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I WILL NOW CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR JANUARY THE 18TH, 2024 TO ORDER.
UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
IF YOU WOULD ALL PLEASE RISE THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE WITH ME.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE ALL.
I'LL NOW CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING INFORMATION FOR JANUARY.
SORRY, I WAS WATCHING TO SEE IF THE, I WAS WATCHING TO SEE IF IT ACTUALLY WORK.
I HAVE TOO MUCH DRAWING SO I CAN CONTINUE.
[1. REVIEW OF AGENDA BY COMMISSIONERS: ]
NUMBER ONE, REVIEW OF THE AGENDA BY COMMISSIONERS.HAS ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT? ANY QUESTIONS? ITEM NUMBER TWO, CALL TO THE PUBLIC FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
INDIVIDUALS MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY RELEVANT ISSUE FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES AT THE CLOSE OF THE CALL TO THE PUBLIC COMMISSION.
MEMBERS MAY NOT RESPOND TO ANY COMMENTS, BUT MAY RESPOND TO CRITICISMS. ASK STAFF TO REVIEW A MATTER OR ASK THAT A MATTER BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK UNDER CALL TO PUBLIC? SEE, AND NO ONE MOVE.
[3. ELECTION OF OFFICERS:]
MOVE ON TO NUMBER THREE.IT'S TIME TO ELECT A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR.
DO WE HAVE, UH, DENOMINATIONS NEED TO BE SECONDED? YES.
SO YES, FOR OUR PURPOSES, IT NEED TO BE A NOMINATION.
AND A SECOND, HAVE A NOMINATION FOR CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UM, LOGAN ROGERS IF HE'D BE WILLING TO ACCEPT THE NOMINATION FOR CHAIRMAN.
ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR NOMINATIONS? CLOSED NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR.
ANY NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? I, I, I NOMINATE RUTH SMITH, RUTH ANN TO STAY.
AND I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION ALSO NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR.
UM, CAN WE JUST CAST A WHITE BALLOT OR YEP.
WE'LL JUST HAVE A VOTE NOW FOR, UH, THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE NOMINATIONS, UH, SIGNIFIED BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES ALL CLEAN FLOOR.
I'M GONNA, A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
COMMISSIONER BOER HAS JUST JOINED.
UH, AS WELL VIA TEAMS, LEMME KNOW.
OH, CONSIDERATION OF PAROLE MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, SO BEAR WITH ME SO YOU'LL BE GOOD.
SO YOU JUST CALL OUT THE CONSIDERATION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
[4. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE COMMISSION HEARING OF: December 14th, 2023.]
SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE COMMISSIONER HEARING OF DECEMBER 14TH, 2023.UM, COMMISSIONERS, HAVE YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT AND REVIEW THAT? AND IF SO,
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I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MOTION? NO.
UH, GOOD TO MEET, PROCEED TO VOTE.
THERE'S TWO OF THEM ON THERE NOW.
DID WE GET BOTH OF 'EM? KRISTEN? UM, I BELIEVE SO.
OKAY, SO WE HAD ALL EYES NO NOS.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT.
OKAY, GO AHEAD AND, OKAY, SO ON THE NEXT AGENDA,
[5. SUP 24-001 ROCKING CHAIR RANCH SOLAR, DISTRICT III: Consideration of a request by Enfinity Global, LLC for a Special Use Permit to allow for the construction and operation of a 1,100 MW solar energy generation facility, 1,100 MW Battery Energy Storage System, and associated facilities on approximately 7,485 acres. APN # 201-13-001, 201-13-004, 201-13-007, 201-13-007A, 202-26-006, and 202-26-007, T14N, R19E, S13, 15, 21, 23, 25, 26, 27, 28, and 35, T14N, R20E, S07, 08, 09. Owner: Rocking Chair Ranch and Rocking Chair Ranch, Inc. Representative: Dale Harris.]
WHICH IS, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS AGENDA NUMBER OR, UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, WHEN WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER WHO WILL RECUSE HIMSELF, IS THAT CORRECT? FOR, FOR ITEM FIVE, PLEASE.CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE.
SO AT THIS TIME WE WILL EXCUSE HIM AND WELCOME HIM BACK FOR THE NEXT ONES.
SO AGAIN, PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.
I'M, UH, NEW TO THE SEAT
SO THE AGENDA, SUP TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 1, ROCKING CHAIR, RANCH SOLAR DISTRICT NUMBER THREE, CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST BY INFINITY GLOBAL LLC FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF A 1100 MW SOLAR ENERGY GENERATION FACILITY.
UH, 1100 MEGAWATTS BATTERY, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, AND ASSOCIATED FACILITIES ON APPROXIMATELY 7,485 ACRES.
A PN NUMBER 2 0 1 1 3 0 0 1 2, 0 1 1, 3 0 0 4, 2 0 1 1.
3 0 0 0 7 A, 2 0 1 2 6, 0 0 6 AND 2 0 2 2 6 0 0 7, UH, T ONE, FOUR AND R 19 ES 13, 15, 21, 23, 25, 26, 27, 28, AND 35 T 14 NR 20 ES 0 7 0 8 0 9.
REPRESENTATIVE IS DALE HARRIS.
UH, WE WILL TURN THE TIME OVER TO STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE US THE DETAILS ON THAT.
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, CHAIR, CONGRATULATIONS VICE CHAIR AS WELL.
SO TONIGHT WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT ROCKING CHAIR RANCH SOLAR ENERGY GENERATION FACILITY DISTRICT NUMBER THREE.
OUR NEW CHAIR COVERED IT PRETTY WELL.
UH, LOCATED NORTHWEST OF SNOWFLAKE, ABOUT 17 MILES ON THOSE ASSOCIATED APNS.
IT'S GONNA BE FIVE PARCELS, TOTALING 7,485 ACRES.
YOU GOT A GENERAL AS WELL AS SOME PARCELS ZONED R RU 20.
UH, THE SOLAR GENER, THE SOLAR POWER GENERATION ISN'T ALLOWED USE UNDER THOSE ZONINGS IF THEY GET THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UH, THE LAND IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE ROCKING CHAIR RANCH INCORPORATED AND THEY CURRENTLY USE IT FOR GRAZING LAND AND OTHER ASSOCIATED RANCHING FACILITIES.
AND IF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS APPROVED, THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT A 1100 MEGAWATT SOLAR POWER GENERATION FACILITY AS WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL 1100 MEGAWATT BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY.
OR BEST, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE COMPONENTS WON'T GO SUPER IN DEPTH INTO THEM.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR SOLAR MODULES AND THEIR RACKING SYSTEMS. YOU'LL HAVE CABLING, UH, TO CONVERT THE PANEL OUTPUTS A COLLECTOR CABLE.
THERE'LL BE AN O AND M BUILDING, LIKE I SAID, THAT BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR ANOTHER 1100 MEGAWATTS OF ELECTRICITY STORAGE.
THERE WILL BE PERMANENT UNPAVED ROADS WITHIN THE SOLAR FACILITY AREA.
THEY ARE TO DETERMINE FIRE SUPPRESSION AS THEIR DESIGN PROGRESSES FURTHER AND IT WILL BE ENCLOSED BY FENCING.
HERE'S OUR VICINITY MAP, LIKE I SAID, SHOWING KIND OF THE BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ABOUT 17 MILES OR SO FROM SNOWFLAKE, ARIZONA.
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PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN ILLUSTRATING HOW THEY WANT TO LAY THE PROJECT OUT.THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN GRAY ARE GONNA BE WHERE THE SOLAR PANELS GO.
THAT LITTLE AREA, UH, HIGHLIGHTED IN PINK IS GOING TO BE WHERE THE O AND M BUILDING AS WELL AS BATTERY STORAGE GO.
THAT BLACK LINE GOING THROUGH THERE IS GOING TO BE THE, UH, CABLING THAT CONNECTS TO THE SUBSTATION.
UM, AND THEN THOSE GREEN AREAS ARE WETLAND AREAS WHERE SOLAR PANELS ARE NOT GOING TO BE PLACED.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME VISUAL SIMULATIONS FOR YOU HERE.
SHOWING THE TOP IS CURRENTLY AS IT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE BOTTOM, UM, AS A SIMULATION.
AND THEN I DO HAVE THIS VIEW AS WELL.
UM, IF YOU CAN SEE DOWN THERE ON THE BOTTOM IN THE SIMULATED CONDITIONS, THAT AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN IS WHERE THE ACTUAL SOLAR FACILITY WILL BE.
I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE, IT JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER VIEW.
I CAN GO BACK AND FORTH JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU.
AND THAT'S FROM THE LOOKING FROM THE SOUTH.
WE, UH, SOUTHEAST ALONG THE 3 77 MORE NORTH OF THE PROJECT.
THIS IS KIND OF COMING UP LOOKING TO THE NORTHEAST LITTLE FURTHER DOWN SOUTH, ALONG THE 3 77.
