, CHANGE THE SURFACING, WIDEN IT, ANYTHING.
AND, AND THAT WAS THE CONCERN OF THE DEPUTY DISTRICT RANGER THAT I TALKED TO.
THEY SAID THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY INTENSIVE CROSS.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PERSON'S NAME? AND I'LL REACH OUT TO THEM AND JOEL, JOEL SA SA SA EM SAMAN IS A REAL STRANGE LAST NAME, BUT JUST CALL HIM JOEL
I CAN REACH OUT TO HIM AND SHOW HIM THE RECORD OF WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE PROVIDED TO THE, UH, TO PEOPLE IN THE PAST AND, AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD.
I CAN BRING HIM UP TO SPEED ON THAT.
THE, THE, UM, NEEDING TO GET THE PERMISSION TO UPGRADE IT IS ONE ISSUE.
THE SECOND ISSUE I HAVE IS ONCE THAT GETS UPGRADED, WHO'S, WHO'S GOING TO BE MAINTAINING IT? WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THAT ROAD? 'CAUSE THE FOREST SERVICE WILL NOT, THEY GRANTED IT AS AN EASEMENT FOR ACCESS AND THE COUNTY HAS INDICATED THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ON.
SO WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE OF THE 3 32 ROAD GONNA BE AS YOU SEE IT FITTING INTO THIS PROJECT? UM, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
H HOA, HOA, THE HOA HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED WITH MAINTAIN.
SO THERE IS GOING TO BE AN HOA, THERE IS AN HOA AND THERE WILL BE FEES AND THEY WILL BE IN CHARGE OF MAINTAINING NOT ONLY THE SECTION OF FOREST SUPER PATROL 3 32, BUT ALSO DOWN THROUGH THE BIGLER PIECE.
UM, THAT WILL ALL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.
GO AHEAD AND COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS, UH, ADDRESS IS 2 1 1 6 MARBLE ROAD IN CLAY SPRINGS.
UH, UH, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE HOA 'CAUSE.
ALONG THAT SAME LINE, A QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, UM, WITH THIS ONE FOOT NON-ACCESS EASEMENT, I MEAN, YOU'RE LIVING IN CLAY SPRINGS, YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY COME UP FOR THE VALLEY, THEY COME UP TO RECREATE HOW, HOW IS THAT GONNA BE MANAGED, MONITORED OR ENFORCED? PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE SUBDIVISION, NOT DRIVING THEIR FOUR WHEELERS OFF THE PROPERTY, ALL OVER FOREST LAND, NOT DUMPING THEIR TRASH OUT THERE, NOT STORING THEIR STORE, THEIR, THEIR TRAVEL TRAILER, YOU KNOW, JUST ENCROACHING ONTO FOREST LAND.
'CAUSE THE, FOR FOREST SERVICE ISN'T GONNA BE OUT THERE AND POLICE IT.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO DO IT.
SO WITH AN HOA IS, IS THAT GONNA BE A REGULATION? SOMETHING THE HOA IS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR? IF SOMEBODY RENTS THEIR PLACE OUT FOR A MONTH AND THE PEOPLE THAT STAY THERE ARE NOT ABIDING BY THAT NO ACCESS EASEMENT, AND THEY'RE RUNNING THEIR FOUR WHEELERS ALL OVER THE, THE, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ENFORCE LAND.
ONE OF THE, THE PERSON THAT BROUGHT THAT ONE FOOT EASEMENT UP WITH SANDY, WHO'S WORKED FOR THE COUNTY, WHICH NO LONGER IS HERE, SHE'S THE ONE THAT RE UM, SUGGESTED THAT.
AND WHEN SHE BROUGHT THAT UP, WE WERE FINE WITH IT.
SHE SUGGESTED THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, THE SHERIFF WOULD MAINTAIN THAT AS A, I FORGET THE WORD, UM, AS FAR AS COMPLIANT.
AND THEN THE FENCING, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
WE WERE NEVER GONNA FENCE THE PROPERTY.
AND SO THAT YOU WERE EVER GOING TO, OR YOU WERE NEVER GOING TO WE, I, WE ALWAYS HAD VISIONS OF FENCING THE PROPERTY OR ALLOWING THE HOMEOWNERS TO FENCE THEIR OWN LOTS IN.
BUT NOT, NOT FENCING IN, BECAUSE INITIALLY THE VERY FIRST TIME, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2007, AS YOU KNOW, AND THOSE INITIAL STAGES, ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WAS BEFORE US WAS THE ENTIRE
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PROPERTY WAS GONNA BE FENCED OFF FROM FOREST SERVICE LAND, THAT THE FOREST SERVICE WASN'T GONNA PAY FOR IT.AND THEN THAT EGG GAME AND FISH GOT INVOLVED AND STUFF.
WE WANT WILDLIFE FRIENDLY FENCING.