LIKE I SAID, YOU HAVE YOUR EXISTING CONDITIONS AS WELL AS YOUR SIMULATED CONDITIONS.
I BELIEVE YOUR GREEN STRETCH WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, SO YOU CAN JUST BARELY SEE IT KIND OF SWITCH OVER THERE.
SO NOT MUCH OF AN IMPACT TO THE SCENIC VIEW SHUTTLE ALONG THE 3 77 COMING TO OUR STAFF ANALYSIS.
SO THIS PROJECT, UH, DOES MEET, HAS INDICATED THAT THEY WILL MEET A NUMBER OF GOALS OF THE LAND USE ELEMENT AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THEY HAVE COMPLETED SURVEYS TO ASSESS THE WILDLIFE AND HABITAT RESOURCES WITHIN THE AREA.
THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE WILDLIFE AND PROTECTED SPECIES WITHIN THIS AREA.
THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THERE ARE NO BIOLOGICAL RESOURCE CONCERNS THAT MAY TRIGGER ANY PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS OR ANY OTHER RESTRAINTS ON THE PROJECT THERE.
THEY DO HAVE APPROPRIATE ACCESS.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE ROUTES INDICATED ALONG THE NORTHERN AND EASTERN PORTIONS OF THIS PROJECT AND I CAN GO BACK TO THAT MAP AND SHOW YOU THOSE AS WELL ALONG THE STATE HIGHWAY 3 77.
LIKE I SAID, THEY ARE PLANNING ON MAKING ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FIRE AND EMERGENCY ACCESS AND PUBLIC WORKS IS PLANNING ON REVIEWING ALL THE TRAFFIC PLANS TO ENSURE SAFE AND PROPER ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE COMPLETION OF THIS PROJECT.
THAT BEING SAID, THIS ITEM HAS BEEN PROPERLY NOTICED, POSTED AND IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ARIZONA STATE LAW AS WELL AS ARTICLE 29.
THE PROPOSED USE HAS BEEN DETERMINED AS A COMPATIBLE CURRENT LIKELY FUTURE USES.
THERE WILL BE MINIMAL ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE AREA.
THAT'S ACTUALLY AN AREA ON THAT.
PUBLIC COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
LASTLY, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT SUBJECT TO THE 15 CONDITIONS LISTED HERE IN OUR STAFF REPORT.
IT DOES GET A LITTLE LENGTHY WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON THOSE, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.
OUR APPLICANTS ARE HERE AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM, THEY CAN ANSWER THOSE AS WELL.
UM, WE CAN MOVE TO THE DEVELOPERS IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
UH, IS, GO AHEAD AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AS WELL.
UM, MY PERSONAL ADDRESS OR WHATEVER BUSINESS ADDRESS.
UH, BISCAY, WHAT IS OUR TWO BI TWO SOUTH, TWO SOUTH BISCAYNE, MIAMI.
SORRY, I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.
ANYWAY, UM, YES, WE'RE WITH INFINITY GLOBAL AND I THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING OUR PROJECT.
UH, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
I THINK OUR MAIN FOCUS IS SET.
WE WANT IT TO BE A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT, WHICH REQUIRES BUILDING A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU GUYS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AND OUR LANDOWNERS AS WELL AS THE UTILITY.
UM, I I THINK WE'VE ANS YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN LEFT OUT OF OUR APPLICATION THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW.
DID YOU WANT THE VISUAL, I'M SORRY,
SO, UM, WHAT WE'LL DO NOW IS WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND, UH, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL LISTEN TO ALL THE IN FAVOR COMMENTS FIRST, AND WE'LL LISTEN TO THE ORDER.
WILL BE ANYONE THAT'S HERE IN THE ROOM THAT IS IN FAVOR.
AND AFTER ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE ROOM SPEAK, THEN WE'LL GO TO ONLINE.
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WE DID AWAY WITH THAT.OH, WE'RE, WE'RE NO LONGER COMMENTS? MM-HMM.
AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT IN FAVOR AND, UH, THEN THEY'LL SPEAK.
SO, LOOKING OUT THERE, ARE THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, UM, FOR THIS ITEM ON OUR AGENDA? OKAY.
WELL, LET'S, UH, IS THERE ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK IN NEGATIVE? NO.
SO WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE DEVELOPERS? NO, NOT ANY.
MOTION IF, UH, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, THEN I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE.
UM, UH, ITEM FIVE SUP 24 DASH 0 0 1.
ROCKY CARE RENT SOLAR DISTRICT THREE WITH THE STAFF RECORD.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE, THAT MOTION? HEARING NONE, WE WILL PROCEED TO A VOTE.
SO, UM, ALL IN FAVOR AND NO, NOT NAYS, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO, UH, THAT ONE PASSES AND WE WILL, UH, WELCOME COMMISSIONER MUR BACK TO THE STAGE AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
YOU CAME ALL THE WAY FROM MIAMI FOR THAT
THIS MEANS WE DID OUR JOB RIGHT AWAY SIGNING.
[6. TXT-A 24-001 AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 22 – RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PLACEMENT: Consideration of text amendment to Article 22, Sections 2202, 2203, and 2207, regarding recreational vehicle placement.]
UH, MOVING ON TO AGENDA NUMBER OR ITEM NUMBER SIX.UM, TXTA TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 1 AMENDMENT TWO, ARTICLE 22, UH, RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PLACEMENT.
THIS WILL BE THE CONSIDERATION OF TEXT A MINUTE TO ARTICLE 22.
SECTION 2 2 0 2 2 2 0 3 AND 2 2 0 7.
REGARDING RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PLACEMENT, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY OUR VERY OWN CODY COOPER.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE CHAIR.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
I'M GONNA KEEP THIS RELATIVELY SIMPLE.
UH, STAFF HAS DONE THE FULL BREAKDOWN IN THE, WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT.
AS FAR AS WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT HAD COME TO PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, WITH SOME CONCERNS OVER HOW TO ENFORCE PLACEMENT OF RVS RELATED TO STORAGE OR LONG-TERM OCCUPANCY WHERE THERE'S CURRENTLY THE RV, UM, ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS ONCE PER CALENDAR YEAR NOT TO EXCEED 30 DAYS VERSUS STORAGE, WHICH IS ALLOWED ON PROPERTY SIMILAR TO ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.
UM, WITHIN OUR SECTION FOR RV PLACEMENT, THERE WAS NEVER ANY CLARIFICATION FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SHORT TERM OCCUPANCY AS WELL AS THE STORAGE THAT WAS THERE.
UM, SO WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND DONE IS STAFF IS WE'VE ADDED IN THE DEFINITION FOR SHORT TERM OCCUPANCY, WHICH IS ALSO CLARIFIED ELSEWHERE THAT IT'S THE NOT TO EXCEED 30 DAYS ONCE PER CALENDAR YEAR.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO CLARIFIED WHERE SHORT-TERM OCCUPANCY VERSUS STORAGE WE'RE ALLOWED.
UM, SO PREVIOUSLY THE ORDINANCE JUST SAID, ALL RIGHT, IF YOU'RE IN A MULTI-FAMILY ZONE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY WHERE RV PARKS CURRENTLY ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE COUNTY WHERE THOSE ARE APPROVED, UM, THEN YOU COULDN'T PLACE AN RV ON THE PROPERTY.
THE ISSUE THAT COMES WITH THAT IS THERE'S PLENTY OF HOMEOWNERS WHO OWN AN RV THAT LIKE TO STORE AN RV ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND CLARIFIED WAS YOU CANNOT STAY ON THOSE IN THE SAME WAY AS AN RV PARK, AS THOSE ARE WITHIN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS.
BUT YOU CAN STORE AN RV ON THOSE PROPERTIES SPECIFICALLY.
SO WE'VE NOTED THAT THE, THE SHORT TERM OCCUPANCY IS FOR ANY OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
THAT IS WHAT WAS INITIALLY APPROVED WITH THE RV ORDINANCE BACK IN 2000.
THIS IS JUST CLARIFYING LANGUAGE FOR ANY CONFUSION SO THAT WE HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY WITH THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN WE HAVE NOTED STORAGE IS ALLOWED IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS SUBJECT TO ACCESSORY REBUILDING STANDARDS.
THAT'S REALLY THE RUNDOWN OF IT.
WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF TINY CLEANUP LANGUAGE WITH THE CHANGE OF OUR, OUR DIVISION'S NAME.
THAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THAT WAS ADOPTED.
BUT, UM, MORE OR LESS THAT'S WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS.
CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS NOTED THAT THIS WILL BE HELPFUL TO THEM SO THAT THEY CAN BE MORE CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC IF THERE ACTUALLY IS A VIOLATION OR IS NOT.
UM, THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE VIOLATIONS IF IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
UH, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO WORK WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT'S THERE STAFF'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.
UM, JUST TO NOTE, THIS ONE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.
SO THERE WILL BE THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
SO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AND YES.
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ARE WE GONNA ASK QUESTIONS NOW OR LATER? I THINK AT LATER, RIGHT? IT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU AS COMMISSIONERS WHENEVER YOU'D LIKE.IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC.
ALL RIGHT, NOW YOU, NOW YOU'RE GOOD.
SO WE WANNA OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THIS? WE WELCOME YOU TO THE STAND.
SO NO ONE CAME UP, SO WE'RE GONNA CLOSE IT NOW.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S GO AHEAD AND QUESTION AWAY, UH, CODY.
SO IS THAT THAT 30 DAYS IS THAT THEY CAN KEEP IT THERE FOR 30 DAYS CONTINUOUSLY, BUT WHAT IF IT'S THERE FOR 10 DAYS HERE? 10 DAYS HERE? 10 DAYS HERE? 10 DAYS HERE.
AND WHAT, AND WHAT WOULD BE THE SEPARATION THAT HAS TO BE IN BETWEEN? SO IT'S FOR ONE PERIOD FOR UP TO 30 DAYS PER YEAR.
SO BASED ON THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS OF WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE, THAT IS ONE PERIOD IN WHICH YOU'VE SET IT.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK, GO FORTH, COME BACK.
BUT IT IS THAT ONE PERIOD PERIOD PER CALENDAR YEAR.
THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED SINCE 2000 AS A PART OF THIS.
THIS IS JUST CLARIFYING THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO STORE RVS THAT THOUGHT THEY OTHERWISE WEREN'T ABLE TO, BUT THAT IS HOW THAT WORKS.
THEY CAN STORE IT FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.
BUT FOR MORE THAN THAT MONTH IN THE PERIOD PER YEAR, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY, BUT TECHNICALLY, I MEAN YOU COULD, YOU COULD LIVE IN IT FOR 29 DAYS, MOVE FOR THREE AND COME BACK FOR ANOTHER 29.
NO, UM, WE ARE BASED ON ENFORCEMENT, BASED ON COMPLAINTS.
BUT IT IS THAT ONE, IT IS THE ONE PERIOD FOR THE 30 DAYS, WHICH LOOKS TO AVOID THAT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN NATIONAL FORESTS OR, OR PARKS WHERE THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, CAMP FOR TWO WEEKS, MOVE ACROSS THE ROAD, TWO WEEKS BACK ACROSS THE ROAD, TWO WEEKS.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THE PROVISION WAS INITIALLY IN THERE.
AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE ANYTHING WITH THAT REGARD.
SO IT'S 30 DAYS TOTAL IN A 12 MONTH PERIOD? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
CODY, DO YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IT WORDED ON THERE AS 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS? IT SO WE HAVE ADDED AS THE 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
YEAH, I DID ADD THAT IN THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE IT WAS FULLY CLEAR.
UM, BUT THAT WAS WHAT WAS ADOPTED BACK IN 2000 WITH THE ORIGINAL AND CODY, THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED AS ONLY MULTIFAMILY OR ALL.
SO ANY PROPERTY WILL BE ABLE TO STORE RVS.
NOW IT'S BEEN CLARIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE.
THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, BUT NEIGHBORS HAVE MADE COMPLAINTS SAYING IT SAYS YOU WON'T PLACE AN RV HERE.
MY NEIGHBORS PLACED AN RV FOR STORAGE.
SO WE'VE CLARIFIED NOW THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO STORE THERE.
AND THEN WHAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE AS FAR AS THE SHORT TERM OCCUPANCY IS THAT IT'S ONLY FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS.
AS THERE ARE RV PARKS WITHIN MULTIPLE FAMILY, IT'S ENCOURAGED TO GO WITHIN THOSE RV PARKS.
UM, APPLICANTS STILL ARE ABLE, THERE WAS NO CHANGE TO THIS.
THEY CAN COME THROUGH AND APPLY FOR TEMPORARY RV PERMITS AND ANY ZONING DISTRICT, SAY THEY WERE TRYING TO BUILD A HOME, YOU CAN GET BETWEEN ONE AND TWO YEARS TO STILL BUILD THAT HOME.
THIS IS JUST FOR THE VERY SHORT TERM WITH THAT REGARD.
AND IS THIS SPECIAL PERMIT TYPE OF SITUATION THAT, BUT THAT DOESN'T COME BEFORE US.
THAT'S SOMETHING STAFF TAKES THAT, THAT'S A STAFF LEVEL.
SO WE DO THE TEMPORARY RV PERMITS AND REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE AND THEY JUST SHOW US SOME CONSTRUCTION PERMITS.
UH, AND THEN WE GIVE THEM A YEAR TO WORK ON IT AND THEY CAN RENEW IF THEY'RE STILL WORKING AFTER THAT YEAR.
CHAIRMAN, I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED A MINUTE AGO.
IT DOES SAY SHORT TERM MARK OCCUPANCY MEANS A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS ONCE PER CALENDAR.
YOU HAVE VISITORS COME IN, LIVE IN IT FOR TWO WEEKS AND CONTINUE ON THEIR TRAVELS.
THEY CAN KEEP DOING THAT JUST, JUST THE ONCE PER YEAR ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE.
SO YOU COULD HAVE THE ONE CONSECUTIVE CONSECUTIVE DAYS IS WHAT IT SAYS ONCE PER CALENDAR YEAR.
SO THAT 30 DAY PERIOD IS ONCE PER CALENDAR YEAR AND THAT, BUT THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS.
IT SAYS 30 NOT TO EXCEED 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
TO ME CONSECUTIVE MEANS ONE THROUGH 30 MM-HMM.
IF THEY'RE HERE ONE THROUGH 14 AND THEY GO AWAY AND, AND SOMEBODY ELSE COMES BACK MM-HMM.
SO THEY, THEY'VE BASICALLY USED THAT ONE THROUGH 30 BY USING THOSE 14 DAYS.
THAT, AND THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WE'VE CHANGED HERE.
THAT'S WHAT THE CODE HAS BEEN FOR 24 YEARS, FOUR THROUGH 30 OR NOT TO SEE 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
I WOULD DO AWAY WITH CONSECUTIVE AND MAKE THAT TOTAL DAYS BECAUSE CONSECUTIVE MEANS BACK TO BACK.
AND THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UM, WITHIN THE SAMPLE MOTIONS, YOU WOULD JUST STRIKE AND THEN ADD THERE.
I WANT TO ADD ALSO THE PART THAT YOU SAID ARE 30 DAYS OR ANY PORTION THERE'RE OFF.
SO 'CAUSE THEY COME AND STAY HERE FOR TWO DAYS, THEY GIVE YOU COMMISSIONER 30 DAYS.
SO SO 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS MEANS 30 CONSECUTIVE
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DAYS.IF THEY COME IN ON THE 1ST OF OCTOBER, THEY CAN STAY THROUGH THE 30TH OF OCTOBER.
IF THEY CHOOSE TO LEAVE ON THE 14TH OF OCTOBER, THEY'RE DONE THE 30 DAYS.
THE 30 DAYS IS IS THOSE CONSECUTIVE DAYS, THEY DON'T GET TO COME BACK.
EVEN IF IT'S A, A DIFFERENT FAMILY MEMBER THAT'S COMING TO VISIT YOU, DOES THAT APPLY TO ME TOO TIMES WHERE SO IT, THEY MAY NOT GET 30 DAYS ON IT AT ALL.
THEY CHOOSE TO ONLY USE 14 OF THEM.
THAT FOR THAT YEAR, IT CANNOT BE TAKEN.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO KEEP THE VERBIAGE OF CONSECUTIVE THE SAME PATH THAT DID HIM, THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP THE VERBIAGE OF CONSECUTIVE.
BECAUSE IF YOU JUST SAY 30 DAYS TOTAL WITHIN THE YEAR, THEN THEY CAN COME BACK.
THEN THEY COULD BE HERE FOR 10, COME BACK FOR 10, COME BACK FOR 10.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MEANING OF THE ORDINANCE IS.
MY MY MY OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU HAVE THE SON LIVES IN CALIFORNIA AND A SON THAT LIVES, OUR DAUGHTER LIVES IN NORTH COUNTY, CAROLINA.
ONE CAN COME IN AND VISIT YOU FOR A WEEK, TWO WEEKS AND GO BACK HOME.
THE OTHER ONE COMES IN FROM THE OTHER COAST, THEY CAN'T STAY THERE.
WITH THE WAY THAT IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
AND THAT'S NOTHING THAT WE'VE CHANGED OVER THE PAST 24 YEARS.
WELL, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, YEAH.
THAT, THAT IS HOW THAT'S BEEN SINCE 2000.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING TO CHANGE.
WE WERE LOOKING TO CLARIFY WHERE PEOPLE CAN STORE THESE SO THEY'RE NOT GETTING FALSE COMPLAINTS AGAINST THEIR PROPERTIES.