AND THEN THE FENCING SORT OF WENT AWAY.
AND I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S GOOD.
THEY DO WANT SECTIONS THAT ARE WILDLIFE FRIENDLY.
AND THEN REGARDING THE WILDLIFE, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY THREE SIDES BY FOREST SERVICE.
UM, I'M ON THAT PROPERTY A LOT AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE GAME THAT YOU'VE SEEN, BUT YOU'VE LIVED UP THERE LONGER THAN I, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I'M ON THERE A LOT OF NURSING ANTELOPE.
I DON'T, NOT THAT I DON'T SEE WILD GAME ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT WITH THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF ACRES SURROUNDING US, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE IMPEDING THAT MUCH ON ANY WILDLIFE OF GOING ANYWHERE THEY WANT TO GO.
SO, NO, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S A HUGE ASPECT OTHER THAN HAVING CONSIDERATION FOR THAT.
WHAT DISTURBED ME WAS THE FACT THAT, THAT WHEN GAME AND FISH MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS ABOUT SETTING SOME GREEN AREAS AWAY, UH, ASIDE OR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THIS WAS THIS, THIS WAS A, UH, AN ELEMENT OF CONCERN TO THEM.
AND THEN YOUR TENTATIVE PLAQUE COMES OUT AND SAYS, WELL, THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ANY WILDLIFE ISSUES.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF CLARIFY THAT.
I DON'T, I I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
AND ONE THING I DON'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE STATEMENTS.
WE DID HAVE A HEARING TWO YEARS AGO AT THE, UM, THE HEBREW FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I, SO I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN WRITING THAT'S AGAINST IT.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE IT.
YOU KNOW, THEY WERE JUST, I'M NOT, I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THEY TOLD US.
THE MEETING IN HEBER, DOUG WAS THERE, THE FIRE CHIEF WAS THERE.
YEAH, THEY GOT UP AND THEY HAD NO PROBLEM.
BUT HE, THEY DID, THEY DID SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CORRIDOR, BUT WITH SURROUNDING AREAS, IT SHOULDN'T IMPEDE ANYBODY, ANY OF THE ANIMALS FROM WANTING TO GO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.
WELL, THE DOCUMENT I SAW FROM SHOW, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT NIGHT LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, BEING RESTRICTIVE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DIMINISH SOME OF THE NIGHT LIGHTING AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, WILDLIFE FRIENDLY ZONES THROUGH THERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE FENCING FRIENDLY, YOU KNOW, WILDLIFE FRIENDLY CROSSINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND WITH THE, IF THE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH PEOPLE, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT SOMEBODY DOES ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL FENCE.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING 90 ACRES, IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE SIGNIFICANT ABOUT HOW THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT THAT AREA, UM, WITH, WITH THE WILDLIFE THAT'S TRYING TO TRAVEL THROUGH THERE.
SO, SO I CAN'T SAY THAT IT WON'T IMPEDE, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT IT WILL.
NO, I, IT'S IT, BUT IT'S A FACTOR THAT I I, YOU KNOW, I WAS HOPING WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A DYNAMIC IN, IN THE WAY YOU GUYS DEVELOP THAT.
WELL, MOST EXTERIOR LOTS ARE WELL OVER AN ACRE LOT ACRE, SORRY.
AND WITH THAT, IT, I THINK, WELL AS PREJUDICE WITH GAME FRIENDLY FENCING WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO GO IF THEY DECIDE TO GO THROUGH THERE FROM EAST TO WEST.
IT'D MAKE IT EASIER TO DO THAT GOING NORTH AND SOUTH.
I WOULD DEFINITELY SEE THEM USING GOING AROUND JUST THE WAY OUR, OUR LOT OR OUR, UH, PARCELS ARE.
SO, BUT LIKE I CAN'T, NONE OF US CAN SAY FOR SURE THEY WILL OR WILL NOT BE IMPEDED BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT.
WELL, UM, THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS I HAD.
AND I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I, I THINK I WOULD HAVE A REAL DIFFICULT TIME APPROVING THE TENTATIVE PLAT AS IT IS WITHOUT THERE BEING, BEING SOMETHING CONCRETE OTHER THAN YOU TELLING US YOU'VE MET WITH THEM FROM THE FOREST SERVICE SHOWING THAT THIS 3 32 ROAD IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE PHONE CALLS AND END THE EQUATION, GOT A FEW EMAILS THAT, UM, WE THOUGHT THIS HAD ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED.
AND SO ANYWAY, THIS IS NEW TO US.
THAT'S WHY I'VE HIT IT PRETTY HARD IN THE LAST, AND I, SO, AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
SO NOW WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF FINAL PLAT IS BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.
IT'S, IT'S WHAT'S GONNA HOLD YOUR, YOUR PROJECT TOGETHER.