I HAVE AN ISSUE NOT BEING ABLE TO LET FAMILY MEMBERS FALL WITHIN THE 30 DAYS AND, AND THEY MAY BE SIX MONTHS APART AND YOU KNOW THAT, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABLE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS YOU'D LIKE.
IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.
CAN WE, UH, DETERMINE NOT CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
SO WHAT I MEAN, SO THIS IS, UH, UH, THE GUY THAT THE WHO'S THE, WHO POLICES IT, CODE ENFORCEMENT, CODE ENFORCEMENT, CODE ENFORCEMENT, THAT THOSE GUYS, SO ARE THEY DO, ARE THEY KEEPING TRACK OR ARE WE COUNTING ON THE NEIGHBORS TO, IS THIS, UH, COMPLAINT DRIVEN? THIS IS, THIS IS COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM OCCUPANCY WITH RVS SINCE IT'S A GI A 30 DAY PERIOD WITHOUT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
THIS IS IF THERE'S ISSUES WITH NEIGHBORS AND TRULY IF THEY BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE'S OCCUPYING IN THE LONG TERM.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S HOW THIS IS DRIVEN.
NOW, IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT DRIVEN AND THEY GO OUT THERE ON ONE DAY, THEN THERE'S A FURTHER COMPLAINT AT ANOTHER DATE, THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO TO PULL THOSE DAYS AND COUNT.
BUT THEY WON'T KNOW THE INITIAL UNTIL THEY'VE GONE TO DO A VISIT.
SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEGATIVE ASPECT FROM THE COUNTY'S POINT OF VIEW OF HAVING THAT 30 DAYS A YEAR AND ALLOWING A FAMILY TO DIVIDE THAT UP? IS IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T SEE WHEN IT'S, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF TRACKING WHEN IT WAS USED AND WHEN IT WASN'T YES.
TO SAY WHEN THE 30 DAYS ARE UP, IF IT'S NOT DONE IN JUST ONE SHOT.
IT MAKES IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO GO OUT THERE AND DEAL WITH ANY ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THEN THERE CAN BE THE CLAIMS AS TO SOMEONE SPLITTING IT UP.
AGAIN, THEY COULD TRACK DURING THAT PERIOD, BUT IT MAKES IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO TRACK.
AND IT WOULD LEAD TO, I SEE COULD, COULD LEAD POTENTIALLY TO AN INCREASE IN COMPLAINTS, UM, THAT WOULD INVOLVE MORE OF A GRAY AREA VERSUS THE BLACK AND WHITE OF WHAT THEY HAVE.
WELL, I'VE REALLY OFF BASED ON THIS FULL I SEE, I SEE THIS POINT OF VIEW, BUT I ALSO SEE THAT POINT OF VIEW.
I TOO, HOW OFTEN DOES THIS COME UP AS A, AN ITEM, LIKE AN A COMPLAINT ITEM WHERE WE HAVE TO, THIS, THIS IS THE MOST COMMON COMPLAINT THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT RECEIVES WITHIN THE COUNTY.
REALLY LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE CALLING IN SAYING, MY NEIGHBORS ARE STORM PEOPLES.
THEY DON'T HAVE SEPTIC OR OTHERWISE OR CONNECTIONS TO SEWER.
THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST COMMON COMPLAINT THAT'S RECEIVED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT WITHIN THE COUNTY.
SO IF WE WENT THIS ROUTE, IT WOULD OPEN IT UP TO A LOOPHOLE FOR THEM.
OH, THEY'RE OUT FOR THREE DAYS AND THEN THEY'RE BACK.
IT WOULD MAKE CODE ENFORCEMENT'S JOB MORE DIFFICULT.
BUT THE GUY THAT'S BRINGING HIS KIDS OVER THREE WEEKS A YEAR PROBABLY IS NOT THE ONE GETTING CALLED ON.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS WITH REGARD TO THOSE.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRULY OCCUPYING IN THE LONG TERM WITHOUT FACILITIES.
WELL, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHER AREAS IN THE COUNTY, BUT HEBREW OVER GUARD SINCE COVID AND PEOPLE HAVING JOB ISSUES AND THE FINANCIAL ISSUES YOU'RE SEEING WAY, WAY MORE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST A WHOLE LOT MORE OF THAT.
AND IT'S, IT'S TROUBLE ME AS WELL, REMEMBER RIGHT ACROSS FROM CIRCLE K.
SO I, I THINK THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING THAT, ALTHOUGH I DO UNDERSTAND, UH, I SEE BOTH SAW THIS, BUT, BUT IT'S MORE OF FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT IF THEY CAN'T ENFORCE IT.
AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO STICK WITH WHAT THIS HAVE ANY EFFECT ON A FAMILY
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MEMBER WHO OWNS THEIR OWN THAT IS TRAVELING CROSS COUNTRY AND IS GOING TO STOP IN AT DAD'S FOR THREE WEEKS AND STAY IN HIS OWN RV AND STAY IN HIS OWN RV.AND THEN HE AND THE RV LEAVES.
NOT TYPICALLY IT CARRIES WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT YOU'LL SEE IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WHERE, UM, THAT'LL HAPPEN OCCASIONALLY WITH FAMILY MEMBERS OR, UM, LIKE A COMMON ONE YOU'LL SEE IN Y MOUNTAIN LAKE OR HEBREW REGARD IS, WE'RE NOT SURE WE WANT TO LIVE HERE FULL-TIME YET, BUT WE LIKE TO VISIT IN THE SUMMERS.
WE'RE JUST GONNA COME PARK OUR RV, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM OR A WAY TO GO DROP OFF YOUR WASTE.
FEEL FREE TO STAY FOR A MONTH AFTER THAT POINT IN TIME, YOU WOULD NEED TO GO BACK.
SO MY SITUATION THAT I JUST SAID, THE HOMEOWNER, THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL NOT HAVE TO TELL THE FAMILY MEMBER, NO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO TOWN AND GET AN RV PARK.
'CAUSE I'VE ALREADY HAD SOMEBODY STAY HERE.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS IS FOR.
THOSE ARE VERY LIMITED AS FAR AS COMPLAINTS THAT COME IN.
YEAH, I WOULD SAY NEXT TO NO COMPLAINTS COME IN OF THAT NATURE.
IT'S USUALLY PEOPLE OPERATING WHERE THEY'RE USING CESSPOOLS OR IMPROPER DUMPING AND LIVING ON A VERY LONG-TERM BASIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? IF NONE, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND THIS TEXT AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 22 OF THE NAVAJO COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE TO THE NAVAJO COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THAT MOTION? HEARING NONE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT PASSES, UM, UNANIMOUSLY.
[7. TXT-A 24-002 AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 29 – CITIZEN REVIEW: Consideration of a text amendment to Article 29, Section 2907, regarding citizen review.]
OKAY.SO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN TXTA 24 0 0 2.
AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 29 CITIZEN REVIEW, CONSIDERATION OF A TEXT AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 29, SECTION 2 9 0 7 REGARDING CITIZEN REVIEW.
CODY, WE WILL TURN THE TIME TO YOU.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
AGAIN, I'M GONNA KEEP THIS AS BRIEF, BRIEF AS POSSIBLE HERE.
IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS ON IT, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TO NOTIFY ME.
UM, WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITHIN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE IS WE HAVE A CITIZEN REVIEW PROCESS FOR ZONE CHANGES THAT IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CITIZEN REVIEW PROCESS, UM, WHICH IS A, A PROCESS IN WHICH THE PUBLIC IS NOTIFIED PRIOR TO COMING TO THE COMMISSION FOR A HEARING, UM, EITHER WITH A MAILER OR A MEETING, WHATEVER, A COUNTY IS CLARIFIED AS BEING ACCEPTABLE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
UM, BUT WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE ONLY MEETS THE COMPLIANCE FOR THE MINIMAL, WHICH IS ZONE CHANGES AND ALLOWS FOR MEETINGS OR MAILERS OR VIRTUAL OR OTHERWISE.
UM, WE'VE GOTTEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT FROM THE PUBLIC, AND I'M SURE AS YOU'VE SEEN WITH SOME ITEMS WHEN THEY COME IN ZONE CHANGER, OTHERWISE LOTS OF PEOPLE CAN BE FIRED UP.
UM, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED OR ADDRESSED FOR THIS.
SO WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS TO STRIKE THE EXISTING CITIZEN REVIEW.
WE COULD HAVE WORKED AROUND WITH IT, BUT HONESTLY, IT'S EASIER TO JUST START FRESH ON THIS AND FOLLOW SOME OF THE SIMILAR GUIDELINES.
UH, AND WHAT WE WOULD BE REQUESTING HERE WOULD BE TO REQUIRE ALL PROCESSES THAT GO IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO HAVE A CITIZEN REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE APPLICANTS FOR ANYTHING THAT COMES IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION TO HOST A COMMUNITY MEETING FOR ALL NEIGHBORS WITHIN 300 FEET.
AND THEY WOULD NEED TO NOTICE THAT AT LEAST 15 DAYS PRIOR TO HOSTING AND HOST THAT PRIOR TO COMING TO THE COMMISSION.
THAT WOULD BE A TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO GO TO THAT APPLICANT AND RAISE CONCERNS, ISSUES, AND PROBLEMS. AND IT ALSO GIVES A PERIOD OF TIME FOR THE APPLICANT TO THEN COME AND LET US KNOW HOW THEY ATTEND TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES IF THEY ARE ABLE TO BE ADDRESSED.
IF NOT, THEN THEY NEED TO KNOW WHY THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO BE ADDRESSED, IF IT'S SOMETHING UNREASONABLE OR JUST NOT POSSIBLE WHATSOEVER.
UM, WITH THIS, THERE WOULD BE A WAIVER CLAUSE FOR IMPRACTICAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
UM, I THINK YOU PROBABLY JUST SAW AN ITEM TONIGHT THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHERE IT'S SURROUNDED BY LAND THAT IS OWNED BY THE SAME LANDOWNER, STATE, LAND, AND FEDERAL LAND.
UM, SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU, YOU COULD APPLY A WAIVER WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THERE IS NO ONE, NO REAL PERSON WITHIN 300 FEET, JUST OTHER AGENCIES.
UM, OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES CAN BE TAKEN IN.
SAY THEY ONLY HAVE A NEIGHBOR OR TWO, AND THEIR NEIGHBORS WRITE 'EM A LETTER AND THEY SAY, WE'RE GOOD WITH THIS, AND THEY COULD APPLY FOR A WAIVER WITH THAT EVIDENCE.
WE'VE PROPOSED THAT THIS BE FOR ANY ITEM THAT COMES IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
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UH, BECAUSE IF IT COMES IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION, IT'S GUARANTEED TO HAVE A HEARING AND TYPICALLY IT FOLLOWS THROUGH TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.BUT THERE ARE A FEW PROCESSES LIKE TENTATIVE PLATS AS WELL AS, UH, SITE PLAN REVIEW, WHICH SOLELY COME TO THE COMMISSION THAT STILL BRING, UH, A GENERAL INTEREST FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, THAT'S MY QUICKEST SUMMARY I HAVE HERE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THESE CHANGES.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR HIGHER TRANSPARENCY BETWEEN OUR APPLICANTS AND THE PUBLIC ON THESE PROJECTS.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE IF WE CAN START TO FILTER OUT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES BEFORE THEY HIT THE FLOOR FOR THE COMMISSION AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
IF THE COMMISSION HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC FOR ANYONE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED TO THIS? NOBODY.
UH, JUST CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN JUST GET TO THE QUESTIONS, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND NOW, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE ONE CODY.
UM, SO HOW DOES, HOW DOES, UH, LIKE AN, AN, AN AGENDA ITEM LIKE THIS MM-HMM,
AND THEN IF CERTAIN THRESHOLDS ARE HIT, UM, WE HAVE TO DO EXCESSIVE ADVERTISING.
UM, BUT IF STAFF, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WERE TO EVER BE INVOLVED OR REPRESENTING A PROJECT FOR THE COUNTY THAT HAD TO GO TO A HEARING, THEN I GUESS WE'VE SIGNED OURSELVES UP TO DO A COMMUNITY MEETING AT THAT POINT IN TIME AS THE APPLICANT.
UM, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS AGENDA ITEM, YOU DON'T JU JUST IN THE NEWSPAPER WE POST IN THE NEWSPAPER, SOMETIMES THEY'LL REQUIRE THAT YOU DO MAILINGS TO INTERESTED PARTIES THAT GO OUT WITH LIKE BILLS OR OTHERWISE, LIKE THE ASSESSMENT BILLS OR, OR ELECTRICAL BILLS.
UM, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY, I'M NOT GONNA SAY ALWAYS, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING A COMPLETE REWRITE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THAT'S WHEN THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE MORE NOTIFIED.
BUT WE DO NOTIFY, WE POST ON OUR WEBSITE, WE PROVIDE A LINE FOR ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE.
WE'LL REACH OUT IF THERE'S INTERESTED PARTIES OR, OR SOMETHING THAT'S BROUGHT THAT TO OUR ATTENTION TO LET THEM HAVE INPUT AS WELL.
BUT THE, SO THE VERBIAGE WON'T, WON'T FORCE YOU TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SIX COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO DISCUSS THIS COR CORRECT.
THIS WILL ONLY APPLY WHEN THERE'S A PHYSICAL ACTION ON A PROPERTY.
SO WHEN THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ALTERATIONS SPECIFIC TO A PROPERTY, NOT GENERALITIES THAT ARE THERE, UM, THOSE ARE GOVERNED BY OTHER LAWS AND REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
SO, CODY, ADAM, SEVEN EFFECTIVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHALL BE NOTICED IN WRITING OF A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY MEETING NOT LESS THAN 15 DAYS.
THAT'S IS PUT ONTO THE PERSON, NOT NOT OUR STAFF.
THEY NEED TO WRITE THAT LETTER.
UM, WE, WE DO HAVE A SYSTEM WHICH HELPS US FIND THE NEIGHBORS WITHIN 300 FEET AND ABOUT 30 SECONDS.
SO WE'LL PROVIDE THAT TO AID THEM SINCE WE HAVE THE SYSTEM AVAILABLE TO US.
BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY HAVE TO DEVELOP THE LETTER, THEY HAVE TO POST IT, THEY HAVE TO SEND IT, THEY HAVE TO HOST THE MEETING.
WE JUST REVIEW THE LETTER FOR CONTENT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE BEING TRULY TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING FORWARD.
CODY, UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS, DOES, DOES ANYBODY FROM STAFF IN NAVAJO COUNTY EVER ATTEND ANY OF THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS? WE HAVE WHEN WE'VE BEEN DIRECTED TO BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UH, TYPICALLY WE DO NOT ATTEND THESE SO AS TO CREATE A SEPARATION BETWEEN OURSELVES AND THE DEVELOPERS.
UH, WE DON'T WANT ANY, UH, VIEW THAT THERE'S IMPROPRIETY OR NECESSARILY WORKING TOGETHER.
WE ARE REALLY HERE TO REVIEW THESE PROJECTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SAFE FOR THE PUBLIC IF POSSIBLE.
UM, AND IF SO, RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND IF NOT, TO NOT DO THAT.
UH, BUT WE DO LIKE TO CREATE THAT SEPARATION UNLESS REQUESTED OTHERWISE.
SO THERE'S NO REAL WAY OF, OF MEASURING OR, OR, UM, PERCEIVING WHETHER THESE PRE COMMUNITY MEETINGS HAVE ANY IMPACT OVER PEOPLE NOT COMING TO THE HEARING.
AND VOICING THE SAME THINGS AND GETTING THINGS ALL STIRRED UP AGAIN, IT'S REALLY NOT.
AND, AND SO PROBABLY NOT MAKING A DIFFERENCE OTHER THAN TRANSPARENCY BY THEY WILL HAVE TO MAKE A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT THAT EXPLAINS WHAT THEY DID FOR THE MEETING, WHO ATTENDED, WHAT CONCERNS WERE RAISED, AND HOW THEY HAD DEALT WITH THAT.
THAT WILL BE SUPPLIED TO ALL COMMISSIONERS.
SO YOU'LL START TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT'S COME OUT FROM THE PUBLIC.
IS IT GONNA NEGATE ALL OF THAT? NO, BUT IT'LL FILTER IT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT AND ALLOW THESE DEVELOPERS TO REALLY WORK AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THERE.
THEY, THEY WILL HAVE TO GIVE US A SUMMARY AND THIS'LL AT LEAST ADD AN EXTRA STEP OF OUTREACH.
WE, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE INSTANCES HERE IN THE RECENT PAST WHERE PEOPLE HAVE COME UP AND DISPUTED THE COMMUNITY MEETING THE, OR WHAT HAPPENED THERE? YES.
I I CAN THINK OF ONE PARTICULAR ONE STANDING RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE.
AND SO, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CORRECT THAT.
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YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN ALWAYS REQUEST LIKE AN AUDIO RECORDING OR OTHERWISE, MOST OF THESE DEVELOPERS, THEY'VE WORKED LONG ENOUGH IN THE BUSINESS THAT THEY WILL MAKE AN AUDIO RECORDING.I WAS REQUESTED TO GO TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS TWO MONTHS AGO, AND THEY HAD AN AUDIO RECORDING AND SET UP IN FULL SUMMARY IN MINUTES AND OTHERWISE, UM, BUT IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE USUALLY GOING TO, UH, PROVIDE US BACKUP AND EVIDENCE FOR THESE.
THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THOSE ACCUSATIONS ANY MORE THAN YOU WANT TO HEAR THEM.
SEVERAL MONTHS BACK DURING THE SUMMER, WE DID AN ISSUE THAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CHARTER SCHOOL AND THEY BROUGHT IN THE PETITIONS.
AND THERE WAS LITTLE KIDS SIGNED.