AND SO I I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SOMETHING SUBSTANTIVE COME FROM THAT VEIN PRIOR TO MOVING THIS FORWARD TO CODY, THE 10 OF PLAT.
I, I JUST THINK THAT NEEDS TO COME FIRST FOR ME AS A COMMISSIONER.
THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION.
WELL, WE CAN ALSO, IT'LL BE, WE CAN PUT DOWN AS A COM A CONDITION.
MAYBE IT ALREADY IS ON THAT LIST.
UH, TRAVIS, ANY OTHERS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CODY.
DO I NEED MY PAPER WITH ME OR NO, JUST YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
ALL RIGHT, WHAT DO WE GOT? OKAY, SO WE JUST BARELY TALKED ABOUT SUBDIVISIONS.
NOT BEING ABLE TO BE DONE UNLESS THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF SEWER SYSTEM.
AND I WAS LIKE, THAT'S BOGUS BECAUSE IT'S GONNA MAKE IT TOO EXPENSIVE.
AND THEN OUR SEPTIC EXPERTISE LET US KNOW THAT
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IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR PROPERTIES LESS THAN ONE ACRE TO HAVE SEPTICS IN, IN A LOT OF CASES BECAUSE OF SIZE AND ISSUES AND DENSITY.CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY, WHY THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE? MM-HMM.
SO THIS ONE HAD COME IN EARLIER AND I PROBABLY SHOULD GET MY PAPER 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A CONDITION RELATED TO THE SEPTIC.
SO THAT MIGHT HELP A LITTLE BIT.
A QUICK NOTE ON THAT ALSO WHILE CODY'S DOWN.
SORRY, GIMME JUST ONE SECOND TO PULL UP THIS.
UH, I WISH I HAD MEMORIZED THE ORDER OF 'EM.
YOU SHOULD
UH, SO THERE CAN BE CONCERNS WITH THOSE SEPTIC SYSTEMS ONCE YOU GET TO THAT DENSITY BELOW AN ACRE.
UH, THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH AND DONE SOME OF THOSE PRELIMINARY PERC TESTS AND, AND PROVIDE US WITH RESULTS THAT PROVIDE LESS OF A, A CONCERN FOR US AS FAR AS GETTING THOSE SYSTEMS IN AT THIS STAGE.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH SUBDIVISIONS TO PREVENT THOSE CONCERNS JUST AS A BLANKET.
THIS ONE OF COURSE DID COME IN BEFORE THAT THAT PROVISION TOOK EFFECT BEFORE THE CLAUSE COULD TAKE EFFECT.
UM, WE DO HAVE A CONDITION IN HERE RELATED TO THE NITROGEN MANAGEMENT, HOWEVER, JUST BECAUSE THAT COMES IN WHERE YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE UNIT PER ACRE EFFECTIVELY FOR A FULL DENSITY.
UH, AND WE WOULD BE REQUIRING THE WHOLE SECOND PHASE OF WATTS TO HAVE NITROGEN MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS IN THERE.
UM, SO THAT THAT ISN'T EXTRA TO THE SEPTIC TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT COME IN WITH THE HIGHER DENSITY OF, OF HAVING THOSE SEPTICS.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME PROVISIONS, UM, BUT THIS IS EFFECTIVELY THE, THE LAST PROJECT THAT WOULD COME IN WITHOUT THOSE NEWER PROVISIONS FOR THE COMMISSION.
AND SO AS THE, THE LOTS INDICATED AS BEING WITHIN PHASE TWO OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THIS SHALL REQUIRE NITROGEN MANAGEMENT, ALL OF THEM WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE NITROGEN MANAGEMENT AND DISPOSAL SYSTEMS. UM, LIMITING OF HOME SIZES WILL NOT MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
SO IT COULDN'T BE LIMITING BEDROOMS OR OTHERWISE TO GET TO A LOWER NITROGEN LOAD.
UM, BUT YEAH, THIS IS BASICALLY BASED ON THE RESULTS WE HAVE IN THAT CONDITION.
THIS IS THE LAST ONE WHERE WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITHOUT, UH, A VARIANCE BEING REQUESTED OF THE COMMISSION ITSELF FOR HAVING LOTS THAT ARE UNDER AN ACRE.
UH, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THAT? NO, THIS TRAVIS, THE MIKE CODY ANSWERED THE QUESTION, WE'RE PUTTING IN NITROGEN SPECIFIC FILTERS AND THAT INTO THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS TO STAY WITHIN THE NITROGEN LOAD REQUIREMENTS BY A DEQ.
ANYWAY, COMMISSIONER, MAYOR, DO YOU FORESEE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS? BECAUSE AGAIN, LIKE THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON FOR THE RURAL AND HERE WE'RE PASSING ONE AND IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT, UH, LIKE WE SHOULDN'T BE.