IS THERE A MINIMUM AGE THAT CAN, SO THAT YOU CAN RECOGNIZE? I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S NOT A MINIMUM AGE THAT WE CAN RECOGNIZE OR REQUIRE.
UM, TYPICALLY WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE ZONE CHANGES, IT HAS TO BE THE REGISTERED PROPERTY OWNERS, THE ONE WHEN CONSIDERED FOR PETITION PURPOSES, WHICH ONLY AFFECTS THE AMOUNT OF VOTES NEEDED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVAL.
OTHERWISE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEGAL PURVIEW OVER THAT.
WE WILL, THEY WILL NEED TO SEND IT TO THE, THE LEGAL RESIDENTS THAT ARE LISTED THERE AND GO THROUGH THIS.
UM, BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ABILITY TO POTENTIALLY PREVENT THAT AT ALL.
THE ONLY QUESTION I REALLY HAVE IS KIND OF LIKE THE POLICING OF THAT, WHICH WOULD BE, I'M ASSUMING, ON STAFF TO MAKE SURE LIKE THAT THE MEETING HAPPENED.
'CAUSE I, I HAD A, AN ITEM THAT WE BROUGHT HERE AND JUST KIND OF THINKING OF HOW THAT WOULD'VE HAVE GONE IS I PROBABLY WOULD'VE MAILED IT TO LESS THAN 10 PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY SMALL AND YES, THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN OPENED IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
AND, AND THEY WILL GET THEIR FEEDBACK.
WE REQUIRE EVIDENCE THAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH AND POSTED THESE, UM, EVIDENCE OF WHAT THEY'VE SENT, EVIDENCE OF WHAT'S FOLLOWED THROUGH.
UM, IF THEY WERE BEING DISHONEST, IT, IT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO CATCH RELATIVELY SOON.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE THEM GO BACK AND ACTUALLY HOST THAT MEETING AND, AND DETAIL THE REPORTS AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
ESSENTIALLY, IT'S JUST ANOTHER STEP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HEARD ABOUT IT.
AND A ABSOLUTELY, WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR BOYS HAVE THEIR CONCERNS HEARD AND TO NOT HAVE THE COMMISSION NECESSARILY HAVE TO THINK ON THE FLY WITH ANY ISSUES THAT ARE RAISED SUDDENLY, UM, TO TRY TO FILTER SOME OF THOSE AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS PRIOR TO GETTING TO THE COMMISSION HERE.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I REALIZE THAT 300 FEET IN THE COUNTY IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN 300 FEET IN A INCORPORATED AREA.
THIS FOLLOWS, THE REASON WE WENT WITH THE 300 FEET IS WHEN WE GO THROUGH WITH STATE LAW, IT REQUIRES 300 FEET.
ALMOST NOBODY WANTS TO EVER EXCEED THAT.
AND THEY'LL CITE THE STATE LAW FOR THIS.
AND SO WE'D LIKE TO FOLLOW BECAUSE WE WILL FOLLOW UP AND WE STILL DO NOTIFY FOR THE HEARINGS AND ALLOW FOR COMMENTS TO COME TO OURSELVES AS WELL.
UM, SO WE WANT TO HAVE THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE BEING NOTIFIED.
UM, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COMMENT OR SHOW UP IF YOU'RE FROM OUTSIDE OF THAT DISTANCE, BUT THAT IS WHAT'S CONSIDERED AN AFFECTED PARTY BY THE STATE.
IF SOMETHING'S COME BEFORE US AND BEEN APPROVED, UM, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SITUATION, NOT A ZONE CHANGE, AND, AND IT, IT'S GONE THROUGH THE HEARING PROCESS YES.
IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, AND THEN THAT PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS AND THAT THAT PERSON WHO BUYS IT, IF THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT SAME PROJECT, THEY STILL NEED TO COME BACK BEFORE US BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT APPLICANT.
SO THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU POTENTIALLY, DEPENDING ON THE CONDITIONS OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND AS FAR AS WHETHER A COMMUNITY MEETING WOULD NEED TO BE HELD, THAT IS GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT THEY HELD THEIR PREVIOUS COMMUNITY MEETING FOR.
SO IF YOU HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING FOR A ZONE CHANGE WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE WOULD NOT HAVE YOU DO BACK-TO-BACK MEETINGS FOR THAT.
YOU COULD COMBINE THOSE INTO ONE.
AND IF YOU CAME BACK AT A LATER DATE AND HAD ALREADY NOTICED THOSE, THEY COULD APPLY FOR A WAIVER TO THAT MEETING FOR CONSIDERATION THAT THEY HAD PROPERLY NOTIFIED.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'LL BE GRANTED DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT IT COULD BE REVIEWED.
BUT IF THERE'D NEVER BEEN A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD ON THAT PROPERTY, 'CAUSE WE WEREN'T REQUIRING IT BACK THEN YES.
AND THE PROPERTY CHANGED HANDS AND THAT NEW PURCHASER WOULD NEED TO, YES.
THEY, THEY WOULD NEED TO COME THROUGH IT AND HOST THIS MEETING AND, AND HAVE THAT FEEDBACK AND OUTREACH BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, CODY, WHAT'S, HOW MUCH DOES THIS INCREASE YOUR WORKLOAD? IT SHOULD BE MINIMAL ON STAFF.
UH, A LOT OF THIS WE ALREADY WORK WITH WHEN IT COMES TO ZONE CHANGES OR MAJOR PROJECTS.
UM, SO WE CURRENTLY RECOMMEND THAT ALL APPLICANTS DO THIS.
WE CAN ONLY REQUIRE IT FOR ZONE CHANGES.
UM, SO WE ALREADY RECOMMEND AND DO WORK WITH APPLICANTS ON SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES TO THESE.
UH, I DON'T EXPECT A, A VERY LARGE ADVERSE EFFECT FOR OUR STAFF WITH THIS.
UM, MORE OR LESS WE'RE, WE'RE REVIEWING DOCUMENTS THAT WERE ALREADY BEING REVIEWED AND WE'RE JUST GETTING A GREATER SUMMARY THAT HELPS US GO THROUGH AND, UH, BREAK DOWN THE CONCERNS THAT ARE HERE.
IT'LL MAYBE ADD A FEW MINUTES OF READING AN ANALYSIS, BUT IT'LL
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BE, UM, EXPONENTIALLY HELPFUL.WHEN IT COMES TO WRITING OUR STAFF.
UM, IT'LL BE HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY FOR WRITING STAFF REPORTS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE FROM THE PUBLIC AND SEE IF WE CAN MITIGATE THOSE WITH CONDITIONS OR HAVE THE APPLICANT MITIGATE IT WITH CHANGES TO THEIR PROJECT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT THE NAVAJO COUNTY PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 29 OF THE NAVAJO COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE TO THE NAVAJO COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, SECOND WITH BY OTHER OR, UH, COMMISSIONER SMITH.
AND, UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK REGARDING THAT MOTION? OKAY.
SOUNDS LIKE IT PASSED, UH, UNANIMOUSLY.
[8. TXT-A 24-003 AMENDMENT TO SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS: Consideration of a text amendment to Subdivision Regulations and Requirements, Sections 8.1 and 8.3, regarding street design and sanitary sewage disposal.]
IT'LL BE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, TXTA 2 4 0 0 3.AMENDMENT TO SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS CONSIDERATION OF A TEXT AMENDMENT TO SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
SECTION 8.1, 8.3 REGARDING STREET'S DESIGN AND SANITARY SEWAGE DISPOSAL.
OH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOWED UP PROPERLY.
I PROBABLY FORGOT TO PUT THAT IN MY APOLOGY.
IF YOU'RE TIRED OF ME, I, I APOLOGIZE.
BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UM, AGAIN, ON THIS ONE, I, I'M GONNA SUMMARIZE, I WILL GIVE SOME BACKGROUND TO THE, THIS ITEM HERE.
UM, HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE HELPFUL TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
IT WAS WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL.
UM, DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK WE JUST INITIATED THIS OUT OF NOWHERE.
UM, SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW WOULD BE REQUIRING PAVED ROADS FOR SUBDIVISIONS WHERE, UH, THERE ARE FIVE ACRE OR SMALLER PARCELS, ANY AMOUNT OF PARCELS THAT HIT THAT THRESHOLD.
AND ALLOWING FOR UNPAVED ROADS WHEN ALL PARCELS ARE GREATER THAN FIVE ACRES IN SIZE.
AND I WILL GIVE BACKGROUND TO THIS, IF NOT JUST GONNA DROP THAT ONE HERE.
IT'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THE, THE ITEMS HERE.
AND THEN REQUIRING SEWERS OR SEWER WHERE SUBDIVISIONS HAVE ANY PARCELS THAT ARE ONE ACRE OR SMALLER IN SIZE.
AND THEN ALLOWING SEPTIC WHEN ALL PARCELS ARE GREATER THAN ONE ACRE IN SIZE.
SO AS FAR AS IT GOES FOR THE ROADS, UM, THE REALITY OF OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS RIGHT NOW IS THERE'S NO PROVISIONS FROM PAVED ROADS.
THERE'S NO STANDARD OR OTHERWISE THAT THAT COMES THROUGH THAT, BUT THERE'S NO PROVISION TO, TO CREATE A SIZE THRESHOLD.
UM, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE SUBDIVISIONS WHERE IF YOUR PARCELS ARE ABOVE A CERTAIN SIZE, SHOULD A, SHOULD A PAVED ROAD REALLY BE REQUIRED IF SOMEONE IS LOOKING FOR A, A RURAL SETTING IN FIELD.
UM, SO WITH THAT, THEN WE STARTED TO LOOK FOR WHAT'S A THRESHOLD.
UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA JUST MAKE THAT UP AND SAY WE LIKE FOUR ACRES.
UM, SO WE WENT BACK, DID SOME RESEARCH ON THIS, AND WHAT WE COULD FIND IS THE MOST COMMON THRESHOLD WITHIN THE STATE OF ARIZONA, ESPECIALLY FOR SIMILAR COUNTIES TO OURSELVES, IS REALLY AT THAT FIVE ACRE MARK.
THEY SAY, ONCE YOU'RE ABOVE THAT FIVE ACRES, THIS TRULY IS LIKE A, A REALLY RURAL SUBDIVISION.
UM, YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF ALLOWANCE FOR AN UNPAVED ROAD.
WHEN YOU'RE BELOW THAT FIVE ACRES, YOU SHOULD REALLY HAVE THE PAVED STANDARDS.
THOSE VARY BASED ON THE, THE SIZE AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING THROUGH THE TRAFFIC AS FAR AS WHAT LEVEL THAT NEEDS TO BE PAVED.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'VE COME TO THE, THE FIVE ACRE THRESHOLD.
AND THAT'S WHAT KIND OF BROUGHT THIS UP WHEN IT COMES TO THE, THE SEWER ON THE ONE ACRE OR FEWER AND THE SEPTIC ON ONE ACRE OR GREATER.
UM, ONE, WE'VE SEEN ISSUES IN THE COUNTY.
UH, AND JUST TO CLARIFY FOR BOTH OF THOSE, THIS ONLY APPLIES FOR PLATTED SUBDIVISIONS.
SO WHERE SIX ACRES OR OR SIX PARCELS ARE GREATER ARE BEING SPLIT COMING IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT FOR MINOR LAND DIVISIONS OR OTHERWISE, JUST TO NOTE.
UM, BUT WE'VE SEEN SUBDIVISIONS WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES AND THEY START TO GET WELL UNDER AN ACRE, AND THEY STATE THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH AND PUT IN THESE SEPTICS.
YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, THEY'LL GO THROUGH AND, AND DEAL WITH THE TESTS, BUT THEN WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE HOUSE OR OTHERWISE, THEY START TO RUN INTO ISSUES WITH THESE.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INSTANCES WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN FAILURES OF SEPTICS.
UM, SO WE WERE LOOKING AT, WE CAN'T PREVENT ALL OF THOSE REGARDLESS.
IT'S STILL GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO SITE CONDITIONS.
WHERE SHOULD THIS LIE? THE ONE ACRE TENDED TO BE MORE COMMON WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN.
WE'VE COMPARED ALL ACROSS THE STATE FOR THIS, THE ONE ACRE AND BELOW VERSUS ABOVE.
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OF A DEQ REQUIREMENTS OR GUIDELINES THAT COME THROUGH FOR RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHERE SEPTIC SHOULD BE.ONE OF THOSE IS FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IF A PARCEL IS UNDER AN ACRE, IT SHOULD BE ON SEWER IF YOU HAVE A WATER SYSTEM OR OTHERWISE THERE.
UM, SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF TAKE OUT THE, THE CONFUSION THERE AND GO, IF A DEQ IS REALLY RECOMMENDING UNDER THAT ACRE, WE SHOULD LOOK FOR SEWER.
AND WE HAVE SEEN INSTANCES OF ISSUES THERE.
WE DON'T WANT TO PASS THIS ON TO THE PUBLIC THAT'S PURCHASING A PROPERTY.
THEY ASSUME THEY'RE GOOD WITH WHAT THEY HAVE, AND THEN ONCE THEY'VE GONE FORWARD AND DONE THAT, THEY END UP HAVING ISSUES WITH THE SEPTIC, HAVE TO GET AN ALTERNATIVE OR OTHERWISE, WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS BE THE DEVELOPERS GOING THROUGH AND, AND TRULY MAKING VIABLE PROPERTIES FOR SEPTIC AND IF NOT VIABLE, THEN TO GO WITH THE SEWER.
UM, THAT'S MY BRIEF LONG RUNDOWN.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU MIGHT HAVE THEM.
UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT AND I'M, I'M SURE I'LL HAVE QUESTIONS
LET'S OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANY IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED SEE NONE.
WE WILL CLOSE IT TO THE PUBLIC AND OPEN IT TO, UH, FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
I CODY, SO ON THE, WHEN I READ THROUGH THAT THE OTHER DAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU HAD 40 ACRES, YOU COULD DO 40 LOTS, BUT WITH THE ROADS YOU'D BE LESS THAN ONE ACRE IS SO ARE YOU TALKING THE ACTUAL LOT ONCE IT'S YES.
ONCE IT'S, THE ROADS ARE TAKEN OUT AND EASEMENTS ARE GONE.
SO IT WOULD BE THE ACTUAL LOT SIZE, NOT THE DENSITY OF DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.
SO IT'D BE ALL PARCELS AT THE LOT SIZE THEMSELVES.
SO THE LOT IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE ONE ACRE.
'CAUSE I'M THE SEPTIC GUY AND I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S LOTS OF PLACES WHERE EVEN ONE ACRE IT'S A PROBLEM.
AND I ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE TO DO THE, THE UH, UH, RESERVE AREA WITH IT.
I KNEW YOU'D HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME BEING THE SEPTIC GUY THERE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND ENOUGH OF SOME OF THE SUBDIVISION STUFF TO EVEN HAVE A CONVERSATION, BUT WHAT IF YOU LIVE ON 40 ACRES AND YOU WANT TO HAVE A HOUSE ON THE NORTH END OF IT AND A HOUSE ON THE SOUTH END OF IT, A THOUSAND FEET APART? MM-HMM.
AND YOU WANT TO HAVE A PAVED, WELL YOU WANT TO HAVE A GOOD MAINTAINED ROAD THAT GOES TO THE FURTHEST RESIDENCE VERSUS THE NEAREST ONE TO GO TO BOTH OF THEM ACTUALLY.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PAVED TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PAVED, RIGHT? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
SO THIS WILL ONLY APPLY TO LIKE FORMAL SUBDIVISIONS, SIX OR GREATER LOTS.
LIKE THE, YOU'RE TALKING THE, THE 50, A HUNDRED UNITS FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY NOT GONNA REGULATE HOW THEY, THEY PUT IN THEIR ROADS, INTERIOR TO THEIR PROPERTY OR OTHERWISE.
WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN DOING THAT TO, I MIS I MISREAD THAT.
SO ANY OF ANY OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE REAL ESTATE, PUBLIC REPORT PROCESS AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THAT'S AN EASY WAY TO REMEMBER THAT.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A WHOLE NOTHER LAYER OUT THERE AT THE STATE LEVEL OF, OF DOING THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, AND THAT, THAT WILL HELP CLARIFY THAT.
SO IN HEBER THERE'S NO SEWER AND I'M ASSUMING SEVERAL OTHER PLACES, YOU KNOW, CLAY SPRINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IF SOMEONE WANTED TO DO A SUBDIVISION THERE, HOW ARE THEY GONNA DO IT WITHOUT SEWER? SO THEY WOULD THEN EITHER NEED TO LOOK AT DOING LARGER LOTS SO THAT THEY COULD ACCOMMODATE FOR THE SEPTIC.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WITH THE PROPERTY THAT'S LEFT, THEY, THE ZONING ALREADY TYPICALLY ACCOMMODATES FOR LARGER LOTS IF YOU'RE GONNA DO A SUBDIVISION, UM, 'CAUSE IT, IT'S USUALLY A GENERAL, WHICH MEANS THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND REZONE IT AND DO COMPARATIVE ZONING TO WHAT REMAINS.
UM, BUT IF THEY WERE TO TRY TO SET IT UP AND GO UNDER AN ACRE WITHIN THERE, UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO THEN LOOK AT DOING THEIR OWN PACKAGE PLANT OR FINDING SOME SEWER CONNECTION.
UM, SO THAT BRINGS INTO CONSIDERATION WHETHER THEY'D LIKE TO GO ABOVE THAT ACRE OR UNDER THAT ACRE PER PER PROPERTY.
THEY BASE ALL THAT ON, ON NITROGEN LOADING.