IF, IF THERE'S A REASON WHY WE HAVE THAT RURAL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF SYSTEMS ARE, WHAT'S YOUR NITROGEN REDUCTION PLAN? IS IT ALTERNATIVE SYSTEMS? NO, THEY'RE SEPTIC SYSTEM WITH FILTERS IN THEM.
THEY HAVE FILTERS THAT, UH, I'M NOT A NINE A SEPTIC GUY, BUT WE'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT SEPTIC COMPANIES THAT HAVE THOSE TYPE OF SYSTEMS. THEY'RE USED A LOT IN THE EAST BECAUSE THE GROUNDWATER'S SO HIGH.
UM, BUT YEAH, THOSE SYSTEMS ARE OUT THERE AND WE'D USE THEM REGARDING A DU GUIDELINES TO KEEP OUR NITROGEN LEVELS IN CHECK WITH HOW MUCH WE'RE DEPO DEPOSITING.
AND ALSO WE DID 100, WE HAD EVERY LOT TESTED PER TESTED ALREADY.
GOOD, GOOD PARKS OR, YEAH, WE HAD ONE THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT LOW ON THE, LET'S SEE, SOUTHWEST SIDE.
THERE WAS ONE LOT THAT WAS IFFY, BUT IT'S STILL MET.
IT'S STILL MET EVERYBODY ELSE.
IT'S AN OLD WASH THROUGH THERE, MOST OF IT.
WELL YEAH, I CAN, I DRIVE THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME AND MOST OF THAT IT'S VERY ROCKY AND GET UP ON THE HILL, NOT SO GOOD, BUT RIGHT DOWN THERE IT'S PRETTY SANDY AND RIGHT.
I WOULD ASSUME IT HAD ALL BE, IT ALL PERKED ALL BE 0.4 SOILS.
AND THAT, THAT MAKES YOUR SYSTEMS HALF AS HALF, YOU KNOW, AND THEN SOME OF, SO THE SETBACKS WON'T BE AN ISSUE.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID LAST TIME IS YOU GO TO GET YOUR SETBACK ON THIS SIDE, YOU GO TO GET YOUR SETBACK ON THIS SIDE AND THERE'S NO ROOM TO PUT A BASE GOING THROUGH.
WHEN YOU GET, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN, IN UH, 0.2 SOILS OR, OR HIGH CLAY CONTENT SOILS, NOW YOUR SYSTEM'S GONNA BE TWICE AS LONG AND THEN YOU, YOU HAVE TROUBLE MEETING YOUR SETBACKS ON, ON SMALLER LOTS.
UH, GO TO WHITE MOUNTAIN LAKE, GO TO PARTS OF HEBREW, GO TO, THERE'S LOTS OF PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE THOSE OLD SUBDIVISIONS AND IT'S A CHALLENGE.
UH, THESE ARE THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE THAT TYPICALLY, IF, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE DECENT SOIL, THAT'S NOT, NOT AN ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT BUILDING EIGHT BEDROOM, EIGHT BEDROOM HOUSE AND SOME OF THE LOTS, WE WILL NOT ALLOW THE FOUR BEDROOMS TO BE BILLED ON FOR THAT REASON.
THERE THERE'S GONNA BE A SECTION MOST PERIMETER, IF THEY WANT FOUR, EIGHT, A FOUR BEDROOM HOME, THEY'LL NEED TO STICK THE PERIMETER
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OR A LITTLE BIT BIGGER LOT.AND THEN AFTER THAT THEY MOVE INTO THE INTERIOR AND GO TO A THREE OR LESS BEDROOM TO ACCOMMODATE THE SETBACKS, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SIZE, ALL THAT.
YEAH, SO WE'VE, WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH CODY, BILL, WHO'S NOT HERE ANYMORE, BROUGHT UP A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS WE HAD WITH SOME OF THE TROUBLES IN SOME OF THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE VERY PROACTIVE ON HOW WE DESIGN THIS AND WHAT WE ALLOW TO BE BUILT ON EACH LOT.
UH, ANY OTHER LAST COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION PRO OR AGAINST, WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO, UH, RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS, UH, PROJECT GOING BEFORE IN HIGH PINES OF STATES BASED ON, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ACCESS WITH THE 3 32, NOT AS A CONDITION, BUT SOMETHING THAT COMES BEFORE US ON THE TENTATIVE PLAT THAT WE KNOW IS IN PLACE FOR THE, THE, UM, ACCESS ISSUES THAT SURROUND THIS PROPERTY AND THE FOREST SERVICE USE IMPROVEMENT OR CHANGES TO THE 3 32 ROAD, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THAT'S EVER HAPPENED.
AND I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MOVING FORWARD ON A TENTATIVE PLOT WITHOUT THAT ACCESS BEING, UH, DISCUSSED ON SOME LEVEL SO THAT WE KNOW THIS PROJECT CAN MOVE FORWARD TO FRUITION.
AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T, FOREST SERVICE MAY NOT ALLOW THEM TO MAKE THE CHANGES, IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY NEED TO DO TO SUPPORT THE REQUIREMENTS BY THE FIRE DISTRICT.
'CAUSE THAT'S A FOREST SERVICE ROAD.
JUST TO CLARIFY, IT WON'T BE A RECOMMENDATION.
IT'LL JUST BE APPROVAL OR DENIAL THIS EVENING.
THIS ITEM ONLY COMES IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION JUST FOR ANY MOTIONS THAT COME OUT.
POSTPONE IT AND REQUEST MORE INFORMATION? ESSENTIALLY.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THINK YOU'RE SAYING IS NOT THAT IT'S TOTAL DENIAL, IT'S JUST WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.
NO, I MEAN, AFTER DENIAL THEY CAN COME BACK.
THEY GET TO COME BACK TO US AFTER THEY'VE GOTTEN THESE THINGS WORKED OUT WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR, THEIR NEW INFORMATION.
SO DO WE NEED TO DENY IT, LET 'EM COME BACK? OR DO THEY NEED, SO THERE'S AN NEED TO, THERE'S AN OPEN MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
YOU'D HAVE TO SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND.
IF THERE'S NO SECOND, THEN THE MOTION WOULD DIE.
AND THEN YOU COULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OR A MOTION TO TABLE.
AND AGAIN, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A SECOND AND, AND PROCEED THROUGH THERE.
IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO TABLE, IT WILL NEED TO BE TABLED TO A DEFINED DATE, HOWEVER, UH, SO IT'LL NEED TO BE A DEFINED DATE THAT THE COMMISSION ITSELF MEETS.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT WOULD BE TO SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND TO VICE CHAIR SMITH'S MOTION.
SO, UH, VICE CHAIR SMITH HAS RECOMME MADE A RECOMMENDED DENIAL.
SO SHE'S MADE A MOTION TO DENY THIS, THE APPROVAL OF THE TENTATIVE PLA SECOND AT THIS, AT THIS HEARING.
AND COMMISSIONER, HOW HAS SECONDED THAT? UM, SO NOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VOTE? OR DO WE SAY, OR IS THERE ANY CONCERNS? I, I, I HAVE A QUESTION.
CAN WE, COULD WE APPROVE IT WITH IT, WITH THE AMEND OR, UH, YOU KNOW, AMENDED THAT IT, THAT, THAT INFORMATION COME FORWARD OR EITHER WAY, DENY IT, RECOMMENDING, COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION? YEAH, SO, AND AS PART, AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT, UM, THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH HAS FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT CLEARLY THERE'S CONCERNS FROM, UM, THE APPROACH THAT IF THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS FROM FISH AND GAME AND THEY'RE ACCEPTING OF IT, IT NEEDS TO BE DOCUMENTED.
WE CAN'T HAVE A, YEAH, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND PHONE CALLS AND EVERYBODY'S GOOD.
UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON SOME OF THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH FOREST SERVICE, THE SAME THING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THIS NEEDS TO BE DOCUMENTED.
THERE NEEDS TO BE OBLIGATIONS, THERE NEED TO BE COMMITMENTS THERE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HAVING EVERYBODY HAVE THAT COMFORT LEVEL, THAT THESE CONCERNS AND THESE ISSUES ARE BEING SATISFIED.
AND WE PUT A CONDITION IN THERE, UM, THAT YOU NEED TO SEEK THIS OR THAT.
UM, IN MY MIND IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO LOOSE AT THIS POINT TO ADDRESS IT THROUGH A CONDITION.
UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF AMBIGUITY ON TWO OF THESE ISSUES.
ONE BEING THE WILDLIFE AND THE OTHER BEING THE ACCESS AND MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD.
COMMISSIONER ELL, JUST TO CLARIFY TO YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER MUDDER, UM, IT, IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION, BUT YES, YOU'RE ABLE TO ADD OR STRIKE ANY CONDITIONS OF, UH, OF APPROVAL ON A, A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
BUT, UM, COMMISSION IS WELCOME TO GO THROUGH THEIR, THEIR DISCUSSION AND THEN, AND THEN VOTE.
UH, IF THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY, UH, YOU'LL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION, WHICH IS DENIAL.
SO IF IN FAVOR TO DENY, IF AGAINST TO APPROVE.
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IF THERE ARE MORE VOTES IN OPPOSITION OF THAT, THEN IT'LL OPEN TO ANOTHER MOTION.DO THEY HAVE ANY WAITING PERIOD TO COME BACK IF IT'S DENIED? SORRY.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD THERE, COMMISSIONER? HOW, SORRY.
YEAH, I GET I GUESS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
THE, UM, THE, THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE TO, THE MOTION TO DENY DOES NOT CONS AND A NEGATIVE VOTE TO THE, TO THE MOTION TO DENY DENY DOES NOT NECESSARILY IMPLY APPROVAL.