AND, AND IT'S, YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN MITIGATE THE NITROGEN LOADING BY, BY SOME CERTAIN TYPES OF AEROBIC OR TEXTILE FILTER TREATMENT.
SO YOU COULD PUT A PACKAGE SYSTEM IN AND STILL HAVE BASICALLY A SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION OR DO INDIVIDUAL ONES.
HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU GUYS FOUND THIS TO BE A BIG PROBLEM? BECAUSE THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE, AND I'M KIND OF MORE OF THE DEVELOPER BUILDER, IS THIS ADDS A LOT OF COST TO LOTS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, YOUR LAND COST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE SMALLER LOTS, NOW YOUR COST PER LOT IS GONNA BE A LOT MORE PLUS THE PAVED ROADS.
AND SO IN A, IN A TIME RIGHT NOW WHERE SUPPOSEDLY HOUSING'S VERY LOW, VERY EXPENSIVE, THIS JUST
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MAKES IT EVEN THAT MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE.AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS DO WE SEE THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS OR IS IT JUST CLEANING THINGS UP? IT, IT, IT CAN BE A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED THAT THIS HASN'T COME OUT OF NOWHERE AS FAR AS GOING FORWARD.
SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AND, AND WE HAVE OUR ZONING MAPS FOR THIS.
TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROPERTIES THAT CAN BE AT THOSE DENSITIES THAT ARE LOWER THAN AN ACRE, THEY ARE GOING TO BE ADJACENT TO COMMUNITIES LIKE SHOW LOW PINETOP, LAKESIDE, SNOWFLAKE, TAYLOR, WHERE THERE MAY BE THAT AVAILABILITY FOR, FOR SEWER CONNECTIONS TO GO THROUGH ON THIS OR TYPICALLY IS THAT AVAILABILITY.
SO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LOWER DENSITY, IT'S THERE.
THIS, IT'S NEITHER MEANT TO ENCOURAGE NOR DISCOURAGE, BUT MAKE DEVELOPERS THINK IF THEY'RE IN A VERY RURAL AREA AND TRYING TO DO VERY CONDENSED POPULATIONS TO HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACTUALLY SERVICE THE COMMUNITY THAT'S THERE, UH, AND BE TRANSPARENT THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH AND PROPOSED WILL WORK.
UM, OTHERWISE YOU CAN RUN INTO ISSUES WHERE THAT BUCK IS LATER PASSED ON TO A HOMEOWNER WHO'S ALREADY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND LOOKING TO BUILD.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN TAKE YOU TO 10 SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE PLATTED PRIOR TO THESE RULES.
SIXTIES, SEVENTIES, AND IT'S A PROBLEM.
THE SEPTIC, WELL, THEY DON'T WORK.
YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR TODAY'S TO MEET, TO MEET THE RULES FOR TODAY.
YOU, THERE'S QUITE A FEW IN HEBER.
UH, WHITE MOUNTAIN LAKE IS A BIG AREA.
THERE'S A LOT OF OLD SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME THAT DIDN'T HAVE THESE RULES IN PLACE.
SO HOW ARE THEY GONNA BE ABLE TO CREATE A SEWER SYSTEM? I KNOW YOU HAD RECOMMENDED THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS, BUT LIKE, THERE'S NO SEWER, LIKE UNDERGROUND FACILITY.
SO HOW DO, HOW DO THEY DO IT? WE HAVE TO DO, DO YOU MAKE ONE? THEY JUST BUILT ONE.
YOU CAN MAKE LIKE SMALL ONES UHHUH FOR JUST LIKE THEY, THEY 40 LOTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THIS, THIS IS NOT GONNA APPLY TO ANY SUBDIVISION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PLATTED IN NAVAJO COUNTY.
THIS WILL ONLY APPLY FOR NEW SUBMITTALS.
SO THAT WE CAN FIX THOSE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE FOR THOSE THAT EXIST.
UM, LIKE COMMISSIONER MUDDER HAS STATED THERE, THERE ARE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS.
WHAT WE HEAR A LOT OF TIMES IS SOMEONE WILL COMBINE TWO OR THREE LOTS AND THEN HAVE THE SPACE.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU GO AND BUY ONE LOT AND THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE BUILDING YOUR DREAM HOME AND THEN HAVE TO BUY TWO MORE FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR, UM, IT CAN BE KINDA KIND OF SHOCKING.
AND WE'D LIKE TO PREVENT THAT FOR ANY FUTURE SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE HAVE.
I REMEMBER YEARS AGO WE HAD AN ISSUE IN SHOW LOW, AND YOU MIGHT REMEMBER IT IN FOND BROOK AREA.
AND, UH, THE SEWAGE WAS JUST ON THE GROUND AND WE INCORPORATED THEM, BUT THEY HAD TO FORM THEIR OWN SANITATION DISTRICT AND ROAD DISTRICT TO BRING IT UP TO CITY STANDARDS TO BE ABLE TO TIE INTO THE CITY SEWER.
BUT IT, IT WAS A BIG ISSUE IN FE BROOK WITH OPEN SEWAGE LAYING ON THE GROUND.
'CAUSE NOTHING WOULD PERK SOAK IN IF, IF SMALL AREA WITH A LOT OF, UH, LOTS ON IT.
AND IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE WHETHER YOU HAVE A, WHETHER YOU HAVE A, A WATER SYSTEM THAT SERVES ALL THESE LOTS ALSO BECAUSE OF THE, THE RULES.
THERE'S SOME LOTS OUT HERE OUT EAST OF SNOW.
WELL, OKAY, OUT HERE,
THERE'S NO METERED WATER, COMMUNITY WATER.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE 50 FOOT IN FROM EACH SIDE.
YOU HAVE NO, THE, THE, IT MEETS IN THE MIDDLE.
YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO, YOU COULD NEVER DO IT WITHOUT TWO LOTS AND MEET THE RULE.
BUT THOSE, THAT, AGAIN, THAT SUBDIVISION WAS PLATTED IN THE SIXTIES OR SEVENTIES, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM RIGHT NOW.
SO SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, MOST OF THESE THINGS DON'T SELL OUT NOW, BUT LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD, SOME GUY BUYS ONE OF THOSE LOTS THERE.
I, THEY CALL ME ALL THE TIME, SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE YOU, YOU CANNOT PHYSICALLY DO IT WITH MEETING THE RULES TODAY.
SO I SEE WHAT THIS IS TRYING TO DO.
YOU GOTTA CLEAN THAT UP SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT TROUBLE 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
I'M GLAD WE HAVE A SEPTIC, UH, ON THE COMMISSION.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MOODY.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE UM, DOES THIS GO TO BOARD SU? YES.
RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, CHANGING THE TEXT ON A 24 DASH 0 0 3 AMENDMENT TO SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS,
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UH, AS PRESENTED.DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
UH, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS REGARDING THAT MOTION? ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE TO A VOTE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THAT ONE PASSES AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS AND DIRECTIONS TO STAFF.
IS THAT A YES? FEEDBACK? ANYTHING? NOTHING.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS JUST COMMENTS OR ANY, UH, DIRECTIONS REGARDING STAFF OR QUESTIONS? NONE.
[10. REPORT FROM STAFF TO THE COMMISSION:]
UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10, WHICH IS REPORT FROM STAFF TO THE COMMISSION.ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND BEING HERE TONIGHT.
UM, TONIGHT WAS OUR FIRST TIME USING THE, THE NEW WEBCASTING SYSTEM THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ALSO USES.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO CHECK OUT THIS MEETING AFTERWARDS, IT SHOULD BE ON OUR COUNTY WEBSITE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.
IT IS SOMEWHAT AI BASED, SO I CAN'T GUARANTEE IT'S PERFECT, BUT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BREAK DOWN WHERE YOU CAN SEE DIFFERENT, UH, ITEMS THROUGH THE COMMISSION CLICKING THROUGH A LIST.
SO IT MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER TO, TO FIND WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING BACK TO.
SO JUST WANTED TO NOTIFY YOU OF THAT SINCE THAT IS A NEW ITEM.
UM, WE CURRENTLY DO HAVE SOME ITEMS FOR FEBRUARY AND WE'LL NOTIFY THE COMMISSIONERS AS AND WHEN, UM, THOSE ARE READY AND GET YOU SOME COPIES TO REVIEW.
UH, SHOULD BE A PRETTY SIMILAR AGENDA TO TONIGHT'S THOUGH, UM, LIKE ONE OR TWO ITEMS AND THEN A FEW FROM STAFF.
SO APPRECIATE ALL YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
I'LL GO WATCH THE VIDEO AND CRITIQUE MYSELF.
UM, DO WE HAVE THE VOTE TO ADJOURN? NO, JUST ADJOURN.
I'LL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AND, AND SEE YOU GUYS NEXT MONTH.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION.
DO YOU HAVE TO DO A MOTION AGENDA? NO, WE USED TO FOR A LONG TIME, BUT WE QUIT DOING.