THERE WOULD NEED, NEED TO BE A SECOND MOTION TO APPROVE, CORRECT? YES.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD NOT, UH, THAT WOULD NOT WARRANT APPROVAL ALTOGETHER.
THAT WOULD JUST THEN BE A, A DEAD MOTION AT THAT POINT IN TIME BECAUSE THERE'S NO FINAL DECISION MOTION.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE FLOOR WOULD BE OPEN FOR ANOTHER MOTION.
WE ALSO HAVE A SECOND, UM, WE'D MOVE TO A VOTE.
IN THIS VOTE, A YAY MEANS THAT YOU DO WANT THIS TO BE DENIED.
AND A NAY MEANS YOU'LL, YOU'D REJECT THAT.
SO, ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS DENIAL VOTE.
OVER HERE COMMISSIONER JOHN'S VOTE.
COMMISSIONER JOHN, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND REPEAT YOUR VOTE? MAYBE CAN PUT IT IN THE CHECK.
COMMISSIONER JOHN, YES OR NO? ASK IF HE'S IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
SO, OH, DO I VOTE? 'CAUSE I'M THE YES.
COMMISSIONER JOHN'S VOTE AGAIN, BECAUSE COMMISSIONER JOHN, WE WERE, UH, THE MOTION IS TO DENY THIS ITEM.
ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE ITEM? I AM VOTING NAY, NAY.
I'M SENDING THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE.
I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO, SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE MOTION WOULD DIE, ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION.
WE'LL SEE IF IT WORKS YOU THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE YOU ENTERTAIN THE MOTION.
MY ONLY REASON, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
I DON'T WANT TO DENY THIS BECAUSE OF THAT.
I'D RATHER DO A CONTINGENCY SAY BRING, BRING THAT INFORMATION.
BRING, UH, THAT'S MY, MY OPINION TOO.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT CODY WAS SAYING.
BY DENYING IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THE PROJECT GOES AWAY.
THEY HAVE A YEAR TO COME BACK TO US IN A YEAR.
THEY CAN COME BACK TO US AND ADDRESS THE THINGS WHY IT WAS DENIED.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY SHOULD HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR.
THEY SHOULD JUST GO GET THEIR STUFF TAKEN CARE OF AND COME BACK IF IT'S ONE MONTH OR TWO MONTHS OR FIVE MONTHS.
WELL, AND I'M SAYING WE'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE WITH THIS BEING BEFORE SIX TIMES AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A CONCERN.
'CAUSE AFTER ALL THIS TIME, THERE'S STILL NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE ON THE THINGS I BROUGHT UP TONIGHT.
AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE, SINCE 2007.
SO I, I THINK IT'S TIME TO PRODUCE SOMETHING SUBSTANTIVE ON, ON THESE ISSUES RATHER THAN MAKING A, A CONDITION TO COME BEFORE THE FINAL PLA.
AND WE DON'T GET TO DO THAT AGAIN.
WE DON'T GET TO LOOK AT THIS AGAIN.
MAYBE HE MIGHT HAVE CHANGED MY VOTE
THAT THAT'S, I I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO, I DON'T WANNA KILL THE DEAL.
I GET, UM, THE, UH, APPLICANT PAID A LOT OF MONEY TO HAVE A GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER GO TAKE TESTS UP AND DOWN FOREST SERVICE ROAD 3 32 TO DETERMINE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WERE REQUIRED TO BRING
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THIS UP TO A STANDARD THAT WOULD CARRY A 75,000 POUND VEHICLE.UM, WE PRESENTED THESE DRAWINGS TO THE FOREST SERVICE FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
I'VE NEVER RECEIVED ANY TYPE OF INFORMATION FROM THEM THAT SAID THAT THEY DID NOT, THEY'RE IN DENIAL OF THIS.
THE FOREST SERVICE THEMSELVES SENT PEOPLE OUT TO THE SITE DUE TO DO, UH, A BIOLOGICAL, UH, SURVEY OF THE WHOLE ROADWAY.
UH, HER ASSERTION THAT THIS HAS NOT BEEN TAKEN CARE OF IS INACCURATE.
AND, AND I I, IT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
YOU HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION'S TRYING TO SET US BACK A WHOLE NOTHER YEAR THAT IS BEYOND REPREHENSIBLE, IN MY OPINION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION? WE SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THIS PROJECT.
MR. MOFF WE'RE SHUTTING US BACK.
WHERE'S DOC? I MEAN, I SPEND MONEY ON PROJECTS ALL THE TIME.
YEAH, BUT DO YOU HAVE DOCUMENTATION THAT SAYS THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF IT? WE HAVE.
AND WE'VE PRESENTED IT TO THE COUNTY IN THE PAST.
IT HAS, IT'S A LINE ITEM, CONTINGENCY ITEM ALREADY.
JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE ON THIS LIST RIGHT HERE.
YOU'RE NOT GIVING US FINAL PLAT APPROVAL.
YOU'RE GIVING US APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD AND TO SET US BACK A WHOLE NOTHER YEAR IS, IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN MY OPINION.
UM, THE, THE FACT OF DEALING WITH THE FOREST SERVICES IS THE LEAST OF OUR CONCERNS.
'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF IT.
WE, WE CONQUERED A DQ FOR THE WATER SYSTEM.
WE CONQUERED ADOT TO GET A TURN LANE.
UH, AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE AFRAID THAT WE'RE GONNA KEEP WILD ANIMALS OUT OF THIS AREA IS WE HAVE A HUGE DAY WASH ANIMALS FOLLOW THE WASH WHEN THEY'RE MIGRATING.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT EVEN DISTURBING DAY WASH.
SO YOU'RE IN DAY WASH? NO, WE'RE NOT IN DAY WASH.
WE'RE NOT EVEN TOUCHING A DAY WASH.
WE OWN PROPERTY THAT GOES THROUGH THE, WELL, THE DRAINAGE ITSELF, THE ENTIRE VALLEY.
LET'S, LET'S GET THIS UNDER CONTROL.
IT, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE ANIMALS.
IT'S LITERALLY ABOUT A PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAYS YES.
YOU KNOW, CODY, UH, HAS THERE BEEN AN APPROVAL WRITTEN FROM GAME AND FISH ON THIS PROJECT? FIRST QUESTION.
WHY WAS GAME AND FISH EVEN CONTACTED IT WAS BECAUSE ANOTHER PREVIOUS PERSON GOT LITTLE OVERLY ZEALOUS CODY? NO.
IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT, BACK TO THE QUESTION, DO WE HAVE MR. TO PROOF? I BET.
I KNOW THAT GAME OF FISH HAS BEEN CONSULTED IN THE PAST IN THIS AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS FENCING AND OTHERWISE FOR THE WILDLIFE GAME FENCING.
NOTHING'S DOCUMENTED THOUGH IN THE PAST.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED THERE.
I'D HAVE TO GO CHECK THE RECORDS OVERALL FOR THAT TO VERIFY.
GIVEN, GIVEN WHERE THIS HAS GONE.
I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, HOWEVER, THE, THE MOTION TO DENY IS DIED.
SO THE, THE FLOOR IS OPEN TO ANOTHER MOTION.
AT THIS POINT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A NEW MOTION.
AGAIN, IT CAN BE APPROVAL DENIAL TABLING.
IF IT IS TABLING, JUST LET US KNOW SO THAT WE CAN FIND A DEFINED DATE FOR THE TABLING TO MAKE IT APPROPRIATE.
OKAY? I WOULD, I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND DOUG'S FRUSTRATION, BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND OUR FRUSTRATION.
YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH US NOW FOUR TIMES IN THE LAST, WHAT, FIVE YEARS? TWICE.
THIS HAS BEEN ASKED FOR IN A COMMISSION MEETING BY ME.
I HAVE REQUESTED, WHERE ARE WE OUT ON THE 3 32 ROAD? WHO IS GONNA MAINTAIN IT? ARE THEY GONNA LET YOU MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO IT? WE'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING.
WHY, IF THIS TOOK PLACE, WE HAVE 500 PAGES FROM YOUR, YOUR PROJECT APPLICATION THAT WE WENT THROUGH.
IT WASN'T WORTH PUTTING A PAGE OR TWO IN THERE ADDRESSING WHAT THE FOREST SERVICES RESPONSE WAS.
BUT WE'VE GOT PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES OF ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, BUT NOTHING THAT EVER ADDRESSES AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP A MINIMUM OF THREE TIMES ON THIS PROJECT TO YOUR APPLICANT.
AND IT'S NEVER, IT'S NEVER HAD ANY SUBSTANTIVE DOCUMENTATION TO SHOW THAT THIS COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH A 3 32 ROAD INVOLVED.
COMMISSIONER SMITH, SO YOUR MAIN CONCERN IS THE 3 32 ROAD AND THEN THE GAME AND FISH.
WELL, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN DOING A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THEY CAN GET THOSE TWO ITEMS TAKEN CARE OF DOC WITH DOCUMENTATION THAT NO, I WOULD RATHER JUST DO A DENIAL AND HAVE THEM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA GONNA PUSH THIS, DO THE DENIAL AND THEY, THEY CAN COME BACK WITH IT WHEN THEY COME BACK BEFORE US AND HAVE ALL THOSE TEXT IN THE ROOM.
UM, WHAT DO MR. CHAIR? UM, WE HAVE TO PUT A DATE IF YOU CHAMBER IT.
IT HAS TO BE A D DEFINIT DATE.
UH, COMMISSIONER HOWELL, YOU, UH, HAD SOME WHISPERINGS UP THERE?
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I, I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHEN DOES THE APPLICANT FEEL THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PULL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER TO SATISFY THE CONCERNS ADDRESSED BY THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING? WOULD THE APPLICANT OR ANYONE LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION? STAFF JUST SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT JUST TO, TO SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WERE.THEY, THEY BELIEVE WITHIN TWO MONTHS THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PULL TOGETHER THE DOCUMENTATION.
THEY THINK THEY COULD HAVE IT WITHIN THE MONTH.
IT JUST BECOMES A, A MATTER OF GETTING THAT INFORMATION INTO YOUR PACKETS AT DEADLINES OR AT OUR DEADLINES THAT ARE THERE.
SO THE TWO MONTHS WOULD GIVE THEM THE, THE ABILITY TO DO SO.
AGAIN, IF THE COMMISSION ENTERTAINS THAT, THAT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION.
AGAIN, FOR THOSE THAT ARE ONLINE, UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM GAME AND FISH THAT SAYS THEY'RE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT.
SO IF YOU HAVE THAT DOCUMENT, WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT.
UM, AND THEN IT WAS THE, UH, THAT'S GAME AND FISH.
AND THEN WE HAVE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE FOREST SERVICE BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THE TEST HAD THE FOREST SERVICE NOT EVEN ENTERTAINED US IMPROVING IT.
BUT WE WILL GO FIND THAT DOCUMENT.
WE DON'T, I WAS JUST TALKING WITH DOUG, WE DON'T KNOW WHY IT GOT OVERLOOKED, BUT IT DID.
AND IF YOU TABLE US AND GIVE US THAT TIME TO GET THAT DOCUMENT TO YOU, UM, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
TWO MONTHS WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 19TH.
MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE APPROVAL OR TABLE THIS ITEM, EXCUSE ME, UH, FOR PERIOD OF TWO MONTHS TO WHEN IT CAN BE RESCHEDULED BASED ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE, UH, A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL SEPTEMBER 19TH SO THAT THESE ITEMS, UH, THE ROAD 3 32, ALSO THE LETTER FROM KING OF FISH.
UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS REGARDING THIS MOTION? OKAY, LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VOTES.
I WOULD ONLY ADD THE, I I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT, UM, PROVIDE THE PROOF AT THAT POINT BASED ON THE FACT THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ON THIS.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOWELL.
OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS ITEM TO SEPTEMBER 19TH.
UH, PLEASE VOTE SAYING UH, YAY.
ANYONE DOES THAT DOES NOT WANT TO DO THIS, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND SINGLE AS WELL.
SO I THINK WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR.
I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS ALL YEP.
BEING WILLING TO, UH, FIGURE STUFF OUT.
I DON'T LIKE HOLDING PEOPLE UP.
I, I REALLY AM GLAD THAT WE WEREN'T, AREN'T HOLDING YOU UP AND IT'S NOT IN THERE.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BEING WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD AND DO THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE COME TO THESE THINGS.
[6. COMMISSIONER’S COMMENTS AND/OR DIRECTIONS TO STAFF: Commissioners may use this time to offer additional comments regarding any item on this agenda, or any other topic; and the Commission may direct staff to study or provide additional information on topics of the Commissions’ choosing.]
COMMENTS AND OR DIRECTIONS TO STAFF? COMMISSIONERS? DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO STAFF? MAIN CONCERN IS GETTING MORE COMMISSIONERS.SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TO STOP ANY OF THESE.
WELL, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND WELL, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING? SO WE, WE GOT OUR, WE GOT OUR, OUR SIDE BACK.
SO WE, WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING MORE COMMISSIONERS JUST SO THE COMMISSION IS AWARE.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THAT OUT, SO WE'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME NEW FACES OR FAMILIAR ONES SOON HERE.
JUMPING BACK IN, WE DO HAVE ITEMS SCHEDULED FOR THE AUGUST HEARING, SO JUST BE READY.
WE'LL GET THOSE PACKETS OUT ASAP.
WE'VE GOT, I THINK TWO CONFIRMED AS OF RIGHT NOW AND WE'LL SEE WHAT ELSE WE WALK IN IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO HERE.
UH, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
THE ONLY THING THAT I WAS GONNA LET YOU GUYS KNOW IS THAT, UM, EFFECTIVE THIS WEEK, UH, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS A STANDALONE, UM, UH, DIVISION OR DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE'RE NO LONGER UNDER PUBLIC WORKS.
SO JUST, UH, WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT IS ITS OWN DEPARTMENT.
ALRIGHT? DOES THAT AFFECT US IN ANY WAY? NO.
THAT'S A GOOD THING AFFECTING YOU.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T CATCH, THERE WAS TWO QUESTIONS THERE, SO, OKAY.
ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THIS MEETING.